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On 13-Nov-2002, Frostback Um…. Not sure how this one applies. It’s an
umbrella organization – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – of organizations. There is no rule prohibiting male members. There is no rule prohibiting female members at Augusta National. You can’t say that. Just because it is true. Of course, there’s no rule saying a woman can’t be president of the US, or Mayor of New York City either..but that’s not the point here for some reason. In any event, you can’t say that. That’s not the issue here. I can say that when I am responding to the above argument. Saying that organization XXXX is different than Augusta National
because it has "no rule prohibiting male members" is not a meaningful argument, so
I pointed that out. Howard, either you missed the tongue-in-cheek nature of Rob’s post, or I missed it in yours. Either way, one of us missed it! :) Dave
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K, lets see the first three have nothing to do with golf and so it would be inappropriate to post to this forum concerning them.
That was a cop out. And shows that you want to change the subject because you have no rebutal Regarding the Ladies Golf Club of Toronto, when they have a tournament that is open to the public and it is broadcast over the public airways then they too (IMO) should be required to end all exclusionary practices.
what? they still are a private club. what does a tourney or broadcast have to do with that? I speak without any knowledge
Yes you do…because…see below of Canadian law so they may
have a different legal position but morally I would feel as stated. U.S. law has nothing to say about the Augusta issue in the US either. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Bob Dye Still Hacking Away No Mulligans, Putting them all in First Round of Golf 1951 (remove spaces to email)
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[snip] Until the hypocrisy of the aforementioned is dealt with, there is no need for an organization that is in compliance with the law to do anything it doesn’t want to do.
Um, why does ANGC get a pass until the whole world is perfect? And as for there being a "need", Ms. Burk is attempting to create that "need" outside of the law in the court of public opinion. That is her right too. It remains to be seen whether she will be successful.
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Um…. Not sure how this one applies. It’s an umbrella organization of organizations. There is no rule prohibiting male members. There is no rule prohibiting female members at Augusta National. You can’t say that. Just because it is true. Of course, there’s no rule saying a woman can’t be president of the US, or Mayor of New York City either..but that’s not the point here for some reason. In any event, you can’t say that. That’s not the issue here.
I can say that when I am responding to the above argument. Saying that organization XXXX is different than Augusta National because it has "no rule prohibiting male members" is not a meaningful argument, so I pointed that out.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Um…. Not sure how this one applies. It’s an umbrella organization of organizations. There is no rule prohibiting male members. There is no rule prohibiting female members at Augusta National. You can’t say that. Just because it is true. Of course, there’s no rule saying a woman can’t be president of the US, or Mayor of New York City either..but that’s not the point here for some reason. In any event, you can’t say that. That’s not the issue here. I can say that when I am responding to the above argument. Saying that organization XXXX is different than Augusta National because it has "no rule prohibiting male members" is not a meaningful argument, so I pointed that out.
Where is the ANGC rule prohibiting women. members vote on the admission of nominated individuals. I have never heard of a rule that says a woman cannot be nominated. There is in fact no female member of AGNC, nor has there ever been. The president of the US is not a woman, nor has there ever been a female president, despite the fact that the majortiy of US voters are female. An all male organization has no female members. A free nation where most of the voters are female has never has a female president. These things *HAVE* to mean something different for your arguement to hold water, of course, but they don’t. In both cases its free people excercizing free choice. BTW, I don’t think anyone cares if radical feminists boycott The Masters. In fact, I think it is in fact preferred that they boycott The Masters, as they have done since it’s inception. Rob — Service is the rent we pay for being RSG Masters 2002 ( http://home.att.net/~janellenrob/RSG-MS_02.html ) RSG Masters 2003 ( http://home.att.net/~janellenrob/RSG-MS-03P.html )
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All-women’s health clubs Boy Scouts/Girl Guides NCWO Um…. Not sure how this one applies. It’s an umbrella organization of organizations. There is no rule prohibiting male members. There is no rule prohibiting female members at Augusta National.
You can’t say that. Just because it is true. Of course, there’s no rule saying a woman can’t be president of the US, or Mayor of New York City either..but that’s not the point here for some reason. In any event, you can’t say that. That’s not the issue here. Rob — Service is the rent we pay for being RSG Masters 2002 ( http://home.att.net/~janellenrob/RSG-MS_02.html ) RSG Masters 2003 ( http://home.att.net/~janellenrob/RSG-MS-03P.html )
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All-women’s health clubs Boy Scouts/Girl Guides NCWO Um…. Not sure how this one applies. It’s an umbrella organization of organizations. There is no rule prohibiting male members. There is no rule prohibiting female members at Augusta National.
Actually, none of us know. The membership policies are private and members aren’t allowed to publicly discuss them.
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Food for thought… All-women’s health clubs Boy Scouts/Girl Guides NCWO Ladies Golf Club of Toronto Since your target of your constant diatribes seems to be Augusta and only Augusta, lete me state in advance I appreciate your justification for the above organizations and their exclusionary practices in your response. Failing that, I appreciate your coming to the realization that the hypocrisy grows with your every word on the subject, and refraining from commenting further.
K, lets see the first three have nothing to do with golf and so it would be inappropriate to post to this forum concerning them. Regarding the Ladies Golf Club of Toronto, when they have a tournament that is open to the public and it is broadcast over the public airways then they too (IMO) should be required to end all exclusionary practices. I speak without any knowledge of Canadian law so they may have a different legal position but morally I would feel as stated. Bob Dye Still Hacking Away No Mulligans, Putting them all in First Round of Golf 1951 (remove spaces to email) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
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All-women’s health clubs Boy Scouts/Girl Guides NCWO Um…. Not sure how this one applies. It’s an umbrella organization of organizations. There is no rule prohibiting male members.
There is no rule prohibiting female members at Augusta National.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Food for thought… All-women’s health clubs Boy Scouts/Girl Guides NCWO Ladies Golf Club of Toronto Since your target of your constant diatribes seems to be Augusta and only Augusta, lete me state in advance I appreciate your justification for the above organizations and their exclusionary practices in your response. Failing that, I appreciate your coming to the realization that the hypocrisy grows with your every word on the subject, and refraining from commenting further. K, lets see the first three have nothing to do with golf and so it would be inappropriate to post to this forum concerning them. Regarding the Ladies Golf Club of Toronto, when they have a tournament that is open to the public and it is broadcast over the public airways then they too (IMO) should be required to end all exclusionary practices. I speak without any knowledge of Canadian law so they may have a different legal position but morally I would feel as stated.
Inappropriate to comment? Now it’s inappropriate to comment? How is there a difference between a women’s only health club and a men’s only golf club? Hell, the difference is legislators had to specifically exempt the gyms from the anti-discrimination laws because they couldn’t fall under private business category, so they weren’t exempt automatically. The situation is exactly the same with regards to LGCT, except that since it’s women, nothing’s wrong. Lorne Rubenstein even told me that he felt LGCT, Pine Valley or any of the other single sex clubs were germane to the situation. They are the same thing. The fact Augusta’s Invitational is popular and draws an audience does not impose "responsibilities" on to the hosts. Sure it would be nice to have all clubs be for everyone, but the real world is not like that. Plus, no one has yet to show that membership in a private club is something that is necessary, like education, employment, etc. Until the hypocrisy of the aforementioned is dealt with, there is no need for an organization that is in compliance with the law to do anything it doesn’t want to do.
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Food for thought… All-women’s health clubs Boy Scouts/Girl Guides NCWO
Um…. Not sure how this one applies. It’s an umbrella organization of organizations. There is no rule prohibiting male members. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ladies Golf Club of Toronto Since your target of your constant diatribes seems to be Augusta and only Augusta, lete me state in advance I appreciate your justification for the above organizations and their exclusionary practices in your response. Failing that, I appreciate your coming to the realization that the hypocrisy grows with your every word on the subject, and refraining from commenting further.
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Food for thought… All-women’s health clubs Boy Scouts/Girl Guides NCWO Ladies Golf Club of Toronto Since your target of your constant diatribes seems to be Augusta and only Augusta, lete me state in advance I appreciate your justification for the above organizations and their exclusionary practices in your response. Failing that, I appreciate your coming to the realization that the hypocrisy grows with your every word on the subject, and refraining from commenting further.