What do you think about Annika at Colonial ?

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I disagree with your top10 comment. I think it would be a big plus for the ladies if she even makes the cut. Ken – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Very little "upside" to this event for Annika and the LPGA and a very big "downside". I’m afraid she’ll illustrate how far the LPGA is behind the PGA in talent, and weaken LPGA TV ratings even more. She would have to finish in the Top-10 for this not to hurt the LPGA…and I don’t think she is going to even make the cut… does anyone else think her timing is a bit odd…it wasn’t until all this talk about other female golfers competing with men that Annika mentioned this possibility, and now it is happening…. There are a lot of long par4 holes (450+) there and one of the par5 holes is over 600 yds. Plus the greens tend to the small side. I think she gives up too much in the power department. I’ll be very surprised if she makes the cut. FWIW. I heard DanPatrick talk about playing with her on ESPN radio today. He claims that he was 30 yds longer with the driver. Tour pro’s might be 60 to 80 yards longer. Ken

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#3 – par3 – can be stretched out to almost 250 yds. Ken – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There are a lot of long par4 holes (450+) there and one of the par5 holes is over 600 yds. Plus the greens tend to the small side. I think she gives up too much in the power department. I’ll be very surprised if she makes the cut. I had the same thought when I heard she was going to Colonial. I think she’ll put some serious work into her long irons/hitting her fairway woods off the deck, and hopefully she’ll have two good ballstriking days. If she can do that, I think she’ll make the cut. I mean, we all know she’s willing to put in the reps on the range. Also, the par threes are fairly short, aren’t they? That’ll help. The other thought I had was that Colonial’s known as a course where you have to work the ball to win. Is anyone here familar enough with Annika’s game to comment on how she works the ball? I watched a fair bit of LPGA coverage last year, and I can’t recall them mentioning that she drew, cut, faded or hooked anything. I mean, the closest I’ve been to Colonial has been in Tiger Woods 2003 on the computer, but I had to learn to move the ball both ways to start getting the ball close to the pins… Todd McGillivray – http://cplhicks.tripod.com/ Emailing me? tmcg at sk dot sympatico dot ca "Hi Principal Skinner! Hi Super Nintendo Chalmers!" — Ralph Wiggum, The Simpsons

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I think it will be interesting. Everyone on the radio I hear keeps saying how the women are better short game players then the men,and this will keep her competitive. However, I remember reading,[or hearing on TV]two respected golf analysts,[one may have been peter Aliss], discussing this fact, and they both said the women pros aren’t close to the men in short game prowess,they just look good because they play much slower greens and have much lower rough around the greens. They said the women would struggle mightily on a men’s course setup.Now, I have no idea if this is true, but if it is, Annika is in some real trouble.Didn’t she struggle big time with the short game at the last Bighorn event with Tiger and Nicklaus? spiker

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There are a lot of long par4 holes (450+) there and one of the par5 holes is over 600 yds. Plus the greens tend to the small side. I think she gives up too much in the power department. I’ll be very surprised if she makes the cut. FWIW. I heard DanPatrick talk about playing with her on ESPN radio today. He claims that he was 30 yds longer with the driver. Tour pro’s might be 60 to 80 yards longer. Ken

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Pretty much true. The 50th or 100th best golfer in the would would go through standard qualifying channels and would be playing on the PGA. That is, unless that same player could qualify for a different tour where that player could win big purses, and that playing on that different tour meant staying away from the Nationwide tour. It wouldn’t be that surprising if she was the 50th or 100th best golfer on the planet, although one tournament won’t show this. She would like to try to find out – but she doesn’t want to quit her day job to do so. But anyway – the PGA is show biz. The spectators pay the bills. If more people want to see Adam Sandler than Meryl Streep – then Adam will get more money. If more people want to see John Daly than Vijay Singh, then John should get the bigger appearance fee. If the best woman golfer in the world will earn the tournament more money from the fans – then the sponsors certainly should use their exemption to get her. I have no problem with Colonial offering the spot or Annika accepting the spot. I hope Annika does well. If I had to bet, it would be that she misses the cut but hopes she does play the weekend so I can watch.

She’s just as much fun to watch than most of the men on the tour. That’s what matters in show biz.

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Brent–Wow!! Apologies if I stepped on your toes. I was only answering the subject question not intending to upset you to the point you misconstrued my post! Different? Well, of course!! And I’m sure you have noticed. It has nothing to do with competing. As I said, "physically & mentally." Worse? If I had meant worse I would have said it. The two words have totally different definitions (look them up!) As for the insult you threw at me regarding "….their own kind" for shame! Of course, I didn’t mean that in the derogatory connotation you concluded. I should have worded it "….their own organization." "Idiotic poster"? Why? because I gave my opinion? In that case, RSG is chock full of "idiotic posters"!! I think, for your own welfare, you just need to chill out. Try a little kindness–it’s free & worth it.

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When it comes to top level male golfers vs. top level female golfer, worse would be the correct word to use.

I agree. The original idiotic poster was trying to say Annika shouldn’t enter a PGA Tour event because she’s "Different" with a capital "D". As if somehow that Difference should preclude competing, which is stupid. If she meant "Worse" she should have said it, although her conclusion would still be ignorant, close-minded and wrong. Rich Beem is not as good a golfer as Tiger Woods, which could also be stated as "Rich Beem is a ‘Worse’golfer than Tiger Woods" but it sure was fun watching Beem win his major. Brent Hutto

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When it comes to top level male golfers vs. top level female golfer, worse would be the correct word to use. Remember that the PGA events are not male events they are open events and if females were not worse, they would regularly compete in these events, because they qualified, not because they were given sponsers excemptions, and would be cashing the larger PGA checks as a result. Does anyone think that the best female golfers are equal to or better than the best male golfers? For that matter can you come up with any sport in which both men and women participate where the top females are thought to be equal to or better than the top males? I am sure there are… I can not think of any off hand. Sorry if I offend the politically correct thinkers but the facts are the facts. I have no problem with Colonial offering the spot or Annika accepting the spot. I hope Annika does well. If I had to bet, it would be that she misses the cut but hopes she does play the weekend so I can watch. Steve

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Frankly, I think it will be a tournament of embarrasements & humiliations. If she plays well, many men (& the PGA) will be embarrased. If she plays poorly, she (& the LPGA) will be embarrased. It will be a no-win situation. I suppose if she won the darned thing that might be a blow to some egos. But let’s say she finishes tied for 14th and 12 shots out of the lead. Do you think somebody like Justin Leonard would be embarrassed if he finished two shots behind here in 21st place? I don’t think more than any other tournament he finished outside the top 20. She is a great WOMAN golfer but we still cannot compete with men. One advantage to her playing in May will be that we’ll know a little more about this question than we can speculate right now. Face it gals. In case you haven’t noticed, we are Different (note with a capital D) both physically & mentally–on the golf course & off. You’re not saying she "Different", you’re saying she "Worse". She & the rest of the LPGA should stick with their own kind as the men are with theirs. I find the phrase "should stick with their own kind" in any context to be one of the most offensive imaginable. <PLONK Brent Hutto

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God forbid somebody do something that would challenge themselves. Go Annika!

My sentiments exactly!

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Only to people who allow themselves to be embarrassed or humiliated. Letting other people get to you isn’t a good recipe for success, especially if the cause is their gender. She is a great WOMAN golfer but we still cannot compete with men. Face it gals. In case you haven’t noticed, we are Different (note with a capital D) both physically & mentally–on the golf course & off.

Yep. She’s a lot different from me. For instance, she can play great golf. She & the rest of the LPGA should stick with their own kind as the men are with theirs.

Think of this as a pro-am event. They don’t HAVE to be Tiger Woods to be worth watching.

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Frankly, I think it will be a tournament of embarrasements & humiliations. If she plays well, many men (& the PGA) will be embarrased. If she plays poorly, she (& the LPGA) will be embarrased. It will be a no-win situation. She is a great WOMAN golfer but we still cannot compete with men. Face it gals. In case you haven’t noticed, we are Different (note with a capital D) both physically & mentally–on the golf course & off. She & the rest of the LPGA should stick with their own kind as the men are with theirs.

God forbid somebody do something that would challenge themselves. Go Annika! tim

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says… There are a lot of long par4 holes (450+) there and one of the par5 holes is over 600 yds. Plus the greens tend to the small side. I think she gives up too much in the power department. I’ll be very surprised if she makes the cut. FWIW. I heard DanPatrick talk about playing with her on ESPN radio today. He claims that he was 30 yds longer with the driver. Tour pro’s might be 60 to 80 yards longer. Ken

I’m not sure she’ll make the cut either. I wish her all the best and I’m going to be glued to set and rooting for her. If she does well, I think she will have done a lot of good for the LPGA. It’s the "These girls can play" idea. OTOH, If she doesn’t cash a check, I’m afraid that it will go to enforcing the idea that LPGA golf is somehow second rate golf. When it was Suzy Whaley, I didn’t see a real downside. Hell, she can’t make it on the LPGA tour, so there really should be no expectations of her doing well. If she doesn’t make the cut, I don’t see a real downside for ladies’ golf. I can’t say that about Annika. Kenny — Kenny Stultz – Troll and SPAM intolerant RSG Rollcall: http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=stultzk "Golf is the only sport where a precise knowledge of the Rules can earn one a reputation for poor sportsmanship"

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Assuming half way decent weather I think you can look for Colonial to break the existing gate records for Thursday and Friday so, in that respect, it is an astute move on the part of the sponsors. It is, after all, about money. I think that she will make the cut and maybe finish in the top 40 or so but don’t give her much chance of finishing above about 25th. Right now, playing the LPGA Tour, Annika can play well within her capabilities and still win regularly. I think that four days of leaning on the driver every tee ball will take its toll on her the last couple of days and she is going to be looking at an awful lot of pecan trees.

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I suppose if she won the darned thing that might be a blow to some egos. But let’s say she finishes tied for 14th and 12 shots out of the lead. Do you think somebody like Justin Leonard would be embarrassed if he finished two shots behind here in 21st place? I don’t think more than any other tournament he finished outside the top 20. She is a great WOMAN golfer but we still cannot compete with men.

One advantage to her playing in May will be that we’ll know a little more about this question than we can speculate right now. Face it gals. In case you haven’t noticed, we are Different (note with a capital D) both physically & mentally–on the golf course & off.

You’re not saying she "Different", you’re saying she "Worse". She & the rest of the LPGA should stick with their own kind as the men are with theirs.

I find the phrase "should stick with their own kind" in any context to be one of the most offensive imaginable. <PLONK Brent Hutto

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One thing is for certain – There is no way in hell she will be allowed to play in shorts at a PGA TOUR event… Burple

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I don’t see how this isn’t a disaster for the LPGA either way; if she plays well and makes a large check she and other top women might start deserting the LPGA tour 3-4 weeks a year for a chance at the big money. If she plays like she did at Bighorn and finishes toward the bottom of the field it just further adds credence to the argument that the women have no game. I love Annika and wish her well but if the top female players are not going to support LPGA why should any of the rest of us. On a similar note why not have Suzy Whaley’s win qualify her to play in the area LPGA event instead of the PGA event, I doubt she will break 80 either day. Maybe Annika is stepping in to preempt the disaster this is going to be. Dave

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Very little "upside" to this event for Annika and the LPGA and a very big "downside". I’m afraid she’ll illustrate how far the LPGA is behind the PGA in talent, and weaken LPGA TV ratings even more. She would have to finish in the Top-10 for this not to hurt the LPGA…and I don’t think she is going to even make the cut… does anyone else think her timing is a bit odd…it wasn’t until all this talk about other female golfers competing with men that Annika mentioned this possibility, and now it is happening…. There are a lot of long par4 holes (450+) there and one of the par5 holes is over 600 yds. Plus the greens tend to the small side. I think she gives up too much in the power department. I’ll be very surprised if she makes the cut. FWIW. I heard DanPatrick talk about playing with her on ESPN radio today. He claims that he was 30 yds longer with the driver. Tour pro’s might be 60 to 80 yards longer. Ken

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I wonderif any men will skip the Colonial for fear of being embarrassed?

I Doubt they’ll skip but I bet there’s an above average amount of grinding done on Friday to make the cut. I bet she beats Garrett Willis and Rich Beam, if they are in the field. Lumpy.

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Very little "upside" to this event for Annika and the LPGA and a very big "downside". I’m afraid she’ll illustrate how far the LPGA is behind the PGA in talent, and weaken LPGA TV ratings even more. She would have to finish in the Top-10 for this not to hurt the LPGA…and I don’t think she is going to even make the cut… does anyone else think her timing is a bit odd…it wasn’t until all this talk about other female golfers competing with men that Annika mentioned this possibility, and now it is happening….

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I wonderif any men will skip the Colonial for fear of being embarrassed?

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Every one is thinking her driving distance is the key to her success at Colonial. I contend its the short game and trouble shots. My reasoning is that in the past few years LPGA pros have been spending more time on increasing distance off the tee and not as much time on their short games assuming they could play with the men from 150yds in. This is a false assumption. With the advance in eqip/ technology most PGA pros have been devoting more time to their short games since most of the time they are hitting 9 irons or less into even long par 4s, and mid irons into par 5s. If you watch LPGA Tournaments and PGA Tournaments you will clearly see that the men get up and down from trouble just off the green with much more consistency. Anika is not going to be hitting 9 irons into long par 4s so she is going to have more trouble shots to contend with.

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There are a lot of long par4 holes (450+) there and one of the par5 holes is over 600 yds. Plus the greens tend to the small side. I think she gives up too much in the power department. I’ll be very surprised if she makes the cut. FWIW. I heard DanPatrick talk about playing with her on ESPN radio today. He claims that he was 30 yds longer with the driver. Tour pro’s might be 60 to 80 yards longer. Ken

I personaly think Annika is the finest What nobody is mentioning is long par threes – my bet is this – she will do well but will have to out think & out accurate the guys – the long par threes (are there at Colonial, I can’t remember) 200plus will be an accuracy problem & the par fives – she will miss on birdies there – these will not be a "given" as with the better men. Regarding the par fours – yes driving distance is a factor but it is not impossible to make pars & even birdies with a long approach shot – possibly, right now she is practising bunker & chipping! I would if I were her. But all in all she will beat a whole lot of others – after all how much did she win in the last two years & didn’t she once shoot 59 in a tournament? She definitely has BMT – there are no stats for this but I believe in her & am the biggest fan of all! Maryanne

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I had the same thought when I heard she was going to Colonial. I think she’ll put some serious work into her long irons/hitting her fairway woods off the deck, and hopefully she’ll have two good ballstriking days. If she can do that, I think she’ll make the cut. I mean, we all know she’s willing to put in the reps on the range. Also, the par threes are fairly short, aren’t they? That’ll help. The other thought I had was that Colonial’s known as a course where you have to work the ball to win. Is anyone here familar enough with Annika’s game to comment on how she works the ball? I watched a fair bit of LPGA coverage last year, and I can’t recall them mentioning that she drew, cut, faded or hooked anything. I mean, the closest I’ve been to Colonial has been in Tiger Woods 2003 on the computer, but I had to learn to move the ball both ways to start getting the ball close to the pins… Todd McGillivray – http://cplhicks.tripod.com/ Emailing me? tmcg at sk dot sympatico dot ca "Hi Principal Skinner! Hi Super Nintendo Chalmers!" — Ralph Wiggum, The Simpsons

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A golf post by Pitts? WOW! Now if he can do the same in the TGC forum …. LOL.

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I’d like to see her do well, but I think she’s in tough. I thought Phil Mickelson had a pretty good comment. — "I’m as curious as anybody to see how the best LPGA player of today, and possibly all time, will play against the men," Phil Mickelson said. "Colonial is a wonderful course for her to do it on." Mickelson, a past champion at Colonial, predicted that Sorenstam would "definitely" make the cut and probably would finish 20th. How will he do? "I hope 19th or better," Mickelson said. — Bruce Bruce E. Newman * Fredericton, NB, Canada http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=newmanb info at benewman dot bizland dot com * http://go.to/bruce_newman

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