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Fella, you don’t kow what you’re talking about. Women’s golf is just as interesting and enjoyable to watch as the mens. Some of the women are as GOOd as the men too,. You talk as tho the men pros neve shank a shot, or scull out of a trap, or go deep in the woods etc., etc., etc.
lol …. another informed opinion. for you the womens golf may provide entertainment but don’t for a second delude yourself into thinking any of the women are as good as the men. put them on the same courses under the same conditions and i’ll guarantee on the pga tour or even the buy.com tour even the best women would not make a cut all year. and of course your right the men also have the same mishits. it’s only that in watching one day of womens golf i saw the equivalent number as i’ve seen watching say the last 10 years or so of mens golf. brett
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And Laura Davies shanked her way to 19-under!
but laura was the exception. watching the field play up the 289m first. you got to see the spectrum of mishits. some of those girls were not shanking their way to 19 under, in fact most weren’t breaking par on a 5500m par 73 colf course. it was my first ever impression of womens golf and in my opinion i found the quality of golf exhibited to be quite poor with the obvious exception of webb and a couple of others. though even their scores in retrospect were nothing special. there were 5 par 5’s out on the course and the longest one was only just over 400m. the shortest at 369m or so. hell thats not even a particualrly long par 4 which webb confirmed by hitting wedge into it, after a 270m drive. which again on the surface sounds impressive but after watching webb hit two drives on that length on 7&8 the run on the fairway there probably accounted for about 150m or so of the total distance, so obviously the fairways were substantially tricked up. and just a side note from the other post on this which i forgot to reply to before shutting down. peter thompson *is* saying that webb is the best golfer male or female on the planet including tiger woods. i was a little shocked to see such rubbish attributed to him in mondays paper but the actual interview was relayed on sports tonight and the quote in the media was nearly word for word what was relayed in the print media including the direct reference to tiger. he was also babbling about her swing being the best in the world. just look at a few from the pga tour including elk, els, woods, norman et al and webb isn’t even mechanically in the same league or even some of the lesser players like brian watts there is no comparison. if you want to look at near mechanical perfection baddely is about the best athletic swing i’ve seen in a very long time. brett
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Fella, you don’t kow what you’re talking about. Women’s golf is just as interesting and enjoyable to watch as the mens. Some of the women are as GOOd as the men too,. You talk as tho the men pros neve shank a shot, or scull out of a trap, or go deep in the woods etc., etc., etc. Get real
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and then you saw allenby sink the next chip so effectively he got down in two anyway.
And Laura Davies shanked her way to 19-under! BTW, Peter Senior holed his second bunker shot too! Cheers Colin Wilson Current Australian handicap: 9.6 RSG Roll Call: http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/wilsonc.htm Trentham Golf Club: http://publishing.kyneton.net.au/trentham
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Golf Channel in the U.S. televised the Women’s OZ Open and to tell you the truth, I really enjoyed watching Karrie Webb, Rachel and Luara play golf. It turned out to be a good tournament and after Karrie won the tournament, I was really impressed how well she can play and how mentally tough she is. Peeps
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Interesting figures from last weekend, where two golf events were held and televised to live-to-air on Australian TV. These were the Australian Women’s Open (main drawcards Karrie Webb, Laura Davies, Rachel Hetherington) and the Australasian Tour’s Canon Challenge (no real main drawcard … just the usual Aussie pros minus the big names who have all returned to the USA). The Women’s Open was broadcast on Channel 7 (with Jack Newton and Ian Baker-Finch commentating, both ironically Australian PGA board members) and rated a maximum of 16 on the Sunday afternoon. The Canon Challenge was broadcast on Channel 10, and rated about 8. The crowd figures contradicted the TV, where the Sunday crowd for the Canon Challenge in Sydney was twice that of the Women’s Masters in Melbourne, most of whom were following one player. Says something about drawcards. I can see why US television features Tiger so prominently. Interestingly, the boot might be on the other foot next weekend. Channel 10 has the rights to the Australian Ladies Masters where Webb, Davies and Hetherington, plus about 30 US female pros (the event is joint USPGA co-sanctioned), will battle it out for a quite decent US$830,000 in prize money. If Webb repeats her 26-under record breaking win of last year (she is odds-on favourite again), she has further claim to usurping Tiger Woods as the "world’s most dominant golfer". Cheers Colin Wilson Current Australian handicap: 9.5 RSG Roll Call: http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/wilsonc.htm Trentham Golf Club: http://publishing.kyneton.net.au/trentham
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but thompson is saying she is the best player on the planet male or female.
I don’t think Thomson said that. He said she was "Australia’s best-ever golfer". And I’m pretty sure he meant that in the relative sense … in terms of how dominant she is, including the future, and how much she’s achieved compared to the all others. Personally I think she’s still got a way to go to match Norman *comparatively* (fewer international victories by far), but she’s achieved more at 25 on the USLPGA than Norman had on the USPGA at the same age, and is pretty close to Woods (again *comparatively*). Of course if you put her in the World Matchplay against Woods on the same length course, she’d probably lose 10 & 8. Again, that’s not the issue. Thomson also said Webb had the "best swing", which I think he meant in terms of mechanics. While that’s partly subjective, he’s not far off the mark IMHO. Cheers Colin Wilson Current Australian handicap: 9.6 RSG Roll Call: http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/wilsonc.htm Trentham Golf Club: http://publishing.kyneton.net.au/trentham
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But it’s all relative isn’t it? So women’s golf might not match the actual standard of men’s golf (I don’t need a Bobby Rigg-type challenge to have it proven to me), but that doesn’t mean Webb isn’t very dominant.
yes but thats the point it is relative. i totally agree that webb is far and away the most dominant female golfer at the moment. but thompson is saying she is the best player on the planet male or female. is this is simply rubbish. her record is approximately on par with woods but woods is playing in a vastly deeper talent pool. hence all comments that compare the two are relatively meaningless. Just as, comparatively, in women’s golf Webb’s the best. Her price for the Aus. Masters (with half the USLPGA field in it) is 5/4. That’s a lower price than you could ever get on Woods.
not really. you drop him into your local pro am which has about the same depth of talent as the lpga and you’ll get about the same odds. it kind of makes my point though. webb gets short odds because the competition is so bad at the moment as opposed to webb being so much better than them. At the moment she’s as dominant in women’s golf as Tiger Woods is in men’s golf. That’s the only comparison that needs to be made. Any argument about actual skill level, or equal pay, no matter the justification, doesn’t need to come into it.
no but thats not the point which is being made by thompson in both the print media and on the television. he is making these absurd comparisons. I also don’t think, despite her attractive looks, Cherie Byrnes was the real drawcard when ratings came into account.
no but you got the point. to a lot of people watching the actual golf was probably a secondary consideration. BTW, in the last two men’s tournaments I’ve seen Robert Allenby stub a chip and Peter Senior skull a bunker shot from one side of the green to the other.
and then you saw allenby sink the next chip so effectively he got down in two anyway. brett
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c’mon colin. you don’t really believe this tripe that peter thompson is serving up do you??
But it’s all relative isn’t it? So women’s golf might not match the actual standard of men’s golf (I don’t need a Bobby Rigg-type challenge to have it proven to me), but that doesn’t mean Webb isn’t very dominant. Next you’ll be telling me Dawn Fraser was a crap swimmer because she was five seconds behind Wenden. That’s about as good an argument as saying a pacer is inferior because it runs slower than a racehorse ( … they’re both horses). So the 400th-ranked men’s tennis player could whip Martina Hingis or Lindsay Davenport. That’s not the point. Comparatively (with other women) they’re the best. Just as, comparatively, in women’s golf Webb’s the best. Her price for the Aus. Masters (with half the USLPGA field in it) is 5/4. That’s a lower price than you could ever get on Woods. At the moment she’s as dominant in women’s golf as Tiger Woods is in men’s golf. That’s the only comparison that needs to be made. Any argument about actual skill level, or equal pay, no matter the justification, doesn’t need to come into it. I also don’t think, despite her attractive looks, Cherie Byrnes was the real drawcard when ratings came into account. BTW, in the last two men’s tournaments I’ve seen Robert Allenby stub a chip and Peter Senior skull a bunker shot from one side of the green to the other. Cheers Colin Wilson Current Australian handicap: 9.6 RSG Roll Call: http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/wilsonc.htm Trentham Golf Club: http://publishing.kyneton.net.au/trentham
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If Webb repeats her 26-under record breaking win of last year (she is odds-on favourite again), she has further claim to usurping Tiger Woods as the "world’s most dominant golfer".
c’mon colin. you don’t really believe this tripe that peter thompson is serving up do you?? last weekend with the australian womens open was the first time i’d ever really sat down and watched womens golf, and only then because i was waiting around until 2 for the telecast of the canon to begin. it’s easy to see why webb wins week in and week out. the competition is on the whole limited to 3 or maybe 4 other women who on any given week are capable of winning. the lack of depth of talent shocked the hell out of me. i got to see it all. duffed chips, short putts that didn’t come close to catching any part of the cup, duffed drives. laura davies hitting a couple of straight right shanks …. pretty pathetic standard really. scoring was limited to birdies on 370-80m par 5’s which with the roll on the fairways players were hitting wedges into. hardly riveting stuff. and then the interest on the group was in cherie brynes who finished what 20 shots off the pace?? it’s easy to see why rating were higher than the mens event. probably the same reason baywatch is ‘the most popular show in the world’ 
i think the thing which really suprises me was the fact that the women are complaining they aren’t paid as much as the men. if every event was like the last i’m actually suprised they get paid anything at all. compare webbs feats to those of woods where in any given week you’d have to assume that at least half the field is capable of winning. and well there really is no comparison. though thompson also says webbs swing is the best in golf, it seems he loses credibility every time he opens his mouth. brett
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Interesting figures from last weekend, where two golf events were held and televised to live-to-air on Australian TV. These were the Australian Women’s Open (main drawcards Karrie Webb, Laura Davies, Rachel Hetherington) and the Australasian Tour’s Canon Challenge (no real main drawcard … just the usual Aussie pros minus the big names who have all returned to the USA). The Women’s Open was broadcast on Channel 7 (with Jack Newton and Ian Baker-Finch commentating, both ironically Australian PGA board members) and rated a maximum of 16 on the Sunday afternoon. The Canon Challenge was broadcast on Channel 10, and rated about 8. The crowd figures contradicted the TV, where the Sunday crowd for the Canon Challenge in Sydney was twice that of the Women’s Masters in Melbourne, most of whom were following one player. Says something about drawcards. I can see why US television features Tiger so prominently. Interestingly, the boot might be on the other foot next weekend. Channel 10 has the rights to the Australian Ladies Masters where Webb, Davies and Hetherington, plus about 30 US female pros (the event is joint USPGA co-sanctioned), will battle it out for a quite decent US$830,000 in prize money. If Webb repeats her 26-under record breaking win of last year (she is odds-on favourite again), she has further claim to usurping Tiger Woods as the "world’s most dominant golfer". Cheers Colin Wilson Current Australian handicap: 9.5 RSG Roll Call: http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/wilsonc.htm Trentham Golf Club: http://publishing.kyneton.net.au/trentham