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From http://www.famoustexans.com/babedidrikson.htm "She met George Zaharias, a well-known professional wrestler and sports promoter, when she qualified at the 1938 Los Angeles Open, a men’s Professional Golfers’ Association tournament."
Did I ever mention that my Dad introduced Tom Weiskopf to his future wife? Weiskopf’s, I mean. –Blair "I probably didn’t."
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actually a number of commentators have mentioned it in relation to Byron Nelson, however I think all agree that his many achievements are still "incredible", irrespective of the circumstances. BTW Byron Nelson had a number of "incredible" achievements — which one are you referring to? I assume you refer to the 18 tournaments he won in 1945, including the 11 in a row — probably the most incredible!!
I looked around for records of the tourneys. I know Snead and Hogan were in them, because I just saw the documentary on the TV the other day, but I can’t find any of the other names. The fields weren’t watered down, and it wouldn’t have mattered, because the best players, and it didn’t matter who was filling-in among the lower echelons. Snead won 11 straight against the best players of his era, and Ted Williams hit .406 *and* flew fighters over the Pacific, war or no war. –Blair "Some shit you just can’t make up."
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<snip Why don’t you mention that anytime Byron Nelson’s "incredible" achievement is mentioned?
Jeff, actually a number of commentators have mentioned it in relation to Byron Nelson, however I think all agree that his many achievements are still "incredible", irrespective of the circumstances. BTW Byron Nelson had a number of "incredible" achievements — which one are you referring to? I assume you refer to the 18 tournaments he won in 1945, including the 11 in a row — probably the most incredible!! Play on. MyQ.
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Jeff, actually a number of commentators have mentioned it in relation to Byron Nelson, however I think all agree that his many achievements are still "incredible", irrespective of the circumstances. BTW Byron Nelson had a number of "incredible" achievements — which one are you referring to? I assume you refer to the 18 tournaments he won in 1945, including the 11 in a row — probably the most incredible!!
Yes, of course. But you call it incredible irrespective of the circumstances. When you talk about Babe, you say "Would it be possible to suggest that many of the younger healthier tour players were off serving their country on foreign shores, somewhat weakening the male presence in the tournament?" You don’t say that it was incredible irrespective of the circumstances.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Los Angeles Open, Jan 5-8, 1945 76, 81 — made second round cut Third round 79 — missed third round cut Phoenix Open, Jan 12-15, 1945 Sponsor’s exemption 77, 72, 75, 80 — made cut Winner Byron Nelson Tucson Open, Jan 19-22, 1945 Made cut — 307 total for T42 Winner Ray Mangrum, runner-up Byron Nelson If I look at the dates, wasn’t something else important going on at that time, like a little World War or something? Would it be possible to suggest that many of the younger healthier tour players were off serving their country on foreign shores, somewhat weakening the male presence in the tournament?
Why don’t you mention that anytime Byron Nelson’s "incredible" achievement is mentioned?
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Tucson Open, Jan 19-22, 1945 Made cut — 307 total for T42 Winner Ray Mangrum, runner-up Byron Nelson If I look at the dates, wasn’t something else important going on at that time, like a little World War or something?
Do *not* kid yourself on this point. Byron Nelson played "the greatest year in golf" that year, and none of the real competition was away. He just plain owned the game for 11 straight weeks. Would it be possible to suggest that many of the younger healthier tour players were off serving their country on foreign shores, somewhat weakening the male presence in the tournament?
Nope. They were there. The Babe was indeed an incredible athlete, but I truly believe her PGA golfing achievement should never be compared to Annika’s.
Only because, except for the top echelon, golfers in that era wouldn’t compete with the current game. Of course it could be said that the Colonial field is weakened because of the absence of some of the world’s top players, including Vijay who is off fighting his own private war.
Vijay and Tiger are out. Is Ernie playing? Doesn’t matter. Taking 3 names off the top doesn’t make the course play any easier. She’ll have to hit a statistic in the middle of the pack to avoid being on a plane Friday night. –Blair "Phil’s there. Probably weaned the young’un."
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With all the hype that has been going around this weeks colonial, several news articles keep mentioning that Babe Dedrikson Zaharias played in a PGA tour event many years ago. However, not one article has mentioned what kind of scores she shot. Does anyone know how well she did?
See http://www.pgatour.com/u/ce/multi/0,1977,6380297,00.html Los Angeles Open, Jan 5-8, 1945 76, 81 — made second round cut Third round 79 — missed third round cut Phoenix Open, Jan 12-15, 1945 Sponsor’s exemption 77, 72, 75, 80 — made cut Winner Byron Nelson Tucson Open, Jan 19-22, 1945 Made cut — 307 total for T42 Winner Ray Mangrum, runner-up Byron Nelson — Cheers Colin Wilson RSG Roll Call: http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=wilsonc Trentham Golf Club: http://www.trenthamgolf.com
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With all the hype that has been going around this weeks colonial, several news articles keep mentioning that Babe Dedrikson Zaharias played in a PGA tour event many years ago. However, not one article has mentioned what kind of scores she shot. Does anyone know how well she did? She made the cut. Don’t know much else.
She only made one cut – they had multiple cuts back then. (The International, and match play competition have multiple cuts now – but we don’t count them when determining how often Tiger makes a cut)
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – With all the hype that has been going around this weeks colonial, several news articles keep mentioning that Babe Dedrikson Zaharias played in a PGA tour event many years ago. However, not one article has mentioned what kind of scores she shot. Does anyone know how well she did? She made the cut. Don’t know much else. She only made one cut – they had multiple cuts back then. (The International, and match play competition have multiple cuts now – but we don’t count them when determining how often Tiger makes a cut)
Actually, I was a little confused when I wrote that. She actually played in 3 events, yet the media often mention it as if she had played in only the one – where she just made the first cut.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – With all the hype that has been going around this weeks colonial, several news articles keep mentioning that Babe Dedrikson Zaharias played in a PGA tour event many years ago. However, not one article has mentioned what kind of scores she shot. Does anyone know how well she did? See http://www.pgatour.com/u/ce/multi/0,1977,6380297,00.html Los Angeles Open, Jan 5-8, 1945 76, 81 — made second round cut Third round 79 — missed third round cut Phoenix Open, Jan 12-15, 1945 Sponsor’s exemption 77, 72, 75, 80 — made cut Winner Byron Nelson Tucson Open, Jan 19-22, 1945 Made cut — 307 total for T42 Winner Ray Mangrum, runner-up Byron Nelson
If I look at the dates, wasn’t something else important going on at that time, like a little World War or something? Would it be possible to suggest that many of the younger healthier tour players were off serving their country on foreign shores, somewhat weakening the male presence in the tournament? The Babe was indeed an incredible athlete, but I truly believe her PGA golfing achievement should never be compared to Annika’s. Of course it could be said that the Colonial field is weakened because of the absence of some of the world’s top players, including Vijay who is off fighting his own private war. Play on. MyQ.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – With all the hype that has been going around this weeks colonial, several news articles keep mentioning that Babe Dedrikson Zaharias played in a PGA tour event many years ago. However, not one article has mentioned what kind of scores she shot. Does anyone know how well she did? See http://www.pgatour.com/u/ce/multi/0,1977,6380297,00.html Los Angeles Open, Jan 5-8, 1945 76, 81 — made second round cut Third round 79 — missed third round cut Phoenix Open, Jan 12-15, 1945 Sponsor’s exemption 77, 72, 75, 80 — made cut Winner Byron Nelson Tucson Open, Jan 19-22, 1945 Made cut — 307 total for T42 Winner Ray Mangrum, runner-up Byron Nelson
You forgot 1938: http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam030516/glf_babe-ap.html "The 1945 Los Angeles Open wasn’t her first time playing on the men’s tour. She also did so at the same event in 1938, getting in simply by filling out an application". From http://www.famoustexans.com/babedidrikson.htm "She met George Zaharias, a well-known professional wrestler and sports promoter, when she qualified at the 1938 Los Angeles Open, a men’s Professional Golfers’ Association tournament."
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With all the hype that has been going around this weeks colonial, several news articles keep mentioning that Babe Dedrikson Zaharias played in a PGA tour event many years ago. However, not one article has mentioned what kind of scores she shot. Does anyone know how well she did?
She made the cut. Don’t know much else.
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With all the hype that has been going around this weeks colonial, several news articles keep mentioning that Babe Dedrikson Zaharias played in a PGA tour event many years ago. However, not one article has mentioned what kind of scores she shot. Does anyone know how well she did? Matt