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I also swear by my Q-Ray bracelet. I don’t feel that the "if you believe it works then it will…. like voodoo," BS is accurate for me. I purchased the Q-Ray because I have Osteoarthritis in my shoulder
Did a doctor prescribe wearing the Q-Ray? Do ANY reputable doctors prescribe it? Markus, just to let you know, I am also in the medical profession. I sell surgical and medical devices and implants. I am in the Operating Room on a daily basis instructing surgeons on how to use our instruments during surgery, so it’s not like I am a gullible uneducated person who believes in snake oil.
My doctor gave me a cool new pill that he said they just came out with. I’m not too educated about all the wonderful modern medical advancements, but this little pill does wonders. I think it’s called "Placebo" or something like that. I forget all the stuff it has in it, but I think sugar was mentioned. Try it.
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I also swear by my Q-Ray bracelet. I don’t feel that the "if you believe it works then it will…. like voodoo," BS is accurate for me. I purchased the Q-Ray because I have Osteoarthritis in my shoulder
Try this. It’ll do wonders for your wallet: http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/qray.html
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I wouldn’t sleep with anyone with a rubber band around their wrist. Was it the same rubber band for all those years?
I don’t care if she DOES get pregnant – I’m removing this rubber.
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Markus… First mistake is asking RSG posters about such items and hoping for a straight answer. Superstition is common on all tours. I only play with my divit repair tool, a quarter and 1 tee in my right pocket, all other pockets empty.
It’s not superstition to believe that the more things in my pocket, the harder it is to feel around to find my marker. A gazillion professional golfers have similar superstitions. Pay attention the wrists of golfers and instructors on tv. Most are wearing one sort of bracelet or another.
Then go ahead and emulate their superstitions. It’s less work than emulating their game. There’s nothing wrong with believing in a power greater then you.
There could be something very wrong in believing in something that doesn’t exist. Certainly Western religions say this. Of course, I don’t believe copper bracelets are greater than me.
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Within 6 hours I noticed a tingling sensation up and down the arm that I put it on and about a day and a half later, the pain was enormously better. Since then I have turned three of my friends on to Q-Rays and they all swear by them as well. They to purchased them not believing in their working, but found positive benefits.
Your "proof" of why it works is typical of junk science. You have no control group. You are linking a benefit (your pain was better) with a supposed cause, without any linkage of the two at all except they happened to occur at the same time. Here’s an analogy: You eat a cookie before you play your round of golf. You make your first hole in 1 during the round. Therefore, the cookie caused you to get a hole in one. You may be a smart guy, but your analytical reasoning needs some work.
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Here you go: http://www.healthfinder.gov/news/newsstory.asp?docID=510197 The results were strikingly similar for both groups. For example, 75.1 percent of those in the placebo group reported an improved maximum pain score after seven days, compared to 75.7 percent in the ionized bracelet group. The pain relief score after 14 days was 77.7 percent for the placebo group, 76.7 percent for the ionized bracelet wearers. After 28 days, it was 76.7 percent for the placebo group and 77.4 percent for the ionized bracelet group.
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Reminds me of the magnetic bands they sell. It makes sense that the magnet would attract hemoglobin. The only problem is that a magnet strong enough to do any good would wipe all of your credit cards. Not exactly what the marketers want to do!
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I’ve tried magnets with little success, my friend "He’s a pro" swears they help him recover from injury much faster. I didn’t notice enough progress when I wore them to risk demagnetizing my credit cards and atm card 
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Another version. "A fool and his money are rich and stupid." Some elementary school kids were given the following to complete:
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve gotten some pretty bad tennis elbow from golf (I understand tennis elbow is on the outside of the arm, golfer’s elbow is on the inside) and I’ve been wearing a copper bracelet, which has helped a lot — but it still hurts sometimes. I just discovered that the fellow I take golf lessons from wears a Q-Ray bracelet, and he swears by it. Has anyone tried one of these, and if so, how did it work? Thanks — Markus It works on a principle discovered many years ago. It’s called something like – "a fool and his money are easily parted".
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I just discovered that the fellow I take golf lessons from wears a Q-Ray bracelet, and he swears by it. Has anyone tried one of these, and if so, how did it work?
It’s like voodoo. If you believe it works, then it works. I used to wear a loose rubber band around my wrist when I was a teen and I’ve never once had a broken arm and I’ve never been pregnant. So if you live with the possible side-effects like sterilty, then I say go for it.
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I wouldn’t sleep with anyone with a rubber band around their wrist. Was it the same rubber band for all those years?
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just discovered that the fellow I take golf lessons from wears a Q-Ray bracelet, and he swears by it. Has anyone tried one of these, and if so, how did it work? It’s like voodoo. If you believe it works, then it works. I used to wear a loose rubber band around my wrist when I was a teen and I’ve never once had a broken arm and I’ve never been pregnant. So if you live with the possible side-effects like sterilty, then I say go for it.
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Within 6 hours I noticed a tingling sensation up and down the arm that I put it on and about a day and a half later, the pain was enormously better. The pain was enormously better. It was real good pain? Or was it a healthy, strong pain? "How’s your cold?" "Oh, the cold’s as healthy as can be – winning the battle against me".
I’ve still got a supply of Frosty the Halloween Pumpkins….. Rob
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No offence but a doctor, no less than the great Dean Adell of radio fame is backtracking on some "old wives tales". He is now saying that "If you had called me 10 years ago I would have said you didn’t understand scientific experimentation. But now we have tests that you prove you are right." I don’t remember the subject matter but scientists can be as dogmatic as the next group of zealots. How do you argue against a legitimate money back guarantee? Isn’t that the same as refusing to do an experiment? I probably won’t buy one even though 3 of us in my family have chronic pain, but I don’t think it is stupid to give it a try. How many brands are there? Are any getting more valid anecdotal endorsements?
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Within 6 hours I noticed a tingling sensation up and down the arm that I put it on and about a day and a half later, the pain was enormously better. Since then I have turned three of my friends on to Q-Rays and they all swear by them as well. They to purchased them not believing in their working, but found positive benefits. Your "proof" of why it works is typical of junk science. You have no control group. You are linking a benefit (your pain was better) with a supposed cause, without any linkage of the two at all except they happened to occur at the same time. Here’s an analogy: You eat a cookie before you play your round of golf. You make your first hole in 1 during the round. Therefore, the cookie caused you to get a hole in one. You may be a smart guy, but your analytical reasoning needs some work.
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Within 6 hours I noticed a tingling sensation up and down the arm that I put it on and about a day and a half later, the pain was enormously better.
The pain was enormously better. It was real good pain? Or was it a healthy, strong pain? "How’s your cold?" "Oh, the cold’s as healthy as can be – winning the battle against me".
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Markus, I also swear by my Q-Ray bracelet. I don’t feel that the "if you believe it works then it will…. like voodoo," BS is accurate for me. I purchased the Q-Ray because I have Osteoarthritis in my shoulder, but I did so because I was desperate and hoping that anything would work. At the time I totally thought that the Q-Ray would NOT do anything for me. I went to Golf Galaxy, a local retailer that is a distributor for Q-Ray and purchased one. I figured that I can just take it back in a day or two and get my money back without having to deal with mailing/shipping anything back in order to get a credit if it doesn’t help. Within 6 hours I noticed a tingling sensation up and down the arm that I put it on and about a day and a half later, the pain was enormously better. Since then I have turned three of my friends on to Q-Rays and they all swear by them as well. They to purchased them not believing in their working, but found positive benefits. Markus, just to let you know, I am also in the medical profession. I sell surgical and medical devices and implants. I am in the Operating Room on a daily basis instructing surgeons on how to use our instruments during surgery, so it’s not like I am a gullible uneducated person who believes in snake oil. I also agree with the other gentleman who said that you made a mistake asking this question in the group. There are many people in this newsgroup (not everyone obviously) who love to tell you how stupid you are in so many words. Sometimes they sugar coat it and other times they don’t. These same people prefer to use that approach rather than offer anything constructive. I almost wasn’t going to respond to your post at all, because the last time someone posted this same question and I offered my feedback, it sparked a slew of very hostile uninformed attacks on me for what my experience with the Q-Ray was. Just my two cents, buy one, try it for yourself and if you don’t feel that it does anything for you, return it. Good Luck. I just discovered that the fellow I take golf lessons from wears a Q-Ray bracelet, and he swears by it. Has anyone tried one of these, and if so, how did it work? It’s like voodoo. If you believe it works, then it works. I used to wear a loose rubber band around my wrist when I was a teen and I’ve never once had a broken arm and I’ve never been pregnant. So if you live with the possible side-effects like sterilty, then I say go for it.
Thanks in advance!!! Regards, Steve B.
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Im believe in a Power greater than I. What’s that got to do with copper braclets ?
Stick your copper bracelet in the Power socket, and you’ll see. –Blair "Of course, grounding the club drains all that charge, so it’s just a scam."
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – et: I’ve gotten some pretty bad tennis elbow from golf (I understand tennis elbow is on the outside of the arm, golfer’s elbow is on the inside) and I’ve been wearing a copper bracelet, which has helped a lot — but it still hurts sometimes. I just discovered that the fellow I take golf lessons from wears a Q-Ray bracelet, and he swears by it. Has anyone tried one of these, and if so, how did it work? Thanks — Markus Markus… First mistake is asking RSG posters about such items and hoping for a straight answer. Superstition is common on all tours. I only play with my divit repair tool, a quarter and 1 tee in my right pocket, all other pockets empty. A gazillion professional golfers have similiar superstitions. Pay attention the wrists of golfers and instructors on tv. Most are wearing one sort of bracelet or another. There’s nothing wrong with believing in a power greater then you.
Im believe in a Power greater than I. What’s that got to do with copper braclets ?
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I’ve tried magnets with little success, my friend "He’s a pro" swears they help him recover from injury much faster.
Classic Argument from Authority. I didn’t notice enough progress when I wore them to risk demagnetizing my credit cards and atm card
They’re bogus. Here’s some links: http://www.skepdic.com/refuge/qray.html http://www.skepdic.com/regressive.html Scroll down to June 28, 2000 and ROTFLYAO: http://www.skepdic.com/refuge/funk13.html The fact that Butch Harmon sells quack bracelets on TV is sad. He should know better. But apparently all he really knows is he’s getting paid. –Blair "What’s the a good swing-thought for endorsing a bribe check?"
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Zponge — Let’s not be too cynical, the copper bracelet I’ve been wearing has made a big difference for me, and a lot of people think that they are bullshit, so it is possible that some of these things work — although I don’t doubt that most don’t. Markus Sorry but I think that there’s a lot of rubbish talked about such products and very litle evidence that they work. If you say that they work for you then I’ll accept that. But here’s the sort of garbage that is said – "Q-Ray is the best of best in its kind by balancing your body’s Yin and Yang (Negative and Positive Ions)". I wonder how it does this? "Q-Ray may maximize your Flexibility, Speed, Endurance and Power". ANy ads that say may really mean – we can say any rubbish here as it may or maynot be true. "First it was copper, now comes the multimetal Q-Ray Bracelet , which promotes a "non medical" way to better health by "balancing the body’s biomagnetic and electromagnetic currents". The Q-Ray is on the wrists of Gary Player, pros in other sports. The majority experienced relief from stiff joints, achy muscles, or other ailments (a few said it improved their swing). But most thought the bracelet was more attractive than the copper bands and were happy it didn’t leave a green stain on their wrists". I am astounded to think how a magic braclet could balance your biomagnetic and electromagnetic currents – what utter utter bullsh*t. The only advantage that I can see is that they don’t leave a green stain on your wrist. My advice to cure this would be to stop wearing a copper bracelet – it’s the cheapest and most effective way to stop the stain and it may improve your swing and may cure your bad back and may cure your headaches etc. Note that 99% of all golfers who abondon their copper bracelets feel instant relief. Ok I’ll stop and sorry for hijacking what was supposed to be a sensible thread. Please don’t reply to this thread anyone except if you can answer the original question.
Well, I must say that I’ve always carried copper pennies in my right front pants pocket, and ever since I began that, my right leg hasn’t bothered me. <I must also say that it didn’t bother me before, either. In re: Q-Ray bracelet: the only thing that could possibly balance would be the bank account of its hustler. Check out: http://www.randi.org/jr/112202.html for a research study on the efficacy of these gadgets.
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Zponge — Let’s not be too cynical, the copper bracelet I’ve been wearing has made a big difference for me, and a lot of people think that they are bullshit, so it is possible that some of these things work — although I don’t doubt that most don’t. Markus
Sorry but I think that there’s a lot of rubbish talked about such products and very litle evidence that they work. If you say that they work for you then I’ll accept that. But here’s the sort of garbage that is said – "Q-Ray is the best of best in its kind by balancing your body’s Yin and Yang (Negative and Positive Ions)". I wonder how it does this? "Q-Ray may maximize your Flexibility, Speed, Endurance and Power". ANy ads that say may really mean – we can say any rubbish here as it may or maynot be true. "First it was copper, now comes the multimetal Q-Ray Bracelet , which promotes a "non medical" way to better health by "balancing the body’s biomagnetic and electromagnetic currents". The Q-Ray is on the wrists of Gary Player, pros in other sports. The majority experienced relief from stiff joints, achy muscles, or other ailments (a few said it improved their swing). But most thought the bracelet was more attractive than the copper bands and were happy it didn’t leave a green stain on their wrists". I am astounded to think how a magic braclet could balance your biomagnetic and electromagnetic currents – what utter utter bullsh*t. The only advantage that I can see is that they don’t leave a green stain on your wrist. My advice to cure this would be to stop wearing a copper bracelet – it’s the cheapest and most effective way to stop the stain and it may improve your swing and may cure your bad back and may cure your headaches etc. Note that 99% of all golfers who abondon their copper bracelets feel instant relief. Ok I’ll stop and sorry for hijacking what was supposed to be a sensible thread. Please don’t reply to this thread anyone except if you can answer the original question.
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I’ve gotten some pretty bad tennis elbow from golf (I understand tennis elbow is on the outside of the arm, golfer’s elbow is on the inside) and I’ve been wearing a copper bracelet, which has helped a lot — but it still hurts sometimes. I just discovered that the fellow I take golf lessons from wears a Q-Ray bracelet, and he swears by it. Has anyone tried one of these, and if so, how did it work? Thanks — Markus
It works on a principle discovered many years ago. It’s called something like – "a fool and his money are easily parted".
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Zponge — Let’s not be too cynical, the copper bracelet I’ve been wearing has made a big difference for me, and a lot of people think that they are bullshit, so it is possible that some of these things work — although I don’t doubt that most don’t. Markus
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve gotten some pretty bad tennis elbow from golf (I understand tennis elbow is on the outside of the arm, golfer’s elbow is on the inside) and I’ve been wearing a copper bracelet, which has helped a lot — but it still hurts sometimes. I just discovered that the fellow I take golf lessons from wears a Q-Ray bracelet, and he swears by it. Has anyone tried one of these, and if so, how did it work? Thanks — Markus It works on a principle discovered many years ago. It’s called something like – "a fool and his money are easily parted".
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I’ve gotten some pretty bad tennis elbow from golf (I understand tennis elbow is on the outside of the arm, golfer’s elbow is on the inside) and I’ve been wearing a copper bracelet, which has helped a lot — but it still hurts sometimes. I just discovered that the fellow I take golf lessons from wears a Q-Ray bracelet, and he swears by it. Has anyone tried one of these, and if so, how did it work? Thanks — Markus
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I’ve gotten some pretty bad tennis elbow from golf (I understand tennis elbow is on the outside of the arm, golfer’s elbow is on the inside) and I’ve been wearing a copper bracelet, which has helped a lot — but it still hurts sometimes. I just discovered that the fellow I take golf lessons from wears a Q-Ray bracelet, and he swears by it. Has anyone tried one of these, and if so, how did it work?
I hurt a lot too. But there’s no way I am going to look like I’m superstitious or that I believe every miracle cure out there. When something really works we will know.