Here is information about the Sloan-Kettering online calculator. It is possible that it applies to other PSA doubling-time calculators.: Who Can Use This Tool? \ For Those Who Have Not Been Treated The tool is designed to be used by patients who have had a biopsy of the prostate confirming the presence of cancer. The biopsy must have had a Gleason grade assigned to it. The patient must also have had a PSA blood test performed, either prior to or not within 10 days following the biopsy, and not after the start of hormonal therapy if hormones have been started. The patient must also have been assigned a clinical stage using either the 1992 or 1997 clinical staging systems. The tool can also be used by patients who are considering hormone refractory therapy. The tool cannot be used for patients whose prostate cancer is believed to have spread to other parts of the body, such as bones or lymph nodes. \ For Patients Who Have Been or Are Receiving Treatment The tool can be used by patients who have received prostatectomy to treat the prostate cancer within the past 6 months. This tool is not for patients who have received hormonal therapy or radiation therapy either prior to or following surgery. This tool is also not for the patient who had surgery longer than 6 months ago.

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On Christmas Eve, Warren inquired: Is there some kind of formula that is used to determine one’s PSA doubling time? Well, a kinda scary response has been posted by MAJ. I don’t think it’s all that complicated, and requires little but basic arithmetic skill.

I’m afraid it is exactly as complicated—or simple, depending on your perspective—as MAJ described.   Anyone with a scientific calculator with a log key can use the formula he gave for two measurements.   For three or more measurements it is more complicated.   As he says, if the PSA is following the model, then you could use a least squares line for log P, but most lay people wouldn’t know what that means and wouldn’t have the tools to do it.   An alternative would be to use the formula with different pairs of values and estimate the doubling time for each such pair.  Then you could compare the values you got.  If they showed very different values, then that would indicate the model probably didn’t apply.  If they showed similar but different values,  that could give you some estimate of the approximate doubling time. It is important to remember in all this, as my urologist likes to say, it isn’t rocket science.   Gross differences in doubling times can mean something, but relatively small differences are probably meaningless. Your doctor should have software tools available to indicate a doubling time if he is going to use it in diagnosis.   But it would only be one tool and more likely than not, just a glance at the figures would give him enough information, together with the other data, to help draw a conclusion. Here’s the definition of PSADT from the website of the Prostate Cancer Research Institute: "PSA doubling time (PSADT): the calculation of the time it takes for the PSA value to double based on at least three values separated by at least three months each; before diagnosis, a PSADT of less than 10 years may be an indication of the presence of PC."

This is a definition, but it doesn’t tell you how to find the doubling time from values if the ratio of the values during the time interval is not a doubling. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – And from "What Every Doctor Who Treats Male Patients Should Know," a May 2005 paper by Strum and Pogliano that all of us should copy and give to our primary care physicians. "PSA velocity (PSAV) and PSA doubling time (PSADT) are important markers that can indicate the existence of prostate cancer. Blood sampling for PSA determinations, done at least three months apart, and by the same laboratory using the same testing procedure, are necessary to establish PSAV and PSADT. The validity of such determinations is increased if such testing involves at least three determinations over an 18-month span of time. However, a progressive and serial increase in PSA values should raise concern that prostate cancer is present and that a greater degree of vigilance is mandatory.

All, Im looking to get a travel bag – wondered if anyone of you had any suggestions/experiences you’d like to share.  I have a Lynx cart bag now – it seems too big to be placed in some sort of cover – I dunno. Anyone have any good news about a specific bag? Thanks! Chris

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All, Im looking to get a travel bag – wondered if anyone of you had any suggestions/experiences you’d like to share.  I have a Lynx cart bag now – it seems too big to be placed in some sort of cover – I dunno. Anyone have any good news about a specific bag? Thanks! Chris

Chris, there’s been some lengthy discussions about travel bags here in the last couple of months. Do a Google search for "travel-bag" and you’ll see what’s up… — Dave Jones RSG Roll Call http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=jonesd

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All, Im looking to get a travel bag – wondered if anyone of you had any suggestions/experiences you’d like to share.  I have a Lynx cart bag now – it seems too big to be placed in some sort of cover – I dunno. Anyone have any good news about a specific bag? Thanks! Chris

If you care about your clubs, get either a hard shell case (I use SKB) or a ClubGlove case. Make damn sure whatever you but has wheels. Kenny — Kenny Stultz – Troll and SPAM intolerant RSG Rollcall: http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=stultzk "Golf is the only sport where a precise knowledge of the Rules can earn one a reputation for poor sportsmanship"

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I have an SKB hardshell that I purchased about 4 years ago.  It has seen a lot of airline travel and has held up very well.  My particular model is made for large carry bags and smaller cart bags, although I do know they make larger ones.  At first it seams a little pricey, but the peace of mind is more than worth it.   One word of advice.  They do seem to take up a lot of room quickly so if you have little trunk space take that into cosideration.  Good luck. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -All, Im looking to get a travel bag – wondered if anyone of you had any suggestions/experiences you’d like to share.  I have a Lynx cart bag now – it seems too big to be placed in some sort of cover – I dunno. Anyone have any good news about a specific bag? Thanks! Chris

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what model do you have?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – All, Im looking to get a travel bag – wondered if anyone of you had any suggestions/experiences you’d like to share.  I have a Lynx cart bag now – it seems too big to be placed in some sort of cover – I dunno. Anyone have any good news about a specific bag? Thanks! Chris I’ve put thousands of miles on my Bag Boy, outstanding and costs about $120.  I even bought my wife one.  Handles 45" drivers, well balanced, easy to roll around two of them with attached bags on top.  Sturdy outside and inside buckles, heavy duty zippers and sewing with lots of padded protection and plenty of space for shoes and extras, even snorkel and fins when heading to Kapalua.

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SKG makes a great hard-sided, foam lined bag…like guitar cases… Frank

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – All, Im looking to get a travel bag – wondered if anyone of you had any suggestions/experiences you’d like to share.  I have a Lynx cart bag now – it seems too big to be placed in some sort of cover – I dunno. Anyone have any good news about a specific bag? Thanks! Chris

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Check the Space Saver at SweetSpotGolf.com. I have one and love it. Usual disclaimer. Peter – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -All, Im looking to get a travel bag – wondered if anyone of you had any suggestions/experiences you’d like to share.  I have a Lynx cart bag now – it seems too big to be placed in some sort of cover – I dunno. Anyone have any good news about a specific bag? Thanks! Chris

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Hi there all,      I’ve been lurking for a while (because of technical difficulties) and am pleased to finally be able to post.     I’ve booked a short flight to visit my family over Memorial Day, and I would like to bring my golf clubs.  I was curious what people consider adequate protection — all I have is a hood that snaps over the top of the bag.  Considering that I can’t afford one of those $150 hard covers, should I just forget about taking my clubs and rent?  Or have other people tried it successfully?

    I’ve traveled with just the rain cover such as you describe and been successful.  Lucky might be a better way to describe it.  You can get travel bags a whole lot cheaper than $150 and I’ve even run across hard ones for around $75.  At the very least you could probably go to one of these shipping stores (Mail Boxes Etc or the like) and they often can make you a cardboard box in about any shape ya want.  That would be a start. – Rob (rclocher3 at bigfoot dot com) (Still trying to figure out what FAIC means)

  For All I Care (IIRC).

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They made it safely.  One thing I noticed when returning to Atlanta was that all the golf travel bags (there were several) came off the baggage carosel last…. like maybe they gave them all special treatment and storage on the plane.

That’s because the baggage handlers are busy pilfering the bags and practicing hitting long irons down the runways. — Joe Cartpath – www.joecartpath.com Basic Golf Clubmaking & Memphis Area Golf Course Guide

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….I went to Hawaii (Kauai and Maui) recently for a golf vacation, and learned that Delta Airlines will not pay for any damages incurred to golf clubs unless the stuff is in a hard shell case.  So I went out and bought an SBK case (about $100 at Golfsmith) before leaving.  It’s a little harder to drag around, and takes up a little more space in the rent car, but the SBK case is a pretty damn sturdy piece of equipment.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a soft travel bag (with wheels) that was about $30 from Sports Authority.  So far I have only used it on four trips and it did a good job protecting the clubs.  My only complaint is that the wheelbase is rather narrow and it has a tendency to want to twist and tip sideways when wheeling it through airports. Hi there all,      I’ve been lurking for a while (because of technical difficulties) and am pleased to finally be able to post.     I’ve booked a short flight to visit my family over Memorial Day, and I would like to bring my golf clubs.  I was curious what people consider adequate protection — all I have is a hood that snaps over the top of the bag.  Considering that I can’t afford one of those $150 hard covers, should I just forget about taking my clubs and rent?  Or have other people tried it successfully? – Rob (rclocher3 at bigfoot dot com) (Still trying to figure out what FAIC means)

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No joke An AA bagage handler stole my 2 iron Brad – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – They made it safely.  One thing I noticed when returning to Atlanta was that all the golf travel bags (there were several) came off the baggage carosel last…. like maybe they gave them all special treatment and storage on the plane. That’s because the baggage handlers are busy pilfering the bags and practicing hitting long irons down the runways. — Joe Cartpath – www.joecartpath.com Basic Golf Clubmaking & Memphis Area Golf Course Guide

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I have a soft travel bag (with wheels) that was about $30 from Sports Authority.  So far I have only used it on four trips and it did a good job protecting the clubs.  My only complaint is that the wheelbase is rather narrow and it has a tendency to want to twist and tip sideways when wheeling it through airports.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi there all,      I’ve been lurking for a while (because of technical difficulties) and am pleased to finally be able to post.     I’ve booked a short flight to visit my family over Memorial Day, and I would like to bring my golf clubs.  I was curious what people consider adequate protection — all I have is a hood that snaps over the top of the bag.  Considering that I can’t afford one of those $150 hard covers, should I just forget about taking my clubs and rent?  Or have other people tried it successfully? – Rob (rclocher3 at bigfoot dot com) (Still trying to figure out what FAIC means)

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Hi there all,     I’ve been lurking for a while (because of technical difficulties) and am pleased to finally be able to post.    I’ve booked a short flight to visit my family over Memorial Day, and I would like to bring my golf clubs.  I was curious what people consider adequate protection — all I have is a hood that snaps over the top of the bag.  Considering that I can’t afford one of those $150 hard covers, should I just forget about taking my clubs and rent?  Or have other people tried it successfully?

I just came back from a trip to Phoenix (from Atlanta) where I brought my clubs.  I borrowed a soft golf travel bag from my friend, and my clubs survived fine.  I did put the rain hood on to keep the clubs from sliding out and possibly getting bent.  Also, I  put a combination lock through the zippers just to be safe. They made it safely.  One thing I noticed when returning to Atlanta was that all the golf travel bags (there were several) came off the baggage carosel last…. like maybe they gave them all special treatment and storage on the plane. I’ve seen the hard plastic ones… If I were to travel more by plane, I would probably invest in one of those. Another thing to consider about renting clubs… My work partner that travelled with me did NOT bring his clubs.  The course we played charged $50 to rent clubs… so rentals can cost as much as a travel bag! Robert Shaw

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Try some of your local golf shops – they usually will rent you a travel case for a weekend/week.  Usually fairly reasonable, dollar wise. David — RSG Roll Call http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/sneddond.htm

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi there all,      I’ve been lurking for a while (because of technical difficulties) and am pleased to finally be able to post.     I’ve booked a short flight to visit my family over Memorial Day, and I would like to bring my golf clubs.  I was curious what people consider adequate protection — all I have is a hood that snaps over the top of the bag.  Considering that I can’t afford one of those $150 hard covers, should I just forget about taking my clubs and rent?  Or have other people tried it successfully? – Rob (rclocher3 at bigfoot dot com) (Still trying to figure out what FAIC means)

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I bought my hard case on wheels from K-Mart for around $30. Kind of a pain to store it now being hard, but I’m glad I have one.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi there all,      I’ve been lurking for a while (because of technical difficulties) and am pleased to finally be able to post.     I’ve booked a short flight to visit my family over Memorial Day, and I would like to bring my golf clubs.  I was curious what people consider adequate protection — all I have is a hood that snaps over the top of the bag.  Considering that I can’t afford one of those $150 hard covers, should I just forget about taking my clubs and rent?  Or have other people tried it successfully? – Rob (rclocher3 at bigfoot dot com) (Still trying to figure out what FAIC means)

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Hi there all,      I’ve been lurking for a while (because of technical difficulties) and am pleased to finally be able to post.     I’ve booked a short flight to visit my family over Memorial Day, and I would like to bring my golf clubs.  I was curious what people consider adequate protection — all I have is a hood that snaps over the top of the bag.  Considering that I can’t afford one of those $150 hard covers, should I just forget about taking my clubs and rent?  Or have other people tried it successfully? – Rob (rclocher3 at bigfoot dot com) (Still trying to figure out what FAIC means)

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A .cc should be worth at least ten bucks.  I’ll give you twenty if you never come back here again. I am selling this domain name.  It’s perfect for someone or group for beginning their own internet sports related web business.  Sell golf and other sports equipment, golf travel packages, show tour stats, etc. You can bid on it at WWW.AFTERNIC.COM click sports then click equipment, it’s listed there. GOLF-MALL.CC DOMAIN NAME FOR SALE

– Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada RSG Roll Call:  http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/huntm.htm

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I am selling this domain name.  You may bid for it at www.afternic.com  Perfect for someone or group wanting to begin their own internet business.  Sell sports equipment, golf travel outings, show tour statistics, etc.

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I am selling this domain name.

Please don’t post this type of message to rec.sport.golf.  There is another site;  alt.golf.forsale  that is a much better forum. Thanks "Someone likes every shot" bk

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I am selling this domain name.  It’s perfect for someone or group for beginning their own internet sports related web business.  Sell golf and other sports equipment, golf travel packages, show tour stats, etc. You can bid on it at WWW.AFTERNIC.COM click sports then click equipment, it’s listed there. GOLF-MALL.CC DOMAIN NAME FOR SALE

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All in all, RSG is an excellent group.  I can’t think of many that are better or more consistently on-topic.  Cyberworld is quickly expanding and everyone will have to make adjustments.  Think about it — you hear old-time bearded Unix gurus talk about the good ol’ days of Usenet. When was that?  ’91? Maybe ‘86?  What’s it gonna be like in ‘08?   — Barry Smith

Hi all , Does anyone know of a travel agency in the San Fernando Valley or someplace on-line , that can help set up a golf package that includes flight from LAX , hotel , and 4 days of golf on the big island . I need this pkg for 40 golfers .We would leave May 10th or 11th and return on the 16th I appreciate any and all help , Happy golfing ,              Cork

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Hi all , Does anyone know of a travel agency in the San Fernando Valley or someplace on-line , that can help set up a golf package that includes flight from LAX , hotel , and 4 days of golf on the big island . I need this pkg for 40 golfers .We would leave May 10th or 11th and return on the 16th I appreciate any and all help , Happy golfing ,              Cork

Hi big island golfer, I am the owner of a travel agency that specializes in golf travel. I would love to help you and your group with your golf travel at 1-888-373-8833, 9 – 8 eastern standard time. Look forward to your call,

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Hi all , Does anyone know of a travel agency in the San Fernando Valley or someplace on-line , that can help set up a golf package that includes flight from LAX , hotel , and 4 days of golf on the big island . I need this pkg for 40 golfers .We would leave May 10th or 11th and return on the 16th I appreciate any and all help , Happy golfing ,              Cork

Hi Cork, Forgive me if you receive this message twice, this is my first crack at this. I’m the owner of a travel agency that specializes in golf travel. I would be glad to assist you and your group with your golf travel plans to the big island. You can call me toll free at 1-888-373-8833 9 – 8 eastern Travel

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Hello all We do apoligize for the intrusion, but this infomation may be of some use to some of the readers of this list. BCL Enterprises/Toronto Golf Travel Service is offering for sale a number of golf domain names that may be of interest to you.  Many of these names have been highly successful "intuitive" domains for us.  Names like scotlandgolf.com and pebblebeachgolf.com are high hit.  A number of others are currently listed quite high in major search engines using key word searches referring to the subject matter of the domain names. This is the list of names currently up for sale. scotlandgolf.com golfstandrews.com golfirish.com spaingolf.com espanagolf.com europegolf.com englandgolf.com golfkauai.com hualalai.com hualalaigolf.com lanaigolf.com maunakeagolf.com molokaigolf.com oahugolf.com michigangolf.com novascotiagolf.com peigolf.com quebecgolf.com banffgolf.com bcgolf.com pebblebeachgolf.com carmelgolf.com montereygolf.com bahamasgolf.com barbadosgolf.com jamaicagolf.com If you are interested, please drop us a line at http://www,torontogolf.com/domains.html for more information including pricing. If we have intruded on you, please accept our deepest apologies.

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I hope nobody pays you a dime for the names. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello all We do apoligize for the intrusion, but this infomation may be of some use to some of the readers of this list. BCL Enterprises/Toronto Golf Travel Service is offering for sale a number of golf domain names that may be of interest to you.  Many of these names have been highly successful "intuitive" domains for us.  Names like scotlandgolf.com and pebblebeachgolf.com are high hit.  A number of others are currently listed quite high in major search engines using key word searches referring to the subject matter of the domain names. This is the list of names currently up for sale. scotlandgolf.com golfstandrews.com golfirish.com spaingolf.com espanagolf.com europegolf.com englandgolf.com golfkauai.com hualalai.com hualalaigolf.com lanaigolf.com maunakeagolf.com molokaigolf.com oahugolf.com michigangolf.com novascotiagolf.com peigolf.com quebecgolf.com banffgolf.com bcgolf.com pebblebeachgolf.com carmelgolf.com montereygolf.com bahamasgolf.com barbadosgolf.com jamaicagolf.com If you are interested, please drop us a line at http://www,torontogolf.com/domains.html for more information including pricing. If we have intruded on you, please accept our deepest apologies.

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Anyone who would go and lock up all those domain names without any intention of ever using them, just so they could turn around and sell them, is nothing but an opportunistic slimeball. Take your spam, and your miserable life, elsewhere. Randy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello all We do apoligize for the intrusion, but this infomation may be of some use to some of the readers of this list. BCL Enterprises/Toronto Golf Travel Service is offering for sale a number of golf domain names that may be of interest to you.  Many of these names have been highly successful "intuitive" domains for us.  Names like scotlandgolf.com and pebblebeachgolf.com are high hit.  A number of others are currently listed quite high in major search engines using key word searches referring to the subject matter of the domain names. This is the list of names currently up for sale. scotlandgolf.com golfstandrews.com golfirish.com spaingolf.com espanagolf.com europegolf.com englandgolf.com golfkauai.com hualalai.com hualalaigolf.com lanaigolf.com maunakeagolf.com molokaigolf.com oahugolf.com michigangolf.com novascotiagolf.com peigolf.com quebecgolf.com banffgolf.com bcgolf.com pebblebeachgolf.com carmelgolf.com montereygolf.com bahamasgolf.com barbadosgolf.com jamaicagolf.com If you are interested, please drop us a line at http://www,torontogolf.com/domains.html for more information including pricing. If we have intruded on you, please accept our deepest apologies.

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Just a bit of information on the disposal of the golf domain names. It was our intention at BCL Enterprises/Toronto Golf Travel Service to develop these domains as part of our Business Plan. We have changed our business plan, and do not need them any longer. That is precisely why we are selling them off, so others can use them in their business. We are narrowing our fucus to a number of destinations that we also have the names for — torontogolf, golftoronto, ontariogolf, golfontario, portugalgolf, algarvegolf, caribbeangolf, dominicangolf and bermudagolf. We feel that selling the names now at whatever people are willing to pay for them (fair market value) is good business and is much more ethical than hoarding these valuable domains. And just so you know, we intend to give 10% of the profits from these domain names to the Heart and Stroke Foundation.

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: Just a bit of information on the disposal of the golf domain names. : It was our intention at BCL Enterprises/Toronto Golf Travel Service to : develop these domains as part of our Business Plan. : We have changed our business plan, and do not need them any longer. That : is precisely why we are selling them off, so : others can use them in their business. We are narrowing our fucus to a <SNIP Gee, that’s sweet.  Why don’t you just not pay for them next year, then anyone will be able to get them.  Then you can donate the money you didn’t have to spend to charity, or to that gaping hole between your legs. Larry

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Greetings: I have almost finished my plan to go play golf in Scotland and am considering the subject company to make my plans for St Andrews, and possibly others. Has anyone dealt with these folks? Are they reputable? They seem awfully expensive- are there better alternatives? Personal/cc replies encouraged as I don’t get to read r.s.g as much as I’d like. TIA, Ed Alcoff

Ed Check out http://www.uk-golf.com/tourops/ all the suppliers there are known to the site manager and may offer alternatives. Regards John Tuach UK-Golf/COsys Management Information Services To request updates on UK-Golf/Travel matters     with SUBSCRIBE NEWS in the body.

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Greetings: I have almost finished my plan to go play golf in Scotland and am considering the subject company to make my plans for St Andrews, and possibly others. Has anyone dealt with these folks? Are they reputable? They seem awfully expensive- are there better alternatives? Personal/cc replies encouraged as I don’t get to read r.s.g as much as I’d like. TIA, Ed Alcoff

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Hi, I am looking to join a golf club this year. I don’t want to blow my brains out on price, and ideally, it should be no longer than a 30-40 minute drive from downtown Toronto. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks in advance, Lawrie — Mr. Lawrie Mann   fONOROLA 416-956-4285 Website: http://www.fonorola.com Long Distance Voice and Data Solutions

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I am looking to join a golf club this year. I don’t want to blow my brains out on price, and ideally, it should be no longer than a 30-40 minute drive from downtown Toronto. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks in advance, Lawrie — Mr. Lawrie Mann   fONOROLA 416-956-4285 Website: http://www.fonorola.com Long Distance Voice and Data Solutions

Hi Lawrie I am a member at Scarboro and a member of the Captain’s Committee. Scarboro is an equity club with annuals much the same as most in the area.  The equity concept cuurently allows you to get back 85% of your equity share when you sell.  Financing is available through the club. It is a beautiful AW Tillinghast course built in 1914.  A fabulous clubhouse and not a great deal of play — you can walk up any time.  It is 30 minutes office to first tee from downtown. Membership Director is John Edwards 266-4546.  Set up a game with him and ask him to give me a call — I’d be happy to join you for a round. David Bourque Toronto Golf Travel Service http://www.torontogolf.com

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I’m looking for any job in Detroit (USA) I’m 36 , come from Bosnia , since  1992 in Hamburg (Germany). From May 1997 I’ll to live permanent in Detroit (MI). Work’s experience : 8 years sales manager (export-import),textile , sport equipment . 1996 assistant manager Golf Team Hamburg ;organize tournaments ,Pro-Shop , lesson’s etc.(Hcp. 4) , organize of golf travel. Practical experience in a repairing golf clubs. 1992-1993 worked in hotelkeeping (SAS Plaza Hamburg ) Practical training by COSCO Shipping Agency (container transport ). Languages : German , Slovenian , Bosnian . godrago

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.golf I’m looking for any job in Detroit (USA) I’m 36 , come from Bosnia , since  1992 in Hamburg (Germany). From May 1997 I’ll to live permanent in Detroit (MI). Work’s experience : 8 years sales manager (export-import),textile , sport equipment . 1996 assistant manager Golf Team Hamburg ;organize tournaments ,Pro-Shop , lesson’s etc.(Hcp. 4) , organize of golf travel. Practical experience in a repairing golf clubs. 1992-1993 worked in hotelkeeping (SAS Plaza Hamburg ) Practical training by COSCO Shipping Agency (container transport ). Languages : German , Slovenian , Bosnian . godrago NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com Organization: AOL Bertelsmann Online GmbH & Co. KG http://www.germany.aol.com

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