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What do you think about Annika at Colonial ?

admin — Wed, 12 Feb 2003 00:00:00 +0000

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I disagree with your top10 comment. I think it would be a big plus for the ladies if she even makes the cut. Ken – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Very little "upside" to this event for Annika and the LPGA and a very big "downside". I’m afraid she’ll illustrate how far the LPGA is behind the PGA in talent, and weaken LPGA TV ratings even more. She would have to finish in the Top-10 for this not to hurt the LPGA…and I don’t think she is going to even make the cut… does anyone else think her timing is a bit odd…it wasn’t until all this talk about other female golfers competing with men that Annika mentioned this possibility, and now it is happening…. There are a lot of long par4 holes (450+) there and one of the par5 holes is over 600 yds. Plus the greens tend to the small side. I think she gives up too much in the power department. I’ll be very surprised if she makes the cut. FWIW. I heard DanPatrick talk about playing with her on ESPN radio today. He claims that he was 30 yds longer with the driver. Tour pro’s might be 60 to 80 yards longer. Ken

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#3 – par3 – can be stretched out to almost 250 yds. Ken – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There are a lot of long par4 holes (450+) there and one of the par5 holes is over 600 yds. Plus the greens tend to the small side. I think she gives up too much in the power department. I’ll be very surprised if she makes the cut. I had the same thought when I heard she was going to Colonial. I think she’ll put some serious work into her long irons/hitting her fairway woods off the deck, and hopefully she’ll have two good ballstriking days. If she can do that, I think she’ll make the cut. I mean, we all know she’s willing to put in the reps on the range. Also, the par threes are fairly short, aren’t they? That’ll help. The other thought I had was that Colonial’s known as a course where you have to work the ball to win. Is anyone here familar enough with Annika’s game to comment on how she works the ball? I watched a fair bit of LPGA coverage last year, and I can’t recall them mentioning that she drew, cut, faded or hooked anything. I mean, the closest I’ve been to Colonial has been in Tiger Woods 2003 on the computer, but I had to learn to move the ball both ways to start getting the ball close to the pins… Todd McGillivray – http://cplhicks.tripod.com/ Emailing me? tmcg at sk dot sympatico dot ca "Hi Principal Skinner! Hi Super Nintendo Chalmers!" — Ralph Wiggum, The Simpsons

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I think it will be interesting. Everyone on the radio I hear keeps saying how the women are better short game players then the men,and this will keep her competitive. However, I remember reading,[or hearing on TV]two respected golf analysts,[one may have been peter Aliss], discussing this fact, and they both said the women pros aren’t close to the men in short game prowess,they just look good because they play much slower greens and have much lower rough around the greens. They said the women would struggle mightily on a men’s course setup.Now, I have no idea if this is true, but if it is, Annika is in some real trouble.Didn’t she struggle big time with the short game at the last Bighorn event with Tiger and Nicklaus? spiker

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There are a lot of long par4 holes (450+) there and one of the par5 holes is over 600 yds. Plus the greens tend to the small side. I think she gives up too much in the power department. I’ll be very surprised if she makes the cut. FWIW. I heard DanPatrick talk about playing with her on ESPN radio today. He claims that he was 30 yds longer with the driver. Tour pro’s might be 60 to 80 yards longer. Ken

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Pretty much true. The 50th or 100th best golfer in the would would go through standard qualifying channels and would be playing on the PGA. That is, unless that same player could qualify for a different tour where that player could win big purses, and that playing on that different tour meant staying away from the Nationwide tour. It wouldn’t be that surprising if she was the 50th or 100th best golfer on the planet, although one tournament won’t show this. She would like to try to find out – but she doesn’t want to quit her day job to do so. But anyway – the PGA is show biz. The spectators pay the bills. If more people want to see Adam Sandler than Meryl Streep – then Adam will get more money. If more people want to see John Daly than Vijay Singh, then John should get the bigger appearance fee. If the best woman golfer in the world will earn the tournament more money from the fans – then the sponsors certainly should use their exemption to get her. I have no problem with Colonial offering the spot or Annika accepting the spot. I hope Annika does well. If I had to bet, it would be that she misses the cut but hopes she does play the weekend so I can watch.

She’s just as much fun to watch than most of the men on the tour. That’s what matters in show biz.

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Brent–Wow!! Apologies if I stepped on your toes. I was only answering the subject question not intending to upset you to the point you misconstrued my post! Different? Well, of course!! And I’m sure you have noticed. It has nothing to do with competing. As I said, "physically & mentally." Worse? If I had meant worse I would have said it. The two words have totally different definitions (look them up!) As for the insult you threw at me regarding "….their own kind" for shame! Of course, I didn’t mean that in the derogatory connotation you concluded. I should have worded it "….their own organization." "Idiotic poster"? Why? because I gave my opinion? In that case, RSG is chock full of "idiotic posters"!! I think, for your own welfare, you just need to chill out. Try a little kindness–it’s free & worth it.

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When it comes to top level male golfers vs. top level female golfer, worse would be the correct word to use.

I agree. The original idiotic poster was trying to say Annika shouldn’t enter a PGA Tour event because she’s "Different" with a capital "D". As if somehow that Difference should preclude competing, which is stupid. If she meant "Worse" she should have said it, although her conclusion would still be ignorant, close-minded and wrong. Rich Beem is not as good a golfer as Tiger Woods, which could also be stated as "Rich Beem is a ‘Worse’golfer than Tiger Woods" but it sure was fun watching Beem win his major. Brent Hutto

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When it comes to top level male golfers vs. top level female golfer, worse would be the correct word to use. Remember that the PGA events are not male events they are open events and if females were not worse, they would regularly compete in these events, because they qualified, not because they were given sponsers excemptions, and would be cashing the larger PGA checks as a result. Does anyone think that the best female golfers are equal to or better than the best male golfers? For that matter can you come up with any sport in which both men and women participate where the top females are thought to be equal to or better than the top males? I am sure there are… I can not think of any off hand. Sorry if I offend the politically correct thinkers but the facts are the facts. I have no problem with Colonial offering the spot or Annika accepting the spot. I hope Annika does well. If I had to bet, it would be that she misses the cut but hopes she does play the weekend so I can watch. Steve

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Frankly, I think it will be a tournament of embarrasements & humiliations. If she plays well, many men (& the PGA) will be embarrased. If she plays poorly, she (& the LPGA) will be embarrased. It will be a no-win situation. I suppose if she won the darned thing that might be a blow to some egos. But let’s say she finishes tied for 14th and 12 shots out of the lead. Do you think somebody like Justin Leonard would be embarrassed if he finished two shots behind here in 21st place? I don’t think more than any other tournament he finished outside the top 20. She is a great WOMAN golfer but we still cannot compete with men. One advantage to her playing in May will be that we’ll know a little more about this question than we can speculate right now. Face it gals. In case you haven’t noticed, we are Different (note with a capital D) both physically & mentally–on the golf course & off. You’re not saying she "Different", you’re saying she "Worse". She & the rest of the LPGA should stick with their own kind as the men are with theirs. I find the phrase "should stick with their own kind" in any context to be one of the most offensive imaginable.

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God forbid somebody do something that would challenge themselves. Go Annika!

My sentiments exactly!

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Only to people who allow themselves to be embarrassed or humiliated. Letting other people get to you isn’t a good recipe for success, especially if the cause is their gender. She is a great WOMAN golfer but we still cannot compete with men. Face it gals. In case you haven’t noticed, we are Different (note with a capital D) both physically & mentally–on the golf course & off.

Yep. She’s a lot different from me. For instance, she can play great golf. She & the rest of the LPGA should stick with their own kind as the men are with theirs.

Think of this as a pro-am event. They don’t HAVE to be Tiger Woods to be worth watching.

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Frankly, I think it will be a tournament of embarrasements & humiliations. If she plays well, many men (& the PGA) will be embarrased. If she plays poorly, she (& the LPGA) will be embarrased. It will be a no-win situation. She is a great WOMAN golfer but we still cannot compete with men. Face it gals. In case you haven’t noticed, we are Different (note with a capital D) both physically & mentally–on the golf course & off. She & the rest of the LPGA should stick with their own kind as the men are with theirs.

God forbid somebody do something that would challenge themselves. Go Annika! tim

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says… There are a lot of long par4 holes (450+) there and one of the par5 holes is over 600 yds. Plus the greens tend to the small side. I think she gives up too much in the power department. I’ll be very surprised if she makes the cut. FWIW. I heard DanPatrick talk about playing with her on ESPN radio today. He claims that he was 30 yds longer with the driver. Tour pro’s might be 60 to 80 yards longer. Ken

I’m not sure she’ll make the cut either. I wish her all the best and I’m going to be glued to set and rooting for her. If she does well, I think she will have done a lot of good for the LPGA. It’s the "These girls can play" idea. OTOH, If she doesn’t cash a check, I’m afraid that it will go to enforcing the idea that LPGA golf is somehow second rate golf. When it was Suzy Whaley, I didn’t see a real downside. Hell, she can’t make it on the LPGA tour, so there really should be no expectations of her doing well. If she doesn’t make the cut, I don’t see a real downside for ladies’ golf. I can’t say that about Annika. Kenny — Kenny Stultz – Troll and SPAM intolerant RSG Rollcall: http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=stultzk "Golf is the only sport where a precise knowledge of the Rules can earn one a reputation for poor sportsmanship"

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Assuming half way decent weather I think you can look for Colonial to break the existing gate records for Thursday and Friday so, in that respect, it is an astute move on the part of the sponsors. It is, after all, about money. I think that she will make the cut and maybe finish in the top 40 or so but don’t give her much chance of finishing above about 25th. Right now, playing the LPGA Tour, Annika can play well within her capabilities and still win regularly. I think that four days of leaning on the driver every tee ball will take its toll on her the last couple of days and she is going to be looking at an awful lot of pecan trees.

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I suppose if she won the darned thing that might be a blow to some egos. But let’s say she finishes tied for 14th and 12 shots out of the lead. Do you think somebody like Justin Leonard would be embarrassed if he finished two shots behind here in 21st place? I don’t think more than any other tournament he finished outside the top 20. She is a great WOMAN golfer but we still cannot compete with men.

One advantage to her playing in May will be that we’ll know a little more about this question than we can speculate right now. Face it gals. In case you haven’t noticed, we are Different (note with a capital D) both physically & mentally–on the golf course & off.

You’re not saying she "Different", you’re saying she "Worse". She & the rest of the LPGA should stick with their own kind as the men are with theirs.

I find the phrase "should stick with their own kind" in any context to be one of the most offensive imaginable.

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One thing is for certain – There is no way in hell she will be allowed to play in shorts at a PGA TOUR event… Burple

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I don’t see how this isn’t a disaster for the LPGA either way; if she plays well and makes a large check she and other top women might start deserting the LPGA tour 3-4 weeks a year for a chance at the big money. If she plays like she did at Bighorn and finishes toward the bottom of the field it just further adds credence to the argument that the women have no game. I love Annika and wish her well but if the top female players are not going to support LPGA why should any of the rest of us. On a similar note why not have Suzy Whaley’s win qualify her to play in the area LPGA event instead of the PGA event, I doubt she will break 80 either day. Maybe Annika is stepping in to preempt the disaster this is going to be. Dave

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Very little "upside" to this event for Annika and the LPGA and a very big "downside". I’m afraid she’ll illustrate how far the LPGA is behind the PGA in talent, and weaken LPGA TV ratings even more. She would have to finish in the Top-10 for this not to hurt the LPGA…and I don’t think she is going to even make the cut… does anyone else think her timing is a bit odd…it wasn’t until all this talk about other female golfers competing with men that Annika mentioned this possibility, and now it is happening…. There are a lot of long par4 holes (450+) there and one of the par5 holes is over 600 yds. Plus the greens tend to the small side. I think she gives up too much in the power department. I’ll be very surprised if she makes the cut. FWIW. I heard DanPatrick talk about playing with her on ESPN radio today. He claims that he was 30 yds longer with the driver. Tour pro’s might be 60 to 80 yards longer. Ken

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I wonderif any men will skip the Colonial for fear of being embarrassed?

I Doubt they’ll skip but I bet there’s an above average amount of grinding done on Friday to make the cut. I bet she beats Garrett Willis and Rich Beam, if they are in the field. Lumpy.

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Very little "upside" to this event for Annika and the LPGA and a very big "downside". I’m afraid she’ll illustrate how far the LPGA is behind the PGA in talent, and weaken LPGA TV ratings even more. She would have to finish in the Top-10 for this not to hurt the LPGA…and I don’t think she is going to even make the cut… does anyone else think her timing is a bit odd…it wasn’t until all this talk about other female golfers competing with men that Annika mentioned this possibility, and now it is happening….

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I wonderif any men will skip the Colonial for fear of being embarrassed?

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Every one is thinking her driving distance is the key to her success at Colonial. I contend its the short game and trouble shots. My reasoning is that in the past few years LPGA pros have been spending more time on increasing distance off the tee and not as much time on their short games assuming they could play with the men from 150yds in. This is a false assumption. With the advance in eqip/ technology most PGA pros have been devoting more time to their short games since most of the time they are hitting 9 irons or less into even long par 4s, and mid irons into par 5s. If you watch LPGA Tournaments and PGA Tournaments you will clearly see that the men get up and down from trouble just off the green with much more consistency. Anika is not going to be hitting 9 irons into long par 4s so she is going to have more trouble shots to contend with.

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There are a lot of long par4 holes (450+) there and one of the par5 holes is over 600 yds. Plus the greens tend to the small side. I think she gives up too much in the power department. I’ll be very surprised if she makes the cut. FWIW. I heard DanPatrick talk about playing with her on ESPN radio today. He claims that he was 30 yds longer with the driver. Tour pro’s might be 60 to 80 yards longer. Ken

I personaly think Annika is the finest What nobody is mentioning is long par threes – my bet is this – she will do well but will have to out think & out accurate the guys – the long par threes (are there at Colonial, I can’t remember) 200plus will be an accuracy problem & the par fives – she will miss on birdies there – these will not be a "given" as with the better men. Regarding the par fours – yes driving distance is a factor but it is not impossible to make pars & even birdies with a long approach shot – possibly, right now she is practising bunker & chipping! I would if I were her. But all in all she will beat a whole lot of others – after all how much did she win in the last two years & didn’t she once shoot 59 in a tournament? She definitely has BMT – there are no stats for this but I believe in her & am the biggest fan of all! Maryanne

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I had the same thought when I heard she was going to Colonial. I think she’ll put some serious work into her long irons/hitting her fairway woods off the deck, and hopefully she’ll have two good ballstriking days. If she can do that, I think she’ll make the cut. I mean, we all know she’s willing to put in the reps on the range. Also, the par threes are fairly short, aren’t they? That’ll help. The other thought I had was that Colonial’s known as a course where you have to work the ball to win. Is anyone here familar enough with Annika’s game to comment on how she works the ball? I watched a fair bit of LPGA coverage last year, and I can’t recall them mentioning that she drew, cut, faded or hooked anything. I mean, the closest I’ve been to Colonial has been in Tiger Woods 2003 on the computer, but I had to learn to move the ball both ways to start getting the ball close to the pins… Todd McGillivray – http://cplhicks.tripod.com/ Emailing me? tmcg at sk dot sympatico dot ca "Hi Principal Skinner! Hi Super Nintendo Chalmers!" — Ralph Wiggum, The Simpsons

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A golf post by Pitts? WOW! Now if he can do the same in the TGC forum …. LOL.

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I’d like to see her do well, but I think she’s in tough. I thought Phil Mickelson had a pretty good comment. — "I’m as curious as anybody to see how the best LPGA player of today, and possibly all time, will play against the men," Phil Mickelson said. "Colonial is a wonderful course for her to do it on." Mickelson, a past champion at Colonial, predicted that Sorenstam would "definitely" make the cut and probably would finish 20th. How will he do? "I hope 19th or better," Mickelson said. — Bruce Bruce E. Newman * Fredericton, NB, Canada http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=newmanb info at benewman dot bizland dot com * http://go.to/bruce_newman

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how do I get my wife to golf?

admin — Tue, 03 Dec 2002 00:00:00 +0000

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I got married about six months ago, and my wife is wonderful in every way. Well, except that she doesn’t golf. Worse, she seems to have some resistance to the idea, as she thinks it’s something rich old people do while wearing funny clothes. She’s young (28) and strong (5′7", 140 lbs) and was a pretty good athlete in highschool, and it’s possible she might even like it if she got started in the right way. I’m thinking of getting her a set of clubs and maybe a package of lessons. There’s a community college here that offers them for groups of women. I did manage to teach her to drive a standard transmission without too much difficulty, but I’m not sure it’s the best approach here. I don’t want there to be friction because of the amount of golf I play. What I’d like is for her to play enough to see the beauty of the game, so she’d love it as much as I do. Ideas?

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She’s young (28) and strong (5′7", 140 lbs)

Save the marriage, and teach her to caddy.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I got married about six months ago, and my wife is wonderful in every way. Well, except that she doesn’t golf. Worse, she seems to have some resistance to the idea, as she thinks it’s something rich old people do while wearing funny clothes. She’s young (28) and strong (5′7", 140 lbs) and was a pretty good athlete in highschool, and it’s possible she might even like it if she got started in the right way. I’m thinking of getting her a set of clubs and maybe a package of lessons. There’s a community college here that offers them for groups of women. I did manage to teach her to drive a standard transmission without too much difficulty, but I’m not sure it’s the best approach here. I don’t want there to be friction because of the amount of golf I play. What I’d like is for her to play enough to see the beauty of the game, so she’d love it as much as I do. Ideas?

I think that is a marvelous idea. You might want to get her some used clubs to start with, perhaps a 5w, 5iron, 7iron, 9iron putter. Once she has taken more of an interest and developed after the lessons, then have her fitted for a decent set. Certainly lessons at the local CC with other women will make her learning environment comfortable, and hopefully a good experience. She can always continue on if the college offers more advanced group classes, plus individual lessons. My wife has no interest in playing golf whatsoever, but that is fine – she tried it once and didn’t think it was for her. We came to the agreement that she wouldn’t play golf and I wouldn’t play with her sewing machine!!!! — David RSG Roll Call http://rec-sport-golf.com/members?rollcall=sneddond email: dsneddon AT cogeco DOT ca

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If you can coach her to the point where she impacts a golf ball fairly solidly once out of 10 whacks, she will be hooked. That thrill is unique and is THE principal reason the game is so seductive. With lessons or SOMEthing… probably your own smarts, provided you can keep it simple… Worth a try? GH

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No dearie, that is called the Indian Princess meets the Captain of the Bluecoats.

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says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I got married about six months ago, and my wife is wonderful in every way. Well, except that she doesn’t golf. Worse, she seems to have some resistance to the idea, as she thinks it’s something rich old people do while wearing funny clothes. She’s young (28) and strong (5′7", 140 lbs) and was a pretty good athlete in highschool, and it’s possible she might even like it if she got started in the right way. I’m thinking of getting her a set of clubs and maybe a package of lessons. There’s a community college here that offers them for groups of women. I did manage to teach her to drive a standard transmission without too much difficulty, but I’m not sure it’s the best approach here. I don’t want there to be friction because of the amount of golf I play. What I’d like is for her to play enough to see the beauty of the game, so she’d love it as much as I do. Ideas?

Been there, done that. When I got married my wife told me that golf was a wimp sport. She had absolutely no interest in it at all. I made no attempt to get her to play. I just went and played when I had the opportunity. I didn’t overdo it, but I was not going to quit playing. One day I’m chipping balls in the back yard and she steps out on the deck and announces that she wants to learn to play golf. I’m like "WFT????" She said she decided that there were worse things than spending a Sunday afternoon outside in the fresh air with her husband. That was a few years ago. Now she’s played in three RSG events, so miracles can happen. So he’s my advice: 1. Let her see how much you love the game 2. You can bring up that Sunday afternoon in the fresh air idea, but don’t push hard. She’s got to decide she wants to play herself. 3. Whatever you do, DO NOT TRY AND TEACH HER YOURSELF. Get her some lessons right off the bat. 4. If she goes for it, insist that she do some driving range duty before she sets foot on a course and the first time you take her to a course pick a time when it’s least crowded. If you put her in a situation the first time out when she’s rushed and gets half the course backed up behind her, she’s not going to be having any fun and won’t be inclined to try again. 5. NEVER, EVER, give her tips or swing advice unless she asks for it, and then only address her specific questions. I’ve seen more than one well meaning husband turn his wife off of golf because he couldn’t keep his mouth shut and had to give swing advice after every swing she makes. I don’t know what it is that makes 90% of husbands think that they’re Butch Harmon as soon as their wife picks up a club, but it’s asking for trouble. HTH and sorry for the rambling Kenny — Kenny Stultz – Troll and SPAM intolerant RSG Rollcall: http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=stultzk "Golf is the only sport where a precise knowledge of the Rules can earn one a reputation for poor sportsmanship"

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That was a few years ago. Now she’s played in three RSG events, so miracles can happen.

Kenny, has your season ended ? Who is on winter firewood duty ? — http://www.rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=hayesd Troll Intolerant: http://rec-sport-golf.com/newsgroup/philosophy.html Q: When is 500 less than 182 ? A: http://rec-sport-golf.com/pompousimpact/

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Well, since this is almost me (I won’t say which one…) I would offer a few things for you….. 1. When in doubt, tell her straight out that you would love for her to go out golfing with you one time to see if this would be something she would enjoy. Offering a "trade" of time would possibly benefit, like doing something you might not really like but would do so to spend some quality time.

Bob Dye: Please respond

admin — Tue, 12 Nov 2002 00:00:00 +0000

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On 13-Nov-2002, Frostback Um…. Not sure how this one applies. It’s an

umbrella organization – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – of organizations. There is no rule prohibiting male members. There is no rule prohibiting female members at Augusta National. You can’t say that. Just because it is true. Of course, there’s no rule saying a woman can’t be president of the US, or Mayor of New York City either..but that’s not the point here for some reason. In any event, you can’t say that. That’s not the issue here. I can say that when I am responding to the above argument. Saying that organization XXXX is different than Augusta National

because it has "no rule prohibiting male members" is not a meaningful argument, so

I pointed that out. Howard, either you missed the tongue-in-cheek nature of Rob’s post, or I missed it in yours. Either way, one of us missed it! :) Dave

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K, lets see the first three have nothing to do with golf and so it would be inappropriate to post to this forum concerning them.

That was a cop out. And shows that you want to change the subject because you have no rebutal Regarding the Ladies Golf Club of Toronto, when they have a tournament that is open to the public and it is broadcast over the public airways then they too (IMO) should be required to end all exclusionary practices.

what? they still are a private club. what does a tourney or broadcast have to do with that? I speak without any knowledge

Yes you do…because…see below of Canadian law so they may

have a different legal position but morally I would feel as stated. U.S. law has nothing to say about the Augusta issue in the US either. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Bob Dye Still Hacking Away No Mulligans, Putting them all in First Round of Golf 1951 (remove spaces to email)

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[snip] Until the hypocrisy of the aforementioned is dealt with, there is no need for an organization that is in compliance with the law to do anything it doesn’t want to do.

Um, why does ANGC get a pass until the whole world is perfect? And as for there being a "need", Ms. Burk is attempting to create that "need" outside of the law in the court of public opinion. That is her right too. It remains to be seen whether she will be successful.

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Um…. Not sure how this one applies. It’s an umbrella organization of organizations. There is no rule prohibiting male members. There is no rule prohibiting female members at Augusta National. You can’t say that. Just because it is true. Of course, there’s no rule saying a woman can’t be president of the US, or Mayor of New York City either..but that’s not the point here for some reason. In any event, you can’t say that. That’s not the issue here.

I can say that when I am responding to the above argument. Saying that organization XXXX is different than Augusta National because it has "no rule prohibiting male members" is not a meaningful argument, so I pointed that out.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Um…. Not sure how this one applies. It’s an umbrella organization of organizations. There is no rule prohibiting male members. There is no rule prohibiting female members at Augusta National. You can’t say that. Just because it is true. Of course, there’s no rule saying a woman can’t be president of the US, or Mayor of New York City either..but that’s not the point here for some reason. In any event, you can’t say that. That’s not the issue here. I can say that when I am responding to the above argument. Saying that organization XXXX is different than Augusta National because it has "no rule prohibiting male members" is not a meaningful argument, so I pointed that out.

Where is the ANGC rule prohibiting women. members vote on the admission of nominated individuals. I have never heard of a rule that says a woman cannot be nominated. There is in fact no female member of AGNC, nor has there ever been. The president of the US is not a woman, nor has there ever been a female president, despite the fact that the majortiy of US voters are female. An all male organization has no female members. A free nation where most of the voters are female has never has a female president. These things *HAVE* to mean something different for your arguement to hold water, of course, but they don’t. In both cases its free people excercizing free choice. BTW, I don’t think anyone cares if radical feminists boycott The Masters. In fact, I think it is in fact preferred that they boycott The Masters, as they have done since it’s inception. Rob — Service is the rent we pay for being RSG Masters 2002 ( http://home.att.net/~janellenrob/RSG-MS_02.html ) RSG Masters 2003 ( http://home.att.net/~janellenrob/RSG-MS-03P.html )

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All-women’s health clubs Boy Scouts/Girl Guides NCWO Um…. Not sure how this one applies. It’s an umbrella organization of organizations. There is no rule prohibiting male members. There is no rule prohibiting female members at Augusta National.

You can’t say that. Just because it is true. Of course, there’s no rule saying a woman can’t be president of the US, or Mayor of New York City either..but that’s not the point here for some reason. In any event, you can’t say that. That’s not the issue here. Rob — Service is the rent we pay for being RSG Masters 2002 ( http://home.att.net/~janellenrob/RSG-MS_02.html ) RSG Masters 2003 ( http://home.att.net/~janellenrob/RSG-MS-03P.html )

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Actually, none of us know. The membership policies are private and members aren’t allowed to publicly discuss them.

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Food for thought… All-women’s health clubs Boy Scouts/Girl Guides NCWO Ladies Golf Club of Toronto Since your target of your constant diatribes seems to be Augusta and only Augusta, lete me state in advance I appreciate your justification for the above organizations and their exclusionary practices in your response. Failing that, I appreciate your coming to the realization that the hypocrisy grows with your every word on the subject, and refraining from commenting further.

K, lets see the first three have nothing to do with golf and so it would be inappropriate to post to this forum concerning them. Regarding the Ladies Golf Club of Toronto, when they have a tournament that is open to the public and it is broadcast over the public airways then they too (IMO) should be required to end all exclusionary practices. I speak without any knowledge of Canadian law so they may have a different legal position but morally I would feel as stated. Bob Dye Still Hacking Away No Mulligans, Putting them all in First Round of Golf 1951 (remove spaces to email) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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All-women’s health clubs Boy Scouts/Girl Guides NCWO Um…. Not sure how this one applies. It’s an umbrella organization of organizations. There is no rule prohibiting male members.

There is no rule prohibiting female members at Augusta National.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Food for thought… All-women’s health clubs Boy Scouts/Girl Guides NCWO Ladies Golf Club of Toronto Since your target of your constant diatribes seems to be Augusta and only Augusta, lete me state in advance I appreciate your justification for the above organizations and their exclusionary practices in your response. Failing that, I appreciate your coming to the realization that the hypocrisy grows with your every word on the subject, and refraining from commenting further. K, lets see the first three have nothing to do with golf and so it would be inappropriate to post to this forum concerning them. Regarding the Ladies Golf Club of Toronto, when they have a tournament that is open to the public and it is broadcast over the public airways then they too (IMO) should be required to end all exclusionary practices. I speak without any knowledge of Canadian law so they may have a different legal position but morally I would feel as stated.

Inappropriate to comment? Now it’s inappropriate to comment? How is there a difference between a women’s only health club and a men’s only golf club? Hell, the difference is legislators had to specifically exempt the gyms from the anti-discrimination laws because they couldn’t fall under private business category, so they weren’t exempt automatically. The situation is exactly the same with regards to LGCT, except that since it’s women, nothing’s wrong. Lorne Rubenstein even told me that he felt LGCT, Pine Valley or any of the other single sex clubs were germane to the situation. They are the same thing. The fact Augusta’s Invitational is popular and draws an audience does not impose "responsibilities" on to the hosts. Sure it would be nice to have all clubs be for everyone, but the real world is not like that. Plus, no one has yet to show that membership in a private club is something that is necessary, like education, employment, etc. Until the hypocrisy of the aforementioned is dealt with, there is no need for an organization that is in compliance with the law to do anything it doesn’t want to do.

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Food for thought… All-women’s health clubs Boy Scouts/Girl Guides NCWO

Um…. Not sure how this one applies. It’s an umbrella organization of organizations. There is no rule prohibiting male members. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ladies Golf Club of Toronto Since your target of your constant diatribes seems to be Augusta and only Augusta, lete me state in advance I appreciate your justification for the above organizations and their exclusionary practices in your response. Failing that, I appreciate your coming to the realization that the hypocrisy grows with your every word on the subject, and refraining from commenting further.

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Online Petition Against Martha Burk (Web Address)

admin — Mon, 04 Nov 2002 00:00:00 +0000

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Ed, Thank you for your comments. The mistake I made was in NOT proofreading it. Stupid, I know. Actually, I am a former sportswriter and editor. I do not need outside help in editing my stuff. My mistake was in my being hasty. Mark Harman

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Oops, forgot to enclose the web address in my original post: http://www.petitiononline.com/augusta/petition.html Mark Harman

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"…call on the Ladies Golf Club of Toronto to admit a men into its membership…" That should be either "admit men" or "admit a man". Your last sentence, with its fractured structure and the "cease and desist" redundancy, will have them rolling in the aisles at the NCWO. If you’ve already ceased, how can you also desist? If you’re going to do something like this, you better make damn sure you get it grammatically correct. Otherwise, the instrument has zero credibility and will be dismissed forthwith. If you go forward with this, I suggest you get an experienced English teacher to edit it for you. If you don’t, you and everyone who signs it will look pretty foolish.

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help buying a set of ladies golf clubs

admin — Thu, 28 Mar 2002 00:00:00 +0000

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Hello, I am a begginner at golf and want to buy a reasonable priced set of clubs before I make the big investment. What brands are good for begginners. I have seen some reasonably priced Wilson and Spaulding sets.

Getting properly fit is far more important than brand. Go into a few golf shops and buy from the one that seems to pay the most attention to watching you setup with a club and swinging on their indoor hitting area.

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Lani, when I started playing, I borrowed a friend’s set for a short time but then went to a club fitter and had a 1/2 set made (just the odd irons, couple woods). this has the advantage being less expensive, and of having the clubs fit to your dimensions and swing. later I got the rest of the clubs made. -Leslie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, I am a begginner at golf and want to buy a reasonable priced set of clubs before I make the big investment. What brands are good for begginners. I have seen some reasonably priced Wilson and Spaulding sets. thank you for your help. lani

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Since when did spelling become a sport

admin — Fri, 01 Jun 2001 00:00:00 +0000

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Ok, a lot of my friends (ignorant fools that they are) don’t think golf is a sport. (damn fools haven’t even gripped a club, and they think it isn’t a sport, but i digress) so what’s ESPN doing telecasting the goddamn spelling bee contest when the US Women’s open is on. My god, i didn’t even know they bumped it to ESPN2, and up here in Canada, we don’t have an affiliate that broadcasts that channel. So i missed 2 days of ladies golf. Blah.

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We know for certain that the spelling bee participants never post in Usenet, anyhow… I agree that it doesn’t belong on ESPN, but I’m not sure where they ought to show it instead. MTV, maybe? — Eliyahu Rooff www.geocities.com/Area51/Underworld/8096/HomePage.htm RSG Rollcall http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/rooffe.htm

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I think the Women’s US Open’s being covered by TSN for the first 2 days and then gets broadcasted on NBC, I believe over the weekend. Oh, checking with their website, they’re showing the weekend coverage as well. That’s a first. My god, i didn’t even know they bumped it to ESPN2, and up here in Canada, we don’t have an affiliate that broadcasts that channel.

CTV Sports Net airs some of the ESPN stuff, such as The Last Word with that little weasel Jim Rome, some boxing shows, and of course, during the NFL season, they air ESPN’s coverage, but the US Women’s Open’s being covered by TSN this week though. Surprisingly, TSN’s covering the Memorial too this week. I noticed that ESPN doens’t air as many golf tourneys on Thursdays and Fridays as one would think. It seems USA Networks or something like that does that even more than ESPN when it comes to weekday golf coverage. We of course don’t get USA Networks, but you can get pretty good tv time of the LPGA and PGA’s tourney coverage (major included of course) on either TSN or CTVSN for Thursdays and Fridays. Heck, for the PGA majors and the Ryder Cup and I think even for the President’s Cup, the coverage is usually about 6-8 hours a day. My VCR’s working overtime on those days, I tell ya. What’s ironic of course is that none of the Canadian sports channels or even the TV stations cover the CPGA tourneys. So i missed 2 days of ladies golf. Blah.

You didn’t have to if you checked your local listings Steve

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History channel, Space station, local network, i don’t care. Just don’t take away the golf from me. =) Hell, they can do it on ABC in primetime for all I’d care. As long as they broadcast it when the sun is down, and no more live coverage of golf is on.

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Yeah, that’s what I thought till i tuned in yesterday and today. And What do i get? That’s right, kids with glasses so thick it’s like a worm hole trying to spell words they’ll never use in their life.

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ESPN first aired the National Spelling Bee back during the baseball strike of ‘97(?)when they needed programming (same time they were doing the National Putt Putt Golf Championships) and found that it drew pretty good ratings numbers so they’ve made it a regular thing now. Jay Beckman Chandler, AZ — To reply…replace .nospam with .com

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ok, a lot of my friends (ignorant fools that they are) don’t think golf is a sport. (damn fools haven’t even gripped a club, and they think it isn’t a sport, but i digress) so what’s ESPN doing telecasting the goddamn spelling bee contest when the US Women’s open is on. My god, i didn’t even know they bumped it to ESPN2, and up here in Canada, we don’t have an affiliate that broadcasts that channel. So i missed 2 days of ladies golf. Blah.

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Cyril, You know what ABC stands for, right? American Broadcasting Company. NBC? National Broadcasting Company. CBS? Columbia Broadcasting System. HBO? Home Box Office. But do you know what ESPN stands for? I’ll give you a moment to ponder the question… … … … … … … … … … … … … … … … Well, did you know the answer? Entertainment and Sports Programming Network. When it was first launched, I don’t think they really knew for sure if they’d find sufficient material available to go 24/7 with all-sports, all-the-time, what with their limited start-up budget and the enormous rights fees required to air live major sporting events. (Maybe a little less for those national table tennis championships and celebrity wrist-wrestling competitions.) Although I’d be hard-pressed to name any "entertainment" programming they’ve aired, a la Sanford and Son. Somehow I don’t thing spelling bees were ever supposed to be part of the deal, though. However, spelling bees are probably better television than some of the junk they aired in the early years. Randy

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Sorry Randy, I’m a Canadian, so you’ll have to pardon my ignorance on the acronym of ESPN. [trivia pursuit snipped] Somehow I don’t thing spelling bees were ever supposed to be part of the deal, though. However, spelling bees are probably better television than some of the junk they aired in the early years. Randy

I dunno about that. I’d rather watch lawn bowling then watch some kid with glasses thick as a plexiglass spell some weird-ass word when all he could’ve done was press for the spell chk button. =P As for the table-tennis championship. Heh, I had a chance to catch that on CBC today. (Canadian broadcast..blahblbah) And it’s not that bad at all. Of course i play that in the winter as well as badminton, so maybe i know what to appreciate. But those guys and gals’ speed and hand-eye coordination are something else.

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How about that Sorenstam

admin — Sat, 14 Apr 2001 00:00:00 +0000

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Sorry if this is a duplicate; my usual posting server seems to be sick. It seems to me I heard somewhere that P

Stretching exercise program?????

admin — Tue, 23 Jan 2001 00:00:00 +0000

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I wonder how that machine that Tom Kite endorses is. Not that I have room for anything like that. — Jon

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Check out Fit for Golf by Gary Player. Anyone out ther have a stretching program devoted to the golfing enthusiast. It is about four months before golf season begins here in Northern Ontario and I’m looking at losing 50 lbs and getting in shape before I have to hit balls. Thanks for any help. Stuart.

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I got a small booklet for free from the Edwin Watts Golf Shop in Memphis last winter entitled "Stretch to Play." Our Ladies Golf Assn plays each Tues morning and were fortunate enough to have a member that is a dance instructor. She showed us exactly how to do each stretch and elaborated on its purpose. Stretching replaced "donuts". It was a wonderful habit to start which has stuck with many of us. Jane in Missouri

Anyone out ther have a stretching program devoted to the golfing enthusiast. It is about four months before golf season begins here in Northern Ontario and I’m looking at losing 50 lbs and getting in shape before I have to hit balls. Thanks for any help. Stuart.

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I’m terribly sorry, but you’re incorrect. Nothing, but NOTHING can replace donuts. :) Mike Mike Dalecki–Charter Member, RSG Clique I do not patronize spammers! Help keep RSG clean. Expect the same etiquette from me on RSG as on the golf course. RSG Roll Call: http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/daleckim.htm

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http://www.eas.com/sportsspecific/ Try this link. Click on "Sport specific program". You have to fill out a short form but it is totally free and seems to work well(for me anyway). Matt

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone out ther have a stretching program devoted to the golfing enthusiast. It is about four months before golf season begins here in Northern Ontario and I’m looking at losing 50 lbs and getting in shape before I have to hit balls. Thanks for any help. Stuart.

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The best general book on stretching is "Stretching" by Bob Anderson. He has 16 exercises tailored for golf. His golf exercises help one to increase flexibility, make full turns, and hit the ball solidly with more speed. Following his general regime also decreases risks of joint problems. Enjoy!….John

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Hi Stuart- I also have decided to lose weight and gain some strength for the upcoming golf season. I did some research and settled on a book to help "The Fitness Approach To power Golf" by John Carrido. It is subtitled- How to build strength, increase flexibility, and improve your swing by making your body part of your equipment. It also has some dietary advise. Cost $13.95 US$ and seems well worth it. Now I have to do my part ! Good luck

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Check out Fit for Golf by Gary Player.

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Stuart: It’s my opinion that stretching alone *isn’t* very effective in becoming more flexible for golf. Your advance in flexibility will be greater if you combine it with cardio *and* strength training. The stronger muscles seem much more responsive to properly applied flexibility exercises. Plus as you lose weight from certain areas you’ll find that others become more flexible as well when you don’t have a spare tire in the way! :-) This site kind of confirms that fact, although I’m not sure how scientific their research was. Interesting nonetheless…. http://www.medxonline.com/Golf/ I started a pretty serious program in November and my workouts (3-4 days/week) include work in all three areas. I have about 30-40 lbs. to lose and wanted more flexibility for performance and injury prevention. I’ve tried doing this before but this is the first time I’ve *ever* incorporated weight training and it has made a HUGE difference in my level of flexibility in a relatively short time (8 weeks) Here’s a synopsis….(I know it’s long…..sorry!) 1. Brief 10-15 minutes of brisk walking/jogging (treadmill) to warm up muscles –very important that the muscles be warm *before* stretching to make stretches more effective 2. 20-30 minutes of concentrating stretching –I usually focus a little more on the stretching the area that I will be weight training later that session (upper vs. lower body) –make sure you (1) relax and breath during the stretch as much as possible (2) gradually increase and hold the stretch for 30 seconds (most people only stretch for 5-10 seconds) (3) repeat the stretch 2-3 times for an additional 30 seconds- -repeating really makes a difference! Focus areas: calves, hamstrings (do 3-4 different hamstring stretches), thighs, quads, glutes, hip flexor, bi, tri, rotator cuff 3. Strength training (upper body 1-2x/week, lower body 1-2x/week) (my trainer started me on only low weights 1 set/10x for first 4-6 weeks; then increased to original weight 1 set/8x; rest 15 seconds; next higher weight 2 sets/6x (with 15 sec. rest in between those too) **Continuous stretching of worked areas between exercises is very important** (Your weight tolerances might differ–IOW, I’m a wennie..:-) ) Upper strength exercises: –standing/sitting lat pulls (on lat machine)–45-60 lbs –standing tricep extension (on lat machine)–35-45 lbs. –bench press–85-100 lbs –prone fly w/dumbbells–15-20 lbs. –two arm bicep curls–35-55 lbs. Lower body strength exercises: –leg press (machine)–280-320 lbs. –calf raises (leg press machine)–280-320 lbs. –hamstring curl–80-100 lbs. –seated leg extension–100-120 lbs. –squats/lunges–35-50 lbs. 4. 30-40 minutes of cardio work (I prefer an elliptical machine, but can be running, biking, stairs, rowing) –I try to vary the intensity so if I do 4 workouts/week, I’ll do one of each (based on heart rate….)…(1) low intensity (HR 120-140) 30 minutes; (2) low intensity (same as #1) 40 minutes; (3) high intensity (HR 140-160) 30 minutes; (4) high intensity (same as #3) 40 minutes –low intensity is supposed to burn more fat; high intensity is good for cardiovascular endurance/strength 5. 20-30 minutes of concentrated stretching again 6. abdominal exercises –30-50 regular crunches –30-50 oblique crunches –15-30 lower ab crunches Takes me about two to two and a half hours for a workout, but man does it feel good. Like someone else here said, the best thing you can do is also drink a lot of water. I shoot for 2 liters/day (half gallon–64 fl oz.)–especially important on workout days. Here’s a great book at site to refer to: "Physical Golf" by Neil Wolkodoff. Regarded as one of the best golf training book out there. I own it and it’s pretty comprehensive to say the least! :-) http://www.golf.com/yourgame/physicalgolf/wolkodoff.html Hope this helps. — Washington State University "That shot is impossible!…Jack Nicholson himself couldn’t make it!"– Homer Simpson

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Match made in heaven: Karrie Webb vs. Tiger

admin — Mon, 24 Jul 2000 00:00:00 +0000

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Athletically, Tiger is not from another planet. Read the thread

"one in million?"." OTOH, I’m not sure superathletes like the Williams sisters would rule, if they had been golfers. Half of the game is about touch, something that doesn’t always go hand in hand with being strong and/or fast. David

Normally I would tend to agree with you…but if you watched the Wimbledon ladies singles final between Venus Williams and Lindsay Davenport earlier this month, you would see Williams was using drop shots on Davenport, so she’s learning about touch…whether or not she could translate those skills to golf is hard to say. Tennis requires finesse too..drop shots and slice are just as important as blasting away from the baseline or bombing a big serve up the middle or out wide…it’s a matter of using the right shot in the right situation, like in golf…timing and placement is everything in tennis, as well as shot selection. The Williams sisters are definitely great athletes, but it’s hard to say whether or not their athleticism will translate into success in golf…first of all, does either sister or both sisters even play the game? That’s the first question…even if with their athletic prowess, it will take them sometime to learn the game and the intricacies involved and strategy to use if they are learning from scratch…all superstar athletes started from scratch and honed their talents for their specific sport(s). Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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Tennis requires a lot of touch in order to place their shots where they want

them. That’s true, but even the softest tennis shots would at best be equivalent to a pitch shot. There is no touch shot in tennis roughly equivalent to the touch required by putting, which of course is nearly have the game. And in baseball, similarly with the occasional bunt. David

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Athletically, Tiger is not from another planet. Read the thread "one in million?". OTOH, I’m not sure superathletes like the Williams sisters would rule, if they had been golfers. Half of the game is about touch, something that doesn’t always go hand in hand with being strong and/or fast.

What kind of golfer might someone like Ken Griffey Jr. have made? What about Barry Bonds, Barry Larkin, etc if they had grown up golfers instead of baseball players? dsc – acssysdsc

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Tennis requires a lot of touch in order to place their shots where they want them.

| Athletically, Tiger is not from another planet. Read the thread "one in | million?". | | OTOH, I’m not sure superathletes like the Williams sisters would rule, if they | had been golfers. Half of the game is about touch, something that doesn’t | always go hand in hand with being strong and/or fast. | | David |

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Hello…A typical long par 4 in our area of say 460 yds from the tips and fairly soft fairways would have TW playing a driver and a 8 or 9 iron. CW from the red/ladies tees from about 300 yds would likely play a driver and a partial lob wedge. The 3 tour challenge approach makes the LPGA players play from much further back than the "red" tees to even it out. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Are you serious or just out of touch with reality? When they play the 3 tour exhibition tournament they set the course up so that all of the players have about the same iron approach into the greens, except you can’t do that with Tiger or for example Laura Davies because they are so far out of the "normal" distances. In the final analysis you have to admit that Tiger is from another planet and is no longer limited in his ability because we do not have Kryptonite on this planet. On most good courses, Karrie [& many other LPGA players] would clean Tiger’s clock IF they played from the official "ladies" tees with Tiger playing from the tips. MOST LPGA events have tees more equivalent to medium men’s tees (~6000 yds). Most courses’ ladies tees range in the 4500-5000 yd categories. Karrie & co. would be easily reaching ALL the par 5’s from the front tees and would have short irons to the green on almost every par 3 or 4. The LPGA players can really putt well too. Even in the year end "Three Tour Challenge" event, the LPGA players aren’t allowed to play from the front[red] tees. Women’s tees, men’s tees. think anyone would tune in to see that, lol. David

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I think the course Karie just won on (which spurred this thread) was playing around 6800 yards… if I heard correctly the other day. dsc – acssysdsc

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Are you serious or just out of touch with reality? When they play the 3 tour exhibition tournament they set the course up so that all of the players have about the same iron approach into the greens, except you can’t do that with Tiger or for example Laura Davies because they are so far out of the "normal" distances. In the final analysis you have to admit that Tiger is from another planet and is no longer limited in his ability because we do not have Kryptonite on this planet. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – On most good courses, Karrie [& many other LPGA players] would clean Tiger’s clock IF they played from the official "ladies" tees with Tiger playing from the tips. MOST LPGA events have tees more equivalent to medium men’s tees (~6000 yds). Most courses’ ladies tees range in the 4500-5000 yd categories. Karrie & co. would be easily reaching ALL the par 5’s from the front tees and would have short irons to the green on almost every par 3 or 4. The LPGA players can really putt well too. Even in the year end "Three Tour Challenge" event, the LPGA players aren’t allowed to play from the front[red] tees. Women’s tees, men’s tees. think anyone would tune in to see that, lol. David

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Ladies golf has a long way to go. The PGA Tour needs Tiger to take it to the next level, but the LPGA might well be less competitive now than it was in the 1970s. With Tiger in the PGA Tour I can see "real" male athletes taking an interest in golf, but I have no idea why a woman would rather play on the LPGA Tour if she could run, skate, play soccer, beach volleyball, or just about anything else instead.

Except the money. AFAIK, you can’t win US$750,000 playing beach volleyball. Cheers Colin Wilson Australian handicap: 10.1 RSG Roll Call: http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/wilsonc.htm

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Women’s tees, men’s tees. think anyone would tune in to see that, lol.

Yes… I would. dsc – acssysdsc

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You can make a living. All in all there’s probably more money in golf. If a few women with physiques like, say, Venus Williams took up golf, the sport would change very quickly. -joseph — Joseph N. Hall … perl, golf, music, and so on Music – http://www.digitalweapons.com Book — http://www.effectiveperl.com The Usual Crap — http://www.5sigma.com/joseph

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Even if you managed to totally cancel Tiger’s power advantage he would still win because he has a better short game.

I totally agree. Karrie’s short game is relatively mundane. But on the other hand, the women don’t play many setups where a deft touch with a high lofted wedge is required. Ladies golf has a long way to go. The PGA Tour needs Tiger to take it to the next level, but the LPGA might well be less competitive now than it was in the 1970s. With Tiger in the PGA Tour I can see "real" male athletes taking an interest in golf, but I have no idea why a woman would rather play on the LPGA Tour if she could run, skate, play soccer, beach volleyball, or just about anything else instead. -joseph — Joseph N. Hall … perl, golf, music, and so on Music – http://www.digitalweapons.com Book — http://www.effectiveperl.com The Usual Crap — http://www.5sigma.com/joseph

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On most good courses, Karrie [& many other LPGA players] would clean Tiger’s clock IF they played from the official "ladies" tees with Tiger playing from the tips. MOST LPGA events have tees more equivalent to medium men’s tees (~6000 yds). Most courses’ ladies tees range in the 4500-5000 yd categories. Karrie & co. would be easily reaching ALL the par 5’s from the front tees and would have short irons to the green on almost every par 3 or 4. The LPGA players can really putt well too. Even in the year end "Three Tour Challenge" event, the LPGA players aren’t allowed to play from the front[red] tees.

Even if you managed to totally cancel Tiger’s power advantage he would still win because he has a better short game.

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I think we’re about to see the 2 greatest players of their respective tours! I can’t really believe Tiger’s win, it was so comprehensive, and so well controlled. I have now seen the best player in my lifetime - and I’m over 60! And, for good measure, I’ve also seen the best female player in my lifetime. And I’m an Oz, so its doubly rewarding. What two great tournaments won by two great players! — Regards Barrie Smart The Wizard of Oz!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Women’s tees, men’s tees. think anyone would tune in to see that, lol. David

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Women’s tees, men’s tees. think anyone would tune in to see that, lol. David

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Women’s tees, men’s tees. think anyone would tune in to see that, lol. David

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Women’s tees, men’s tees. think anyone would tune in to see that, lol. David

They are cancelling "Surgical" Garcia’s match with Tiger in favor of one with "Scary" Webb at this very moment. -joseph — Joseph N. Hall … perl, golf, music, and so on Music – http://www.digitalweapons.com Book — http://www.effectiveperl.com The Usual Crap — http://www.5sigma.com/joseph

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master the masters

admin — Wed, 05 Apr 2000 00:00:00 +0000

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And – if he doesn’t make the cut – he’ll join a long list of top players that exited after 2 rounds at Augusta in their first try – such as Nicklaus, Crenshaw, Kite etc.

He can’t join a list of top players if he isn’t one. It remains to be seen whether that will come to pass. Seems like 9 out of 10 brilliant young golfers fizzle in their pro careers. All that shows is that talent is great when you’re a young amateur and don’t have a real life and don’t even have a year-round season. It takes more than talent to make a living out of golf though. The list of great young amateurs who’ve gone on to become great young pros in recent years is really short. "Tiger Woods." Ladies golf seems more accomodating to amateurs making their entrance … for now, anyway. -joseph

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AFAIK, Baddeley has never played in the US Amateur. He has played in the US Junior Amateur, losing the final in 1998 (?) to Oh.

Almost Colin. He did play in the US Amateur qualifying last year but didn’t get through. Apparently his game was a bit off at the time. Cheers RA

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I thought he played at Pebble Beach last year, only to lose in the semis?

The semi-finals of the US Amateur in 1999 were: Dave Gossett def. Ben Curtis, 2 and 1. Sung Yoon Kim, Korea def. Hunter Haas, 4 and 3. It’s at http://www.usamateur.org Cheers Colin Wilson Current Australian handicap: 9.8 RSG Roll Call: http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/wilsonc.htm Trentham Golf Club: http://publishing.kyneton.net.au/trentham

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I thought he played at Pebble Beach last year, only to lose in the semis?

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I’m sure people were saying the same things about Tiger before he won The Masters. How many strokes did he win by that year? Bryan

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone one know who Tiger woods got Aaron Badley from Australia into the the Masters. We all know the kid has a snowballs chance in hell and I’m not even sure if he’s a pro yet. Yeah he may have beaten some of the fellas in Australia but I believe he has not got the game to tackle Augusta with the likes of woods or monty. So Badley can you say "Missed cut" or how about "triple bogey". Oh yeah and by the way good luck, play well. Tigger in the woods

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Does anyone one know who Tiger woods got Aaron Badley from Australia into the the Masters. We all know the kid has a snowballs chance in hell

and I’m First reaction to this post was that WebTv must have had a special offer, but to my shock and embarrasment the post originates from one of our finest educational establishments. Have you not a patriotic bone in your body? . Before you begin to belittle your fellow countrymen, do some research first. Your apparently favourite golfer Tiger Woods did not make the cut at Augusta until his 3rd attempt. For Aaron Baddely to get a start at the masters is an acheivement in itself, and is a credit to his country. As long as he does not disgrace himself it will be a remarkable performance. Before you buy.

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But that was Tiger’s 3rd or 4th time playing at Augusta. This is Aaron’s first crack. I think that makes a difference as well.

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As an amateur, Baddeley would get the invite from the Masters committee, but even if that wasn’t forthcoming, he won the Australian Open in December, beating a host of overseas players, icluding Norman, Montgomerie, O’Meara, Faxon, Maggert etc. He also captained the World Amateur winning side, and was leading amateur. He made the semis of the US Amateur first go as well. So he’s got the credentials to play the game at a high level. And – if he doesn’t make the cut – he’ll join a long list of top players that exited after 2 rounds at Augusta in their first try – such as Nicklaus, Crenshaw, Kite etc. Dunlop

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I think there a few inaccuracies here. O’Meara, Faxon and Maggert etc. didn’t play the Australian Open, nor did any other current US Tour player. If there were any "notables" in the field they were Montgomerie, Norman, Appleby, Faldo, Campbell, Bjorn, Parry and Van de Velde. There was also the usual gaggle of Australian European Tour players (e.g. Senior, Lonard, Ogilvy), and every Australian USPGA tour player (eleven) except for Elkington. AFAIK, Baddeley has never played in the US Amateur. He has played in the US Junior Amateur, losing the final in 1998 (?) to Oh. And – if he doesn’t make the cut – he’ll join a long list of top players that exited after 2 rounds at Augusta in their first try – such as Nicklaus, Crenshaw, Kite etc.

In terms of performance in a first Masters, if Baddeley made the cut and finished better than T45, he’d better Tiger Woods. If he doesn’t and scores 156 or less in two rounds, he’d better Olazabal. Better than 161 and he will have bettered Mark O’Meara. So it’s not as though he needs to finish in the Top 10 or anything to have a bright future in golf. IMHO, any nay-sayers, and bandwagon jumpers, should back off and just give a nice kid a go. Cheers Colin Wilson Current Australian handicap: 9.6 RSG Roll Call: http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/wilsonc.htm Trentham Golf Club: http://publishing.kyneton.net.au/trentham

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Does anyone one know who Tiger woods got Aaron Badley from Australia into the the Masters. We all know the kid has a snowballs chance in hell and I’m not even sure if he’s a pro yet. Yeah he may have beaten some of the fellas in Australia but I believe he has not got the game to tackle Augusta with the likes of woods or monty. So Badley can you say "Missed cut" or how about "triple bogey". Oh yeah and by the way good luck, play well. Tigger in the woods

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quote: he may have beaten some fellas in Australia…blah blah blah.. well, those some fellas are by the name of Colin Montgomerie and Greg Norman, and for an amateur to beat THEM at his country’s own championship (?) is really something He got in thru a special invite from the MOTM.