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I’m glad you have the wherewithal to disregard time/daylight and the flexibility that seemingly lets you play whenever you want or do everyday tasks without a clock or schedule. Most of us don’t. I’m more likely to get an evening of 9/18 holes in April-May, August-September because of daylight savings time. Essentially adds four quality months to my golf season. Not to mention the added practice time in the evenings after work. Last time I checked it was hard follow a golf ball in the dark. DST must throw off all those 5:30 a.m. tee times you’ve been enjoying since March?
On weekends it doesn’t matter. If my clock now says 8:00 instead of 7:00 when I tee off – what’s the big deal? It really is the same time – only now we agree to lie about it. But if you have time to play after work, then someone else has time to play before work. Giving you more time takes time away from him. This lie doesn’t hurt. But it doesn’t help either. So why lie?
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The way I remembered it is that The Masters is always held the first weekend after Daylight Savings Time goes into effect. I remember a couple of years ago that DST went into effect on March 30 or 31st and the Masters was like the 4-8th or 5-9th of April. Randy’s way of figuring it out seems logical to me. I always consider Masters week to be Christmas in April for me as a golfer because you get (1) The Masters and (2) Daylight Savings Time! :-)
I believe the "rule" for the Masters is that the final round is played on the 2nd Sunday in April. I was told this some time ago, but haven’t gone back to the records to see if it’s correct.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You are correct, of course, Howard, that DST doesn’t give you "more" daylight. But for those of us who don’t know that 6:00 comes twice a day, the switch to daylight savings is a huge plus, at least in terms of golf and any other outdoor activities. Personally, I like Rob Hamilton’s take on it. He calls Standard Time "Daylight Elimination Time." Randy —- never does 7 AM tee times if at all avoidable PS … A few years ago, I had the opportunity to move to Nashville. I much prefer the Central Time Zone over Eastern Time. I consider Eastern Time the work of the devil (news comes on an hour later, Letterman doesn’t come on ’til 11:30, etc.). So there was some appeal for me to live in Nashville. However, once I stopped to realize that it was on the eastern edge of the time zone, I realized that it meant darkness at around 8:15 even in the middle of summer, and sunset as early as around 4:00 in the winter. Fuggetaboudit. Daylight rules.
Move your studio to Dornoch for the summer months, Randy. Daylight until 11pm !! Mind you, you can start play around 4am, but somehow I would think that that time wouldn’t appeal to you…:-) — David Hi-Tech Turf – Synthetic Turf Applications RSG Roll Call http://rec-sport-golf.com/members?rollcall=sneddond email: dsneddon AT cogeco DOT ca
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The PGA Championship is NOT a Tour event????
Nope. Neither is the Masters Tournament, the US Open or the British Open. Each is run by an organization other than the PGA TOUR. In the case of the PGA Championship, it’s run by the PGA of America. People constantly get the PGA of America confused with the PGA TOUR, and commonly use the term "PGA" interchangably. They’re two separate organizations. A little history lesson: In 1895, 10 professional golfers and one amateur played in the first US Open in Newport, RI. Shortly thereafter, tournaments began to pop up across the country. There was the Western Open in 1899. But this was not "tour" golf, as the events lacked continuity. Interest in the game grew. By the early 1920s, a series of tournaments was held on the West Coast, Texas and Florida. These events were held in the winter, and the golfers played their way east and up to Pinehurst in the spring. By the middle 1920s, this "tour" was doing relatively well, offering $77,000 in total prize money. The first "playing pros" organization was formed in 1932. Two years earlier, Bob Harlow had been named manager of the PGA Tournament Bureau. The tour became more structured following World War II and exploded in the late 1950s and early 1960s. When Arnold Palmer, televised golf and President Eisenhower arrived on the scene in the late ’50s, the eyes of the world were on golf. This expoure inspired millions to try the game. Most golf historians trace the "formal" beginning of the PGA TOUR to late 1968, when the Association of Professional Golfers (APG), an autonomous tournament players’ organization, formed in a breakaway from the PGA. As a compromise, the Tournament Players Division of the PGA formed under the aegis of a 10-man policay board. Eventually the Tournament Players Division broke away completely from the PGA, and named Joe Dey as its first Commissioner. Records get a little fuzzy at this time, and it is unclear exactly what the chonology was concerning the breakaway, but the best guess is that the Tournament Players Division (later known as the PGA TOUR) broke cleanly away from the PGA in 1968. Joe Dey served as Commissioner beginning in 1969, and was succeeded by Deane Beman on March 1, 1974. Beman orchestrated the move of PGA TOUR headquarters from Washington, DC to Ponte Vedra Beach, FL in1979. TOUR headquarters remains there today. So, it’s been quite a while since the PGA of America and the PGA TOUR were distinctly separate organizations. While the PGA TOUR clearly has its roots in the PGA of America, the two organizations have existed separately and for totally different missions for over 30 years. The PGA of America is known mainly as the organization for club professionals, while the PGA TOUR is an organizations that stages a series of professional tournaments for touring pros. None of golf’s major championships are run by the PGA TOUR. The Masters is owned and operated by Augusta National Golf Club. The US Open is owned and operated by the USGA. The British Open is owned and operated by the Royal & Ancient Golf Club of St. Andrews. You have to go down golf’s pecking order to "the 5th major" to find one owned and operated by the PGA TOUR — THE PLAYERS Championship. Randy
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You are correct, of course, Howard, that DST doesn’t give you "more" daylight. But for those of us who don’t know that 6:00 comes twice a day, the switch to daylight savings is a huge plus, at least in terms of golf and any other outdoor activities. Personally, I like Rob Hamilton’s take on it. He calls Standard Time "Daylight Elimination Time." Randy —- never does 7 AM tee times if at all avoidable PS … A few years ago, I had the opportunity to move to Nashville. I much prefer the Central Time Zone over Eastern Time. I consider Eastern Time the work of the devil (news comes on an hour later, Letterman doesn’t come on ’til 11:30, etc.). So there was some appeal for me to live in Nashville. However, once I stopped to realize that it was on the eastern edge of the time zone, I realized that it meant darkness at around 8:15 even in the middle of summer, and sunset as early as around 4:00 in the winter. Fuggetaboudit. Daylight rules.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I always consider Masters week to be Christmas in April for me as a golfer because you get (1) The Masters and (2) Daylight Savings Time! :-) I always welcome The Masters. But letting the clock rule me instead of the other way around was never an attraction. We don’t get more daylight when we change our clocks. We just pick different times to go to work or watch TV, and pretend they are the same times. As golfers we know when the sun rises and sets anyway.
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That April 2-8 week is a bit misleading. The tournament only runs 4 days, so the actual play is only the 5th-8th. Masters Week, by this chart, starts on a Monday. That would still make sense. The first Sunday of the month of April is when Daylight Savings kicks in. The Masters ALWAYS is played in the week following the beginning of Daylight Savings. I guarantee it. Could have been different years ago. In fact, I’m sure it was. Heck, I’m old enough to remember when we didn’t go to DST. Randy
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The Masters always ends on the second Sunday in April. Not necessarily. See below. Check out the dates for 2007! That’ll be an early start to DST if Randy’s theory holds true. http://www.masters.org/en_US/info/faq/index.html 5.Q.I’m making plans for 2003; what are those Tournament dates? A.Future dates for the Masters are: 2004 April 5-11 2005 April 4-10 2006 April 3-9 2007 April 2-8 2008 April 7-13 — Washington State University "That shot is impossible!…Jack Nicholson himself couldn’t make it!"– Homer Simpson
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone know when the PGA tour dates for 2004 are announced ? Specifically, when is the 2004 Masters being held. The Masters dates for 2004 will probably be up at masters.org well before the TOUR announces its next year’s schedule (usually around September-October-November of the previous year). BTW, The Masters is not an official TOUR event, even though it is used for stats, money, exemptions, etc. If fact, not of the four majors are PGA TOUR events. They are all run/sanctioned by separate organizations. The PGA Championship is NOT a Tour event????
Nope. It’s run by the PGA of America which is not the same entity as the PGA Tour (which splintered off from the PGA of America many years ago). http://www.pga.com/ — http://www.rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=hayesd http://rec-sport-golf.com/newsgroup/charter.html If this post does not meet the goals of the charter, please email me.
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I always consider Masters week to be Christmas in April for me as a golfer because you get (1) The Masters and (2) Daylight Savings Time! :-) I always welcome The Masters. But letting the clock rule me instead of the other way around was never an attraction. We don’t get more daylight when we change our clocks. We just pick different times to go to work or watch TV, and pretend they are the same times. As golfers we know when the sun rises and sets anyway.
Boy Howard, and I thought I was cynical. :-) Are you one of those that gets screwed twice/year by forgetting to change your clock? Move to Arizona. :-) I’m glad you have the wherewithal to disregard time/daylight and the flexibility that seemingly lets you play whenever you want or do everyday tasks without a clock or schedule. Most of us don’t. I’m more likely to get an evening of 9/18 holes in April-May, August-September because of daylight savings time. Essentially adds four quality months to my golf season. Not to mention the added practice time in the evenings after work. Last time I checked it was hard follow a golf ball in the dark. DST must throw off all those 5:30 a.m. tee times you’ve been enjoying since March? — Washington State University "That shot is impossible!…Jack Nicholson himself couldn’t make it!"– Homer Simpson
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– Washington State University "That shot is impossible!…Jack Nicholson himself couldn’t make it!"– Homer Simpson
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I always consider Masters week to be Christmas in April for me as a golfer because you get (1) The Masters and (2) Daylight Savings Time! :-) I always welcome The Masters. But letting the clock rule me instead of the other way around was never an attraction. We don’t get more daylight when we change our clocks. We just pick different times to go to work or watch TV, and pretend they are the same times. As golfers we know when the sun rises and sets anyway.
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I always consider Masters week to be Christmas in April for me as a golfer because you get (1) The Masters and (2) Daylight Savings Time! :-) I always welcome The Masters. But letting the clock rule me instead of the other way around was never an attraction. We don’t get more daylight when we change our clocks. We just pick different times to go to work or watch TV, and pretend they are the same times. As golfers we know when the sun rises and sets anyway.
Ben Franklin, in a statement which would get him hanged by the PC crowd today, stated that the principle of daylight savings time is the same as the Indian who cut a foot off of his blanket and sewed it on the other end to make it longer. -JR
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I always consider Masters week to be Christmas in April for me as a golfer because you get (1) The Masters and (2) Daylight Savings Time! :-)
I always welcome The Masters. But letting the clock rule me instead of the other way around was never an attraction. We don’t get more daylight when we change our clocks. We just pick different times to go to work or watch TV, and pretend they are the same times. As golfers we know when the sun rises and sets anyway.
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The way I remembered it is that The Masters is always held the first weekend after Daylight Savings Time goes into effect.
I remember a couple of years ago that DST went into effect on March 30 or 31st and the Masters was like the 4-8th or 5-9th of April. Randy’s way of figuring it out seems logical to me. I always consider Masters week to be Christmas in April for me as a golfer because you get (1) The Masters and (2) Daylight Savings Time! :-) — Washington State University "That shot is impossible!…Jack Nicholson himself couldn’t make it!"– Homer Simpson
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The Masters always ends on the second Sunday in April. Not necessarily. See below.
Nix that…..I’m wrong. It does *end* on the 2nd Sunday. In 2007 the first Sunday in April is the 1st. <Where’s my coffee? — Washington State University "That shot is impossible!…Jack Nicholson himself couldn’t make it!"– Homer Simpson
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The Masters always ends on the second Sunday in April.
Not necessarily. See below. Check out the dates for 2007! That’ll be an early start to DST if Randy’s theory holds true. http://www.masters.org/en_US/info/faq/index.html 5.Q.I’m making plans for 2003; what are those Tournament dates? A.Future dates for the Masters are: 2004 April 5-11 2005 April 4-10 2006 April 3-9 2007 April 2-8 2008 April 7-13 — Washington State University "That shot is impossible!…Jack Nicholson himself couldn’t make it!"– Homer Simpson
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Regardless. Spring forward on the first Sunday in April and fall back on the last Sunday in October. In 2001, DST started April 1 and the Masters was played April 5-8. In 2003, DST started April 7 and the Masters was played April 11-14
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The way I remembered it is that The Masters is always held the first weekend after Daylight Savings Time goes into effect. I guess I was under the impression that DST went into effect on "the first Sunday after the first Saturday," meaning that if April 1st fell on a Sunday (and the previous day was March 31), then DST wouldn’t go into effect until the 8th, and the Masters would be the week after that. Am I wrong about DST? Does DST, in fact, go into effect on the first Sunday in April regardless of whether it’s on the 1st day of the month? I could be wrong. Happens all the time. <g Randy Specifically, when is the 2004 Masters being held. The Masters always ends on the second Sunday in April.
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The way I remembered it is that The Masters is always held the first weekend after Daylight Savings Time goes into effect. I guess I was under the impression that DST went into effect on "the first Sunday after the first Saturday," meaning that if April 1st fell on a Sunday (and the previous day was March 31), then DST wouldn’t go into effect until the 8th, and the Masters would be the week after that. Am I wrong about DST? Does DST, in fact, go into effect on the first Sunday in April regardless of whether it’s on the 1st day of the month? I could be wrong. Happens all the time. <g Randy
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Specifically, when is the 2004 Masters being held. The Masters always ends on the second Sunday in April.
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It’s always the second week of April, isn’t it? I know that the Buick Open got moved and will always be at the end of july. Desi
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone know when the PGA tour dates for 2004 are announced ? Specifically, when is the 2004 Masters being held. Thanks for any help. Haydn.
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Does anyone know when the PGA tour dates for 2004 are announced ? Specifically, when is the 2004 Masters being held. The Masters dates for 2004 will probably be up at masters.org well before the TOUR announces its next year’s schedule (usually around September-October-November of the previous year). BTW, The Masters is not an official TOUR event, even though it is used for stats, money, exemptions, etc. If fact, not of the four majors are PGA TOUR events. They are all run/sanctioned by separate organizations.
The PGA Championship is NOT a Tour event????
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The TOUR never announces its schedule until very late in the year, usually not until after the final official event of the year is held (the TOUR Championship, usually around the first of November). However, there’s an easy way to remember the dates for The Masters. They’re the same every year. The Masters is always held on the first weekend in April AFTER Daylight Savings Time goes into effect.
Thanks for reminding me that I still have to wait two weeks for daylight elimination time to END. :^( Rob — GOP (Golf Only Pledge…I will only initiate golf related threads) Service is the rent we pay for being RSG Masters 2003 ( http://home.att.net/~frostback2002 )
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The PGA Championship is run by the PGA of America. The PGA Tour recognizes the PGA Championship as an official event but does not run the event. The PGA Tour is a different organization that split off from the PGA of America about forty year ago.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone know when the PGA tour dates for 2004 are announced ? Specifically, when is the 2004 Masters being held. The Masters dates for 2004 will probably be up at masters.org well before the TOUR announces its next year’s schedule (usually around September-October-November of the previous year). BTW, The Masters is not an official TOUR event, even though it is used for stats, money, exemptions, etc. If fact, not of the four majors are PGA TOUR events. They are all run/sanctioned by separate organizations. The PGA Championship is NOT a Tour event????
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Does anyone know when the PGA tour dates for 2004 are announced ? Specifically, when is the 2004 Masters being held. Thanks for any help. Haydn.
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Does anyone know when the PGA tour dates for 2004 are announced ? Specifically, when is the 2004 Masters being held.
The Masters dates for 2004 will probably be up at masters.org well before the TOUR announces its next year’s schedule (usually around September-October-November of the previous year). BTW, The Masters is not an official TOUR event, even though it is used for stats, money, exemptions, etc. If fact, not of the four majors are PGA TOUR events. They are all run/sanctioned by separate organizations. Here it is… http://www.masters.org/en_US/info/faq/index.html 5.Q.I’m making plans for 2003; what are those Tournament dates? A.Future dates for the Masters are: 2004 April 5-11 2005 April 4-10 2006 April 3-9 2007 April 2-8 2008 April 7-13 — Washington State University "That shot is impossible!…Jack Nicholson himself couldn’t make it!"– Homer Simpson
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Specifically, when is the 2004 Masters being held.
The Masters always ends on the second Sunday in April.
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The TOUR never announces its schedule until very late in the year, usually not until after the final official event of the year is held (the TOUR Championship, usually around the first of November). However, there’s an easy way to remember the dates for The Masters. They’re the same every year. The Masters is always held on the first weekend in April AFTER Daylight Savings Time goes into effect. This Sunday: Spring Forward. The next Sunday: Final Round at The Masters. Randy
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