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I agree with what you are saying. I think that this swing thought is not for beginners. I too tend to overuse my hips which as you say results in a push slice, severe hook or fat shot. I tend to push my wedges way out to the right and often hit my irons slightly fat. By focusing more on my arms I can correct this. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What swing thoughts work for a particular player depend on that player’s swing tendencies. When I make bad swings, the predominant problem is excessive hip slide to left which sets us a block right, severe hook or fat shot. So my problem tendency is also too much lower body. Your swing concept works fairly well for me. Many high handicap players have opposite tendency of dominating start of downswing with upper body and over the top move. Arms only might be a disasterous swing thought for them. My game has ben deteriorating slowly over the last 6 months. Sure I can still play well in patches but I play too many loose shots. I have played rounds in the high 70s so I can at times play reasonably well. But all to often I seem to hit one bad shot per hole which looses one or two shots. So I went to the range tonight and tried to keep my body as quiet as possible and simply concentrated on my arms swinging back and through. I started to hit the ball much more consistantly until my body decided that it wanted to get into the act again. When this happened my shots were poor. It almost felt too simple as if I was cheating. My body only responded to the swinging of my arms and did not actively lead. I have a reasonaly good swing and used to have good leg movement. Recently I think that I have been thinking too much about the swing and maybe I should give this new swing thought a try. I will try to keep the body as pasive as possible without being stiff – I know that this won’t work for everybody but if you want to try it out then fine. It’s going to be difficult though because I still have the urge to use my body more. Too many instructors seem to concentrate on far too many body positions. Just stand ‘proud’ (not upright nor slouched). Keep as still as possible and let the arms swing freely back; then let them swing freely through to the finish. Weight shift etc. justs seems to happen; when I concentrate on the weight shift I end up swaying. As long as the body doesn’t get in the way or try to help put some extra zip into the swing then it works for me.
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Thanks for explaining. I’ve never heard of Jim Flick – I must find out more. I’m beginning to think that he must be right; too much body movement is bad for me. It detracts from the main focus which is to swing the arms and use the body as passively as possible.
Perhaps you were just swinging the club! Take a look at the top golfers in slow motion, their hands move a few inches whilst the clubhead swings several feet. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Could you explain the constructive comment? Thanks Mr. Flick. The golf instructor Jim Flick also says that focusing on the large muscles of the body tends to wreak havoc with the swings of most amatuers.
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What swing thoughts work for a particular player depend on that player’s swing tendencies. When I make bad swings, the predominant problem is excessive hip slide to left which sets us a block right, severe hook or fat shot. So my problem tendency is also too much lower body. Your swing concept works fairly well for me. Many high handicap players have opposite tendency of dominating start of downswing with upper body and over the top move. Arms only might be a disasterous swing thought for them.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My game has ben deteriorating slowly over the last 6 months. Sure I can still play well in patches but I play too many loose shots. I have played rounds in the high 70s so I can at times play reasonably well. But all to often I seem to hit one bad shot per hole which looses one or two shots. So I went to the range tonight and tried to keep my body as quiet as possible and simply concentrated on my arms swinging back and through. I started to hit the ball much more consistantly until my body decided that it wanted to get into the act again. When this happened my shots were poor. It almost felt too simple as if I was cheating. My body only responded to the swinging of my arms and did not actively lead. I have a reasonaly good swing and used to have good leg movement. Recently I think that I have been thinking too much about the swing and maybe I should give this new swing thought a try. I will try to keep the body as pasive as possible without being stiff – I know that this won’t work for everybody but if you want to try it out then fine. It’s going to be difficult though because I still have the urge to use my body more. Too many instructors seem to concentrate on far too many body positions. Just stand ‘proud’ (not upright nor slouched). Keep as still as possible and let the arms swing freely back; then let them swing freely through to the finish. Weight shift etc. justs seems to happen; when I concentrate on the weight shift I end up swaying. As long as the body doesn’t get in the way or try to help put some extra zip into the swing then it works for me.
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Thanks. I’m not really interested with detailed theory because that’s what got me into the mess in the first place. I will try to find out about his methods just for interest. My post was just to say that if all else fails then just swing the arms back and through and keep the body passive. That doesn’t mean not using the body because for me the hips etc. turn themselves without thinking. But too much emphasis on body position ends up complicating the swing. I find that I use far too much lower body movement which pushes me ahead of the ball. I can only stay behind the ball by keeping my body as quiet as I can. The swing is then uncomplicated and simple and the results are good. Note that distance isn’t a problem for me but consistancy is. Note that this won’t work for everybody but if you are looking to get back out of a slump then give it a try or better still seek professional advice.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks for explaining. I’ve never heard of Jim Flick – I must find out more. I’m beginning to think that he must be right; too much body movement is bad for me. It detracts from the main focus which is to swing the arms and use the body as passively as possible. Flick can often be seen on The Golf Channel and has a golf school to which his name and Jack Nicklaus’ name are attached. I do not know how good his schools are and you most likely would not get Flick himself if you went to one of them, but here is a link to his website: http://www.jimflickgolf.com/index.php — CA Remove NoSpam to email me directly. Troll intolerant. I took the RSG 2002 Pledge.
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Thanks for explaining. I’ve never heard of Jim Flick – I must find out more. I’m beginning to think that he must be right; too much body movement is bad for me. It detracts from the main focus which is to swing the arms and use the body as passively as possible.
Flick can often be seen on The Golf Channel and has a golf school to which his name and Jack Nicklaus’ name are attached. I do not know how good his schools are and you most likely would not get Flick himself if you went to one of them, but here is a link to his website: http://www.jimflickgolf.com/index.php — CA Remove NoSpam to email me directly. Troll intolerant. I took the RSG 2002 Pledge.
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Thanks Mr. Flick.
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Could you explain the constructive comment?
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Could you explain the constructive comment? Thanks Mr. Flick.
The golf instructor Jim Flick also says that focusing on the large muscles of the body tends to wreak havoc with the swings of most amatuers. CA Remove NoSpam to email me directly. Troll intolerant. I took the RSG 2002 Pledge. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
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Thanks for explaining. I’ve never heard of Jim Flick – I must find out more. I’m beginning to think that he must be right; too much body movement is bad for me. It detracts from the main focus which is to swing the arms and use the body as passively as possible.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Could you explain the constructive comment? Thanks Mr. Flick. The golf instructor Jim Flick also says that focusing on the large muscles of the body tends to wreak havoc with the swings of most amatuers. CA Remove NoSpam to email me directly. Troll intolerant. I took the RSG 2002 Pledge.
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My game has ben deteriorating slowly over the last 6 months. Sure I can still play well in patches but I play too many loose shots. I have played rounds in the high 70s so I can at times play reasonably well. But all to often I seem to hit one bad shot per hole which looses one or two shots. So I went to the range tonight and tried to keep my body as quiet as possible and simply concentrated on my arms swinging back and through. I started to hit the ball much more consistantly until my body decided that it wanted to get into the act again. When this happened my shots were poor. It almost felt too simple as if I was cheating. My body only responded to the swinging of my arms and did not actively lead. I have a reasonaly good swing and used to have good leg movement. Recently I think that I have been thinking too much about the swing and maybe I should give this new swing thought a try. I will try to keep the body as pasive as possible without being stiff – I know that this won’t work for everybody but if you want to try it out then fine. It’s going to be difficult though because I still have the urge to use my body more. Too many instructors seem to concentrate on far too many body positions. Just stand ‘proud’ (not upright nor slouched). Keep as still as possible and let the arms swing freely back; then let them swing freely through to the finish. Weight shift etc. justs seems to happen; when I concentrate on the weight shift I end up swaying. As long as the body doesn’t get in the way or try to help put some extra zip into the swing then it works for me.