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Ok now you’re getting to your point. Yes we should tell everyone to avoid areas where there are TFR because those areas are deemed unsafe by the govt.
Great idea! There’s a telemarketer that keeps calling me to tell me I’ve won a trip to Orlando. I know the number on the caller ID by now, and the next time she calls, I’m gonna tell her that I’d love to go, but the Homeland Security people say that’s a big target for terrorists. George Patterson "Cuius testiculos habes, habeas cardia et cerebellum." – When you have their full attention in your grip, their hearts and minds will follow.
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You’re making it way to complicated . . . you’re gonna be talking to ATC anyway so just ask Newark Approach for clearance into the Bravo space and don’t worry about the shelf . . . ask for vectors to the field if you need them. www.Rosspilot.com
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To the citizens of Chicago: some day at 1 in the morning, Mayor Daley could decide that your public favorite recreational area (public golf course, municipal center, softball park, marina, etc) is needed for a higher purpose (like a high rise), and that he has an obligation to move forward without notice because of some "popular" reason X that particular day. It’s can’t be about Meigs anymore; it has to be about democracy.
Very well put! Sydney
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well any aircraft could be used to deliver bio-agents. See this fictional scenario: http://www.laweekly.com/ink/03/14/features-ciotti.php But so could a NY taxi cab and a taxi cab driving thru downtown Manhattan would be a much better delivery vector as it would go unnoticed. Ok you could have made your point with far fewer words but I agree. I am going to write a letter to Disney explaining why we will be avoiding their park. I hope someone in the press picks this up. I can envision a weekly "The most dangerous places to be" column in a similar vein to the "Most desirable cities" columns. The column could outline the current TFR around the nation and include all the tourist destinations within those TFR. Michael Eisner may stroke out seeing that column in the Wall Street Journal or the Economist. He would at least spit some morning beverage out at high velocity…. If we all write a letter to the editor of a local news syndication we may be able to get this into the media. possible start of such a letter: "A pilot friend of mine recently explained to me that TFR exist over many areas of the country and why. I’m wondering why I have seen nor heard no coverage on these TFR. My family is planning to avoid those areas and I think that the popular media should alert the general populace that those TFR exist and where and why. Most importantly "why" followed by "where". In case you don’t know they exist because the agencies of the Federal Govt. have determined that those areas are likely targets in the event of a terrorist attack from the air." Or is this over-the-top? Anyway, it might fly. (pun intended) Hmmm…
I think that Newsman has a point here! WE need to make a big noise about how "unsafe" we think that it would be to patronize the Mouse or Chicago or NYC or Washington DC! I can also imagine Eisner’s reaction to a letter to the Editor of the Wall Street Journal expressing these feelings! Eisner’s TFR is politically motivated — he has sought for years to ban overflights. If it hurts him in the pocketbook, he will reconsider. I recall some years ago, when Bob Crandall of American airlines wanted to ban GA from major airports. He was circulating the story that "nearly 70 percent of our near-misses are with private aircraft." When a few of us pointed out that he was REALLY telling us that "over 30 percent of their near-misses were between them and OTHER AIRLINERS, flown under positive control, with multi-pilot professional crews, and that those airl;iners represented less than 3 percent of the total civil fleet, he quickly sought out AOPA for a "partnership" program. — To get random signatures put text files into a folder called "Random Signatures" into your Preferences folder.
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I’m sorry, but I can’t visualize it. Looking at the TAC, the 500 shelf appears to me to be 2 1/2 – 3 miles to the north. The airport is under an 800′ shelf, and right to the north its 1200. But that little pie-shaped piece of 500 is just about 1 mile off of RY 9. Departing RY 9 seems to require an immediate turn. All patterns are to the left. Coming from the west and landing RY 27, couldn’t you make a standard left pattern slightly below 800? Coming from the west and landing RY9, couldn’t you make staight in or standard left pattern under the 1200 shelf? Les
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Linden has a nice long runway, but its a bit tricky to find because the area is so built up. TPA is 800 ft because of the low class B shelf for EWR). If landing runway 9, you have to fly an upwind leg to enter the pattern – again because of the class B shelf which drops to 500 (yes 500 ft) just North of LDJ. RY 27 is no problem – std left pattern. On final approach to RY 27, you may be annoyed by the fact you are 300 ft above huge fuel storage tanks – but there is a good VASI. Be sure not to come in too low; there are power lines about 50′ AGL off the 27 approach end. Nice folks at on the UNICOM, though (123.00). Lots of helicopters during the week; less so on weekends. Morristown is my favorite – a good tower crew; but Linden is less expensive, untowered, and quite a bit closer to NYC. As others have noted – you need to file an ADIZ flight plan to operate to any of the airports you mentioned since al are within the NYC mode C veil (now also the NYC ADIZ). Have fun!! -RJL I’m planning a VFR trip to the Newark, NJ area on Sunday, to meet family for dinner. I am considering MMU, CDW and LDJ. LDJ is actually the most convenient. It also appears to be the cheapest from the standpoint of fuel and landing fees. Ground transportation is not really relevant, because I will be met at the airport wherever I land. I’m just a little concerned about the airspace around LDJ, but it also seems that approaches for the other airports overlap a bit. LDJ also seems to require a clearance into the Bravo, whereas with the others you can come in under the shelf. Any thoughts, suggestions or recommendations? Les
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B. We don’t have any "obligation" to inform the non-flying public, but rather the boycott is self-serving in that by educating the public on the deception His Dishonor is trying to sell them,
Local surveys already show the 88% of the citizens don’t believe that Meigs was closed for security. They think that the Mayor was lying. VL
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TFR’s preclude you flying in them. … —
Exactly. I am more than a little surprised that the responders to this thread have not recognized Scott’s tongue planted firmly in cheek: If TFRs preclude Flying into them, then obviously the area is sensitive and nobody should drive, walk, work, or anything else in that area. We really should put up a border guard at the surface as well as in the air, and evacuate those areas completely. Especially Disney World 
After all, it is much easier to position a dangerous device accurately from the surface, than to drop it accurately from several thousand feet.
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local surveys already show the 88% of the citizens don’t believe that Meigs was closed for security. They think that the Mayor was lying.
Nope. They don’t *think* the mayor lied. They have a long history of factual knowledge to that point.
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B. We don’t have any "obligation" to inform the non-flying public, but rather the boycott is self-serving in that by educating the public on the deception His Dishonor is trying to sell them, and its consequences, we can attempt to get the public to stand up for what is right (again, I think this is an optimistic goal)
We may not have any "obligation" to inform the public, but un un-informed public will gladly allow our politicians to close airports any time they say there is a need… If they don’t know otherwise, why would they object. — Matt Lang AirplaneListings.Com
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(Rosspilot) is based out of CDW and can give you details of that airport.
File a flight plan so you’ll be in contact w/ ATC before entering the 30 mile ADIZ, and just stay with NY Approach to either Linden or CDW. If your friends/family are meeting you, Linden is closer to NYC, but Caldwell is only 30 mins away. Caldwell has a wonderful (if pricy) restaurant and multiple runways w/Tower . . . Linden is not controlled. Either will suffice for your purposes. www.Rosspilot.com
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B. We don’t have any "obligation" to inform the non-flying public, but rather the boycott is self-serving in that by educating the public on the deception His Dishonor is trying to sell them, and its consequences, we can attempt to get the public to stand up for what is right (again, I think this is an optimistic goal)
It is an optimistic goal especially if we limit the discussion to Meigs and its restoration. We need to paint a picture (easy to do, actually) that Meigs is a manifestation of a huge! problem. The message needs to be "Tell Mayor Daley that he is not the authoritarian ruler of Chicago by supporting the restoration of Meigs Field." By his actions and statements, we know that the mayor believes that he is a democratically elected leader and protector, and that the city of Chicago is his private sandbox. Only he knows what is best for the city. In his mind, he only needs their votes; he doesn’t need public hearings or referendums to determine what is best for his citizens and HIS property that they are allowed to use as long as he sees fit. He can figure that out by himself, thank you (not!) to anybody who wants to express an opinion or otherwise interfere with his work. By election, he believes that he owns and protects the people and the city, and only he knows what is best for them. They elected HIM afterall…. We shouldn’t spend the bulk of this effort trying to "inform" the public about all of the advantages of a downtown airport; we also need to educate them about how the mayor thinks as evidenced by his actions. We need to send the message that if they let the precedent set in the destruction of Meigs stand, then this will happen again. To the citizens of Chicago: some day at 1 in the morning, Mayor Daley could decide that your public favorite recreational area (public golf course, municipal center, softball park, marina, etc) is needed for a higher purpose (like a high rise), and that he has an obligation to move forward without notice because of some "popular" reason X that particular day. It’s can’t be about Meigs anymore; it has to be about democracy.
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D. THEY (and we) know GA aircraft aren’t the risk. But THEY will need immediate and absolute control of the airspace above the attack site when (not if) the attack(s) occur. THEY will need the airspace for air support, damage assessment, quarantine enforcement and maybe even large scale antidote sparying. Will THEY route all GA aircraft in the TFR at the time of the attack to a designated airport for assessment, decontamination and/or quarantine (perhaps hizzoner wasn’t comfortable with Meigs being that airport for Chicago)?
Large scale WHAT? Did you say large scale antidote spraying? Ha. Ha ha. What are they going to do – load up a couple of Ag-Cats with a bunch of atropine and 2-pam chloride and buzz the city with it? Ha. Ha ha. Ha ha ha. Ha ha ha ha…. That’s a good one! Ha ha ha ha ha ha…. — Larry Fransson Seattle, WA
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My wiser friend persuades me that my ranting for a boycott of Chicago isn’t very wise.
AOPA thinks your friend doesn’t know what he’s talking about. George Patterson "Cuius testiculos habes, habeas cardia et cerebellum." – When you have their full attention in your grip, their hearts and minds will follow.
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TFR’s preclude you flying in them. Your argument is illogical. — Kevin McCue PP-ASEL-Glider ‘47 Luscombe 8E Rans S-17 (for sale) —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–== Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–
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Daley doesn’t know a damn bit more about threats to Chicago than DHS tells him. He’s a paranoid megalomaniac and belongs in a locked ward in a state hospital. Dave Reinhart – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My wiser friend persuades me that my ranting for a boycott of Chicago isn’t very wise. His points may be worthwhile: A. Boycotts don’t work, they cause anger and retribution. The GA population is too small to affect any large city. B. GA pilots are responsible and informed. But do we have an obligation to share this knowledge with our non-flying friends and family? C. The Department of Homeland Security, the Transportation Security Administration and the FAA (collectively: "THEY") know our enemies’ attack plans. THEY don’t know when, but they do know where – the "credible threats". While THEY haven’t really told everyone, THEY have told the GA community by establishing TFR’s. D. THEY (and we) know GA aircraft aren’t the risk. But THEY will need immediate and absolute control of the airspace above the attack site when (not if) the attack(s) occur. THEY will need the airspace for air support, damage assessment, quarantine enforcement and maybe even large scale antidote sparying. Will THEY route all GA aircraft in the TFR at the time of the attack to a designated airport for assessment, decontamination and/or quarantine (perhaps hizzoner wasn’t comfortable with Meigs being that airport for Chicago)? E. Since we GA types know where, but not when, THEY are expecting the attacks, shouldn’t we tell our non-flying friends, employers, coworkers, etc. how to learn about TFR’s and make informed decisions before entering a target area? While a mayor’s office or Disney’s offices may claim it is safe to visit, the continued existence of a TFR would seem to argue the contrary. Hmmm…
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Linden has a nice long runway, but its a bit tricky to find because the area is so built up. TPA is 800 ft because of the low class B shelf for EWR). If landing runway 9, you have to fly an upwind leg to enter the pattern – again because of the class B shelf which drops to 500 (yes 500 ft) just North of LDJ. RY 27 is no problem – std left pattern. On final approach to RY 27, you may be annoyed by the fact you are 300 ft above huge fuel storage tanks – but there is a good VASI. Be sure not to come in too low; there are power lines about 50′ AGL off the 27 approach end. Nice folks at on the UNICOM, though (123.00). Lots of helicopters during the week; less so on weekends. Morristown is my favorite – a good tower crew; but Linden is less expensive, untowered, and quite a bit closer to NYC. As others have noted – you need to file an ADIZ flight plan to operate to any of the airports you mentioned since al are within the NYC mode C veil (now also the NYC ADIZ). Have fun!! -RJL
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m planning a VFR trip to the Newark, NJ area on Sunday, to meet family for dinner. I am considering MMU, CDW and LDJ. LDJ is actually the most convenient. It also appears to be the cheapest from the standpoint of fuel and landing fees. Ground transportation is not really relevant, because I will be met at the airport wherever I land. I’m just a little concerned about the airspace around LDJ, but it also seems that approaches for the other airports overlap a bit. LDJ also seems to require a clearance into the Bravo, whereas with the others you can come in under the shelf. Any thoughts, suggestions or recommendations? Les
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My wiser friend persuades me that my ranting for a boycott of Chicago isn’t very wise. His points may be worthwhile: A. Boycotts don’t work, they cause anger and retribution. The GA population is too small to affect any large city.
Not true. Boycotts do work, they make the boycotter feel much better about doing business elsewhere and spending vacation dollars elsewhere. Wake up and smell the economy it’s not flourishing right now and every little bit hurts. B. GA pilots are responsible and informed. But do we have an obligation to share this knowledge with our non-flying friends and family?
Yes. C. The Department of Homeland Security, the Transportation Security Administration and the FAA (collectively: "THEY") know our enemies’ attack plans. THEY don’t know when, but they do know where – the "credible threats". While THEY haven’t really told everyone, THEY have told the GA community by establishing TFR’s.
Ok now you’re getting to your point. Yes we should tell everyone to avoid areas where there are TFR because those areas are deemed unsafe by the govt. D. THEY (and we) know GA aircraft aren’t the risk. But THEY will need immediate and absolute control of the airspace above the attack site when (not if) the attack(s) occur. THEY will need the airspace for air support, damage assessment, quarantine enforcement and maybe even large scale antidote sparying. Will THEY route all GA aircraft in the TFR at the time of the attack to a designated airport for assessment, decontamination and/or quarantine (perhaps hizzoner wasn’t comfortable with Meigs being that airport for Chicago)?
Well any aircraft could be used to deliver bio-agents. See this fictional scenario: http://www.laweekly.com/ink/03/14/features-ciotti.php But so could a NY taxi cab and a taxi cab driving thru downtown Manhattan would be a much better delivery vector as it would go unnoticed. E. Since we GA types know where, but not when, THEY are expecting the attacks, shouldn’t we tell our non-flying friends, employers, coworkers, etc. how to learn about TFR’s and make informed decisions before entering a target area? While a mayor’s office or Disney’s offices may claim it is safe to visit, the continued existence of a TFR would seem to argue the contrary.
Ok you could have made your point with far fewer words but I agree. I am going to write a letter to Disney explaining why we will be avoiding their park. I hope someone in the press picks this up. I can envision a weekly "The most dangerous places to be" column in a similar vein to the "Most desirable cities" columns. The column could outline the current TFR around the nation and include all the tourist destinations within those TFR. Michael Eisner may stroke out seeing that column in the Wall Street Journal or the Economist. He would at least spit some morning beverage out at high velocity…. If we all write a letter to the editor of a local news syndication we may be able to get this into the media. possible start of such a letter: "A pilot friend of mine recently explained to me that TFR exist over many areas of the country and why. I’m wondering why I have seen nor heard no coverage on these TFR. My family is planning to avoid those areas and I think that the popular media should alert the general populace that those TFR exist and where and why. Most importantly "why" followed by "where". In case you don’t know they exist because the agencies of the Federal Govt. have determined that those areas are likely targets in the event of a terrorist attack from the air." Or is this over-the-top? Anyway, it might fly. (pun intended) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hmmm…
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My wiser friend persuades me that my ranting for a boycott of Chicago isn’t very wise. His points may be worthwhile: A. Boycotts don’t work, they cause anger and retribution. The GA population is too small to affect any large city. Not true. Boycotts do work, they make the boycotter feel much better about doing business elsewhere and spending vacation dollars elsewhere. Wake up and smell the economy it’s not flourishing right now and every little bit hurts. B. GA pilots are responsible and informed. But do we have an obligation to share this knowledge with our non-flying friends and family? Yes. C. The Department of Homeland Security, the Transportation Security Administration and the FAA (collectively: "THEY") know our enemies’ attack plans. THEY don’t know when, but they do know where – the "credible threats". While THEY haven’t really told everyone, THEY have told the GA community by establishing TFR’s. Ok now you’re getting to your point. Yes we should tell everyone to avoid areas where there are TFR because those areas are deemed unsafe by the govt. D. THEY (and we) know GA aircraft aren’t the risk. But THEY will need immediate and absolute control of the airspace above the attack site when (not if) the attack(s) occur. THEY will need the airspace for air support, damage assessment, quarantine enforcement and maybe even large scale antidote sparying. Will THEY route all GA aircraft in the TFR at the time of the attack to a designated airport for assessment, decontamination and/or quarantine (perhaps hizzoner wasn’t comfortable with Meigs being that airport for Chicago)? Well any aircraft could be used to deliver bio-agents. See this fictional scenario: http://www.laweekly.com/ink/03/14/features-ciotti.php But so could a NY taxi cab and a taxi cab driving thru downtown Manhattan would be a much better delivery vector as it would go unnoticed. E. Since we GA types know where, but not when, THEY are expecting the attacks, shouldn’t we tell our non-flying friends, employers, coworkers, etc. how to learn about TFR’s and make informed decisions before entering a target area? While a mayor’s office or Disney’s offices may claim it is safe to visit, the continued existence of a TFR would seem to argue the contrary. Ok you could have made your point with far fewer words but I agree. I am going to write a letter to Disney explaining why we will be avoiding their park. I hope someone in the press picks this up. I can envision a weekly "The most dangerous places to be" column in a similar vein to the "Most desirable cities" columns. The column could outline the current TFR around the nation and include all the tourist destinations within those TFR. Michael Eisner may stroke out seeing that column in the Wall Street Journal or the Economist. He would at least spit some morning beverage out at high velocity…. If we all write a letter to the editor of a local news syndication we may be able to get this into the media. possible start of such a letter: "A pilot friend of mine recently explained to me that TFR exist over many areas of the country and why. I’m wondering why I have seen nor heard no coverage on these TFR. My family is planning to avoid those areas and I think that the popular media should alert the general populace that those TFR exist and where and why. Most importantly "why" followed by "where". In case you don’t know they exist because the agencies of the Federal Govt. have determined that those areas are likely targets in the event of a terrorist attack from the air." Or is this over-the-top? Anyway, it might fly. (pun intended)
The best way to get media’s attention about TFRs is to get a large group or association to cancell one or more events within the TFR because it has been identified as a potential terrorist target, and the TFR creates additional fear in your membership. One person, a dozen people, even many dozens of people doing this as individuals all writing into news organizations (like CBS, NBC, Wall Street Journal,etc.) will not get press attention in any major outlet. They get thousands of these each and every day, and they have people who’s only job is to open and "filter" the mail for important things that accidently got sent to their "main address", and not given to them through more established channels – i.e., who you know!. The local Chamber of Commerce complaining to their local newspaper/tv station about conventions getting cancelled would probably get covered by their business beat reporter. so the idea of boycotting Chicago, and making sure that the Chamber knows about it, is a perfect example of how a boycott could be successful in changing public opinion. Of course, by wholesale acceptance of the governments position that these TFR’s are in fact justified (why else would you stay away), you give the Feds more ammunition to shoot back at you with, when they start increasing the TFRs to ever larger areas… then what do you do. The next time the Dept of Homeland Scrutiny, oops, I mean Security, raises the threat level from medium to high, try suggesting to the local newspaper that we should remove the TFR over some large city and see the response you get. (editor’s note: look out for men looking for you in a white van with straight jackets). They have all the cards, except for the ones they don’t need. A think a boycott based on the terrible actions of Mayor Daley are far better in my opinion than legitimizing the TFRs as genuine representations of threat. — Matt Lang AirplaneListings.Com
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My wiser friend persuades me that my ranting for a boycott of Chicago isn’t very wise. His points may be worthwhile: A. Boycotts don’t work, they cause anger and retribution. The GA population is too small to affect any large city. B. GA pilots are responsible and informed. But do we have an obligation to share this knowledge with our non-flying friends and family? C. The Department of Homeland Security, the Transportation Security Administration and the FAA (collectively: "THEY") know our enemies’ attack plans. THEY don’t know when, but they do know where – the "credible threats". While THEY haven’t really told everyone, THEY have told the GA community by establishing TFR’s. D. THEY (and we) know GA aircraft aren’t the risk. But THEY will need immediate and absolute control of the airspace above the attack site when (not if) the attack(s) occur. THEY will need the airspace for air support, damage assessment, quarantine enforcement and maybe even large scale antidote sparying. Will THEY route all GA aircraft in the TFR at the time of the attack to a designated airport for assessment, decontamination and/or quarantine (perhaps hizzoner wasn’t comfortable with Meigs being that airport for Chicago)? E. Since we GA types know where, but not when, THEY are expecting the attacks, shouldn’t we tell our non-flying friends, employers, coworkers, etc. how to learn about TFR’s and make informed decisions before entering a target area? While a mayor’s office or Disney’s offices may claim it is safe to visit, the continued existence of a TFR would seem to argue the contrary. Hmmm…
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While THEY haven’t really told everyone, THEY have told the GA community by establishing TFR’s.
I don’t believe the above statement for one minute. The TFR’s do not follow credible threat, they follow bureaucratic wrangling, ass covering, and political influence. D. THEY (and we) know GA aircraft aren’t the risk. But THEY will need immediate and absolute control of the airspace above the attack site when (not if) the attack(s) occur. THEY will need the airspace for air support, damage assessment, quarantine enforcement and maybe even large scale antidote sparying. Will THEY route all GA aircraft in the TFR at the time of the attack to a designated airport for assessment, decontamination and/or quarantine (perhaps hizzoner wasn’t comfortable with Meigs being that airport for Chicago)?
Where did this piece of fallacy come up from?
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I think you and your wise friend are missing the point: A. The purpose of the boycott is to pressure on Chicago people/businesses so that they will put pressure on their govt. to take corrective action. It is also meant to be a punitive/preventative action on the part of GA to send a message to other forces considering similar actions in the future. While I do agree that GA’s power is limited and unlikely to make a big impact on a large city like Chicago, I think doing nothing sends an even more desrtructive message, i.e. that GA is likely to sit passively by for future actions (especially considering the symbolic importance of Meigs and the extreme nature of Boss Daley’s actions). B. We don’t have any "obligation" to inform the non-flying public, but rather the boycott is self-serving in that by educating the public on the deception His Dishonor is trying to sell them, and its consequences, we can attempt to get the public to stand up for what is right (again, I think this is an optimistic goal) C,D,E. Not sure what boycott-related point your friend is trying to make here, unless these items are meant to demonstrate that the Meigs shutdown was actually justified by security issues. I would hope that everyone knowlegable in GA recognizes that any link between Meigs closing and "homeland security" is laughable.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My wiser friend persuades me that my ranting for a boycott of Chicago isn’t very wise. His points may be worthwhile: A. Boycotts don’t work, they cause anger and retribution. The GA population is too small to affect any large city. B. GA pilots are responsible and informed. But do we have an obligation to share this knowledge with our non-flying friends and family? C. The Department of Homeland Security, the Transportation Security Administration and the FAA (collectively: "THEY") know our enemies’ attack plans. THEY don’t know when, but they do know where – the "credible threats". While THEY haven’t really told everyone, THEY have told the GA community by establishing TFR’s. D. THEY (and we) know GA aircraft aren’t the risk. But THEY will need immediate and absolute control of the airspace above the attack site when (not if) the attack(s) occur. THEY will need the airspace for air support, damage assessment, quarantine enforcement and maybe even large scale antidote sparying. Will THEY route all GA aircraft in the TFR at the time of the attack to a designated airport for assessment, decontamination and/or quarantine (perhaps hizzoner wasn’t comfortable with Meigs being that airport for Chicago)? E. Since we GA types know where, but not when, THEY are expecting the attacks, shouldn’t we tell our non-flying friends, employers, coworkers, etc. how to learn about TFR’s and make informed decisions before entering a target area? While a mayor’s office or Disney’s offices may claim it is safe to visit, the continued existence of a TFR would seem to argue the contrary. Hmmm…
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I’m planning a VFR trip to the Newark, NJ area on Sunday, to meet family for dinner. I am considering MMU, CDW and LDJ. LDJ is actually the most convenient. It also appears to be the cheapest from the standpoint of fuel and landing fees. Ground transportation is not really relevant, because I will be met at the airport wherever I land. I’m just a little concerned about the airspace around LDJ, but it also seems that approaches for the other airports overlap a bit. LDJ also seems to require a clearance into the Bravo, whereas with the others you can come in under the shelf. Any thoughts, suggestions or recommendations? Les
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I’m just a little concerned about the airspace around LDJ, but it also seems that approaches for the other airports overlap a bit. LDJ also seems to require a clearance into the Bravo, whereas with the others you can come in under the shelf.
Linden is also under a shelf. The class B starts at 1200′ over Linden if you come in from a southerly or westerly direction. Contact John Price. He used to be based out of there. Lee Ross (Rosspilot) is based out of CDW and can give you details of that airport. John’s web site is http://home.att.net/~jm.price Lee’s site is http://www.skyviewpictures.com George Patterson "Cuius testiculos habes, habeas cardia et cerebellum." – When you have their full attention in your grip, their hearts and minds will follow.
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Forgot to mention. You’ll need a flight plan, discrete squawk code, and be in constant communication with ATC to get within the 30 mile veil. George Patterson "Cuius testiculos habes, habeas cardia et cerebellum." – When you have their full attention in your grip, their hearts and minds will follow.
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My wiser friend persuades me that my ranting for a boycott of Chicago isn’t very wise. His points may be worthwhile: A. Boycotts don’t work, they cause anger and retribution. The GA population is too small to affect any large city.
"Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict the more glorious the triumph." Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, December, 1776