In fact, the ONLY time we’ve had a problem with any direct debit is when our house was paid off (and we didn’t realize it). The mortgage holder somehow couldn’t bill us for the small amount due, so took out nothing. Four months later, they threatened us with foreclosure over $172. That was actually quite funny.
How long did it take to become funny? 
In fact, the ONLY time we’ve had a problem with any direct debit is when our house was paid off (and we didn’t realize it). The mortgage holder somehow couldn’t bill us for the small amount due, so took out nothing. Four months later, they threatened us with foreclosure over $172. That was actually quite funny.
I once played at a gig that was a golf tournament, hosted by Lee Trevino. Several months after the gig, they sent me a check for 50 cents. They had made some accounting error and owed me the additional half dollar. I never cashed it. For months I got letters from his accountants asking me to cash it because carrying it on their books was causing them all sorts of grief. Craig
In fact, the ONLY time we’ve had a problem with any direct debit is when our house was paid off (and we didn’t realize it). The mortgage holder somehow couldn’t bill us for the small amount due, so took out nothing. Four months later, they threatened us with foreclosure over $172. That was actually quite funny. How long did it take to become funny?
Two hours….and some yelling at Washington Mutual, who told us "that was part of the agreement you signed with us when you took out your mortage". "No, it wasn’t. You bought our mortgage twenty years after origination." Kris
I once played at a gig that was a golf tournament, hosted by Lee Trevino. Several months after the gig, they sent me a check for 50 cents. They had made some accounting error and owed me the additional half dollar. I never cashed it. For months I got letters from his accountants asking me to cash it because carrying it on their books was causing them all sorts of grief.
How much did you charge them to cash that check? Anything up to a stop-payment fee should’ve been worth their while. Way back in 1979, after one year in my first "real job," I qualified for one share of Pullman-Standard stock. I left the company two days later. The damned dividend check, never more than 50 cents, followed me from Chicago to Houston, Denver to Anaheim, and back to Denver over the next several years, even when I left no forwarding address. It didn’t stop until P-S went under. My alma mater’s alumni association is similarly tenacious, even though I’ve never sent them a cent in 30 years.
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In fact, the ONLY time we’ve had a problem with any direct debit is when our house was paid off (and we didn’t realize it). The mortgage holder somehow couldn’t bill us for the small amount due, so took out nothing. Four months later, they threatened us with foreclosure over $172. That was actually quite funny. How long did it take to become funny? Two hours….and some yelling at Washington Mutual, who told us "that was part of the agreement you signed with us when you took out your mortage". "No, it wasn’t. You bought our mortgage twenty years after origination." Kris
Be sure to check your credit reports.
Be sure to check your credit reports.
You can now check them for free once annually; the three major credit agencies have even collaborated on a website that streamlines the process: <http://www.annualcreditreport.com/. Make sure to get printouts of everything, as once you leave the various agency sites you can’t go back and view it again without paying. -Bertha — Gotta run, the cat’s caught in the printer.
I suspect that PayPal and its debit card users were selected as Bank One’s guinea pigs.
Chase bought Bank One recently. Bank One supplies our business line of credit. It may be one of their integration issues since they are moving way to fast to mash the two together.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "…Direct Pay, the easiest way to pay your eBay seller fees. To sign up, first go to www.ebay.com. Go to My eBay by clicking on the button at the top of any eBay page, and choose "Accounts". Then, select "Use a checking account for automatic payments". This blurb tells me nothing useful. What are your opinions of "Direct Pay"? I’m really wary of it. Several months ago, sellers were dinged twice for their monthly fees. (eBay finally gave them their money back, but refused any responsibility for any overdraft charges some sellers incurred as a result. That is going, or went to, court.) Right now, PayPal is having trouble with their debit cards, taking the money out twice. Lots of problems in a relatively short time, with a not-so-fast response by the parties involved. A
I signed up for eBay fees to come from my business checking, back in January 1997. There’s never been a problem. In fact, the ONLY time we’ve had a problem with any direct debit is when our house was paid off (and we didn’t realize it). The mortgage holder somehow couldn’t bill us for the small amount due, so took out nothing. Four months later, they threatened us with foreclosure over $172. That was actually quite funny. Kris
"…Direct Pay, the easiest way to pay your eBay seller fees. To sign up, first go to www.ebay.com. Go to My eBay by clicking on the button at the top of any eBay page, and choose "Accounts". Then, select "Use a checking account for automatic payments". This blurb tells me nothing useful. What are your opinions of "Direct Pay"? I’m really wary of it. Several months ago, sellers were dinged twice for their monthly fees.
Not this seller, nor have I had any similar problems with eBay or PayPal. Comes of living a life of rectitude, I guess. Right now, PayPal is having trouble with their debit cards, taking the money out twice.
Even thrice, in a few lucky cases. Lots of problems in a relatively short time, with a not-so-fast response by the parties involved.
Unfortunately, PayPal is as powerless to fix the debit card problem as cardholders are. The card is issued by Bank One. TSYS currently processes Bank One’s credit card transactions. Bank One is slowly learning how to process them in-house, which may be the source of this difficulty. http://tinyurl.com/7onez "The deal calls for Bank One to convert its 50 million credit-card accounts to TSYS’ state-of-the-art processing platform, called TS2, by late summer 2004. That’s when Bank One’s contract with First Data Corp. expires. First Data is TSYS’ chief competitor. "TSYS is expected to process Bank One’s accounts through late summer 2006. At that point, Bank One will begin processing cards itself using the TS2 technology and paying TSYS a software licensing fee. It will be the first time the company has licensed its processing software." I suspect that PayPal and its debit card users were selected as Bank One’s guinea pigs.
"…Direct Pay, the easiest way to pay your eBay seller fees. To sign up, first go to www.ebay.com. Go to My eBay by clicking on the button at the top of any eBay page, and choose "Accounts". Then, select "Use a checking account for automatic payments". This blurb tells me nothing useful. What are your opinions of "Direct Pay"?
"…Direct Pay, the easiest way to pay your eBay seller fees. To sign up, first go to www.ebay.com. Go to My eBay by clicking on the button at the top of any eBay page, and choose "Accounts". Then, select "Use a checking account for automatic payments". This blurb tells me nothing useful. What are your opinions of "Direct Pay"?
Works great if you have money in your checking account.
"…Direct Pay, the easiest way to pay your eBay seller fees. To sign up, first go to www.ebay.com. Go to My eBay by clicking on the button at the top of any eBay page, and choose "Accounts". Then, select "Use a checking account for automatic payments". This blurb tells me nothing useful. What are your opinions of "Direct Pay"?
I’m really wary of it. Several months ago, sellers were dinged twice for their monthly fees. (eBay finally gave them their money back, but refused any responsibility for any overdraft charges some sellers incurred as a result. That is going, or went to, court.) Right now, PayPal is having trouble with their debit cards, taking the money out twice. Lots of problems in a relatively short time, with a not-so-fast response by the parties involved. A
Since the 2004 election in Ohio has been discussed again here….and those who would suggest it’s "over" seem to deny there are still ongoing developments of any kind, I thought I’d share this bit I found on A.P. It’s excerpted from the end of an article regarding the State of Ohio’s recent purchase of touch screen voting machines, and the concern over their accuracy. Apparently, things are still moving along, though quietly. This won’t change anything of course…unless further investigation uncovers something. Even that won’t change the result, but next the next election may bring a tidal wave of anger votes… This is only the "tip of the iceberg", of what’s still going on in Ohio. "In Cleveland, up to 10 subpoenas have been issued in the handling of the presidential recount in December by the Cuyahoga County elections board, according to special prosecutor Kevin J. Baxter. The Erie County prosecutor said the investigation was in the fact-finding stage. The investigation was prompted by complaints from Green Party candidate David Cobb and Libertarian Party candidate Michael Badnarik. They claimed the sample recount precincts weren’t randomly selected and a test-run recount was done without witnesses. Cobb and Badnarik together received less than 0.5 percent of the vote in Ohio, which President Bush won to ensure his re-election."
You lost. Get over it. LV
(the usual)
You lost. Get over it. LV (the usual)
somebody, please make him say it again. I wanna see how many times we can make Lord Valve post "You lost. Get Over it." Winner gets a new roll of solder.
did courageously avow: You lost. Get over it. LV (the usual)
You’re going to lose. Get ready for it. Ken Wilson Proud Owner of Lord Valve, PMG, John Wheaton, Claude Lucas, Freep the Xenophobe, Chuck, the rest of the Union of Rightwing Idiots Needing Explanations (URINE) and, at his own request, Karl Rovershank (aka Lars from Mars) Supporting the Troops at http://www.resisters.ca http://www.criticalhistory.com/
You’re going to lose. Get ready for it.
Yawn. Heard it before; right here, all through the summer and fall of 2002 and 2004. You want quotes? ‘Cause I’m sure I can find you some. Lars
You lost.
Nope. Having an election stolen isn’t the same as losing.
Having an election stolen isn’t the same as losing.
Indeed not: claiming the latter wouldn’t necessarily be evidence of mental illness. Lars
(the usual)
You’re annoying. Quit it. The Repair Guy http://repairguy1993.netfirms.com/
message Having an election stolen isn’t the same as losing. Indeed not: claiming the latter wouldn’t
necessarily be evidence of mental illness. Lars
The only way the fraudulent Duh-bya adminsistration can "win" is either by cheating or telling lies to a bunch of credulous retards, morons and superstitious zealots who ironically had the right to vote.
The only way the fraudulent Duh-bya adminsistration can "win" is either by cheating or telling lies to a bunch of credulous retards, morons and superstitious zealots who ironically had the right to vote.
Either that, or the only way a bunch of liberal losers can salve their battered egos over the utter rejection of their policies by the voting public time and time again, is the trap of thinking that everyone else but themselves must be stupid. I’ll take a real Honda over an empty parking place that some liberal SAYS contains a Ferrari, any day. Lars
The only way the fraudulent Duh-bya adminsistration can "win" is either by cheating or telling lies to a bunch of credulous retards, morons and superstitious zealots who ironically had the right to vote. Either that, or the only way a bunch of liberal losers can salve their battered egos over the utter rejection of their policies by the voting public time and time again, is the trap of thinking that everyone else but themselves must be stupid. I’ll take a real Honda over an empty parking place that some liberal SAYS contains a Ferrari, any day. Lars
You’ll take a Honda because you can’t afford a Ferrari.
courageously avow: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The only way the fraudulent Duh-bya adminsistration can "win" is either by cheating or telling lies to a bunch of credulous retards, morons and superstitious zealots who ironically had the right to vote. Either that, or the only way a bunch of liberal losers can salve their battered egos over the utter rejection of their policies by the voting public time and time again, is the trap of thinking that everyone else but themselves must be stupid. I’ll take a real Honda over an empty parking place that some liberal SAYS contains a Ferrari, any day. Lars You’ll take a Honda because you can’t afford a Ferrari.
I see him as more Yugo material myself. That’s if he can get a deal on a used one. Ken Wilson Proud Owner of Lord Valve, PMG, John Wheaton, Claude Lucas, Freep the Xenophobe, Chuck, the rest of the Union of Rightwing Idiots Needing Explanations (URINE) and, at his own request, Karl Rovershank (aka Lars from Mars) Supporting the Troops at http://www.resisters.ca http://www.criticalhistory.com/
You’ll take a Honda because you can’t afford a Ferrari.
Have you *priced* a Honda NS-X lately? Wasn’t THAT long ago you *could* buy a Ferrari with that money. I’m happy enough with mine. It turns heads, goes like stink, and sticks in a turn like ugly on a zootwoman. If you’ll pardon the expression, Lars
You’ll take a Honda because you can’t afford a Ferrari. Have you *priced* a Honda NS-X lately? Wasn’t THAT long ago you *could* buy a Ferrari with that money. I’m happy enough with mine. It turns heads, goes like stink, and sticks in a turn like ugly on a zootwoman. If you’ll pardon the expression, Lars
I’ll pardon your expression but only because you asked. I drive a Cooper Mini S. dark silver with white racing stripes. It sucks the road like…..wellllll I’ll leave it to your imagination old man.
I drive a Cooper Mini S.
Heh. So it turns out you’re a lot farther from being able to afford a Ferrari than I am. Funny that someone who has to drive one of those, is worrying and talking about what luxuries OTHERS can and can’t afford. Let me guess: YOU’RE not a liberal either, right? It is to laugh. Lars
I drive a Cooper Mini S. Heh. So it turns out you’re a lot farther from being able to afford a Ferrari than I am. Funny that someone who has to drive one of those, is worrying and talking about what luxuries OTHERS can and can’t afford. Let me guess: YOU’RE not a liberal either, right? It is to laugh. Lars
I drive it because I like it. It’s fun to drive, it’s easy on the gas and I have hauled as much as 42 gallons of paint in it. I wouldn’t buy a Ferrari because it doesn’t appeal to me. There are a lot of cars i would not buy. I would not buy a Mercedes. I might buy a Beemer. I have bought Saabs. I might buy a Swatch car for fashion kicks if Mercedes ever makes it. You know, Sam Walton never drove a new car or truck. What does Bill Gates drive? This article doesn’t actually say but Bill Gates says that money doesn’t have meaning. PLAYBOY: Even though your parents are well off on their own, how have they reacted to your extreme wealth? GATES: I don’t show it to them. I hide it from them. I have it buried in the lawn. It’s bulging a little bit, and I hope it doesn’t rain. PLAYBOY: Bad bet, living in Seattle. GATES: My money is meaningless to them. Meaningless. It has no effect on anything I do with my parents. [Pauses] If somebody’s sick we can get the best doctors, so it has that impact. But we talk about things that money doesn’t affect. PLAYBOY: We’re not suggesting that you talk only about money. GATES: We never talk about money. PLAYBOY: Does your net worth of multi-billions, despite the fact that it’s mostly in stock and the value varies daily, boggle your mind? GATES: It’s a ridiculous number. But remember, 95 percent of it I’m just going to give away. [Smiles] Don’t tell people to write me letters. I’m saving that for when I’m in my 50s. It’s a lot to give away and it’s going to take time. PLAYBOY: Where will you donate it? GATES: To charitable things, scientific things. I don’t believe in burdening any children I might have with that. They’ll have enough. They’ll be comfortable. PLAYBOY: Youll give them only a billion, maybe? GATES: No, no, are you kidding? Nothing like that. One percent of that. PLAYBOY: But they’ll grow up thinking, Gee, if Dad leaves me some of the money. . . . GATES: I’ll make it clear that it’ll be a modest amount. PLAYBOY: So you want them to be as self-made as you? GATES: No, that’s not the point. The point is that ridiculous sums of money can be confusing. PLAYBOY: In general, or only to the young or inexperienced? GATES: I think to anyone. PLAYBOY: Is it confusing to you? GATES: I’m very well grounded because of my parents and my job and what I believe in. Some people ask me why I don’t own a plane, for instance. Why? Because you can get used to that kind of stuff, and I think that’s bad. It takes you away from normal experiences in a way that is probably debilitating. So I control that kind of thing intentionally. It’s one of those discipline things. If my discipline ever broke down it would confuse me, too. So I try to prevent that. PLAYBOY: So why not give the kid a billion dollars and let him try to control it as well? GATES: Not earning it yourself, knowing you have it from a young age, being so different in that respect from the other kids you grow up with, would be very confusing. PLAYBOY: Won’t your being their dad be confusing enough? GATES: I will seek to minimize that in every way possible. I’ll be as creative as I can. That experience is bad for a kid. PLAYBOY: How do you entertain yourself with your money? GATES: I swallow quarters, burn dollar bills, that kind of thing. I mean, when I buy golf balls I buy used golf balls, and that entertains me. Ha, ha, ha. PLAYBOY: Seriously. GATES: I’m building a house. It has serious functions, but entertainment is most of it. It has a screening room. And I’m putting in these huge video screens and buying the digital rights to the world’s masterpieces and all sorts of art. I guess that’s indulgent. PLAYBOY: Rumor has it the house is mostly underground. GATES: Completely false. PLAYBOY: When will it be done? GATES: I thought it would take four years. It will take five, then I’ll move into the project. PLAYBOY: What else entertains you? GATES: I like to learn. I like puzzles. Ive even played some golf the past year and a half, because everybody else in my family does. Actually, right now I’m a little addicted. I get a kick out of being out there on the green grass. I’m just getting into the 90s now. PLAYBOY: We hear you don’t watch TV. GATES: I do watch television. I don’t have any TVs with their over-the-air receivers connected in my house. But when I’m in a hotel room or other places that have a TV, then I turn it on and flip the channels just like everybody else. I was watching cartoons on Nickelodeon on Sunday. Its amazing. PLAYBOY: What was on? GATES: Ren & Stimpy and Rugrats. Great! Cartoons have improved a lot since I was a kid. I’m not immune to the lures of television. I just try to stay away from it because I like to read. PLAYBOY: What do you read? GATES: The Economist, every page. Also The Wall Street Journal and Business Week. And I read Time. If I’m traveling, every once in a while I’ll pick up an issue of People. I read USA Today. PLAYBOY: What’s the most random thing you read? GATES: Fiction. That’s true randomness. My older sister has read all the trashy books. So, occasionally, I have her recommend one. Otherwise, I’m in the same traffic as everybody else. I’m in the same airplane delay as everybody else. I sit in the same coach seat as everybody else. Yeah, I’m here in meetings all day. Here at Microsoft I work hard. There are a lot of experiences I haven’t had. There are a lot of sitcoms I haven’t seen. I haven’t had a child yet. There are religions I don’t belong to. I think we all have our own slice of life. I eat at McDonald’s more than most people, but that’s because I don’t cook. PLAYBOY: You’re back to eating meat? GATES: Yes. That was only a three-year period when I was proving to myself I could do it. But in terms of fast food and deep understanding of the culture of fast food, I’m your man. PLAYBOY: Jack-in-the-Box? McDonald’s? GATES: Well, McDonald’s is more pervasive around here. We also have Jack-in-the-Box. I’m not the kind of guy who decides that just because a few people got sick, it’s necessarily going to happen to me. It wasn’t very crowded for a while, but I thought that was fine. PLAYBOY: The recent biographies of Bill Gates and Microsoft, Gates and Hard Drive, both explore the mythology that’s developed about your quirks, habits and exploits. We’d like to sort the actual from the apocryphal. GATES: Fine. PLAYBOY: We’ll start with an easy one. It’s always written that you rock compulsively in your chair, and we can attest that you’re doing it now and have been for most of this interview. GATES: Right. PLAYBOY: What about your penchant for driving fast and accumulating speeding tickets? GATES: [Smiles] I get fewer speeding tickets than I used to. PLAYBOY: Did you once get a cop fired for giving you a speeding ticket? GATES: Thats false. PLAYBOY: What about the story that while driving from Albuquerque to Seattle, you got three speeding tickets in one day from the same cop? GATES: No, no, no. I’ve always told the truth about that one. I got twospeeding tickets from the same cop. Two. Not three. I got three tickets on the drive, but only two from the same cop. But I don’t think anybody ever suggested that I said I got three from the same cop. PLAYBOY: There’s the story that your mother chooses your clothes and helps you color-coordinate by pinning them together this from a former girlfriend, who seems to repeat it without incurring your disapproval. GATES: There was one point in my life when my mother was trying to explain to me about what color shirt to wear with what ties. But this goes way back. And I think people listen to their mother’s advice when it relates to fashion. It’s not an area in which I claim to know more than she does. And it’s not that much effort to pick one shirt versus the other. I don’t look down at the color I’m wearing during the day. So if it pleases other people that I know a little bit more about which shirt to pick with which tie, thats fine. At that time I didn’t know much about it. I think I know a little bit about it now, but below average. PLAYBOY: Is it true that you cornered the market in McGovern-Eagleton buttons after Eagleton was dumped as a running mate? GATES: It’s certainly true that I made a lot of money selling McGovern-Eagleton campaign buttons. I’ll be glad to show them to you, but I don’t think it matters how much I made. It doesn’t aggrandize me when things get less and less accurate the farther they get from the source. PLAYBOY: Next: the $242 that you supposedly paid for a pizza to be delivered one night. GATES: That is just reporters’ randomness to the max. PLAYBOY: Did you have a million-dollar trust fund while you were at Harvard? GATES: Not true. [Throws up his hands, stands and starts pacing] Where does this randomness come from? You think it’s a better myth to have started with a bunch of money and made money than to have started without? In what sense? My parents are very successful, and I went to the nicest private school in the Seattle area. I was lucky. But I never had any trust funds of any kind, though my dad did pay my tuition at Harvard, which was quite expensive. PLAYBOY: How did he feel when you dropped out? GATES: I told him it was a leave of absence, that I was going back. PLAYBOY: Nice move. GATES: Hey, if I had completely failed I would have gone back, of course. Harvard was willing to take me back. I was a student on leave. PLAYBOY: When you were at Harvard, did you frequent the Combat Zone, home of hookers, drugs and adult films? GATES: That’s true. [Laughs] But just because I went there doesn’t mean I … read more »
I drive it because I like it. It’s fun to drive, it’s easy on the gas and I have hauled as much as 42 gallons of paint in it. I wouldn’t buy a Ferrari because it doesn’t appeal to me. There are a lot of cars i would not buy. I would not buy a Mercedes. [more boring self-justifying along these lines snipped...]
Presumably because you couldn’t afford them. It must be, since it was the only reason you could imagine for MY not driving a Ferrari. And they say *we Republicans* are money-obsessed… I guess now we know why they say it. That was fun. Lars
no, I was insulting you and THAT Lars is a non-partisan endeavor, a universal reaction to insultees, unless you’re Ghandi. That was fun too.
I’ll pardon your expression but only because you asked. I drive a Cooper Mini S. dark silver with white racing stripes. It sucks the road like…..wellllll I’ll leave it to your imagination old man.
OK, those are *cool* little cars! I see them driving around and one of these days, I’m going to have to take a closer look. It’s good to hear they are easy on the gas, too. My current car gets *very* good mileage. I’ve been resisting getting a newere one, mainly for that very reason (38 mpg–highway). Mike
courageously avow: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ll pardon your expression but only because you asked. I drive a Cooper Mini S. dark silver with white racing stripes. It sucks the road like…..wellllll I’ll leave it to your imagination old man. OK, those are *cool* little cars! I see them driving around and one of these days, I’m going to have to take a closer look. It’s good to hear they are easy on the gas, too. My current car gets *very* good mileage. I’ve been resisting getting a newere one, mainly for that very reason (38 mpg–highway). Mike
My Sportster gets 55 mpg, in town. And half the number of wheels is twice as much fun. Ken Wilson Proud Owner of Lord Valve, PMG, John Wheaton, Claude Lucas, Freep the Xenophobe, Chuck, the rest of the Union of Rightwing Idiots Needing Explanations (URINE) and, at his own request, Karl Rovershank (aka Lars from Mars) Supporting the Troops at http://www.resisters.ca http://www.criticalhistory.com/
I say easy but since it’s supercharged, it ain’t all that easy. Just 31 highway. If you are very serious about gas milage – there are better cars. I am really getting a kick out of all the whining at the hardware store about gas prices. It’s up to $2.75 here. All those suburbans and F150s parked outside next to my Mini – anyway easy is relative. I liked the lines of the HOnda Insight, it reminded me of my first Saab, a Saab 96. I tried to look at the Insight but the Austin Honda dealer I went to didn’t want to sell it to me and he didn’t have any on the lot. His attitude was why would I want a two seater car? (I bought my Mini 2002). I decided I needed more trunk space than the Insight (as I said I could haul 45 gallons of paint in the back of that Mini – looks are deceiving) and I don’t mind admitting that the interior did it for me, it is totally cool design. I get suckered by design all the time. And I am having fun driving it. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ll pardon your expression but only because you asked. I drive a Cooper Mini S. dark silver with white racing stripes. It sucks the road like…..wellllll I’ll leave it to your imagination old man. OK, those are *cool* little cars! I see them driving around and one of these days, I’m going to have to take a closer look. It’s good to hear they are easy on the gas, too. My current car gets *very* good mileage. I’ve been resisting getting a newere one, mainly for that very reason (38 mpg–highway). Mike
courageously avow: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I say easy but since it’s supercharged, it ain’t all that easy. Just 31 highway. If you are very serious about gas milage – there are better cars. I am really getting a kick out of all the whining at the hardware store about gas prices. It’s up to $2.75 here. All those suburbans and F150s parked outside next to my Mini – anyway easy is relative. I liked the lines of the HOnda Insight, it reminded me of my first Saab, a Saab 96. I tried to look at the Insight but the Austin Honda dealer I went to didn’t want to sell it to me and he didn’t have any on the lot. His attitude was why would I want a two seater car? (I bought my Mini 2002). I decided I needed more trunk space than the Insight (as I said I could haul 45 gallons of paint in the back of that Mini – looks are deceiving) and I don’t mind admitting that the interior did it for me, it is totally cool design. I get suckered by design all the time. And I am having fun driving it.
How do you deal with those whiners about gas prices? Ask them to calculate what they’re paying for bottled water and see how much they bitch. Particularly when tap water in North America is safe for the most part. Bottled water still costs more than gasoline here in Canada. And we’re not even talking the designer types for the really snooty. Ken Wilson Proud Owner of Lord Valve, PMG, John Wheaton, Claude Lucas, Freep the Xenophobe, Chuck, the rest of the Union of Rightwing Idiots Needing Explanations (URINE) and, at his own request, Karl Rovershank (aka Lars from Mars) Supporting the Troops at http://www.resisters.ca http://www.criticalhistory.com/
What have you destroyed lately? trust? brain cells? a computer? a TV? a relationship? an apartment? a doctor’s office? nothing? what have you build lately? — Peter Timusk B.Math Just trying to stay linear www.crystalcomputing.net >blog> http://logbook.crystalcomputing.net www.webpagex.org >blog> http://notebook.webpagex.org
> what have you build lately?
Are you a ‘builder’ Peter? The freemasons may want you in their ranks. How will you be tried, by the square, and all that…. Jim
I am a buyer of finished goods. I have built my knowledge of law this summer and slightly destroyed my apartment with leaky air conditioner. I guess that means I am closer to being a homeless laywer. — Peter Timusk B.Math Just trying to stay linear www.crystalcomputing.net >blog> http://logbook.crystalcomputing.net www.webpagex.org >blog> http://notebook.webpagex.org "lazy dog" <arf…@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:8ueMe.554$tB5.437@okepread06… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> what have you build lately? > Are you a ‘builder’ Peter? The freemasons may want you in their ranks. > How will you be tried, by the square, and all that…. > Jim
Thousands Of People Waking Up Without Electricity This Morning Last Update: 8/15/2005 7:17:25 AM (New York) AP 08/15/05 – Thousands of people in the tri-state area are waking up Monday morning without electricity. The severe thunderstorms that passed through the area last night knocked out power on Long Island and in the northern suburbs of Rockland and Orange counties. The Long Island Power Authority says there are about 2,600 customers without electricity at dawn. Most of the outages are in Glen Cove and Massapequa. Officials are trying to verify if a tornado touched down in Glen Cove, leaving a swirl of broken utility poles and trees. Orange and Rockland Utilities had about 10,000 customers out at the height of the storm. But just over 1,000 remain blacked out as of dawn this morning. Four hundred of them are in Rockland County – mostlyy in Valley Cottage and Pearl River. In Orange County, 261 customers remain without power, 200 of them clustered in Port Jervis. And in Bergen County abut 393 customers are without power – more than half of them in Closter. ************************************ Thousands still without power from Northeast storms Monday, August 15, 2005; Posted: 8:04 p.m. EDT (00:04 GMT) Drivers brave the flooded streets of Boston, Massachusetts, on Sunday. NEW YORK (AP) — Power is still out for many of the thousands of people in New York, New Jersey and several New England states who had to start their Monday without brewed coffee or hair dryers, after fierce thunderstorms ripped through much of the Northeast Sunday night. New Jersey officials said some of the more than 80,000 homes and businesses that lost power may not get it back until late Tuesday, particularly in the state’s northern part. A police dispatcher said half of the Massachusetts town of Brockton is under water. And Stamford, Connecticut’s mayor said he’s never seen damage like what his town was socked with. Wind gusting to 80 mph knocked trees onto power lines, lightning started fires and torrential rain flooded streets in parts of eastern Pennsylvania, northern New Jersey, southeastern New York, Connecticut and eastern Massachusetts on Sunday. Boston’s South Shore was hit particularly hard, with severe flooding in Quincy, Braintree, Weymouth and Brockton. "Half of the city is under water," Brockton police dispatcher Darrelyn Jordan said Sunday night. "We have reports of water going into basements all over the city. We’ve had people stuck in cars all over the city. We even had to tow a police cruiser out of there with water flowing over the hood." Stamford, Connecticut, Mayor Dannel Malloy said the damage was the worst since an ice storm in 1973: "We’ve never seen anything like it." More than 50,000 homes and businesses in Massachusetts also lost power. Thousands more were blacked out in the New York City suburbs. The severe weather on Sunday also forced a suspension of final round play at the PGA Championship in Springfield, New Jersey, and caused a 90-minute interruption of the MLS soccer game between the MetroStars and the Columbus Crew at New Jersey’s Meadowlands. However, the storms brought at least a little relief from a stifling heat wave that had driven temperatures above 100 degrees with high humidity. Before the storms, Consolidated Edison in New York had record demand for power during the weekend, spokesman Chris Olert said. ******************************************** Storm pummels region Monday, August 15, 2005 By ELISE YOUNG STAFF WRITER Some 25,000 homes in Bergen County were without power Sunday night after a thunderstorm wrought what one official called "20 minutes or a half-hour of havoc." In Glen Rock, firefighters raced to a burning house believed to have been struck by lightning. Trees and utility lines were down on both sides of the town. On Route 17 from Saddle River to Rutherford, flooding and downed power lines caused closures of parts of the busy road moments after the storm blew in about 6 p.m. "The storm came from the north and just rolled down and created 20 minutes or a half-hour of havoc in each town," said county police Sgt. Michael Devine. Deann Muzikar, a spokeswoman for Public Service Electric and Gas Co., said the hardest-hit towns were Ridgewood, Paramus, Westwood, Little Ferry, Glen Rock and Washington Township. She said the utility estimated that power would be fully restored by 9 p.m. Tuesday. "We’re sure some of the people will come back up before then," she said. Muzikar said most of the outages were caused by lightning striking power lines. A power substation in Westwood also was hit. The change in weather was abrupt. At Teterboro Airport at 6 p.m., the National Weather Service recorded a temperature of 86 degrees. An hour later, the temperature had dropped 11 degrees. During 15 minutes in Lodi, a North Jersey Weather Observer member recorded rainfall of 1.48 inches. A member in Hawthorne recorded 1.74 inches of precipitation between 6 and 6:30 p.m. Some members reported severe thunder and lightning for a half-hour or longer. Prior to the storm, "the air was just soaked" with humidity, said Robert Ziff of Ramsey, a spokesman for the group. "The air was so unstable," he said, "the only way to stabilize it is with storms." Police in Wayne and Oakland, each with flood-prone areas, said they had little rainfall and no trouble to report. "It’s kind of unusual," Ziff remarked. "We get squall lines at this time of year. These are hit-and-miss storms." Residents in Emerson and Westwood said entire neighborhoods, including streetlamps and traffic lights, were without power. In Glen Rock, Patrolman Peter Tuchol said the regular shift was held over to deal with downed trees and power lines on both the east and west sides of town. "It should be cleared up in a few hours," he said at 8 p.m. The Bergen County Police Department reported flooding along Route 17, forcing closures in Ridgewood, Paramus, Hasbrouck Heights, East Rutherford and Rutherford. In Rochelle Park, southbound Passaic Street was closed because of downed utility lines. NJ Transit trains and buses and PATH reported no major problems. At the Baltusrol Golf Club in Springfield, temperatures reached 100 degrees for the second day, and thunderstorms led officials to suspend the PGA Championship for about 40 minutes. Fourth-round play will resume today at 10:05 a.m.
The air conditioning units went off in some rooms at the motel because of the freaky power outages, and somebody threw a chair through the big window of their motel room to get some air. The broken glass from the window stopped a foot short of the front bumper on my parents’ car. No sign of chair damage to the hood of the car. The air conditioning in my parents’ car died Monday, and they had to drive through 90 degree heat with their windows open at 70 mph. "Pierre Anoid" <ptim…@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:KTeMe.6721$7R.386487@news20.bellglobal.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I am a buyer of finished goods. I have built my knowledge of law this > summer and slightly destroyed my apartment with leaky air conditioner.
I guess they off the net then eh? I have been thinking of buying a portable battery pack and solar panel thing they keep advertising on TV. These cost about 400$ together but are on sale usually. The last big power outage I could use the phone but did yet have a laptop with battery so no net access. my battery operated flash lights and radios were all that worked. I have since bought about 8 solar falsh lights and given some away to friends. We still are expecting a black out just North West of NY in Ontario. — Peter Timusk B.Math Just trying to stay linear www.crystalcomputing.net >blog> http://logbook.crystalcomputing.net www.webpagex.org >blog> http://notebook.webpagex.org "Cymbal Man Freq." <Don’t Bot…@ForgedPostsAnonymous.unorg> wrote in message news:56fMe.15543$Hx4.10969@twister.nyroc.rr.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Thousands Of People Waking Up Without Electricity This Morning > Last Update: 8/15/2005 7:17:25 AM > (New York) AP 08/15/05 – Thousands of people in the tri-state area are > waking > up Monday morning without electricity. The severe thunderstorms that > passed > through the area last night knocked out power on Long Island and in the > northern > suburbs of Rockland and Orange counties. > The Long Island Power Authority says there are about 2,600 customers > without > electricity at dawn. Most of the outages are in Glen Cove and Massapequa. > Officials are trying to verify if a tornado touched down in Glen Cove, > leaving a > swirl of broken utility poles and trees. > Orange and Rockland Utilities had about 10,000 customers out at the height > of > the storm. But just over 1,000 remain blacked out as of dawn this morning. > Four > hundred of them are in Rockland County – mostlyy in Valley Cottage and > Pearl > River. In Orange County, 261 customers remain without power, 200 of them > clustered in Port Jervis. > And in Bergen County abut 393 customers are without power – more than half > of > them in Closter. > ************************************ > Thousands still without power from Northeast storms > Monday, August 15, 2005; Posted: 8:04 p.m. EDT (00:04 GMT) > Drivers brave the flooded streets of Boston, Massachusetts, on Sunday. > NEW YORK (AP) — Power is still out for many of the thousands of people in > New > York, New Jersey and several New England states who had to start their > Monday > without brewed coffee or hair dryers, after fierce thunderstorms ripped > through > much of the Northeast Sunday night. > New Jersey officials said some of the more than 80,000 homes and > businesses that > lost power may not get it back until late Tuesday, particularly in the > state’s > northern part. > A police dispatcher said half of the Massachusetts town of Brockton is > under > water. And Stamford, Connecticut’s mayor said he’s never seen damage like > what > his town was socked with. > Wind gusting to 80 mph knocked trees onto power lines, lightning started > fires > and torrential rain flooded streets in parts of eastern Pennsylvania, > northern > New Jersey, southeastern New York, Connecticut and eastern Massachusetts > on > Sunday. > Boston’s South Shore was hit particularly hard, with severe flooding in > Quincy, > Braintree, Weymouth and Brockton. > "Half of the city is under water," Brockton police dispatcher Darrelyn > Jordan > said Sunday night. "We have reports of water going into basements all over > the > city. We’ve had people stuck in cars all over the city. We even had to tow > a > police cruiser out of there with water flowing over the hood." > Stamford, Connecticut, Mayor Dannel Malloy said the damage was the worst > since > an ice storm in 1973: "We’ve never seen anything like it." > More than 50,000 homes and businesses in Massachusetts also lost power. > Thousands more were blacked out in the New York City suburbs. > The severe weather on Sunday also forced a suspension of final round play > at the > PGA Championship in Springfield, New Jersey, and caused a 90-minute > interruption > of the MLS soccer game between the MetroStars and the Columbus Crew at New > Jersey’s Meadowlands. > However, the storms brought at least a little relief from a stifling heat > wave > that had driven temperatures above 100 degrees with high humidity. Before > the > storms, Consolidated Edison in New York had record demand for power during > the > weekend, spokesman Chris Olert said. > ******************************************** > Storm pummels region > Monday, August 15, 2005 > By ELISE YOUNG > STAFF WRITER > Some 25,000 homes in Bergen County were without power Sunday night after a > thunderstorm wrought what one official called "20 minutes or a half-hour > of > havoc." > In Glen Rock, firefighters raced to a burning house believed to have been > struck > by lightning. Trees and utility lines were down on both sides of the town. > On > Route 17 from Saddle River to Rutherford, flooding and downed power lines > caused > closures of parts of the busy road moments after the storm blew in about 6 > p.m. > "The storm came from the north and just rolled down and created 20 minutes > or a > half-hour of havoc in each town," said county police Sgt. Michael Devine. > Deann Muzikar, a spokeswoman for Public Service Electric and Gas Co., said > the > hardest-hit towns were Ridgewood, Paramus, Westwood, Little Ferry, Glen > Rock and > Washington Township. She said the utility estimated that power would be > fully > restored by 9 p.m. Tuesday. > "We’re sure some of the people will come back up before then," she said. > Muzikar said most of the outages were caused by lightning striking power > lines. > A power substation in Westwood also was hit. > The change in weather was abrupt. At Teterboro Airport at 6 p.m., the > National > Weather Service recorded a temperature of 86 degrees. An hour later, the > temperature had dropped 11 degrees. > During 15 minutes in Lodi, a North Jersey Weather Observer member recorded > rainfall of 1.48 inches. A member in Hawthorne recorded 1.74 inches of > precipitation between 6 and 6:30 p.m. Some members reported severe thunder > and > lightning for a half-hour or longer. > Prior to the storm, "the air was just soaked" with humidity, said Robert > Ziff of > Ramsey, a spokesman for the group. > "The air was so unstable," he said, "the only way to stabilize it is with > storms." > Police in Wayne and Oakland, each with flood-prone areas, said they had > little > rainfall and no trouble to report. > "It’s kind of unusual," Ziff remarked. "We get squall lines at this time > of > year. These are hit-and-miss storms." > Residents in Emerson and Westwood said entire neighborhoods, including > streetlamps and traffic lights, were without power. In Glen Rock, > Patrolman > Peter Tuchol said the regular shift was held over to deal with downed > trees and > power lines on both the east and west sides of town. > "It should be cleared up in a few hours," he said at 8 p.m. > The Bergen County Police Department reported flooding along Route 17, > forcing > closures in Ridgewood, Paramus, Hasbrouck Heights, East Rutherford and > Rutherford. > In Rochelle Park, southbound Passaic Street was closed because of downed > utility > lines. > NJ Transit trains and buses and PATH reported no major problems. > At the Baltusrol Golf Club in Springfield, temperatures reached 100 > degrees for > the second day, and thunderstorms led officials to suspend the PGA > Championship > for about 40 minutes. > Fourth-round play will resume today at 10:05 a.m.
I am supposed to painting our bathroom. It took me about two months to paint the baseboard once and do the polyfila work on holes in the wall. I bought sandpaper on Saturday to san the polyfila now. I still need to paint the walls. The room will be canary yellow. I also want to build a mixer rack case for my new mixer. Building a plain wooden box is more difficult than it seems. — Peter Timusk B.Math Just trying to stay linear www.crystalcomputing.net >blog> http://logbook.crystalcomputing.net www.webpagex.org >blog> http://notebook.webpagex.org "lazy dog" <arf…@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:8ueMe.554$tB5.437@okepread06… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> what have you build lately? > Are you a ‘builder’ Peter? The freemasons may want you in their ranks. > How will you be tried, by the square, and all that…. > Jim
Pierre Anoid wrote: > What have you destroyed lately?
I wiped my Redhat 9 partition, hadn’t booted into it for over a year. > what have you build lately?
A 2.6.12 kernel and an xorg.conf .
"Pierre Anoid" <ptim…@sympatico.ca> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:b8eMe.6706$7R.378413@news20.bellglobal.com… > What have you destroyed lately? > trust? > brain cells?
yes > a computer? > a TV? > a relationship? > an apartment? > a doctor’s office? > nothing? > what have you build lately?
beerbelly – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> — > Peter Timusk B.Math Just trying to stay linear > www.crystalcomputing.net >blog> http://logbook.crystalcomputing.net > www.webpagex.org >blog> http://notebook.webpagex.org
"Pierre Anoid" <ptim…@sympatico.ca> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:_tfMe.6729$7R.389900@news20.bellglobal.com… >I am supposed to painting our bathroom. It took me about two months to >paint the baseboard once and do the polyfila work on holes in the wall. > I bought sandpaper on Saturday to san the polyfila now. I still need to > paint the walls. The room will be canary yellow.
My witch friend told me, that yellow affects the soul very positivly. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I also want to build a mixer rack case for my new mixer. Building a plain > wooden box is more difficult than it seems. > — > Peter Timusk B.Math Just trying to stay linear > www.crystalcomputing.net >blog> http://logbook.crystalcomputing.net > www.webpagex.org >blog> http://notebook.webpagex.org > "lazy dog" <arf…@nospam.com> wrote in message > news:8ueMe.554$tB5.437@okepread06… >>> what have you build lately? >> Are you a ‘builder’ Peter? The freemasons may want you in their ranks. >> How will you be tried, by the square, and all that…. >> Jim
My cable internet went caput for the night, last night, just after I posted this. Should I be paranoid? "lazy dog" <arf…@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:8ueMe.554$tB5.437@okepread06… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> what have you build lately? > Are you a ‘builder’ Peter? The freemasons may want you in their ranks. > How will you be tried, by the square, and all that…. > Jim
I’ve destroyed an old 486 computer, a doll and numerous paper targets at the firing range lately with my SKS 59/66. I’ve built up more courage for some reason and restored a very rusty, pitted .22 rifle. Best, Chris – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 00:41:44 -0400, "Pierre Anoid" <ptim…@sympatico.ca> wrote: >What have you destroyed lately? >trust? >brain cells? >a computer? >a TV? >a relationship? >an apartment? >a doctor’s office? >nothing? >what have you build lately?
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 22:33:00 -0400, alphacat <m…@privacy.net> wrote: >X-No-Archive: yes >Coconut wrote: >> I’ve destroyed an old 486 computer, a doll and numerous paper targets >> at the firing range lately with my SKS 59/66. >> I’ve built up more courage for some reason and restored a very rusty, >> pitted .22 rifle. >> Best, >> Chris >That SKS 59/66 is very gun! I would like to own one sometime in the >future. Where did you buy it from and how much did you pay for it? ><alphacat blinks>
I got it at a local gunshop in Tannersville, PA – Paid 115.00 for it and he gave me two boxes of Wolf ammo for it as well. It took two hours of cleaning to get all the damn cosmoline off it – I had to break down the entire gun, which was fairly easy. It has the fold-in bayonet and a grenade launcher too. Some guy makes adapters for the grenade launcher so you can launch golf balls..lol Its a fabulous beginners rifle and neat for old timers too, just because its a semi-automatic. A week ago I found a thirty round magazine for it, but it worked like crap; kept jamming on me. Strip-clips work great for it, especially with Bear ammo – makes loading a snap.. I plan on getting a small scope for it real soon because after about 40 rounds, my eyes just blur out when looking at the sights… Best, Chris
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 22:37:37 -0500, "lazy dog" <arf…@nospam.com> wrote: >X-No-Archive: yes >"alphacat" <m…@privacy.net> wrote in message >news:4302a2c5$0$34683$892e7fe2@authen.white.readfreenews.net… >> X-No-Archive: yes >> Coconut wrote: >>> I’ve destroyed an old 486 computer, a doll and numerous paper targets >>> at the firing range lately with my SKS 59/66. >>> I’ve built up more courage for some reason and restored a very rusty, >>> pitted .22 rifle. >>> Best, >>> Chris >> That SKS 59/66 is very gun! I would like to own one sometime in the >> future. Where did you buy it from and how much did you pay for it? >> <alphacat blinks> >I like the SKS too. I got one before I got the sz dx. Not sure what model >it is, but it cost me about $100 back in 1992. I am afraid it may be rusty >and pitted due to neglect. I have only used it a few times though. >I believe in the right to keep and bear arms, especially with the state of >the US govt these days.
Its probably a 59/66 or a 59. Rust and pits look horrible, but its not too hard to get them off/out with a wire wheel attachment for a dril or a wire wheel for a grinder. Inside the barrel can be a real pain tho..
I was in the military for 8 years.. and learned to shoot pretty well. ( shot 39 of 40 – that was my best. average 35 though) I think shooting is good for recreation but I am afraid to own a gun. With my night time paranoia, I would end up shooting someone who lives in my house or the shadow of my cat or something. Also, I have a baby so guns in the house make me worse. We do have an sks though, which is why I have decided to chime in – We also have 38 … the bolts are kept in a locking hutch thing.. in the drawer, and the rest in the closet of the bedroom. -kim
>On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 06:30:07 -0700, "Caprinardo Delirio" <monotre…@hotmail.com> wrote: >I was in the military for 8 years.. and learned to shoot pretty well. ( shot >39 of 40 – that was my best. average 35 though) >I think shooting is good for recreation but I am afraid to own a gun. With >my night time paranoia, I would end up shooting someone who lives in my >house or the shadow of my cat or something. Also, I have a baby so guns in >the house make me worse. We do have an sks though, which is why I have >decided to chime in – We also have 38 … the bolts are kept in a locking >hutch thing.. in the drawer, and the rest in the closet of the bedroom. >-kim
I’m lucky, I don’t have the extreme paranoia anymore, so nighttime shadows don’t bother me much. I used to be really paranoid, so I can easily sympathize. Its good you have the 38 locked up, especially with a baby in the house.. Best, Chris
<< I don’t see why they don’t let people with "mental illness" own guns>> My boyfriends brother had sz for many many years.. he went right down to the local sports store and bought a 22.. twice! once when his parents locked it up and would take him to the gun range to use it.. and the 2nd time, when he killed himself.. SO! He had to go through the background check blah blah.. and he still was able to buy them. I dont know how, I thought they checked for illness etc. -kim
>On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 13:10:49 -0700, "Caprinardo Delirio" <monotre…@hotmail.com> wrote: ><< I don’t see why they don’t let people with "mental >illness" own guns>> >My boyfriends brother had sz for many many years.. he went right down to the >local sports store and bought a 22.. twice! once when his parents locked it >up and would take him to the gun range to use it.. and the 2nd time, when he >killed himself.. SO! He had to go through the background check blah blah.. >and he still was able to buy them. >I dont know how, I thought they checked for illness etc. >-kim
I think it depends on where you live, as to the background check – I think that some states don’t do it at all. Here in Pennsylvania, they do it and I went right through in about 15 minutes. My father made some purchases as well and his went through in about three minutes. I’m not sure, buy I think they call the BATF, who looks up your name, social security number and drivers license and checks for felonies and past arrests.. We got a rifle at a gun show last week and the guy was a dealer from the other side of PA. He just made a call using his cell phone and in minutes we were cleared – It took longer to fill out the paperwork.. Best, Chris
"The feeling of your just goign crazy is the one I really hate, or I really can’t handle this it’s just to much, it’s just weird." It’s sometimes helpful to just say outloud (or at least in your mind) "this is just a feeling, it does not really mean anything at all" It can also be helpful to know that the only thing you really CANT handle will be the very last thing that happens to you in your life, everything prior to that, you can. G
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yep some days are good, other days are just damn right miserable and you kinda wish the day would hurry up and be over. I think my GP is a bit against Phsychologist / Physchiatrists, probably believes drugs are the best way or something, I was surprised to, even when I talked to him about the Psychologist he was sort of well whatever works, maybe he isn’t the best GP to be seeing about an Anxiety disorder and how serious or ill feeling it can make you. My phychologist seems to be ok so far and I have the ducene to jump onto if I relapse in a bad way but I am looking for a long term solution. Due to working for myself I can’t afford for this to continue, it’s twice now in 6 months it has rendered me not able to work properly. I just go to bed each night hoping for a good nights sleep and the next day to be a good one. I’ve also given up Pepsi Max (diet drinks) apparently the fake sugar in them type of drinks can also cause problems or increased symptoms, I would of been drinking about 1 litre a day of them, I don’t know if it is true or not however. It was also recommended to drink camamile tea, spose to calm you down make you feel better etc. Anyway I appreciate your help, and do apologise if anythign I say doesn’t make sence, I’m not the best at communicating at times, especially when I’m in a downer like when I wrote that first email. Today is a better day, tomorrow, well only tomorrow knows. I just want to be able to function normally like know that their is a wedding coming up, and be able to go to it without thinking 1000 bad possible thoughts of what might happen if I go, feel sick, just wanting to come home, and wreck the experience for my wife in the process which I have done so often in the past. I’ve basically become a hermit these days dreading going away from home for any length of time. I used to work 60 hours per week in my previous company which I sold 2 years ago, it was ahigh stressed environment, fixing servers, fixing poeple’s computer problems, large installations that sort of thign, always on call, and I was constantly busy, it’s only been the last couple of years since slowing down and just programming from home this has all become more of a problem. I think with what I mentioned earlier with deaths around, having a child (greater responsibility) it just all caught up. Anyway like most people here I just come for answers and look around for what others have tried and what worked for them so I can better make an informed decision on what might work for me. The feeling of your just goign crazy is the one I really hate, or I really can’t handle this it’s just to much, it’s just weird. I dread the nights as that is sometimes when I get hit the hardest with symptons, if i keep myself busy I tend to feel better but that makes it hard to relax with the family.
WOW !!!! it’s been a long time, i missed y’all, only a few faces i recognize, i see Gary responded to this post, so i’m lookin’ forward to a novel here d’rectly…. I LOVE YOU!!!! AND OUR LOVE CHILE IS DOIN WELL, HE’S POTTY TRAINED NOW !!!! (sorry, i had ta do that, and i done responded to this mail and erased it somehow and i gotta do it agin, and i’m NUTZ ! ) Ok sorry if I’m repeating on information that is already in this form, I’m new here and am trying to figure out whats up with me. Here is whats going on. I’m male 37 years of age and I’m a manager in the IT field. I worry about everything, even when I go out a good time, movie, concert what ever I only call it a good time when I get back home and all went well.
predicting fear is a symptom of ‘panic disorder’ as opposed ta good ole dyed-in-da-wool ‘panic attacks’, maybe a regimen as opposed to ‘as needed’ meds, benzos would be my choice.. (but then agin, i’m da poster chile fer a couplah bluez) Problems started about 6 months ago, for no real reason I can think of.
if we could think of tha reasons, we’d most likely eliminate em, ya reckon? Getting more sleep seemed to help, untill I went on a trip last week.
I have acid reflux
(remind me never ta take ya to an indian restaurant) Thinking I might be having a heart attack but no real pain, only pressure.
nah, yer havin’ a heart attack, ya just ferget ta die’n stuff. (thank tha LAWD ya don’t call ‘911′ every time, cuz they get all touchy, them boys,’n make fun of ya on tha way back to tha station ta eat beans’n pork) so LOSE THAT NUMBER ! Missed heart beats,or heart races out of control EKG was normal. Pressure under left arm pit, hurts more when breathing out. (whats with this?)
been there, done that, got tha 82,333,298 empty xanax bottles ta prove it, it’s yer mind playin’ tricks on yer body, there is no research ta back up tha cause of this physically symtomatic phenomenon, cuz you should ‘CONTROL IT, IT’S IN YER MIND, YER LETTING YER MIND RULE YOU AS OPPOSED TO YOU RULING YER MIND,’ ::vomit:: and it would take EFFORT to research sumthin’ so insignificant, as it is ‘foreign’ to tha purveyors of our quality of life deemed "professionals of psychology" or what tha fuck EVER and all tha while living with this inexplicible terror as we sit at the mercy of their subjective whims… and why make THAT effort when they got better things ta do, like mix a martini with grey goose vodka with extra large olives stuffed with pickled green beans … (but they can sure tell ya how much yer hair continues ta grow after yer dead… yanno.. IMPERTENT SHIT !!!) Sweet like crazy – afterwords feel shacky and light head
(now yer makin’ me a bit moist) ::gettin tha vapors:: and i’ll think about that tomorrow ! tomorrow’s another day… OH MY!!! well, fiddle-di-dee Light head many times with out any of the above, coffee makes it worse so I gave up coffee.
…and it’s SOOOOO easy ta get laid at Starbuck’s, that a true sacrifice, dude !!! numbness or tingling in left finger tips.
(are ya watchin’ an over-abundance of porn?) This can happen when I don’t feel I’m in a stress situation Has happened during sex (the racing out of control heart), and I’m sure I wasn’t stressed than!! Oh and I had been drinking as well,feeling really relaxed so I don"t know what gives.
wellllllllll, at LEAST YER HAVIN’ SEX, FER CRYIN’ OUT LOUD, YER TALKIN TO THA DESPERADO OF SEXUAL LIASONS PAST AND PRESENT ! and drinkin’ makes ya feel good.. it’s tha quittin’ part that makes ya feel like crap… can we test THAT theory? (i’m good at beggin’) Have no symtoms when working out, or when distractedunless I think of it. (perhaps I’m screwed up in the head) So is this a panic attack?
no, yer screwed up in tha head. xoxoxoxo ~tanya (still demure’n subtle, i haven’t lost muh touch) hey Screwed? may i have yer picture cuz i predict myself movin’ in yer house real soon’n i wanna make sure i’m knockin on da right door.
I was wonderin’ where alla those luv chile support checks were goin’ to, although ya sure did cash em mighty fast….
(tha crack dealer don’t wait fer nooooooooo-buddy !!!!! nobody wait fo no fool up in da projeks… gotta get dem dead prezidents, my choices could be runnin thin !!!!) g’on and slip me two xanax bars – I’m ready to git fool 5th to Crown to wash it down, I’m downtown snapping rolls take a chill pill to slow me down and git back in this game gotta be up on ya p’s and q’s to even feel it mane oxycontin, xanax bars, percocet’n lortab valiums, morphine patches, exstacy and it’s all up for grab what’cha want – what’cha need – hit me up I got you mane scarecrow, scarecrow whats that you popping? a powerful pill they call oxycontin see I’ma pill popper – so i’m'ah keep poppin’ em gimme 20 xanax and I’ma start droppin’ em they ain’t no stoppin’ me when they in my system….. (oh god, i just clicked muh heels’n b’came a rappin’ thug wanabe) Been kinda nutty here too, lotta major crapola happened in the past few months, kinda messed up my brain a little… So don’t worry child, ya cain’t hep it, about bein’ nutz, and neether can i ! G $
if ya email me yer # i can call ya fer free cuz i got sum kinda free phone crap, i’d love ta know sumbody’s more screwed up’n me, i’d feel SOOOOOO superior ! (so fake it if ya gotta) people at muh shop tell me "GURLLLL, YOU SHOULD GET’AH CHECK ! MAYBE THRAY’AH FO CHECKS"… i could make a career out’ah this bein nutz crap. marry me, we’ll get free housin’ and a eldorado caddy wif da ‘bruthah package’…. (and rims… rims is impertent now) ~tanya (meeeeeeeeeeet me at tha ned’dest disssssss- coooooooo- teque
I have a couple of panic attacks now, one last christmas and one about 8 weeks ago when I woke up in the middle of the night with my left arm in pain, I thought it might of been a heart attack (at 34) so I started to panic, then felt sick, then stomach started churning (still does today, not quite over that yet), and still get random pains throughout my body, only last for around 10 seconds here and their sometimes longer, doc says their muscles spasms caused by the anxiety and are normal, along with the churning / wind and occasional "runny poos".
(runny poos?) that was so cute i’m gonna adopt ya An episode of fraiser came on TV and the dude had a saw tooth and kept having strange occurances happen and was wondering about it being a possible heart attack and that freaked me out more beceause he ended up needing bypass surgery, the timing of the episode for me was all wrong.
do NOT watch Dave Letterman, you may find yerself over tha top. Then an episode of Law & Order came on straight after it and the guy jogging through the park died of a heart attack…hehe I was surrounded by the concept. Which just drove me further into panic mode and depression, fatigure and so on. It’s like living your own nightmare that you can’t wake up from;.
have you considered a decision to sans TV fer awhile? or just watch tha weather channel? well, maybe not… too many natural disasters… or tha COOKIN’ CHANNEL ! there ya go, yer cured (thank me later) I went to the doc like 5 times in 2 weeks, he eventually diagnosed it as Anxiety and prescribed me ducene (a bene)
at least he waited ta diagnose ya til his july payment on his ivory tower was donated by ya !!!! (THAT, folks, is professional integrity)uhhhh, KUDOS, DOC-a-ROONIE ! which worked pritty immeditately although it didn’t get rid of all my symptons it settled me down a heap. Then I started reasearching panic attacks / anxiety on the internet and started to find a lot of information and realise I wasn’t alone.
you probly WERE alone, just ’seein’ voices. I was so scared during the time of my panic attack, thinking about if I had a heart attack could my wife do proper CPR, discussed funeral stuff with her, didn’t want to be left alone for any length of time, went with her if she went out to avoid being left alone but everywhere I went I was thinking ok this is not a bad spot to have a heart attack, but we went to a park at one stage with our 2 year old daughter and I was kinda freaking thinking about how the ambulance could get down here. It was all so freaky but seemed so real at the time.
GOOD GOD, YER GIVIN ‘ME’ A PANIC ATTACK !!!!!! ::breathin’n prayin’ to tha benzo gods’n poppinahcouplah bluez:: When I was diagnosed with the with the anxiety problem and put on ducene I also had a suspect mole removed which turned out to be a melanoma stage 2, it had to be cut out a second time by a plastic surgeon (glad I was on the ducene for this). Doc gives me a 99% ten year survial chance having caught it early enough it all adds to the anxiety. Havign my brother in-law die recently from a frekish accident where he fell of his bicycle, a close friend dying from a heart attack at work and a friend online dying from a brain anyurism all around my age adds to "how fragile we are" which made it that much worse to me anyway. I’m sure everyones experiences with anxiety / panic are just as bad.
DUDE !!!! yer past anxiety, yer in obsession mode, and yer takin’ me with ya ! (let’s drink tequila in jamaica’n get’ah cabana boy, we now BOTH need a vacation) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I stopped taking the ducene about 5 days ago now, after being on them for around 5 weeks, a little withdrawl not much, stomach churning / wind is still their and the random pains, hopefully they will settle. I did find a site on the internet which offers a different approach for dealing with these pains at www.selftherapy.org which do seem to work. A different approach but really does seem to work. Looking back over my life not wanting to goto parties / engagement parties / out on fishing trips all because of Social Anxiety, the sick feelign, thinking bad thoughts of what might happen if I did go, etc shows I’ve had anxiety problems for years, althoguh I never knew what it was, I just thought it was me. I guess a lot of people feel this way as you don’t here much about it. I’m still living the nightmare from day to day hoping tomorrow will be a better day and don’t have any anxiety type symptons. The problem with anxiety is now I don’t feel anxious but still ahve all the pains and stomach acid /wind issues, more so at night when I relax.
i suggest relaxin’ more. "DOCTOR, IT FEELS BETTER WHEN I DO THIS"… ("WELL KEEP DOIN’ THAT") Just sitting at nights hoping the minutes would tick over a bit quicker so tomorrow would be a better day, it is certainly scary, but anxiety plays on fear, thats how it all works, fight or flight, you’ll here that a lot when you start any sort of treatment. I see a psychologist and it helps, taught me some breathing exercises, I also read a book called "Living With It", which is about panic attacks and has some real good things in it which make you feel better about yourself. Anyway feel free to email me any of your own personal experiences I’m interested in sharing, getting to understand it more, so I can overcome it totally. I hate it and I bet everyone who has it does.
nah, we thrive on it, we wanna marry it. I don’t think people really realise how bad it is.
WILL YOU COME VISIT ME? cuz i now love you. (i panic when i get my mail, and it’s 3 feet from the front door of muh shop, we should be quite happy with each other, me thinkin’ yer worse’n me’n vice versa) ~tanya (yer future) DON’T PANIC !!!!!!! i’m jokin.
Hey man, whats up? You are not having nor will you ever have a heart attack from panic. What you are experiencing are panic attacks. also you will not go crazy nor will you lose control.
he’s correct, that only happens ta goofy chicks in alabama that spend too much time in tha sinkhole of humanity with thugs, druggies, inbreds,5 checks apiece gettin’ mo fo luzers that’ll invest in a woodchipper ta lop off a limb fer a SIXTH check, havin’ fist fights with tha chief of police in her tat shop in alabama’n screamin’ like a banshee on main street: "I AM NOT PSYCHOTIC, I SWEAR TO GOD IT’S Y’ALL, NOT MEEEEEEEEEEE… DO YOU HEAR MEEEEEEEEE". (tho ineffective, at least, it confirms i do NOT lose control and i ain’t crazy)thank you for that confirmation, i feel better, i hope he does. it is just panic. it comes and it will go.
exactly. and ya get 3 hots’n a cot in tha meantime (well, it’s POSSIBLE!) What you ahve to do now is realize that you are not messed up in the head.
"YOU ARE NOT MESSED UP IN THA HEAD, IT’S THEMMMMMMMMM" (gotta stay in practice, yanno) we are all normal people with over active fight or flight activity. I suggest you go and see a theraspist to find out why you are having panic.
now THAT’s a tried’n true theory. as IF ! could be stress, could be memories from a long time ago creeping in. could be a lot of things. what i do know is that you are a normal guy having anxiety attacks. we all have anxiety on this board and NOT ONE OF US HAVE GONE CRAZY AND NOT ONE OF US HAVE HAD A HEART ATTACK FROM THE PANIC.
(i think he meant "NOT ‘TWO’ OF US") there are 20 million people in america with anxiety problems and not one has lost control
(ya think that judge’ll buy that?) or dies from it. well, sumbody ELSE may die from it … ::reloadin:: neither will you. Just get to see someone and learn relaxation tecniques. You will be fine brother you really will.
is "fine" subjective? now if only i could take my own damn advise!
you just need a bubble bath. (in alabama, of course) G
~tanya, aka sybil …. lalalalalallalaaaaaaa (and rational people lemme stick needles thru em, ain’t life grand)
I was wonderin’ where alla those luv chile support checks were goin’ to, although ya sure did cash em mighty fast…. Been kinda nutty here too, lotta major crapola happened in the past few months, kinda messed up my brain a little… So don’t worry child, ya cain’t hep it, about bein’ nutz, and neether can i ! G $
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – WOW !!!! it’s been a long time, i missed y’all, only a few faces i recognize, i see Gary responded to this post, so i’m lookin’ forward to a novel here d’rectly…. I LOVE YOU!!!! AND OUR LOVE CHILE IS DOIN WELL, HE’S POTTY TRAINED NOW !!!! (sorry, i had ta do that, and i done responded to this mail and erased it somehow and i gotta do it agin, and i’m NUTZ ! ) Ok sorry if I’m repeating on information that is already in this form, I’m new here and am trying to figure out whats up with me. Here is whats going on. I’m male 37 years of age and I’m a manager in the IT field. I worry about everything, even when I go out a good time, movie, concert what ever I only call it a good time when I get back home and all went well. predicting fear is a symptom of ‘panic disorder’ as opposed ta good ole dyed-in-da-wool ‘panic attacks’, maybe a regimen as opposed to ‘as needed’ meds, benzos would be my choice.. (but then agin, i’m da poster chile fer a couplah bluez) Problems started about 6 months ago, for no real reason I can think of. if we could think of tha reasons, we’d most likely eliminate em, ya reckon? Getting more sleep seemed to help, untill I went on a trip last week. I have acid reflux (remind me never ta take ya to an indian restaurant) Thinking I might be having a heart attack but no real pain, only pressure. nah, yer havin’ a heart attack, ya just ferget ta die’n stuff. (thank tha LAWD ya don’t call ‘911′ every time, cuz they get all touchy, them boys,’n make fun of ya on tha way back to tha station ta eat beans’n pork) so LOSE THAT NUMBER ! Missed heart beats,or heart races out of control EKG was normal. Pressure under left arm pit, hurts more when breathing out. (whats with this?) been there, done that, got tha 82,333,298 empty xanax bottles ta prove it, it’s yer mind playin’ tricks on yer body, there is no research ta back up tha cause of this physically symtomatic phenomenon, cuz you should ‘CONTROL IT, IT’S IN YER MIND, YER LETTING YER MIND RULE YOU AS OPPOSED TO YOU RULING YER MIND,’ ::vomit:: and it would take EFFORT to research sumthin’ so insignificant, as it is ‘foreign’ to tha purveyors of our quality of life deemed "professionals of psychology" or what tha fuck EVER and all tha while living with this inexplicible terror as we sit at the mercy of their subjective whims… and why make THAT effort when they got better things ta do, like mix a martini with grey goose vodka with extra large olives stuffed with pickled green beans … (but they can sure tell ya how much yer hair continues ta grow after yer dead… yanno.. IMPERTENT SHIT !!!) Sweet like crazy – afterwords feel shacky and light head (now yer makin’ me a bit moist) ::gettin tha vapors:: and i’ll think about that tomorrow ! tomorrow’s another day… OH MY!!! well, fiddle-di-dee Light head many times with out any of the above, coffee makes it worse so I gave up coffee. …and it’s SOOOOO easy ta get laid at Starbuck’s, that a true sacrifice, dude !!! numbness or tingling in left finger tips. (are ya watchin’ an over-abundance of porn?) This can happen when I don’t feel I’m in a stress situation Has happened during sex (the racing out of control heart), and I’m sure I wasn’t stressed than!! Oh and I had been drinking as well,feeling really relaxed so I don"t know what gives. wellllllllll, at LEAST YER HAVIN’ SEX, FER CRYIN’ OUT LOUD, YER TALKIN TO THA DESPERADO OF SEXUAL LIASONS PAST AND PRESENT ! and drinkin’ makes ya feel good.. it’s tha quittin’ part that makes ya feel like crap… can we test THAT theory? (i’m good at beggin’) Have no symtoms when working out, or when distractedunless I think of it. (perhaps I’m screwed up in the head) So is this a panic attack? no, yer screwed up in tha head. xoxoxoxo ~tanya (still demure’n subtle, i haven’t lost muh touch) hey Screwed? may i have yer picture cuz i predict myself movin’ in yer house real soon’n i wanna make sure i’m knockin on da right door.
I think that you are, at the minimum, experiencing anxiety symptoms.
translation: (it could be much much worse, cuz if anxiety is tha ‘minimum’… i ain’t even gonna comment on tha ‘maximum’) I can sniff out some kind of "control issue" here,
translation: (i’m an elvis fan’n ain’t nuthin’ but’ah houndddddddd dawggggggg") ::thankyaverymuchpriscilla:: although vaguely, it seems to be there.
translation: (i’m bein’ diplomatic, it SCREAMS "i’m a control freak"… but i didn’t wanna sound controllin’ or even…. judgmental, by god, cuz ta tell ya tha truth, ya really need’ah ass whuppin’… *how big’ah boy are ya?* My vote: call EAP, make a (confidential – they always are) convenient appointment (I can hear you now – "but it WONT be convenient!")
translation: (it’s confidential, but he can hear you, soooooooo… ya GOTTA wonder !!!) and be extremely honest and forthcoming if you feel the mental health practitioner is a "psychologically safe" person to talk with.
translation ::spew, vomit, heave, puke:: (as IF) They are bound by law not to disclose anything you talk about, and can lose their license if they do, so do not leave anything out
translation: (they don’t disclose nothin’ cuz they don’t listen ta nothin’) - the thing you most fear telling them is probably the thing that is bugging you.
translation: (hopefully he’ll tell me sum dirt without me appearin’ ta be nosey) Let’s start there.
translation: (if ya don’t, tanya’ll bug tha hell out’ah ya fer info til SHE’s yer anxietal trigger… GOD, i’m glad she’s back) Gary ps: do you like your job?
translation: (or does it ‘blow’?) ::gulp:: xoxoxoxo ~tanya (his baby mama) WELLLLLL !!!!!! i had ta, i missed muh Gary !!!! so shush.
Thanks for the reply; it helped to know I’m not alone. I find when this happens in public and I sweet, I than freak about sweating and of course I sweet more and I mean dripping right off of me sweet. I need to learn to get control of this.
(is it just me, or are y’all just full’ah inuendoes taday?) I started eating much better, green tea extract,
they DO make gatorade’n crap, yanno… it’s america, ya ain’t gotta resort ta THAT ! lots of salmon and long walks, (awwwww, do y’all hold hands? he feel like’ah cold fish?) hahahaHAHAHAHAHAhahahaha (i crack me up) go to bed earlier and heavy yard work and have started to loss weight, I’m about 20 -30lbs over. I would think if I had a heart problem it would show under heavy workout when I strain to lift heavy objects.
::raisin hand:: I’M A HEAVY OBJECT !!!!! let’s make’ah bet. I’m amazingly strong and can do these things with out problem.
::fannin:: I can shovel dirt all day (doing some landscaping at home) and never get winded, but when I experience these symptoms I get winded very easily.(is this part of a panic attack?)
yes, anything that feels like crap that ya can’t explain that makes ya feel like yer dyin’ and like yer heart is beatin’ too loud for ya ta go to a golf tournament fer fear you’ll get kicked out fer disturbin’ them lil ball chasers is a panic attack. (either that or ya got struck by lightnin’… but whaddah tha chances?) The other thing that bothers me about this is – its all I think about!!
ALL ya think about???? (now that could give a gal a duplex, yanno)…. or a complex… whichever… agin, ‘panic disorder’ as opposed to panic attacks, and i’m with ya, dude… it’s the one thing, even if yer life is perfection that can annihilate yer very existence, and it ain’t a matter of ‘if ya let it’… i wanna beat tha shit outta people that say that very thing with a friggin mop’n tell em ta shaddup and go check out tha dark side of tha golden gate bridge’n jump or marry me, whichever causes tha most misery, and that’s why i’m tha xanax queen of america and i’d like ta thank all tha little people involved… ::donnin’ my tiara:: AND BLOWIN’ KISSES, OF COURSE ! ~tanya <smile
Go see a holistic doctor he can help you get to the root of the problem I know I see one. I had the same symptems you had but not any more Email me out there and its not Meds ok. its life style changes and vitamins and detoxifying the body and juiceing and casting all those worrys you have and thank good thoughts speak life not death over your self God Bless you
now why didn’t *i* think’ah that, treatin’ tha mind’n body as a whole, not dissectin’ tha two, and BAM ! (yer cured) only ONE lil problem i see with that theory, there, Harley… do ya REALLY think we all just sat/sit around’n say "oh well, i’ll just put this feelin’ off’n deal with it tomorrow, it’s mind ovah mattah" or ya think we might’ah just said 80 million times "I’LL TAKE ADVANTAGE OF EVERY RESOURCE AVAILABLE, I’LL BECOME A PROFESSIONAL BREATHER, LEARN TA MEDITATE, DO PILATES ON A PURPLE MAT, EAT RAW RATS DOUSED IN GASOLINE, GO TA MECCA’N STARE AT THA SUN’N SAY AHHHHMMMMMMM, LISTEN TA IDIOTS THAT HAVE NO CLUE WHAT WE’RE FEELIN’ AND TOOK EVEN ‘THEIR’ ADVICE TA JUST ‘STOP THINKIN ABOUT IT, GET SUM CONTROL’ EVEN THO THEM PEOPLE SHOULD BE STRANGLED WITH THE HAIR OF AN AFRICAN BEAST OR SAID THA PLEDGE OF ALLEGIENCE IN FRONT A GROUP OF FANS AT’AH MIDGET BOWLIN’ CONTEST OR MOVED TO A TREEHOUSE IN WYOMING TO COMMUNE WITH NATURE WHILE ROASTIN’ WEENIES’N SINGIN’ KUM BAH friggin YAH AND EVEN PRAY TA THE FRIGGIN GOD OF GODS’N MEMORIZE THA BOOK OF ‘PSALMS’, FIND RELIGION AND THA IMAGE OF THA VIRGIN MARY IN A COFFEE CUP AND BECOME SPIRITUAL AND EVERY OTHER PIECE’AH SHIT CRAP YA CAN THINK OF OR HEARD INCLUDIN’ ORDERIN SUM LAME FRIGGIN’ VIDEO OFF SUM INFOMERCIAL OUTTA DESPERATION ?????" how tha HELL did we ferget ta go to a holistic dude that sits around’n burns incense’n wear clothes from "Pier 1" that ain’t got no shoes… i bet he even would call me "MY CHILD"… ::smackin forehead:: WOW ! and i could’ah avoided all this angst !!!!! now Bruthah Harley, i’m thinkin’ that i can personally cure ya of yer addiction to a bike most never see but from tha bottom up, as they’re always under it…. ummmmmm……GAS’N A MATCH ! see? i’m a genius as well, we should write’ah book. ~tanya (i know, i know… you know ‘JUST how we feel’… tell it to tha pope… only tha good die young)
Yep some days are good, other days are just damn right miserable and you kinda wish the day would hurry up and be over. I think my GP is a bit against Phsychologist / Physchiatrists, probably believes drugs are the best way or something, I was surprised to, even when I talked to him about the Psychologist he was sort of well whatever works, maybe he isn’t the best GP to be seeing about an Anxiety disorder and how serious or ill feeling it can make you. My phychologist seems to be ok so far and I have the ducene to jump onto if I relapse in a bad way but I am looking for a long term solution. Due to working for myself I can’t afford for this to continue, it’s twice now in 6 months it has rendered me not able to work properly. I just go to bed each night hoping for a good nights sleep and the next day to be a good one. I’ve also given up Pepsi Max (diet drinks) apparently the fake sugar in them type of drinks can also cause problems or increased symptoms, I would of been drinking about 1 litre a day of them, I don’t know if it is true or not however. It was also recommended to drink camamile tea, spose to calm you down make you feel better etc. Anyway I appreciate your help, and do apologise if anythign I say doesn’t make sence, I’m not the best at communicating at times, especially when I’m in a downer like when I wrote that first email. Today is a better day, tomorrow, well only tomorrow knows. I just want to be able to function normally like know that their is a wedding coming up, and be able to go to it without thinking 1000 bad possible thoughts of what might happen if I go, feel sick, just wanting to come home, and wreck the experience for my wife in the process which I have done so often in the past. I’ve basically become a hermit these days dreading going away from home for any length of time. I used to work 60 hours per week in my previous company which I sold 2 years ago, it was ahigh stressed environment, fixing servers, fixing poeple’s computer problems, large installations that sort of thign, always on call, and I was constantly busy, it’s only been the last couple of years since slowing down and just programming from home this has all become more of a problem. I think with what I mentioned earlier with deaths around, having a child (greater responsibility) it just all caught up. Anyway like most people here I just come for answers and look around for what others have tried and what worked for them so I can better make an informed decision on what might work for me. The feeling of your just goign crazy is the one I really hate, or I really can’t handle this it’s just to much, it’s just weird. I dread the nights as that is sometimes when I get hit the hardest with symptons, if i keep myself busy I tend to feel better but that makes it hard to relax with the family.
Mr. Goodwin: I’m sorry, I didn’t know you were in Australia, and am not especially familiar with how they run medical practices etc. (however I’m sure they do all the things I spoke of, someplace) Having read everything very carefully, it does very much sound like you would benefit from consultation with a psychiatrist. There is some discussion of social anxiety problems, you have cited work as a possible source of anxiety (which you are obviously exposed to often, and can’t avoid, unlike parties). You have anticipatory anxiety, as evidenced by the discussion of the power outage. Anxiety problems do not really have an intellectual dimension (in the context of being "stupid" I mean) – they just "happen", as you say. I also read something that sounded like de-personalization (a common, yet fairly scary anxiety disorder symptom) and you were unable to work as a result of this. It is hard to imagine that a physician, knowing all those things would not feel that you deserved a psych consult. From reading your posts again, it also appears that you have a number of assets in your life which will very likely help you work your way through this problem, and you may only need some Cognitive/Behavioral therapy – I tend to want to send everyone to a shrink, but I do find that they are often excellent at diagnosing and also are often very good with the more subtle aspects of choosing treatment options, simply because they study the esoterica of this field and attend symposiums, conferences, etc. – generally having a higher level of acumen in dealing with a wide variety of scenarios having to do with mental health issues. In fairness, some therapists and psychologists are also excellent, and can be enormously helpful – as Philip likes to say "if it works, it works" – which is quite true. By the way, thank you for your book recommendation, I plan to take a look at it when I have time. You can absolutely get full control of these symptoms and problems, it just takes a little while – so keep going. Actually, you sound a little bit better in this more recent post than you did in the first one I read. Gary
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Do you have any diagnosed medical problems? (Chronic ones, that you may even take medicines every day for)… Nope My Typical work rotuine involves getting up around 7/8am and then going to my officer, I work at home as a Software Developer creating various software application for clients. I do go see them onsite occasionally etc. I tend to work in the office most of the day, taking 1 hour out to do some piano practice (sometimes) however this has been difficult since the last panic attack. I cease work around 5pm and then have dinner usually and watch television, and maybe play a game or two after that. It’s usually later in the day when I have more physical symptons liek the stomach churning / wind and muscle spams when I start watching Television. I feel fairly fullfilled in my life, achieved a lot of the goals I always wanted to, ie becominga programmer, learning the piano. My wife is a stay at home mum at the moment but she will eventually move into child care which she is studying currently. Somtimes I wonder about the purpose of life and dwell on the meaning of life. I don’t follow any religions as I find them hard to believe, I do believe their is a GOD as such, but do wonder a lot if their is anything else once you die. I took 5mg of Ducene per day, 1/2 a tablet in the morning, 1/2 a tablet a night. It never stopped all my symptons like the stomch churning / wind or the muscle spasms but it took away the thoughts of having a heart attack etc and made me able to function more rationally etc. Finances are good, not in debt, do quite well in that department so don’t feel as I would get any stress from that. My childhood was a little rough my father basically left me when I was 15, it’s a long story, used to get bullied at school etc, I don’t know wehther this contributes to my current condition or not, but you hear a lot of people say that the first x years of your life tend to make you what you are later on in life. I tend to avoid parties currently and if I go don’t typically stay long, wife goes along with it, altough not happy, I tend to feel sick just going to them and usually try to make up reasons why I can’t go, or shouldn’t go. I refer to fear as when something bad happens like the other night (yesterday the power went out in the middle of the house) to half of the house, It stressed me as no power to the fridge and I feared it would increase my anxiety and cause more symptons and maybe lead to a panic attack. It ended up getting fixed but I was pacing a lot during the time, couldn’t work, felt out of it (distant), its hard to explain. I fear bad situations now may increase my anxiety….I think little problems tend to become big because I dwell on them in a circle, it’s stupid I know but it happens. I stopped taking the drug becuase I believed it was having an affect on my creativity side and piano practice / playing, by taking the feeling out of it. And also believed it was harder to remember stuff (shot term), ie practice wasn’t as easy as normal and wasn’t progressing the same as it did before I was on the drug. I’ll see if I can get them tests done, but teh Australian medical system is a bit weird in that typically a doctor has to recommend it, you can’t just ask for them "even on private medical insurance", anyway I’ll check. I had a EKG a few years back due to having high blood pressure when I went for my pilots medical. They said the high blood pressure was caused by white syndrome or something like that, goes up while their taking it but otherwise normal. They made me wear a blood pressure monitor for 24 hours. Like with a phychiatrist here in Australia you acn’t just go see one you need a doctors referal and he hasn’t deemed it necessary just recommends the ducene tablets. However I am seeing a phychologist that has taught me the breathing excersises so far and is now starting my on CBT. I did go directly once to a phychiatrist but he was so concearned about me not having a doctors referal more than anything else. He said he could put me on anti-depresents but they would take 2 months to click in, i never went back. This was after my first panic-attack or high anxiety situation at Christmas time where it lasted a few months but I got over it and life went back to normal. Thanks for all your advice and I’ll keep you up to date.
Do you have any diagnosed medical problems? (Chronic ones, that you may even take medicines every day for)… Nope My Typical work rotuine involves getting up around 7/8am and then going to my officer, I work at home as a Software Developer creating various software application for clients. I do go see them onsite occasionally etc. I tend to work in the office most of the day, taking 1 hour out to do some piano practice (sometimes) however this has been difficult since the last panic attack. I cease work around 5pm and then have dinner usually and watch television, and maybe play a game or two after that. It’s usually later in the day when I have more physical symptons liek the stomach churning / wind and muscle spams when I start watching Television. I feel fairly fullfilled in my life, achieved a lot of the goals I always wanted to, ie becominga programmer, learning the piano. My wife is a stay at home mum at the moment but she will eventually move into child care which she is studying currently. Somtimes I wonder about the purpose of life and dwell on the meaning of life. I don’t follow any religions as I find them hard to believe, I do believe their is a GOD as such, but do wonder a lot if their is anything else once you die. I took 5mg of Ducene per day, 1/2 a tablet in the morning, 1/2 a tablet a night. It never stopped all my symptons like the stomch churning / wind or the muscle spasms but it took away the thoughts of having a heart attack etc and made me able to function more rationally etc. Finances are good, not in debt, do quite well in that department so don’t feel as I would get any stress from that. My childhood was a little rough my father basically left me when I was 15, it’s a long story, used to get bullied at school etc, I don’t know wehther this contributes to my current condition or not, but you hear a lot of people say that the first x years of your life tend to make you what you are later on in life. I tend to avoid parties currently and if I go don’t typically stay long, wife goes along with it, altough not happy, I tend to feel sick just going to them and usually try to make up reasons why I can’t go, or shouldn’t go. I refer to fear as when something bad happens like the other night (yesterday the power went out in the middle of the house) to half of the house, It stressed me as no power to the fridge and I feared it would increase my anxiety and cause more symptons and maybe lead to a panic attack. It ended up getting fixed but I was pacing a lot during the time, couldn’t work, felt out of it (distant), its hard to explain. I fear bad situations now may increase my anxiety….I think little problems tend to become big because I dwell on them in a circle, it’s stupid I know but it happens. I stopped taking the drug becuase I believed it was having an affect on my creativity side and piano practice / playing, by taking the feeling out of it. And also believed it was harder to remember stuff (shot term), ie practice wasn’t as easy as normal and wasn’t progressing the same as it did before I was on the drug. I’ll see if I can get them tests done, but teh Australian medical system is a bit weird in that typically a doctor has to recommend it, you can’t just ask for them "even on private medical insurance", anyway I’ll check. I had a EKG a few years back due to having high blood pressure when I went for my pilots medical. They said the high blood pressure was caused by white syndrome or something like that, goes up while their taking it but otherwise normal. They made me wear a blood pressure monitor for 24 hours. Like with a phychiatrist here in Australia you acn’t just go see one you need a doctors referal and he hasn’t deemed it necessary just recommends the ducene tablets. However I am seeing a phychologist that has taught me the breathing excersises so far and is now starting my on CBT. I did go directly once to a phychiatrist but he was so concearned about me not having a doctors referal more than anything else. He said he could put me on anti-depresents but they would take 2 months to click in, i never went back. This was after my first panic-attack or high anxiety situation at Christmas time where it lasted a few months but I got over it and life went back to normal. Thanks for all your advice and I’ll keep you up to date.
Mr. Goodwin: You cite a panic attack, with subsequent and recurrent physical symptoms 8 weeks ago. You then said later that you stopped taking ducene (valium) only 5 days ago, after having taken it for over a month. I will try to help you in any way possible, but I do have a few questions if you wouldn’t mind answering them; it would help me know you better. How much valium/ducene were you taking every day? If the amount varied from day to day, what was the highest amount you needed? Do you have any diagnosed medical problems? (Chronic ones, that you may even take medicines every day for)… Please detail a typical day of yours – from wake-up to bed-time. Your job, your spouse/child (what’s that like, the relationships, the nature of the interactions, how you feel during them, anything you care to say here…) Do you rent/buy? What are your finances like? Any credit cards? Spouse working or stay home mom? On a scale of one to ten (one is "ready to go postal any day now" and ten is "would work there for free if they stopped paying me") how much do you like your job? What are your thoughts on fulfillment and how that is best achieved by people, in their lives? How do you feel, in terms of being fulfilled? There are some inconsistent statements in your post (not uncommon for anxious people stopping valium) so let me just try to get the answers cleared up for myself: "I’m still living the nightmare from day to day hoping tomorrow will be a better day… and don’t have any anxiety type symptoms." Then you go on to say: "The problem with anxiety is now I don’t feel anxious but still have all the pains and stomach issues, more so at night when I relax" What pains are you speaking of? If it’s a nightmare, how do you relax? You "don’t feel anxious", but it is "certainly scary" and makes you hope "the minutes would tick over a bit quicker". As you can imagine, it’s hard to know what you are really trying to say. Are you still anxious? (it sounds for all the world like you are, but you get most of the votes on that). Fear and anxiety must be differentiated with great accuracy (in your mind, my mind, everyone’s). Fear of having your house foreclosed is what keeps you from saying "fuck it" and going to the beach without calling your job first… Anxiety is what keeps you from going to parties because of imagined bad things that "might" happen. One is known, the other is imagined. There is fear of the known (getting fired) and fear of the unknown (what will happen, if I actually DO get fired?). Anxiety has a slightly less rational component to it, in my opinion. It is the job of the anxiety sufferer to challenge the rationality of the thoughts you have, when experiencing anxiety. Example: "I don’t really WANT to go to this party, but it’s important to my wife. What if I have stomach gas while I’m there, and I get embarrassed?" This type of thought, unexamined, can paralyze an anxious person. Examined though, it can be taken apart. I really don’t WANT to go – well, I have done lots of things I didn’t WANT to do this week, so this will just be one more, and I might even have a decent conversation with someone…. What if I have stomach gas? Is there anyone at this party who has never had stomach gas? What is the worst thing that could happen if they knew (which they might very well not) that I was having it? They might even give me some Pepto Bismol, and because people bond via "crisis", I might make a new friend… Are there any legitimate reasons why I should actually be afraid to invest a couple of hours in this party? Can I contract with my wife, that if I just cannot stand it after an hour, that we can politely leave? These are the kind of thoughts you must practice – rather than the very well-practiced ones that involve doom, lack and losing – how’s that skill been working for you? What was the reason you stopped taking Valium only a few weeks after a panic attack that left you with a (still unstable) stomach problem ? Steve: this is what I would do, if I were in your situation (which I’m not, so please don’t construe it as "advice", but just my own take on it, based on limited data – well, actually it is advice but given with the knowledge that I have less than a ton of knowledge about you.) a) I’d make an appointment to see a psychiatrist (call the local hospital, in the evening, and ask one of the nurses which of the shrinks is good at dealing with anxious people – they will know; if they say they don’t know, ask for someone who does) b) Bring the post (print it) that you sent here, and highlight all of the symptoms that you pointed out here, it will save time, and time in those offices is pricey, so get the most bang for your buck. c) Realize that today’s medicine practitioners "like" to put people on anti-depressants (usually SSRI type, like Paxil, Celexa, etc.) to get these types of syndromes under control. If your anxiety is so bad that you are being impaired or crippled by it, the "waiting period" of several weeks for the anti-depressant to kick in will possibly need to be supported by a benzo, however Valium is not always the best choice due to its very long elimination time from your liver. A physician can best decide this, based on things unique to you; I cannot. Medication may not be what the psych doc even wants to do, but the more info you give him/her, the better guess they can make as to what will help you the most. d) Make a list of Plus and Minus columns, about your life (anything that comes to mind – a plus could be "I went to a great highschool, I have a great job, My wife is sexy as hell, I love my neighborhood, My car started today….I am so glad we have the church we do in this town, I’m so glad I don’t go to church, (whatever the answers are is what they are)" and so on. Minus items could be anything (don’t know your life history, but I bet you know most of it…) "I had a really bad week every month this past month at work, I have less friends than I’d like, I wish I looked better, I had a really bad set of parents because they____, My wife is really a pain in my ass and if she would just ____ I think I’d like her more, The following three things happened to me growing up that I just can’t stand thinking about or I feel a little sick, and they are ____, _____, _____. My finances need the following improvements: (list them).. I wish I was sexier to my wife, I want a bigger penis, whatever…" This will save enormous amounts of time, if you are honest – no one has to see this list but you, you can burn it if you want after the appointment – and the shrink CANNOT discuss the case with anyone in your life – it’s illegal and they can lose their practice license if they do that, and they know it very well, so be HONEST The less you want to disclose a particular thing, the more likely it is that the "thing" has something to do with why you are having anxiety – the safe place to talk about it is in the shrink office. e) Ask your family doctor to do a complete thyroid panel (he’ll know what that is, and why you want it) and bring those results to the shrink office. Tell him you will also need a complete chemistry panel, often called a Chem 26, or "complete chemistry panel" (which includes basic electrolytes, liver functions, some kidney function tests). Also ask for a CBC and and ESR (lab tests). Have copies of ALL the results with you when you go to the shrink – this accomplishes several things, most notably it lets the shrink know a number of things that you don’t have wrong with you, and also lets him/her know that you are quite serious about getting better. Get an EKG done, your family doctor should be able to do that, and if not, get another doctor – immediately. Bring the EKG to the shrink’s office as well (a copy of it). Make a list of ANY medicines that you EVER take, and how often you take them. Write down what type of alcohol you drink, how often you use it, and for how long you’ve been using it and how much (on average) each time you drink. I don’t care if you drink once a year, write that down too. If you use any other substances, such as marijuana, cocaine, etc.. write that down too – I don’t know you, so I am just covering it all, and believe me, the shrink has heard ALL of it before, a million times, so do NOT conceal any of this type information. If anyone in your family has history of mental health problems, write that down – e.g. father died of alcoholism, mother was hospitalized several times for depression, or perhaps "no known history at all"… Incidentally, you may have had some of the labwork I discussed earlier done recently, in which case it would not necessarily be required to get it again (but bring copies of all of it, regardless, to the psychiatrist). Same with the EKG – it should be less than a year old though, and recent if you’ve been having any kind of palpitations or anything like that. Ask your family doctor point blank if there are ANY ABNORMALITIES in your physical exam, in his opinion. Ask him to please write them down for your shrink, if the answer is "yes". Of particular interest to the shrink will be the ducene, the dosage, tablet size (mgs), how often used, results, how long you’ve been off it now, etc.. so have that ready too. Writing all this down will save a TON of time, and you will get a lot more accomplished much faster. Obviously, if YOU have any history of mental health treatment, write that down in detail too. Do not (DO NOT) over, or under emphasize anything, be very factual about all information. If emotion comes with it, it is ok, and useful actually, to show that. If you cry, you cry – they buy Kleenex by the case (seriously, they do). f) You don’t have to get a
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I have a couple of panic attacks now, one last christmas and one about 8 weeks ago when I woke up in the middle of the night with my left arm in pain, I thought it might of been a heart attack (at 34) so I started to panic, then felt sick, then stomach started churning (still does today, not quite over that yet), and still get random pains throughout my body, only last for around 10 seconds here and their sometimes longer, doc says their muscles spasms caused by the anxiety and are normal, along with the churning / wind and occasional "runny poos". Anyway I was in panic mode after the arm problem and then indegistion started, so I looked it up on the internet and quite often indegistion is mistaken for a possible heart attack so I was in more of a panic mode hot flushes, had an underlying flu at the time and my immune system was shutting down, so started to get real sick. An episode of fraiser came on TV and the dude had a saw tooth and kept having strange occurances happen and was wondering about it being a possible heart attack and that freaked me out more beceause he ended up needing bypass surgery, the timing of the episode for me was all wrong. Then an episode of Law & Order came on straight after it and the guy jogging through the park died of a heart attack…hehe I was surrounded by the concept. Which just drove me further into panic mode and depression, fatigure and so on. It’s like living your own nightmare that you can’t wake up from;. I went to the doc like 5 times in 2 weeks, he eventually diagnosed it as Anxiety and prescribed me ducene (a bene) which worked pritty immeditately although it didn’t get rid of all my symptons it settled me down a heap. Then I started reasearching panic attacks / anxiety on the internet and started to find a lot of information and realise I wasn’t alone. I was so scared during the time of my panic attack, thinking about if I had a heart attack could my wife do proper CPR, discussed funeral stuff with her, didn’t want to be left alone for any length of time, went with her if she went out to avoid being left alone but everywhere I went I was thinking ok this is not a bad spot to have a heart attack, but we went to a park at one stage with our 2 year old daughter and I was kinda freaking thinking about how the ambulance could get down here. It was all so freaky but seemed so real at the time. When I was diagnosed with the with the anxiety problem and put on ducene I also had a suspect mole removed which turned out to be a melanoma stage 2, it had to be cut out a second time by a plastic surgeon (glad I was on the ducene for this). Doc gives me a 99% ten year survial chance having caught it early enough it all adds to the anxiety. Havign my brother in-law die recently from a frekish accident where he fell of his bicycle, a close friend dying from a heart attack at work and a friend online dying from a brain anyurism all around my age adds to "how fragile we are" which made it that much worse to me anyway. I’m sure everyones experiences with anxiety / panic are just as bad. I stopped taking the ducene about 5 days ago now, after being on them for around 5 weeks, a little withdrawl not much, stomach churning / wind is still their and the random pains, hopefully they will settle. I did find a site on the internet which offers a different approach for dealing with these pains at www.selftherapy.org which do seem to work. A different approach but really does seem to work. Looking back over my life not wanting to goto parties / engagement parties / out on fishing trips all because of Social Anxiety, the sick feelign, thinking bad thoughts of what might happen if I did go, etc shows I’ve had anxiety problems for years, althoguh I never knew what it was, I just thought it was me. I guess a lot of people feel this way as you don’t here much about it. I’m still living the nightmare from day to day hoping tomorrow will be a better day and don’t have any anxiety type symptons. The problem with anxiety is now I don’t feel anxious but still ahve all the pains and stomach acid /wind issues, more so at night when I relax. Just sitting at nights hoping the minutes would tick over a bit quicker so tomorrow would be a better day, it is certainly scary, but anxiety plays on fear, thats how it all works, fight or flight, you’ll here that a lot when you start any sort of treatment. I see a psychologist and it helps, taught me some breathing exercises, I also read a book called "Living With It", which is about panic attacks and has some real good things in it which make you feel better about yourself. Anyway feel free to email me any of your own personal experiences I’m interested in sharing, getting to understand it more, so I can overcome it totally. I hate it and I bet everyone who has it does. I don’t think people really realise how bad it is. Thanks – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ok sorry if I’m repeating on information that is already in this form, I’m new here and am trying to figure out whats up with me. Here is whats going on. I’m male 37 years of age and I’m a manager in the IT field. I worry about everything, even when I go out a good time, movie, concert what ever I only call it a good time when I get back home and all went well. Problems started about 6 months ago, for no real reason I can think of. Getting more sleep seemed to help, untill I went on a trip last week. I have acid reflux Thinking I might be having a heart attack but no real pain, only pressure. Missed heart beats,or heart races out of control EKG was normal. Pressure under left arm pit, hurts more when breathing out. (whats with this?) Sweet like crazy – afterwords feel shacky and light head Light head many times with out any of the above, coffee makes it worse so I gave up coffee. numbness or tingling in left finger tips. This can happen when I don’t feel I’m in a stress situation Has happened during sex (the racing out of control heart), and I’m sure I wasn’t stressed than!! Oh and I had been drinking as well,feeling really relaxed so I don"t know what gives. Have no symtoms when working out, or when distractedunless I think of it. (perhaps I’m screwed up in the head) So is this a panic attack?
Hey man, whats up? You are not having nor will you ever have a heart attack from panic. What you are experiencing are panic attacks. also you will not go crazy nor will you lose control. it is just panic. it comes and it will go. What you ahve to do now is realize that you are not messed up in the head. we are all normal people with over active fight or flight activity. I suggest you go and see a theraspist to find out why you are having panic. could be stress, could be memories from a long time ago creeping in. could be a lot of things. what i do know is that you are a normal guy having anxiety attacks. we all have anxiety on this board and NOT ONE OF US HAVE GONE CRAZY AND NOT ONE OF US HAVE HAD A HEART ATTACK FROM THE PANIC. there are 20 million people in america with anxiety problems and not one has lost control or dies from it. neither will you. Just get to see someone and learn relaxation tecniques. You will be fine brother you really will. now if only i could take my own damn advise! G
My interpretation of this, so far, is that food was used to relieve stress for a length of time, worked reasonably well (except perhaps for the waistline), and has suddenly been removed as a coping mechanism, by your own volition. Suddenly, the stressors exceed the coping mechanisms available, and voila – we see symptoms. Solution: increase coping mechanisms (CBT, meds, meditation, biofeedback, other stress reduction methods which may be infinite) or reduce stress (harder to do, as it’s already in place which you’ve outlined fairly clearly. By the way, there is a thing called a "silent MI" (myocardial infarction) – where no symptoms present themselves, making it even more pointless to worry about this, in my opinion. By eating better, you will be less likely to develop high blood pressure, diabetes, obesity (three controllable risk factors for MI) so you are taking control, which is a great anxiolytic in my book. G
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I do like my job, though it has its stress. I have some 396 educators to support and service and some 10000 students along with 2000 computers all of which are spread out in some 20 different locations. And I have a large staff of 5 to maintain and do all of this, we are very good at what we do and are the best in the industry, that’s not cheap talk either. We’ve been doing this for some 10 years now, so I can conclud this is were my stress is coming from. My problems began about 6 months ago when I started to eat healthy and now that I think back I think I may have used food as a stress relieve, so now (just 2 weeks ago) I’ve been taking up walking and doing more active things so perhaps in time this will help. Knowing that it’s not my heart is the biggest relief and my irregular heartbeats are much less, and I don’t panic when that happens anymore. It’s the pressure on the left side and the sweating and tingling in the fingertips that had me freaked out, but I think I can ride those out now knowing what I know now. As for my symptoms they are not always the same or all at once. Sometimes I have irregular heartbeats, sometimes I’m light headed, something I have both. And a few times I have the heavy sweating possible a heat attack feeling. Never had a heart attack so I don’t know what that feels like and if I ever do I hope I know it is a heart attack, there’s a question, how will I know a panic attack from a heart attack? What is EAP? Employee Assistance Program? Might be through your employer or medical insurer I’ve cared for many panic attack victims and a few heart attack cases. You’d KNOW the difference right away. The pain and pressure described by people who’ve had them is a real attention getter. Much more intense than the feelings we get in the course of a panic attack.
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I do like my job, though it has its stress. I have some 396 educators to support and service and some 10000 students along with 2000 computers all of which are spread out in some 20 different locations. And I have a large staff of 5 to maintain and do all of this, we are very good at what we do and are the best in the industry, that’s not cheap talk either. We’ve been doing this for some 10 years now, so I can conclud this is were my stress is coming from. My problems began about 6 months ago when I started to eat healthy and now that I think back I think I may have used food as a stress relieve, so now (just 2 weeks ago) I’ve been taking up walking and doing more active things so perhaps in time this will help. Knowing that it’s not my heart is the biggest relief and my irregular heartbeats are much less, and I don’t panic when that happens anymore. It’s the pressure on the left side and the sweating and tingling in the fingertips that had me freaked out, but I think I can ride those out now knowing what I know now. As for my symptoms they are not always the same or all at once. Sometimes I have irregular heartbeats, sometimes I’m light headed, something I have both. And a few times I have the heavy sweating possible a heat attack feeling. Never had a heart attack so I don’t know what that feels like and if I ever do I hope I know it is a heart attack, there’s a question, how will I know a panic attack from a heart attack? What is EAP?
Employee Assistance Program? Might be through your employer or medical insurer I’ve cared for many panic attack victims and a few heart attack cases. You’d KNOW the difference right away. The pain and pressure described by people who’ve had them is a real attention getter. Much more intense than the feelings we get in the course of a panic attack.
I do like my job, though it has its stress. I have some 396 educators to support and service and some 10000 students along with 2000 computers all of which are spread out in some 20 different locations. And I have a large staff of 5 to maintain and do all of this, we are very good at what we do and are the best in the industry, that’s not cheap talk either. We’ve been doing this for some 10 years now, so I can conclud this is were my stress is coming from. My problems began about 6 months ago when I started to eat healthy and now that I think back I think I may have used food as a stress relieve, so now (just 2 weeks ago) I’ve been taking up walking and doing more active things so perhaps in time this will help. Knowing that it’s not my heart is the biggest relief and my irregular heartbeats are much less, and I don’t panic when that happens anymore. It’s the pressure on the left side and the sweating and tingling in the fingertips that had me freaked out, but I think I can ride those out now knowing what I know now. As for my symptoms they are not always the same or all at once. Sometimes I have irregular heartbeats, sometimes I’m light headed, something I have both. And a few times I have the heavy sweating possible a heat attack feeling. Never had a heart attack so I don’t know what that feels like and if I ever do I hope I know it is a heart attack, there’s a question, how will I know a panic attack from a heart attack? What is EAP? Thanks for the help. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think that you are, at the minimum, experiencing anxiety symptoms. I can sniff out some kind of "control issue" here, although vaguely, it seems to be there. My vote: call EAP, make a (confidential – they always are) convenient appointment (I can hear you now – "but it WONT be convenient!") and be extremely honest and forthcoming if you feel the mental health practitioner is a "psychologically safe" person to talk with. They are bound by law not to disclose anything you talk about, and can lose their license if they do, so do not leave anything out – the thing you most fear telling them is probably the thing that is bugging you. Let’s start there. Gary ps: do you like your job? Ok sorry if I’m repeating on information that is already in this form, I’m new here and am trying to figure out whats up with me. Here is whats going on. I’m male 37 years of age and I’m a manager in the IT field. I worry about everything, even when I go out a good time, movie, concert what ever I only call it a good time when I get back home and all went well. Problems started about 6 months ago, for no real reason I can think of. Getting more sleep seemed to help, untill I went on a trip last week. I have acid reflux Thinking I might be having a heart attack but no real pain, only pressure. Missed heart beats,or heart races out of control EKG was normal. Pressure under left arm pit, hurts more when breathing out. (whats with this?) Sweet like crazy – afterwords feel shacky and light head Light head many times with out any of the above, coffee makes it worse so I gave up coffee. numbness or tingling in left finger tips. This can happen when I don’t feel I’m in a stress situation Has happened during sex (the racing out of control heart), and I’m sure I wasn’t stressed than!! Oh and I had been drinking as well,feeling really relaxed so I don"t know what gives. Have no symtoms when working out, or when distractedunless I think of it. (perhaps I’m screwed up in the head) So is this a panic attack?
I think that you are, at the minimum, experiencing anxiety symptoms. I can sniff out some kind of "control issue" here, although vaguely, it seems to be there. My vote: call EAP, make a (confidential – they always are) convenient appointment (I can hear you now – "but it WONT be convenient!") and be extremely honest and forthcoming if you feel the mental health practitioner is a "psychologically safe" person to talk with. They are bound by law not to disclose anything you talk about, and can lose their license if they do, so do not leave anything out – the thing you most fear telling them is probably the thing that is bugging you. Let’s start there. Gary ps: do you like your job?
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ok sorry if I’m repeating on information that is already in this form, I’m new here and am trying to figure out whats up with me. Here is whats going on. I’m male 37 years of age and I’m a manager in the IT field. I worry about everything, even when I go out a good time, movie, concert what ever I only call it a good time when I get back home and all went well. Problems started about 6 months ago, for no real reason I can think of. Getting more sleep seemed to help, untill I went on a trip last week. I have acid reflux Thinking I might be having a heart attack but no real pain, only pressure. Missed heart beats,or heart races out of control EKG was normal. Pressure under left arm pit, hurts more when breathing out. (whats with this?) Sweet like crazy – afterwords feel shacky and light head Light head many times with out any of the above, coffee makes it worse so I gave up coffee. numbness or tingling in left finger tips. This can happen when I don’t feel I’m in a stress situation Has happened during sex (the racing out of control heart), and I’m sure I wasn’t stressed than!! Oh and I had been drinking as well,feeling really relaxed so I don"t know what gives. Have no symtoms when working out, or when distractedunless I think of it. (perhaps I’m screwed up in the head) So is this a panic attack?
Thanks I will take you up on that, what prompted me to start this post was this attack happen to me at the movies last night, all was well and a bunch of kids behind us wouldn"t stop talking through the movie, asked to keep it down but no they were really out of hand and I was getting really mad, and than bang. Pressure on my left side and sweating like crazy. Though I wonder if the sweating is caused by my freaking about the pressure on my left side. This lasted for the remainder of the movie as did the kids acting up. 10mins after I got home it felt like a big release and dam I felt really, really good – sort of a natural high.
what do you make of this?
Mental illness. Ed
So, is he saying that his proxy got bumped, and he was mad about that? Probably. The sad thing is if he loses, he is not obilgated to accept second chance offer should the winning bidder doesn’t pay up so he doesn’t have to worry about the $475.
When I typed that I wasn’t clear that he *was* the second place bidder. I thought he was still in first, but had just been bumped up by an underbidder. A
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – what do you make of this? "When I see "brand new" members bidding at the last minute, i have to scratch my head and wonder why. The high bidder was created today and i’ve played this game before. If your latest bid is not retracted I will not buy the club at my last offer of $475." He’s been on ebay since Nov ‘04 with 87.5%….7 positive, 1 negative, 9 total. He left his 1st transaction feedback in April: "Over a week and still havent received" I sure blocked this person in a hurry! Wow. He’s accusing you of shilling. Damn! I hadn’t thought of that — but it sure makes his comment clearer. What an asshole! Cancel his other bid, while you’re at it, Jean.
I blocked him on both my selling accounts right after his email….but wait there was a part deux: "You need to understand my frustration. I have been trying to purchase a set of Big Berthas for the last week. It seems that every time the auction is about to close a "new" bidder enters the auction and jacks the price up. When I look at the "properties" of the "new" bidder it seems that they are newly created and used to drive up the price. I apologize if I offended you, but please feel my pain. I’m just a guy who loves to golf and wants to replace my 14 year old Ping Zing 2s with a new set of Big Berthas" Well, he won’t be buying them from ME. thanks guys!
muttered something like: Well, he won’t be buying them from ME.
Amen. If you’re supposed to sympathise with his pain, he can sympathize with yours too–you’re just a seller who’s been accused of dishonesty by a total stranger based on his experiences with people you don’t know. No need to make his problem into your problem. -Bertha — No one can ever know for sure what a deserted area looks like. –George Carlin
I am the seller and that was all he wrote me. Peculiar, isn’t it? Scary too!
what were the bids of that seller in relationship to others? Buck — But that’s just my opinion.
muttered something like: what do you make of this? "When I see "brand new" members bidding at the last minute, i have to scratch my head and wonder why. The high bidder was created today and i’ve played this game before. If your latest bid is not retracted I will not buy the club at my last offer of $475."
So… now that he’s not high bidder any more, he won’t buy the club? That kind of goes without saying, doesn’t it? I sure blocked this person in a hurry!
Good call. Might want to retract his bids too. And then reply with "as per your request I have retracted your latest bid. :) -Bertha — "Where do we find a precept in the Bible for Creeds, Confessions, Doctrines and Oaths, and whole carloads of other trumpery that we find religion encumbered with these days?" — John Adams
Good call. Might want to retract his bids too. And then reply with "as per your request I have retracted your latest bid. :)
I’d have blocked him from further bidding, but left his losing bid in place to keep the final value up. There’s almost no chance that he’d and up winning – and if he wins and turns into a non-payer he can be NPBd and negged if necessary. If he’s that worried he can cancel his own bid. — Crazy Dog wfh at crazy hyphen dog dot fsnet dot co dot uk
So, is he saying that his proxy got bumped, and he was mad about that?
Probably. The sad thing is if he loses, he is not obilgated to accept second chance offer should the winning bidder doesn’t pay up so he doesn’t have to worry about the $475. — When you hear the toilet flush, and hear the words "uh oh", it’s already too late. - by anonymous Mother in Austin, TX To reply, replace digi.mon with phreaker.net
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – what do you make of this? "When I see "brand new" members bidding at the last minute, i have to scratch my head and wonder why. The high bidder was created today and i’ve played this game before. If your latest bid is not retracted I will not buy the club at my last offer of $475." He’s been on ebay since Nov ‘04 with 87.5%….7 positive, 1 negative, 9 total. He left his 1st transaction feedback in April: "Over a week and still havent received" I sure blocked this person in a hurry! Wow. He’s accusing you of shilling.
Damn! I hadn’t thought of that — but it sure makes his comment clearer. What an asshole! Cancel his other bid, while you’re at it, Jean. — Ty Who is mostly just a slightly skewed Donna Reed A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government. –Edward Abbey
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – what do you make of this? "When I see "brand new" members bidding at the last minute, i have to scratch my head and wonder why. The high bidder was created today and i’ve played this game before. If your latest bid is not retracted I will not buy the club at my last offer of $475." He’s been on ebay since Nov ‘04 with 87.5%….7 positive, 1 negative, 9 total. He left his 1st transaction feedback in April: "Over a week and still havent received" I sure blocked this person in a hurry! Wow. He’s accusing you of shilling. Kris yeah, like I’m going to be shilling….I don’t need it with 99.8%, 3730 positives, 8 negs out of an overall of 4113.
A 10-stepper 
I wonder if there is a way to report him to ebay? not that it would accomplish anything…just might feel vindicated somehow.
Does blocking him remove his bid? I’d have been sure to do so. Kris
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – what do you make of this? "When I see "brand new" members bidding at the last minute, i have to scratch my head and wonder why. The high bidder was created today and i’ve played this game before. If your latest bid is not retracted I will not buy the club at my last offer of $475." He’s been on ebay since Nov ‘04 with 87.5%….7 positive, 1 negative, 9 total. He left his 1st transaction feedback in April: "Over a week and still havent received" I sure blocked this person in a hurry! Wow. He’s accusing you of shilling. Kris
yeah, like I’m going to be shilling….I don’t need it with 99.8%, 3730 positives, 8 negs out of an overall of 4113. I wonder if there is a way to report him to ebay? not that it would accomplish anything…just might feel vindicated somehow.
what do you make of this? "When I see "brand new" members bidding at the last minute, i have to scratch my head and wonder why. The high bidder was created today and i’ve played this game before. If your latest bid is not retracted I will not buy the club at my last offer of $475." He’s been on ebay since Nov ‘04 with 87.5%….7 positive, 1 negative, 9 total. He left his 1st transaction feedback in April: "Over a week and still havent received" I sure blocked this person in a hurry!
Wow. He’s accusing you of shilling. Kris
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – what do you make of this? "When I see "brand new" members bidding at the last minute, i have to scratch my head and wonder why. The high bidder was created today and i’ve played this game before. If your latest bid is not retracted I will not buy the club at my last offer of $475." He’s been on ebay since Nov ‘04 with 87.5%….7 positive, 1 negative, 9 total. He left his 1st transaction feedback in April: "Over a week and still havent received" I sure blocked this person in a hurry! I’m unable to make anything of that. Is the first paragraph something that some other person sent to you? Are you the buyer? Seller? Craig
I am the seller and that was all he wrote me. Peculiar, isn’t it? Scary too!
what do you make of this? "When I see "brand new" members bidding at the last minute, i have to scratch my head and wonder why. The high bidder was created today and i’ve played this game before. If your latest bid is not retracted I will not buy the club at my last offer of $475." He’s been on ebay since Nov ‘04 with 87.5%….7 positive, 1 negative, 9 total. He left his 1st transaction feedback in April: "Over a week and still havent received" I sure blocked this person in a hurry!
I’m unable to make anything of that. Is the first paragraph something that some other person sent to you? Are you the buyer? Seller? Craig
what do you make of this? "When I see "brand new" members bidding at the last minute, i have to scratch my head and wonder why. The high bidder was created today and i’ve played this game before. If your latest bid is not retracted I will not buy the club at my last offer of $475." He’s been on ebay since Nov ‘04 with 87.5%….7 positive, 1 negative, 9 total. He left his 1st transaction feedback in April: "Over a week and still havent received" I sure blocked this person in a hurry!
So, is he saying that his proxy got bumped, and he was mad about that? A
what do you make of this? "When I see "brand new" members bidding at the last minute, i have to scratch my head and wonder why. The high bidder was created today and i’ve played this game before. If your latest bid is not retracted I will not buy the club at my last offer of $475." He’s been on ebay since Nov ‘04 with 87.5%….7 positive, 1 negative, 9 total. He left his 1st transaction feedback in April: "Over a week and still havent received"
Off hand, it doesn’t look as if he’d buy it even if he won it. You got yourself a nutcase, it appears. I sure blocked this person in a hurry!
Good move. — Ty Who is mostly just a slightly skewed Donna Reed A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government. –Edward Abbey
Reply with a "California Howdy": m!m He’ll scratch his head on that one, too. :)
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – what do you make of this? "When I see "brand new" members bidding at the last minute, i have to scratch my head and wonder why. The high bidder was created today and i’ve played this game before. If your latest bid is not retracted I will not buy the club at my last offer of $475." He’s been on ebay since Nov ‘04 with 87.5%….7 positive, 1 negative, 9 total. He left his 1st transaction feedback in April: "Over a week and still havent received" I sure blocked this person in a hurry!
what do you make of this? "When I see "brand new" members bidding at the last minute, i have to scratch my head and wonder why. The high bidder was created today and i’ve played this game before. If your latest bid is not retracted I will not buy the club at my last offer of $475." He’s been on ebay since Nov ‘04 with 87.5%….7 positive, 1 negative, 9 total. He left his 1st transaction feedback in April: "Over a week and still havent received" I sure blocked this person in a hurry!
lol – FWIW the nurse enjoys the art historians too. G
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We are, after all, posting on *this* board for a reason. I’m here for the free drinks and I like the nurses. P. Yeah They’re both really nice guys. Bingo! I was hoping someone would say exactly this and I counted on you! P.
Anyone want to weigh in on this??
I never watched the Today show but caught clips here and there (accidently of course of Tommy boy. From my perspective, he’s been "Mr. Hollywood" and yet another example of it this time around. He hasn’t had a big hit movie in years and this is his way of exercising PR (whether it’s good or bad) and that’s about it. Anyone that would follow an actors advice especially concerning mental issues is a fool and deserves anything that comes from it. Kevin..
Well JL, we will ultimately do better anyway – by the time our irritation with Tom Cruise is dwarfed by our overwhelming desire to see his film (?) we can rent it, for a fraction of what it would cost to go sit in some uncomfortable theatre seat (and no pause button, and expensive as hell popcorn besides). I’m all for renting videos, and finally figured out that if you don’t go see movies, all the videos are "new releases" to you, so you are entertained cheaply, and you can sit wherever you want to….
My wife and I have been members of Netflix for years and usually just keep the movies coming through the mail. So when we think a movie might be kind of good or get irritated with the ranting and raving of the actor, we always tell each other that we’ll catch it on Netflix. I still like to go to the movies on occasion though. The movie theater was where I had my first full blown PA while I was watching "The Prophecy" with Christopher Walken and recovering from a good hangover from a Van Halen concert. So I feel good every time I finish a movie in the theater. Sometimes when I look back, I think the hangover/Prophecy probably wasn’t the best combo! If I had only known I was on the verge of an enormous PA, maybe I would have told myself that recovering from a hangover and watching a movie about fallen angels and demons might be pushing it for that particular Sunday afternoon -;) I guess it would have gotten me sooner or later though. JL
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Bingo! I was hoping someone would say exactly this and I counted on you! P. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
Well JL, we will ultimately do better anyway – by the time our irritation with Tom Cruise is dwarfed by our overwhelming desire to see his film (?) we can rent it, for a fraction of what it would cost to go sit in some uncomfortable theatre seat (and no pause button, and expensive as hell popcorn besides).
i have a sleeve of golf balls that are in their original carton…the plastic has rottened because of their age. flying scot on the side it says george mcgovern in 72 their value? would take offers coach
did you say balls? is this part of the human penis necklace scam someone posted earlier? sure sounds like it.
i have a sleeve of golf balls that are in their original carton…the plastic has rottened because of their age. flying scot on the side it says george mcgovern in 72 their value?
Put them on eBay and find out. Sheesh. A
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i have a sleeve of golf balls that are in their original carton…the plastic has rottened because of their age. flying scot on the side it says george mcgovern in 72 their value? zero. He’s got balls spamming this group.
I like the American Express radio ad where the woman says "I can only keep so many balls in the air at once" then slightly laughs, it’s very subtle, but makes the meaning crystal clear.
i have a sleeve of golf balls that are in their original carton…the plastic has rottened because of their age. flying scot on the side it says george mcgovern in 72 their value?
zero. — Many thanks, Don Lancaster Synergetics 3860 West First Street Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552 Please visit my GURU’s LAIR web site at http://www.tinaja.com
on the side it says george mcgovern in 72 their value?
Wrong newsgroup. You want: alt.values.rottened.golfballs ef
i have a sleeve of golf balls that are in their original carton…the plastic has rottened because of their age. flying scot on the side it says george mcgovern in 72 their value? zero.
He’s got balls spamming this group. — To reply by email, remove the word "space"
" I promise to vote for McGovern in ‘72. Better him than that pesky Tricky Dick guy".
Good thinking, it would have required balls to vote McGovern in ‘72
" I promise to vote for McGovern in ‘72. Better him than that pesky Tricky Dick guy". Good thinking, it would have required balls to vote McGovern in ‘72
What’s a button like this one worth? www.speff.com/buttons.jpg
" I promise to vote for McGovern in ‘72. Better him than that pesky Tricky Dick guy". Good thinking, it would have required balls to vote McGovern in ‘72 What’s a button like this one worth? www.speff.com/buttons.jpg
I’ll bid $10, if the shipping is reasonable. — Ty Who is mostly just a slightly skewed Donna Reed A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government. –Edward Abbey
i have a sleeve of golf balls that are in their original carton…the plastic has rottened because of their age. flying scot on the side it says george mcgovern in 72 their value? would take offers coach
i have a sleeve of golf balls …on the side it says george mcgovern in 72 …would take offers
I promise to vote for McGovern in ‘72. Better him than that pesky Tricky Dick guy. Now send those golf balls. Loren
A Primer Most Blues begin, "Woke up this morning…" "I got a good woman" is a bad way to begin the Blues, ‘less you stick something nasty in the next line like, "I got a good woman, with the meanest face in town." The Blues is simple. After you get the first line right, repeat it. Then find something that rhymes . . . sort of: "Got a good woman with the meanest face in town. Yes, I got a good woman with the meanest face in town. Got teeth like Margaret Thatcher, and she weigh 500 pound." The Blues is not about choice. You stuck in a ditch, you stuck in a ditch–ain’t no way out. Blues cars: Chevys, Fords, Cadillacs and broken-down trucks. Blues don’t travel in Volvos, BMWs, or Sport Utility Vehicles. Most Blues transportation is a Greyhound bus or a southbound train. Jet aircraft an’ state-sponsored motor pools ain’t even in the running. Walkin’ plays a major part in the blues lifestyle. So does fixin’ to die. Teenagers can’t sing the Blues. Adults sing the Blues. In Blues "adulthood" means being old enough to get the electric chair if you shoot a man in Memphis. Blues can take place in New York City but not in Hawaii or any place in Canada. Hard times in Minneapolis or Seattle is probably just clinical depression. Chicago, St. Louis, and Kansas City are still the best places to have the Blues. You cannot have the blues in any place that don’t get rain. A man with male pattern baldness ain’t the blues. A woman with male pattern baldness is. Breaking your leg cause you skiing is not the blues. Breaking your leg ’cause a alligator be chomping on it is. You can’t have no Blues in a office or a shopping mall. The lighting is wrong. Go outside to the parking lot or sit by the dumpster. Good places for the Blues: a) Highway; b) Jailhouse; c) Empty bed; d) Bottom of a whiskey glass. Bad places for the Blues: a) Dillard’s; b) Gallery openings; c) Ivy League institutions; d) Golf courses; e) Starbucks No one will believe it’s the Blues if you wear a suit, ‘less you happen to be a old ethnic person, and you slept in it. Do you have the right to sing the Blues? Yes, if a) You older than dirt; b) You blind; c) You shot a man in Memphis; d) You can’t be satisfied…No, if a) You have all your teeth; b) You were once blind but now can see; c) The man in Memphis lived; d) You have a 401K or trust fund. Blues is not a matter of color. It’s a matter of bad luck. Tiger Woods cannot sing the blues. Sonny Liston could. Ugly white people also got a leg up on the blues. If you ask for water and your darlin’ give you gasoline, it’s the Blues. Other acceptable Blues beverages are a) Cheap wine; b) Whiskey or bourbon; c) Muddy water; d) Nasty black coffee. The following are NOT Blues beverages: a) Perrier; b) Chardonnay; c) Snapple; d) Slim Fast; e) Mocha Latte If death occurs in a cheap motel or a shotgun shack, it’s a Blues death. Stabbed in the back by a jealous lover is another Blues way to die. So is the electric chair, substance abuse and dying lonely on a broken down cot. You can’t have a Blues death if you die during a tennis match or getting liposuction. Some Blues names for women: a) Sadie; b) Big Mama; c) Bessie; d) Fat River Dumpling Some Blues names for men a) Joe; b) Willie; c) Little Willie; d) Big Willie Persons with names like Michelle, Amber, Debbie, and Heather can’t sing the Blues no matter how many men they shoot in Memphis. Make your own Blues name Starter Kit: a) Name of physical infirmity (Blind, Cripple, Lame, etc.); b) First name (see above) plus name of fruit (Lemon, Lime, Kiwi, etc.); c) Last name of President (Jefferson, Johnson, Fillmore, etc.); d) For example, Blind Lime Jefferson, Jakeleg Lemon Johnson or Cripple Kiwi Fillmore, etc. (Well, maybe not "Kiwi.") I don’t care how tragic your life, if you own a computer, you cannot sing the blues. *****Don’t Cry Because It’s Over…Smile Because It Happened.***** Visit Me At Tick’s Place… http://community-2.webtv.net/OLTICK/TICKSPLACE/
"GT Tick" <OLT…@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:20295-42857B7B-613@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net… snip> > Most Blues begin, "Woke up this morning…" > "I got a good woman" is a bad way to begin the Blues, ‘less you stick > something nasty in the next line like, "I got a good woman, with the > meanest face in town." > I don’t care how tragic your life, if you own a computer, you cannot > sing the blues. SNIP> > *****Don’t Cry Because It’s Over…Smile Because It Happened.***** > Visit Me At Tick’s Place… > http://community-2.webtv.net/OLTICK/TICKSPLACE/
———– Being a great appreciater of the blues, I loved this – how true it is! How about one for Country music? Dribbler
In article <20295-42857B7B-…@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net>, OLT…@webtv.net (GT Tick) wrote: > A Primer > Most Blues begin, "Woke up this morning…"
LOL! That’s priceless — and truer than it might appear! If you got MS, the blues royalty might make a ‘ception ’bout the computer. Have to axe Ol’ BB, ’bout dat. Y’all cn also qualify if’n you growed up po’ and never forgot it. One of the best amateur blues singers I ever heard talked like an illiterate hillbilly, had a Ph.D. in Physics, and wrote like a Nobel Prize winner. But, boy could he belt the blues!
That looks like something my brother-in-law would have written.
Ron’s Retirement It is important for men to remember, that as women grow older it becomes harder for them to maintain the same quality of housekeeping as when they were younger. When you notice this, try not to yell at them. Some are oversensitive and there’s nothing worse than an oversensitive woman. My name is Ron… Let me relate how I handled the situation with my wife, Julie. When I took "early retirement" last year, it became necessary for Julie to get a full-time job, both for extra income and for the health benefits that we needed. Shortly after she started working I noticed she was beginning to show her age. I usually get home from the Golf Course about the same time she gets home from work. Although she knows how hungry I am, she almost always says she has to rest for half an hour or so before she starts dinner. I don’t yell at her. Instead, I tell her to take her time and just wake me when she gets dinner on the table. I generally have lunch in the Men’s Grill at the club so eating out is not reasonable. I’m ready for some home cooked grub when I hit that door… She used to do the dishes as soon as we finished eating. But now, it’s not unusual for them to sit on the table for several hours after dinner. I do what I can by diplomatically reminding her several times each evening that they won’t clean themselves. I know she appreciates this, as it does seem to motivate her to get them done before she goes to bed. I really think my experience as a teacher helps a lot. I consider telling people what they ought to do one of my strong points… And speaking of bed, her age really shows up there. I go out and golf all day, come in dead tired and after a two hour nap and a good meal, I’m ready, if you know what I mean. Age has gotten her so bad that she actually dozes off during lovemaking. But that’s okay. Her satisfaction in that area is important to a sensitive guy like me and if she enjoys sleeping during our little trysts, what the hey… Now that she has gotten older, she does seem to get tired so much more quickly. Our washer and dryer are in the basement. Sometimes she says she just can’t make another trip down those steps. I don’t make a big issue of this; as long as she finishes up the laundry the next evening, I’m willing to overlook it. Not only that, but unless I need something ironed to wear to the Monday lodge meeting, or to Wednesday’s or Saturday’s poker club, or to Tuesday’s or Thursday’s bowling, or something like that, I will tell her to wait until the next evening to do the ironing. This gives her a little more time to do some of those odds and ends like shampooing the dog, vacuuming or dusting… Also, if I had a really good day on the course and it was wet and muddy, my clubs are a mess, so I let her clean them, you know… get the grit off the grips and a little light Brillo on the club faces at a casual pace. My golf bag is heavy so I lift it out of the trunk for her. Women are delicate, have weak wrists and can’t lift heavy stuff as good as men. But I did tell her I don’t like to be wakened during my after-golf nap, so rather than bother me, she can put them back in the trunk when she’s finished. Another symptom of aging is complaining, I think. For example, she will say that it is difficult for her to find time to pay the monthly bills during her lunch hour. But boys, we take em for better or worse, so I just smile and offer encouragement. I tell her to stretch it out over two or even three days. That way she won’t have to rush so much. I also remind her that missing lunch completely now and then wouldn’t hurt her any (if you know what I mean). I like to think tact is one of my strong points. When doing simple jobs, she seems to think she needs more rest periods She had to take a break when she was only half finished mowing the yard. I try not to make a scene. I’m a fair man. I tell her to fix herself a nice, big, cold glass of freshly squeezed lemonade and just sit for a while. And, as long as she is making one for herself, she may as well make one for me too, then take her break by my hammock. That way she can talk with me until I fall asleep. I know that I probably look like a saint in the way I support Julie. I’m not saying that showing this much consideration is easy. Many men will find it difficult. Some will find it impossible! Nobody knows better than I do, how frustrating women get as they get older. However, guys, even if you just use a little more tact and less criticism of your aging wife because of this article, I will consider that writing it was well worthwhile. After all, we are put on this earth to help each other… Signed, Ron EDITOR’S NOTE: Ron died suddenly Thursday, June 3. He was found with a Calloway extra long 50 inch Big Bertha Driver II rammed up his posterior, with only 2 inches of grip showing. His wife Julie was arrested, but the Grand Jury accepted her defense that he accidentally sat on it and she was released on Friday, June 4. ^O^ o o o SPLAT !
So you are just talking trash from behind the safety of your keyboard again. — Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. – MFW
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