Overweight pro golfers

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Your figuring on the minimum possible distance. Golf isn’t played that way. Double it and you will be close. There is a lot of walking without even going anywhere and a lot of zigging and zagging. So maybe 300 calories to walk a course. 1800 calories is a pipe dream.

Every figure I’ve ever seen suggests it’s at least 1200 for a 150 pound man. General figure for walking is 100 calories per mile… any speed, 150 pound man. Let’s say 6 miles for a round… 600 calories. Just standing around burns about 100 calories per hour. 5 hour round… 500 calories (yea, I know I’ve overlapped a bit). But that’s 1100 calories.

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This was the last post I read last nite before retiring, and it kept me awake thinking about it (I know, get a life . I just couldn’t see how you’d only burn 300 calories in a four-hour walk on a golf course. My goodness, with a 2000-calorie-a-day diet with which you don’t gain weight, you’re *averaging* over 83 calories an hour, and that’s including rest periods. So a 4-hour walking golf round would have to be at least 332 calories, right? And that’s got to be the floor number of calories burned for a person on a no-weight-gain 2000-calorie diet. I checked out the web for a calorie exercise calculator, and found this one: http://www.caloriecontrol.org/exercalc.html I don’t vouch for its accuracy, but they don’t appear to have any ax to grind, so let’s accept it as reasonably accurate for now (willing to accept others’ evaluation of it, of course). Here’s what it says: For the activity "Golfing (no carts, please)", which takes 4 hours, a 150-pound golfer will burn 1044 calories. Here’s the interesting thing: according to the calculator, a 230-pound golfer (me!) will burn, during the same time, 1600.8 calories. Other observations: I presume they’ve included carrying or pulling 20 pounds-worth of clubs/bag/balls/etc. in that. What’s interesting to me is that the amount of calories burned is quite dependent on the weight of the golfer, so to say as a generalization that golfing burns "x" number of calories is simply not going to work. It’s not apparent what kind of course they’re talking about. My local course is fairly hilly; it’s harder to walk it carrying or pulling clubs than it is to walk a relatively flat course. So I’d presume I burn more calories on my course than other flatter courses. Of course, you’re not going to lose the "x" calories of weight the calculator says; you’ll only lose the calories over and above the number you’d otherwise have burned. For the most sedentary activity I could find to compare–watching TV–in my case (230 pounds) according to the calculator, I’d burn 441.6 calories. So walking while golfing, for me, would burn about 1159.2 calories–at maximum–more than most anything else I might be doing. They do note, as a disclaimer, "Note: Figures are based on moderate (as opposed to vigorous) activity. A heavier person burns more calories, so the same amount of physical activity can actually burn the same number of calories but more quickly. But remember, exercising harder and faster only increases the calories expended slightly. To burn more calories it is better to exercise for a longer time." and "Determining how many calories you burn is not an exact science. This number should only be used as an estimate of calorie expenditure. " Mike — Mike Dalecki GCA Accredited Clubmaker http://clubdoctor.com RSG-Wisconsin 2003 Information: http://dalecki.net/rsgwis2003 RSG Roll Call: http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=daleckim I do not patronize spammers. Help keep RSG clean!

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Snip… So if Tiger played a 5 hour round that would be 2,460 calories burned,

Huh? 294*5 = 1470… not 2460?

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How come Shaq isn’t a jockey in the Kentucky Derby? People are made different. tim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Which brings me back to my point: How can there be fat pro golfers, unless they pig out at the buffet table? The math just doesn’t add up.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This source http://www.fitresource.com/Fitness/CalBurn.htm and this source http://www.nutristrategy.com/activitylist.htm say that a 175 pound person burns 492 calories per HOUR playing golf. How many hours a week do you think pro golfers spend playing golf, not to even mention practicing. Lets see that chart says you burn 294 calories/hour playing golf with a cart and 336 calories/hour for general gymnastics. What? Huh? Playing golf with cart is basically sitting for 55 minutes, swinging 1 minute and walking 4 minutes, and according to that chart you only burn 10% less calories then general gymnastics? This article http://www.egolfweekly.com/2002/columns/guestcolumns/halpert_goodride… states that the author logged in 7.1 actual miles during a round of golf on a 6200 yard course. Yep, I can believe that. I don’t know what size bagel your eating, but a plain bagel and a cheeseburger at McDonalds both contain 350 calories each. A fresh standard bagel that is usually sold at restaurants and bakeries, I think its 200 grams. You call that thing served at Mcdonalds a bagel? A Bud Light, my standard beer, has only 96 calories. A regular Coke has 140 calories. Keep in mind all calories are not the same. For instance calories from protien and fat are harder for you body to convert into energy than calories from simple carbohydrates. (Refer to any of the high fat and protein diets these days.) Stop reading those books, a calorie is a calorie, read a physics book. It may take longer for the body to extract the energy from protein, but… wait why are we even talking about this

In the past calories from alcohol and fat were treated the same. There is some new studies that indicate that your body does not metabolize 100% of alcohol calories consumed. In other words you piss it away. If this turns out to be true, then in one sense all calories are not equal anymore. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – To have a body like Tiger your talking 2 hours/5 days week training and a perfect diet 29 days out of a month, unless you gifted with a great set of genes. So if Tiger played a 5 hour round that would be 2,460 calories burned, which means he would need to consume about 6 cheeseburgers and wash them down with a six pack of Bud Light just to make up for the round of golf. This doesn’t take into account him going to the range after the round and hitting balls until dark. The 2,460 calories is bogus. I have played daily rounds of golf for weeks on end (walking, carrying bag) and my daily intake varies from 2200-2600 calories total (I’m 6 foot, 175 pounds), I would be dead long ago according to that table.

That is too high… 175 pound man… more like 1400 or 1500 per round (walk n carry). Which brings me back to my point: How can there be fat pro golfers, unless they pig out at the buffet table? The math just doesn’t add up. It dosen’t add up because the tables you referenced don’t reflect reality.

Still… they eat a lot. OTOH… there are a few fat NBA basketball players. Even harder to see how this can happen. If you will notice, even Tiger has put on a few pounds in the last 5 years. Mostly lean muscle mass, but in order to gain weight of any kind, he has to be eating more calories than is required for him to play golf, work out, date , etc.

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I’d put it more like 1200 for 180 holes, carrying your bag, 150 pound man. Simply walking unladen does about 100 calories per mile for a 150 pound man… at any speed. An intense hour at the driving range will be about 250 calories. I’m 52, walk 18 holes carrying a bag most days, eat mostly low fat no calorie stuff, and haven’t exactly been wasting away. What walking will do for you is build up muscle and endurance and give you a modest cardio vascular boost.

If you do add some muscle, you will increase your calorie burnining capacity and should loose more weight and faster… As for overweight golfers, they are probably just like overweight people everywhere — their genes program them to put on weight and unless they take significant steps to avoid food and get a lot more intensive excercise than walking a golf course they are going to get and stay heavy. Of course I doubt that these guys actually walk most of their practice rounds, but they do stay in good enough shape to walk 36 in a day in high heat without letting it hurt their performance.

Even if they only walk 4 rounds… they probably do that 30 weeks a year (at least). At 1200 calories per round (they don’t carry clubs), that’s 4800 calories per week (about 1.3 pounds per week), times 30 weeks = 144000 calories, divided by 3500 (calories in a pound) is just over 41 pounds per year. That’s roughly the same as someone that drinks three 12 ounce (150 calorie) soft drinks per day (365) switching to water… about 45 pounds worth of calories. But this person is not getting any of the benefits of activity, like muscle building, cardio etc. To not loose any weight, a tour pro has to consume a enought calories to offset what they burn playing golf. Someone that is all muscle and little fat like Tiger will burn calories at a higher rate than say John Daly (if they are similar weights). A normal 180 pound man might need 2300 calories per day to maintain 180 pounds with normal activity. Tiger *may* need nearly 4000. Suprisingly the estimates for palying golf with a powered cart comes in at arouund 2/3 of walk and carry… you still walk a lot even when you ride.

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Running burns about 450 calories an hour on the flat. I run 7 to 8 miles an hour, which means it would take me about half an hour to run a golf course. So maybe 300 calories to walk a course. 1800 calories is a pipe dream.

450 calories an hour ? Maybe if you’re 100 pounds….one’s weight has a significant influence on how many calories a person burns at most activities. If I ran 7 MPH I would burn closer to 1200 to 1400 calories per hour. Walking 7 miles would easily burn roughly the same. Walking / running the same distance burns essentially the SAME number of calories.

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I’m just refering to sources to back-up my claim. Do you have any sources to refute them, or just your own opinion. A fresh standard bagel that is usually sold at restaurants and bakeries, I think its 200 grams. You call that thing served at Mcdonalds a bagel?

Look… I know what a bagel is, I was simply using the McDonalds bagel as an example of typical calories. For instance calories from protien and fat are harder for you body to convert into energy than calories from simple carbohydrates. (Refer to any of the high fat and protein diets these days.) Stop reading those books, a calorie is a calorie, read a physics book. It may take longer for the body to extract the energy from protein, but… wait why are we even talking about this

No. A calorie is not a calorie. There has been more research on this subject than you can shake a stick at and planty of studies to back this up. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – To have a body like Tiger your talking 2 hours/5 days week training and a perfect diet 29 days out of a month, unless you gifted with a great set of genes. So if Tiger played a 5 hour round that would be 2,460 calories burned, which means he would need to consume about 6 cheeseburgers and wash them down with a six pack of Bud Light just to make up for the round of golf. This doesn’t take into account him going to the range after the round and hitting balls until dark. The 2,460 calories is bogus. I have played daily rounds of golf for weeks on end (walking, carrying bag) and my daily intake varies from 2200-2600 calories total (I’m 6 foot, 175 pounds), I would be dead long ago according to that table.

Perhaps you should come up with your own calorie charts that would be more accurate than all of the ones in the diet books. You can base them all on anecdotal evidence and not scientific research. If you trained wisely with weights 30 minutes 3x per week, practiced your golf 2x per week, played 36 holes per week and ate a sensible diet including moderate beer, wine and deserts, you could have a nice body and a pretty damn good golf game too. Well I don’t know what you mean by nice so its hard to agree or disagree with you.

I guess we could change the "nice body" part to "an optimim body for the individual’s genetic make-up". Perhaps that would sound more politically correct. Which brings me back to my point: How can there be fat pro golfers, unless they pig out at the buffet table? The math just doesn’t add up. It dosen’t add up because the tables you referenced don’t reflect reality.

Like I said… Maybe your own charts would be more accurate. What is your point? Pro golfers don’t burn but maybe 500 more calories a day than the average Joe and that extra banana and granola bar at the turn is what makes some of them overweight?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I read recently on some website that when you walk and carry your bag during a round of golf that you burn over 1800 calories. I, myself, have lost from 185 down to 175 since I resumed playing this season, and I look pretty good for a 41 year old guy, even when I don’t hit the weights like I should. I walk only 27 holes a week and go to the range once a week. If I ate like I eat now and played as much as the pros do I would look like a Kenyan distance runner. That doesn’t account for all those post round brews and brats at the turn Seriously though I think that figure has to be bogus. I’m 52, walk 18 holes carrying a bag most days, eat mostly low fat no calorie stuff, and haven’t exactly been wasting away. What walking will do for you is build up muscle and endurance and give you a modest cardio vascular boost. As for overweight golfers, they are probably just like overweight people everywhere — their genes program them to put on weight and unless they take significant steps to avoid food and get a lot more intensive excercise than walking a golf course they are going to get and stay heavy. Of course I doubt that these guys actually walk most of their practice rounds, but they do stay in good enough shape to walk 36 in a day in high heat without letting it hurt their performance.

Heat is not a factor…the exercise comes from moving. A 7000 yard course is just under 7 clicks…which is approx 4 miles. In terms of burning calories it’s the total distance moved…stopping has little to do with total calorie burn. Walking 4 miles a day would be great exercise for most. My guess is that the heavier golfers do eat a good size buffet. Eating low fat is no guarentee that you are eating low calorie…

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Lets see that chart says you burn 294 calories/hour playing golf with a cart and 336 calories/hour for general gymnastics. What? Huh? Playing golf with cart is basically sitting for 55 minutes, swinging 1 minute and walking 4 minutes, and according to that chart you only burn 10% less calories then general gymnastics? This article http://www.egolfweekly.com/2002/columns/guestcolumns/halpert_goodride… states that the author logged in 7.1 actual miles during a round of golf on a 6200 yard course.

Yep, I can believe that. I don’t know what size bagel your eating, but a plain bagel and a cheeseburger at McDonalds both contain 350 calories each.

A fresh standard bagel that is usually sold at restaurants and bakeries, I think its 200 grams. You call that thing served at Mcdonalds a bagel? A Bud Light, my standard beer, has only 96 calories. A regular Coke has 140 calories. Keep in mind all calories are not the same.

For instance calories from protien and fat are harder for you body to convert into energy than calories from simple carbohydrates. (Refer to any of the high fat and protein diets these days.)

Stop reading those books, a calorie is a calorie, read a physics book. It may take longer for the body to extract the energy from protein, but… wait why are we even talking about this To have a body like Tiger your talking 2 hours/5 days week training and a perfect diet 29 days out of a month, unless you gifted with a great set of genes. So if Tiger played a 5 hour round that would be 2,460 calories burned, which means he would need to consume about 6 cheeseburgers and wash them down with a six pack of Bud Light just to make up for the round of golf. This doesn’t take into account him going to the range after the round and hitting balls until dark.

The 2,460 calories is bogus. I have played daily rounds of golf for weeks on end (walking, carrying bag) and my daily intake varies from 2200-2600 calories total (I’m 6 foot, 175 pounds), I would be dead long ago according to that table. If you trained wisely with weights 30 minutes 3x per week, practiced your golf 2x per week, played 36 holes per week and ate a sensible diet including moderate beer, wine and deserts, you could have a nice body and a pretty damn good golf game too.

Well I don’t know what you mean by nice so its hard to agree or disagree with you. Which brings me back to my point: How can there be fat pro golfers, unless they pig out at the buffet table? The math just doesn’t add up.

It dosen’t add up because the tables you referenced don’t reflect reality.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I read recently on some website that when you walk and carry your bag during a round of golf that you burn over 1800 calories. I, myself, have lost from 185 down to 175 since I resumed playing this season, and I look pretty good for a 41 year old guy, even when I don’t hit the weights like I should. I walk only 27 holes a week and go to the range once a week. If I ate like I eat now and played as much as the pros do I would look like a Kenyan distance runner. Pro golfers, I would assume, walk at least 5 rounds a week, practice often and follow some sort of fitness regimen. I don’t see how any of them can be overweight, unless they have some sort of all you can eat buffet every night at the PGA and LPGA events. It seems to me if they all simply ate reasonably and hit the weights just a little, they would all have bodies similar to Tiger or Annika. What’s the deal? Do all of the overweight ones simply eat like Refridgerator Perry? There is no way its anywhere near 1800 calories. Walking 5 miles burns 500 calories for an average size male. Add a 20 lb bag, maybe 600 calories. A bagel is 650 calories without any butter or sour cream, so its very easy to replace the calories with a single snack, and thats assuming you eat perfect the rest of the day. Add a slab of butter here and there, a beer, any resturant food and its fat city. I suppose eating out is the biggest problem for them to maintain any kind of decent diet. To have a body like Tiger your talking 2 hours/5 days week training and a perfect diet 29 days out of a month, unless you gifted with a great set of genes. If you played as much as the pros you wouldn’t eat like you eat now, your appetite would increase.

He’s right…walking with someone else carrying your bag will burn at most 500 calaries over resting rate. Suck down two sodas or a dog at the turn or a couple of gatorades and you break even. Walking a golf course is great exercise. However, to be truly fit, you need to do a whole lot more.

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Which brings me back to my point: How can there be fat pro golfers, unless they pig out at the buffet table? The math just doesn’t add up.

So why do you insist that the math is correct? Seriously, walking 18 holes with a caddy at a leisury tempo is not much of an exercise. It will barely raise your heart rate at all. Who knows if they walk or ride when their caddy is not around. Beating balls at a range is not much of an exercise if you take your time between each shot as I’ve been told the pros do. (Was it Snead that said that he could hit balls a whole day without getting tired?) Besides, when they talk about going to the range, do they beat balls, or work on short game? — -asbjxrn

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I stated in the last post that I agree that in some cases genetics plays a part. You are beating a dead horse with the genetic arguement. Go for insurance. If you are in top shape and have no health problems I can still get a better rate if both my parents are living and yours died early. Genetics. I’m not saying there aren’t fat slobs who eat and do nothing and don’t try, but you shouldn’t categorize them into one lump.

I’m not trying to categorize anyone. I’m simply trying to say that ALL pro golfers (the thin ones and the heavy ones) surely need to eat a lot of food just to maintain, not to mention actually gain weight, regardless of genetics. I know guys like you who were in tip top shape at 41 and dead from a coronary the next year. Look at David Letterman. Has a family history of heart disease and his father dropped dead at 52 and Letterman had a quintuple bypass several years ago. He’s thin as a rail.

Healthy people have heart attacks and people like my wife’s grandfather who’ve smoked since they were 15 are still alive and working at 80. That is anecdotal evidence. There exceptions to every rule and statistic, but averages are still averages. On the average, if you exercise you are going to be healthier, if you eat more calories than you expend you are going to gain weight, and if you smoke you increase you chances of early death. It’s not as simple as you think.

I think it is and I stand by my original statment: "If you trained wisely with weights 30 minutes 3x per week, practiced your golf 2x per week, played 36 holes per week and ate a sensible diet including moderate beer, wine and deserts, you could have a nice body and a pretty damn good golf game too." I guess we could change the "nice body" part to "an optimim body for the individual’s genetic make-up". Perhaps that would sound more politically correct.

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PS: May I use your last line as part of my sig file. No one’s ever flamed me like that before, and that’s a pretty good line. Regards, Mark Downing "Now, go pump some iron you dingle berry brained chuckling chump, and if I’ve said anything to offend you, I meant it." [Ryan]

Just having some fun. No harm no foul.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – An average active 30 year old 6′-0" and 185# needs about 2500 maintenance calories. Add to that another 2500 calories burned playing golf everyday. Add to that another 500 – 1000 practicing and your talking 5500 calories a pro golfer would need to consume every day just to break even. So for an average 30 year old, 6′-0", 85#, pro golfer to actually gain weight they would need to consume about 6000 calories a day. Go actually look at a calorie counter book and any way you slice it that is a lot of food. The way I figure it a pro golfer would need to eat a lot of food just to *maintain* his/her weight much less gain weight and become heavy set. I know this from personal experience trying to gain weight while weight training several years ago. I tried to get up to 200# and found it very difficult to consume in the 5000 calorie range per day. Expecially if you are trying to eat reasonably healthy. I think you’re assuming that I have something against fat people. I don’t. I love to eat. I just wish I could play golf everyday, make a lot of money, eat 5500 calories worth of good food and still be healthy.

Yada, yada yada. I know guys I play with that eat all they want. Get NO exercise, unless you call putting your clubs on the cart exertion, and still weigh 170 lbs. I know people who eat the right things, and still have a weight problem and high cholesterol. I weigh 175 lbs. My blood pressure is a constant 110/70, sugar is 98 and my cholesterol is 95. You know why? Because my mother is alive at 72, her mother is alive at 90 and my fathers mother is alive at 98. My father is dead only because he smoked himself into an early grave. Genetics is a lot if not most of it. Go for insurance. If you are in top shape and have no health problems I can still get a better rate if both my parents are living and yours died early. Genetics. I’m not saying there aren’t fat slobs who eat and do nothing and don’t try, but you shouldn’t categorize them into one lump. I know guys like you who were in tip top shape at 41 and dead from a coronary the next year. Look at David Letterman. Has a family history of heart disease and his father dropped dead at 52 and Letterman had a quintuple bypass several years ago. He’s thin as a rail. It’s not as simple as you think.

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I wasn’t trying to make fun of anyone. I love to eat. That is one of the reasons I exercise… so I can enjoy more food. Now, go pump some iron you dingle berry brained chuckling chump, and if I’ve said anything to offend you, I meant it.

I’m simply trying to have a conversation here. I don’t understand why you are attacking me personally. If you don’t have anything knowledgeable, intelligent or funny to add why waste your own time? (That is a rhetorical question. You don’t have to answer.) I am sorry if I have obviously offended you, or anyone else for that matter. That is not why I take part in the Usenet. PS: May I use your last line as part of my sig file. No one’s ever flamed me like that before, and that’s a pretty good line. Regards, Mark Downing "Now, go pump some iron you dingle berry brained chuckling chump, and if I’ve said anything to offend you, I meant it." [Ryan]

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1. It’s not a conclusion, it’s a hypothesis: "Overweight pro golfers probably eat a lot of food." He may have a nutritionist. His mother is Thai and they aren’t known as fat people. His father wasn’t heavy until later in life and that may be due to medical conditions.

2. I agree with you there. Genetics do play a part. I don’t want to get hung up on Tiger; he’s not your typical pro golfer. I was merely using him as an example. A medium pepperoni pizza (and we are talking a fairly thin pizza – not Chicago style) – 2000 calories. And most guys, including myself, would have no trouble eating that. Where I come from, we have the thickest pizzas known to man. I’d hate to know the stats.

3. This is where the moderation comes in. Sure, I too can eat a whole pizza, but it’s not the smartest thing to do for your overall health and fitness. I think most normal people would refer to eating a whole pizza as "pigging out". Now you’ve shown your ignorance using the term Refrigerator Perry and Pigs.

4. Refrigerator Perry, I can guarantee you, ate a lot of food, and wasn’t ashamed about it either. And I never used the word "pigs" I said "pig out at the buffet table". There is nothing wrong with that. I did just that at the "all you can eat" seafood place at the gulf on Saturday, and I’m proud of it. I also played a round of golf that day and carried my bag… calories burned up and then some. Why don’t you do some research. It’s a lot easier to form an opinion when you have only a few of the facts.

5. I have done research and I’m not forming an opinion, I’m presenting a hypothesis. Here are the facts of the math: An average active 30 year old 6′-0" and 185# needs about 2500 maintenance calories. Add to that another 2500 calories burned playing golf everyday. Add to that another 500 – 1000 practicing and your talking 5500 calories a pro golfer would need to consume every day just to break even. So for an average 30 year old, 6′-0", 85#, pro golfer to actually gain weight they would need to consume about 6000 calories a day. Go actually look at a calorie counter book and any way you slice it that is a lot of food. The way I figure it a pro golfer would need to eat a lot of food just to *maintain* his/her weight much less gain weight and become heavy set. I know this from personal experience trying to gain weight while weight training several years ago. I tried to get up to 200# and found it very difficult to consume in the 5000 calorie range per day. Expecially if you are trying to eat reasonably healthy. I think you’re assuming that I have something against fat people. I don’t. I love to eat. I just wish I could play golf everyday, make a lot of money, eat 5500 calories worth of good food and still be healthy.

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Seriously though I think that figure has to be bogus. I’m 52, walk 18 holes carrying a bag most days, eat mostly low fat no calorie stuff, and haven’t exactly been wasting away. What walking will do for you is build up muscle and endurance and give you a modest cardio vascular boost. As for overweight golfers, they are probably just like overweight people everywhere — their genes program them to put on weight and unless they take significant steps to avoid food and get a lot more intensive exercise than walking a golf course they are going to get and stay heavy.

Exercise makes me hungry. On weekends days when I don’t golf, I tend to skip either breakfast or lunch (while I am not big, I still would like to lose a bit), but I don’t do this when that energy is going to be used. Of course I doubt that these guys actually walk most of their practice rounds, but they do stay in good enough shape to walk 36 in a day in high heat without letting it hurt their performance.

I wonder if your doubts are warranted. I also wonder how many of their practice rounds are accompanied by their caddies. When Tiger hires a caddy, does that caddy move to live near Tiger?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I read recently on some website that when you walk and carry your bag during a round of golf that you burn over 1800 calories. I, myself, have lost from 185 down to 175 since I resumed playing this season, and I look pretty good for a 41 year old guy, even when I don’t hit the weights like I should. I walk only 27 holes a week and go to the range once a week. If I ate like I eat now and played as much as the pros do I would look like a Kenyan distance runner. Pro golfers, I would assume, walk at least 5 rounds a week, practice often and follow some sort of fitness regimen. I don’t see how any of them can be overweight, unless they have some sort of all you can eat buffet every night at the PGA and LPGA events. It seems to me if they all simply ate reasonably and hit the weights just a little, they would all have bodies similar to Tiger or Annika. What’s the deal? Do all of the overweight ones simply eat like Refridgerator Perry?

There is no way its anywhere near 1800 calories. Walking 5 miles burns 500 calories for an average size male. Add a 20 lb bag, maybe 600 calories. A bagel is 650 calories without any butter or sour cream, so its very easy to replace the calories with a single snack, and thats assuming you eat perfect the rest of the day. Add a slab of butter here and there, a beer, any resturant food and its fat city. I suppose eating out is the biggest problem for them to maintain any kind of decent diet. To have a body like Tiger your talking 2 hours/5 days week training and a perfect diet 29 days out of a month, unless you gifted with a great set of genes. If you played as much as the pros you wouldn’t eat like you eat now, your appetite would increase.

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If you trained wisely with weights 30 minutes 3x per week, practiced your golf 2x per week, played 36 holes per week and ate a sensible diet including moderate beer, wine and deserts, you could have a nice body and a pretty damn good golf game too. Which brings me back to my point: How can there be fat pro golfers, unless they pig out at the buffet table? The math just doesn’t add up.

Is that a conclusion or simply the place where you got tired of thinking? Ever heard of genetics? Ever been on tour? Ever ate out every night for weeks? Some pro golfers aren’t as lucky as Woods who can pick and choose where and when he eats. He may have a nutritionist. His mother is Thai and they aren’t known as fat people. His father wasn’t heavy until later in life and that may be due to medical conditions. A medium pepperoni pizza(and we are talking a fairly thin pizza – not Chicago style) – 2000 calories. And most guys, including myself, would have no trouble eating that. Where I come from, we have the thickest pizzas known to man. I’d hate to know the stats. Now you’ve shown your ignorance using the term Refrigerator Perry and Pigs. Why don’t you do some research. It’s a lot easier to form an opinion when you have only a few of the facts.

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There is no way its anywhere near 1800 calories. Walking 5 miles burns 500 calories for an average size male. Add a 20 lb bag, maybe 600 calories.

This source http://www.fitresource.com/Fitness/CalBurn.htm and this source http://www.nutristrategy.com/activitylist.htm say that a 175 pound person burns 492 calories per HOUR playing golf. How many hours a week do you think pro golfers spend playing golf, not to even mention practicing. This article http://www.egolfweekly.com/2002/columns/guestcolumns/halpert_goodride… states that the author logged in 7.1 actual miles during a round of golf on a 6200 yard course. A bagel is 650 calories without any butter or sour cream, so its very easy to replace the calories with a single snack, and thats assuming you eat perfect the rest of the day. Add a slab of butter here and there, a beer, any resturant food and its fat city. I suppose eating out is the biggest problem for them to maintain any kind of decent diet.

I don’t know what size bagel your eating, but a plain bagel and a cheeseburger at McDonalds both contain 350 calories each. A Bud Light, my standard beer, has only 96 calories. A regular Coke has 140 calories. Keep in mind all calories are not the same. For instance calories from protien and fat are harder for you body to convert into energy than calories from simple carbohydrates. (Refer to any of the high fat and protein diets these days.) To have a body like Tiger your talking 2 hours/5 days week training and a perfect diet 29 days out of a month, unless you gifted with a great set of genes.

So if Tiger played a 5 hour round that would be 2,460 calories burned, which means he would need to consume about 6 cheeseburgers and wash them down with a six pack of Bud Light just to make up for the round of golf. This doesn’t take into account him going to the range after the round and hitting balls until dark. If you trained wisely with weights 30 minutes 3x per week, practiced your golf 2x per week, played 36 holes per week and ate a sensible diet including moderate beer, wine and deserts, you could have a nice body and a pretty damn good golf game too. Which brings me back to my point: How can there be fat pro golfers, unless they pig out at the buffet table? The math just doesn’t add up.

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Everyone can’t be perfect, and neither are you. You may suffer from premature ejaculation and piss off your wife. Does that mean I should make fun of people with the condition and call them 2 minute warnings? Now, go pump some iron you dingle berry brained chuckling chump, and if I’ve said anything to offend you, I meant it.

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I read recently on some website that when you walk and carry your bag during a round of golf that you burn over 1800 calories. I, myself, have lost from 185 down to 175 since I resumed playing this season, and I look pretty good for a 41 year old guy, even when I don’t hit the weights like I should. I walk only 27 holes a week and go to the range once a week. If I ate like I eat now and played as much as the pros do I would look like a Kenyan distance runner. Pro golfers, I would assume, walk at least 5 rounds a week, practice often and follow some sort of fitness regimen. I don’t see how any of them can be overweight, unless they have some sort of all you can eat buffet every night at the PGA and LPGA events. It seems to me if they all simply ate reasonably and hit the weights just a little, they would all have bodies similar to Tiger or Annika. What’s the deal? Do all of the overweight ones simply eat like Refridgerator Perry?

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That doesn’t account for all those post round brews and brats at the turn Seriously though I think that figure has to be bogus. I’m 52, walk 18 holes carrying a bag most days, eat mostly low fat no calorie stuff, and haven’t exactly been wasting away. What walking will do for you is build up muscle and endurance and give you a modest cardio vascular boost. As for overweight golfers, they are probably just like overweight people everywhere — their genes program them to put on weight and unless they take significant steps to avoid food and get a lot more intensive excercise than walking a golf course they are going to get and stay heavy. Of course I doubt that these guys actually walk most of their practice rounds, but they do stay in good enough shape to walk 36 in a day in high heat without letting it hurt their performance. — http://home.att.net/~wamontgomery )

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