Hey Jayhawk. I just went to my first tournament last year. The Buick at Torrey Pines. Wow. I concentrated on watching the golfers swing. How they hit, what they did. What they didn’t do. I went to the course on Tuesday. Which was practice day. Lots of chances to talk to the pro’s, though, you have to feel them out. Some feel like talking, others are clearly getting ready for a tournament and have better things to do that talk to spectators. Generally, a quiet, nice shot after a shot will help you to feel out the situation. If in doubt, just follow, and look interested. Perhaps raise your hand slightly and see if they respond. And remember, their people just like you. I found it strange to watch their swings. effortless most of them. a 1/2 swing would fly 110 yards easy from a wedge. Amazing. So – it reaffirmed for me that it’s not how big the swing is, but how you channel the energy of that swing. Anyway – as you walk around on Tuesday, get a feel for where the action will be. A tight par 3? Or a dog leg at a par 4? The lake near the green on that 600 yard par 5? Anyway – you get the picture. Enjoy and leave the cameras and phone at home! Please! Kevin
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I’m going to San Antonio next week & am hoping it won’t be too hot and/or won’t rain!! I’ve been to many tournaments & find the best thing to do is find a prime spot behind a green & stay there! Be sure you are close to the cold beer & warm, soft pretzel vendors. SO good! You will eventually see everyone–their approach shots & putts. As the last group comes by, go to the 18th green. If you are looking for autographs, this is the place to get them. They are through & most are willing to give them & most are very nice. If you only want to see their drives, park on a tee but you only get to see that one shot. Beside a green you get to see more. Just enjoy!!!
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hey Jayhawk. I just went to my first tournament last year. The Buick at Torrey Pines. Wow. I concentrated on watching the golfers swing. How they hit, what they did. What they didn’t do. I went to the course on Tuesday. Which was practice day. Lots of chances to talk to the pro’s, though, you have to feel them out. Some feel like talking, others are clearly getting ready for a tournament and have better things to do that talk to spectators. Generally, a quiet, nice shot after a shot will help you to feel out the situation. If in doubt, just follow, and look interested. Perhaps raise your hand slightly and see if they respond. And remember, their people just like you. I found it strange to watch their swings. effortless most of them. a 1/2 swing would fly 110 yards easy from a wedge. Amazing. So – it reaffirmed for me that it’s not how big the swing is, but how you channel the energy of that swing. Anyway – as you walk around on Tuesday, get a feel for where the action will be. A tight par 3? Or a dog leg at a par 4? The lake near the green on that 600 yard par 5? Anyway – you get the picture. Enjoy and leave the cameras and phone at home! Please! Kevin going to my first tournament in tampa and need some advice on how to watch it. how do you watch a golf tournament?? Behind teebox,then move with players or pick spot and watch several groups?what do you like to see? drives, approach,putts?? thanx
thanks for the advice..hadnt thought about the camera or phone…
<snip Anyway – you get the picture. Enjoy and leave the cameras and phone at home! Please!
<snip #2 thanks for the advice..hadnt thought about the camera or phone…
At least at The International, you bring a camera or phone and are caught with either during the tournament, the marshals will take ‘em and you can pick ‘em up someplace later … may be after the tournament or the next morning … not sure. Bottom line, as Kevin said, leave ‘em home. Cameras are allowed, at The International, for the practice rounds. Bob
I usually like to find a spot near the tee shot landing area, preferably under a tree on those hot days. I’ll sit there for a while then move on to a par 3 and sit near the green. Possibly see an ace. Otherwise, find a shady spot near a green and watch the approach shots and putting. Tom
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going to my first tournament in tampa and need some advice on how to watch it. how do you watch a golf tournament?? Behind teebox,then move with players or pick spot and watch several groups?what do you like to see? drives, approach,putts??
Yes, yes, and yes. I can’t settle on a single method. I tend to follow a group for about 7 holes. Then camp at a single spot for a while which allows several greens and tees to be "monitored". Finally picking a short par 3 and camp for a bit at the green and watch them play the whole hole. The last 2 methods are good if ones interest is seeing alot of different swings up close and personal. Some folks advise spending some time at the driving range or the practice green.
I’ve tried just about everything, and found most of it enjoyable. If you want to see the course, not just players, I suggest getting there early, start at 1 Tee with a group, follow a few holes, stay put when you get somewhere you can see well, pick up another group for a few holes, and so on. When you get to 18, decide on a new strategy, or just sit still. You can see most if not all of the field, as well as get a look at how a course is set up. (Not sure how this works for Rounds 1 and 2, with groups off 1 and 10 mornings and afternoon.) If you want to see how the pro’s handle a round of golf, pick someone to follow around shot to shot, but be prepared to work at it. It’s much harder to keep up when you’re not the caddy. This approach is best with a less popular player. The crowds don’t get in the way and you can be close to a lot of shots, tee to green. Fun to see how a player holds it together after a bogey or three. (must be a lesson there) If you want to see everyone and don’t care to see every hole, "camp out" at a green, tee, or landing area (approach shots) and relax. Maybe find a spot where you can wander between a green and the next tee. If that next hole is a par three you can even see some of the action on that green. If you know the course (or someone who does), you can see a bit of everything without a lot of walking. The range and putting green are also good. A lot of golfers at once, and you get to see way more "shots" this way. They are usually more at ease here too, and you can see them as people, not just golfers. Most of all, just dress for the weather and be prepared for walking. It can be a long day. You’ll know what you like to see after a few hours. Just enjoy it! JH P.S. – If you’re single (or not) and want to meet someone, follow Fred Couples. He has the best looking crowds.
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going to my first tournament in tampa and need some advice on how to watch it. how do you watch a golf tournament?? Behind teebox,then move with players or pick spot and watch several groups?what do you like to see? drives, approach,putts?? thanx
I would suggest a pillow, and all the gin you can sneak in.
going to my first tournament in tampa and need some advice on how to watch it. how do you watch a golf tournament?? Behind teebox,then move with players or pick spot and watch several groups?what do you like to see? drives, approach,putts?? thanx
First, don’t expect to actually absorb the drama and interplay of the tournament. You need TV to do that. Second, don’t expect to be able to follow a popular player for an entire round and see every shot. Third, it’s a long day if you get there for the first tee time and stay until the last group holes out. Some advice: head to the range first, watch guys warming up. Then go to practice putting area. You’ll get tips here on how to improve your practice and warm up routine. Then, you can head out to the course. There’s usually a huge crowd around the first tee, so you won’t be able to see anything. I like to walk the course backwards, from 18 green to 1 tee. You can do this until you find a player you want to watch for a few holes, or an interesting spot to "camp out". Going back to front like this, over the course of a few hours, you can see the entire course and more of the field than if you went 1 to 18. Once you get all the way to 1 tee, head over to the free stands at 18 green and sit down and give your feet a rest. Here’s how you follow a top player (Tiger) to be able to see as much as possible. You may have to get up the course a few holes to find a relatively open tee box where you can get next to the ropes. Wait there for as long as it takes to watch him hit a tee shot. Then move up at least 2, maybe 3 holes to the next par 4 or 5, get about 290 off the tee and wait there until Tiger comes through to hit his second shot. This is a crap shoot because you have to hope he hits it close to where you are. Then, jump ahead a few more holes and try to find a spot at the green, preferably behind, or close to the flag, where you can watch his approach. Following this routine, you may actually see Tiger hit one or two drives, an approach and a couple of putts. Of course, if GLen Hnatiuk is your favourite player, you can probably watch his entire game, every shot. I’ve been to a few pro tournaments, and while it’s neat to see these guys (and women) hit balls, make shots and get a flavour of their abilities, you will have no idea who did what to get the lead or lose it, or how the actual tournament is progressing. — Doug Main "It’s never too late to have a happy childhood."
Regards, Scott Mc I noticed this weekend at John Elway’s celebrity golf tournament – the #1 amateur was Scot McNealy of Sun. Your abbreviated name is a successful one.
My understanding is that the Mr. Sun CEO is a scratch golfer (or somewhere damn near). Scott Mc
Looks like it’s time for him to look at my sing plane.
been a little flat lately? me
Looks like it’s time for him to look at my sing plane. been a little flat lately?
Not sure, I’m tone deaf. That’s why I need professional help. Scott Mc
It’s a small world afterall…..
Small? It’s infinitessimal! What are the odds that the person Lousbert was complaining about would be an RSG’er? And even more, that it would be Scott, a genuine nice person, who would reply with an apology? Lovely. Gotta love RSG, sometimes. This is one of those times. Peter
I started taking lesson in March. My first two lessons were with a pro at Santa Clara, who I think you may have also worked with. I don’t think I really clicked with his approach, and after a playing break after the birth of my daughter, I didn’t continue with him.
Terry Myers is the one who I worked with at Santa Clara. I sent him an email to set up a lesson. He helped me quite a bit a few months ago and I still don’t have the fat and thin problems I did before he helped me. Looks like it’s time for him to look at my sing plane. Scott Mc
I am a not-so-good (index 27) player who mostly plays the early-am back nine at my local (SF bay area) muni. Like most others who have posted in the recent "golfing with strangers" thread, I have found most people I get paired with to be really nice, but today there was a guy who really got under my skin. My question…would this bug you like it bugs me? [story snipped]
When I first read your story, I was thinking that I wouldn’t be offended (of course, tone of voice, body language, etc. is crucial and you can’t pick that up on Usenet). Reading the guy’s explanation further down in the thread kind of confirmed my thoughts on the matter. Sounds like he just wanted to chat. I guess I’m of a different school of thought than a lot of you re: advice. I know I suck, and I welcome advice from better players I get paired with.
Not sure what the big deal is about strangers giving tips. I play with many strangers all the time and sometimes, I do get tips from them. Some are good and most are worthless, but you can chose to listen or just play your game. I truly believe that its always a good thing to have a second pair of eyes look at your swing and pick out flaws that you or your teaching pro might have missed. Myself, I choose not to give tips to strangers, but boy, do they need them bad. 
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As we walked to the 18th tee, the guy asks me "so have you ever taken any lessons?" I say that I have taken a few, and then he asks me how long I have been playing. As I played the final hole, I got more and more upset by the increasing doubt in my abilities that this line of questioning introduced. Maybe he is considering the value of lessons for himself. At any rate, a skill we all need to cultivate is the ability to play Zen golf. Whatever he does or says – whatever our previous hole – these are not our game on this hole now. Easier said than done. But once you recognize that it’s effecting you, change your mindset, pretend that you hired him to try to bother you – so that you have practice zoning him out to play your game. Which could be useful when you play under other types of pressure. I’m not good at this, playing worse with people I want to play better
with.
I guess I’m of a different school of thought than a lot of you re: advice. I know I suck, and I welcome advice from better players I get paired with.
Yeah, I’m with you on that. The only thing that frustrates me along those lines is that I get conflicting advice all the time. -b
I’m sorry that I didn’t give a better answer at the time. I started taking lesson in March. My first two lessons were with a pro at Santa Clara
Hey… I’ve only been to CA once… Santa Clara was the place. Nice Area. To make this golf related… I have never played a true ocean course. So we found one that had one 9 basically on the coast. It was $110 for 18 about 8-10 years ago. We only got in 4 or 5 holes before we got rained out and got a refund. But I’ll never forget those fairways. It’s hard to describe them. The sod was very firm but the soil under that was spongy… kind of like walking on a gymnastics tumbling floor. Springy. They they rolled very well.
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am a not-so-good (index 27) player who mostly plays the early-am back nine at my local (SF bay area) muni. Like most others who have posted in the recent "golfing with strangers" thread, I have found most people I get paired with to be really nice, but today there was a guy who really got under my skin. My question…would this bug you like it bugs me? [story snipped] I take it his tone or demeanor was not complimentary because his asking alone doesn’t seem like it would be all that bad. I used to play almost all of my rounds as a walk-on single and I’ve only become annoyed ONCE out of those hundreds of times. This one guy went on-and-on about how he made his own set of clubs. He was a "regular" at the course, so about a dozen times as we played he pointed other groups and mentioned how he made a set of irons or woods for this guy or that guy. After almost every good shot, he’d say how nice a job he did on the clubs and on his bad shots, he’d say he wasn’t used to them yet since it was only his 2nd round with them. At first, all I did was keep nodding my head when he spoke, but by the time we made the turn, I just made sure I didn’t stand or walk near him. After the round, the other 2 guys in the group said they’d played with him before and were cursing their bad luck when they heard his name called to join them on the 1st tee because they knew they’d have to listen to him all day. Hehe.
Next time, just tell him you make clubs too and most of your customers are on the Nation-wide tour. Should shut him up for a while.
[Story about my insecurity deleted] Hello Lou, My apologies for the comments. Just trying to make small talk and I didn’t mean to imply anything about your game. I’ve had those same questions asked of me several times in the past and I never thought of it that way. In retrospect, it was probably the wrong time to ask those questions. Mea Culpa.
Hi Scott. No worries and thanks for the explanantion. Along the 9 holes, my skin got too thin and I let my insecurity get the best of me. I guess I came looking for RSG to tell me to lighten up a bit. At the time, I just couldn’t figure how anyone could be interested in the learning path that led to my cornucopia of bad play, and I felt like a good player might be telling me that I hadn’t learned enough to be out on the course. In retrospect, I wish I would have known who you were, as I have enjoyed reading your posts here. Actually, I thought you had a nice looking grip and set up. You looked pretty good over the ball. I could tell someone showed you some pretty sound fundamentals.
Thanks! I talked to the other two guys about lessons also. My game has been deteriorating all summer and I’m about ready to take a lesson myself and was looking for sources.
I’m sorry that I didn’t give a better answer at the time. I started taking lesson in March. My first two lessons were with a pro at Santa Clara, who I think you may have also worked with. I don’t think I really clicked with his approach, and after a playing break after the birth of my daughter, I didn’t continue with him. I then stumbled upon the drop-in clinic at Palo Alto Muni (I was thinking of trying Mark Madayag who Dan Driscoll recommends for high handicappers), and have been working with that assistant pro at the clinic for about four sessions. I would recommend this for beginning golfers in our area, but I think that your game is at a high enough level that you probably want a private lesson situation. The latest Golf Digest "best teacher list" for California lists several pros at Mariner’s Point. A friend at work recommend the school there also. Thanks for the feedback, though. I should be more sensitive about the things I say sometimes. I should have prefaced my commments with something more positive. Can I get a mulligan on this one? Thanks!
All is forgotten Anyway, I’d be glad to play with you anytime. I probably would have tried to make more small talk, but I’m in a bit of a funk about my swing right now.
When we play again, I’ll take myself less seriously. Lou
not unusual, seemly a normal type question(s), unless, he was being a smart-ass. maybe not the best way to satisfy his curiosity, but at least – he was to the point. If you were duffing every shot, you probably didn’t feel good – any how. ==== As we walked to the 18th tee, the guy asks me "so have you ever taken any lessons?" I say that I have taken a few, and then he asks me how long I have been playing. As I played the final hole, I got more and more upset by the increasing
doubt in my abilities that this line of questioning introduced.
Howdy guys, The arrival/departure screen system we’re using at work is about to go U/S and I’m thinking of replacing it with a simple to use system. Basically, at the moment we have an Amiga Commodore system hooked up to a TV out module thingy, and this feeds into the antenna system we have throughout our terminal, displaying on tv channel 4 or whatever it is. It’s a basic program SplitScreen.bas but since it’s an amiga disk, I cant actually access the files off the floppy disk. Bascially what I’m looking for is a simple program to display something like this on the one tv screen: Departures Flight To Sched Boarding Gate No AB12 Brisbane 1330 1315 2 AB34 Singapore 1330 1315 2 AB56 Mars 1650 1635 2 Arrivals Flight From Sched Arriving Gate BA123 Singapore 2350 2345 1 BA56 NoddyLand 1650 1 SS12 London 1735 1 Stuff like that, and when you have the cursor on a line, and press a function key, it changes the line status to "Departed" or "BOarding" or Cancelled" etc etc…. and another F key to erase that line. Any ideas? I’m not a programmer, so I cant really write anything up, and I’m not sure how to approach this problem. I think the program that we have was written for Australian Airlines, and was handed down to us aparently… Thanks
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Howdy guys, The arrival/departure screen system we’re using at work is about to go U/S and I’m thinking of replacing it with a simple to use system. Basically, at the moment we have an Amiga Commodore system hooked up to a TV out module thingy, and this feeds into the antenna system we have throughout our terminal, displaying on tv channel 4 or whatever it is. It’s a basic program SplitScreen.bas but since it’s an amiga disk, I cant actually access the files off the floppy disk. Bascially what I’m looking for is a simple program to display something like this on the one tv screen: Departures Flight To Sched Boarding Gate No AB12 Brisbane 1330 1315 2 AB34 Singapore 1330 1315 2 AB56 Mars 1650 1635 2 Arrivals Flight From Sched Arriving Gate BA123 Singapore 2350 2345 1 BA56 NoddyLand 1650 1 SS12 London 1735 1 Stuff like that, and when you have the cursor on a line, and press a function key, it changes the line status to "Departed" or "BOarding" or Cancelled" etc etc…. and another F key to erase that line. Any ideas? I’m not a programmer, so I cant really write anything up, and I’m not sure how to approach this problem. I think the program that we have was written for Australian Airlines, and was handed down to us aparently… Thanks
| Howdy guys, | | The arrival/departure screen system we’re using at work is about to go | U/S and I’m thinking of replacing it with a simple to use system. | | Basically, at the moment we have an Amiga Commodore system hooked up | to a TV out module thingy, and this feeds into the antenna system we | have throughout our terminal, displaying on tv channel 4 or whatever | it is. It’s a basic program SplitScreen.bas but since it’s an amiga | disk, I cant actually access the files off the floppy disk. | | Bascially what I’m looking for is a simple program to display | something like this on the one tv screen: | | Departures | Flight To Sched Boarding Gate No | AB12 Brisbane 1330 1315 2 | AB34 Singapore 1330 1315 2 | AB56 Mars 1650 1635 2 | | Arrivals | Flight From Sched Arriving Gate | BA123 Singapore 2350 2345 1 | BA56 NoddyLand 1650 1 | SS12 London 1735 1 | | Stuff like that, and when you have the cursor on a line, and press a | function key, it changes the line status to "Departed" or "BOarding" | or Cancelled" etc etc…. and another F key to erase that line. | | | Any ideas? I’m not a programmer, so I cant really write anything up, | and I’m not sure how to approach this problem. | | I think the program that we have was written for Australian Airlines, | and was handed down to us aparently… | | Thanks | AISI You have a few options ….. 1:) take your Amiga disk and find someone to read it and port the program over to DOS. Get an old 486 DOS box and run the program. Problems…… cost in exporting the program over to DOS ($5-6K by the time it’s all said and done) and copyright issues from the original copyright holder, wherever they are now. 2:) have a new one written in Visual Basic. This is probably the most sensible option (that I can see) there would be a shitload of programming students that would be able to write something this simple for you. Is there a local TAFE that teaches programming – if there’s no local IT contractors ? 3:) Write something in Excel that would do the same thing. An Excel guru would take 2-3 hoours to come up with a working model. Staying on the TV backbone is still a good idea, so you’re only up for a new box and a bit of software. Cheers Dave Kearton
Howdy guys, The arrival/departure screen system we’re using at work is about to go U/S and I’m thinking of replacing it with a simple to use system.
LOL! Don’t I recall that about a year ago it was possible to "see" the [Perth] domestic *and* international arrivals and departures on the internet. Then there was an upgrade. And now all that can be seen is the international. Some upgrade! (On your question…. since every half baked airport in the world needs a system like you describe surely there’s a commercial market for them with slimy salespersons oozing around trying to flog them to you?) — Nothing is Beatle Proof!!
: Howdy guys, : : The arrival/departure screen system we’re using at work is about to go : U/S and I’m thinking of replacing it with a simple to use system. : : Basically, at the moment we have an Amiga Commodore system hooked up : to a TV out module thingy, and this feeds into the antenna system we : have throughout our terminal, displaying on tv channel 4 or whatever : it is. It’s a basic program SplitScreen.bas but since it’s an amiga : disk, I cant actually access the files off the floppy disk. You could always find somebody with an amiga to grab them off for you? — "Transported to a surreal landscape, a young girl murders the first woman she encounters, then teams up with three strangers to kill again". Plot summary of "The Wizard of Oz"
The arrival/departure screen system we’re using at work is about to go U/S and I’m thinking of replacing it with a simple to use system.
If you had a working address, I could tell you who designed the system, I think. and his phone number… — Paul Repacholi 1 Crescent Rd., +61 (08) 9257-1001 Kalamunda. West Australia 6076 comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it’s all half baked. EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.
Howdy guys, The arrival/departure screen system we’re using at work is about to go U/S and I’m thinking of replacing it with a simple to use system. Basically, at the moment we have an Amiga Commodore system hooked up to a TV out module thingy, and this feeds into the antenna system we have throughout our terminal, displaying on tv channel 4 or whatever it is. It’s a basic program SplitScreen.bas but since it’s an amiga disk, I cant actually access the files off the floppy disk.
I can give you another Commodore…. That might save an awful lot of bother. … cheers, Paul Saccani, Perth, Western Australia old turkish proverb: ‘He who tells the truth gets chased out of nine villages’
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Howdy guys, The arrival/departure screen system we’re using at work is about to go U/S and I’m thinking of replacing it with a simple to use system. Basically, at the moment we have an Amiga Commodore system hooked up to a TV out module thingy, and this feeds into the antenna system we have throughout our terminal, displaying on tv channel 4 or whatever it is. It’s a basic program SplitScreen.bas but since it’s an amiga disk, I cant actually access the files off the floppy disk. Bascially what I’m looking for is a simple program to display something like this on the one tv screen: Departures Flight To Sched Boarding Gate No AB12 Brisbane 1330 1315 2 AB34 Singapore 1330 1315 2 AB56 Mars 1650 1635 2 Arrivals Flight From Sched Arriving Gate BA123 Singapore 2350 2345 1 BA56 NoddyLand 1650 1 SS12 London 1735 1 Stuff like that, and when you have the cursor on a line, and press a function key, it changes the line status to "Departed" or "BOarding" or Cancelled" etc etc…. and another F key to erase that line. Any ideas? I’m not a programmer, so I cant really write anything up, and I’m not sure how to approach this problem. I think the program that we have was written for Australian Airlines, and was handed down to us aparently… Thanks
LOL! Don’t I recall that about a year ago it was possible to "see" the [Perth] domestic *and* international arrivals and departures on the internet. Then there was an upgrade. And now all that can be seen is the international. Some upgrade!
I don’t recall the Perth Airport web site *ever* showing "live" domestic flight info. It’s now in its 3rd iteration and other than background colour very little has changed. International info "live", often including interesting non-sched stuff like heavylifts to Diego Garcia. Weekly & seasonal international schedules in PDF format. Domestic info – absolutely nothing – shunts you off to QF, DJ, etc, sites. (At least QF has arrivals & departures for all their ports online) And the latest WAC news – like who won the social golf tournament and suchlike rivetting stuff. Poor effort all round considering the examples of other far more busier airports around the world that actual provide the traveller, industry and the enthusiast up to date meaningful info. Aubrey
Howdy guys, The arrival/departure screen system we’re using at work is about to go U/S and I’m thinking of replacing it with a simple to use system. Basically, at the moment we have an Amiga Commodore system hooked up to a TV out module thingy, and this feeds into the antenna system we have throughout our terminal, displaying on tv channel 4 or whatever it is. It’s a basic program SplitScreen.bas but since it’s an amiga disk, I cant actually access the files off the floppy disk.
Copy the desired files to RAM:, then "mount pc0:" (sans quotes), insert a 720k pc formatted floppy, copy desired files from RAM: to PC0: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Bascially what I’m looking for is a simple program to display something like this on the one tv screen: Departures Flight To Sched Boarding Gate No AB12 Brisbane 1330 1315 2 AB34 Singapore 1330 1315 2 AB56 Mars 1650 1635 2 Arrivals Flight From Sched Arriving Gate BA123 Singapore 2350 2345 1 BA56 NoddyLand 1650 1 SS12 London 1735 1 Stuff like that, and when you have the cursor on a line, and press a function key, it changes the line status to "Departed" or "BOarding" or Cancelled" etc etc…. and another F key to erase that line.
Basically, it sounds like what you really want instead of using an AmigaBasic or Blitz Basic application is to use a real titler like Scala Multimedia.
A creature known as Leo Hamulczyk was heard to screech: Bascially what I’m looking for is a simple program to display something like this on the one tv screen: Hello again guys. Have come across an idea of using a video card with a tv output, and setting a simple spreadsheet, which is formatted to look like on a tv screen Thanks again for all the help guys.
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A creature known as Leo Hamulczyk was heard to screech: Bascially what I’m looking for is a simple program to display something like this on the one tv screen:
Hello again guys. Have come across an idea of using a video card with a tv output, and setting a simple spreadsheet, which is formatted to look like on a tv screen Thanks again for all the help guys. — I’m not crazy, I just do what the Rice Crispies tell me to do PGP Key: www.ii.net/~numloxx/pgpkey.asc
The arrival/departure screen system we’re using at work is about to go U/S and I’m thinking of replacing it with a simple to use system.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Howdy guys, The arrival/departure screen system we’re using at work is about to go U/S and I’m thinking of replacing it with a simple to use system. Basically, at the moment we have an Amiga Commodore system hooked up to a TV out module thingy, and this feeds into the antenna system we have throughout our terminal, displaying on tv channel 4 or whatever it is. It’s a basic program SplitScreen.bas but since it’s an amiga disk, I cant actually access the files off the floppy disk. Copy the desired files to RAM:, then "mount pc0:" (sans quotes), insert a 720k pc formatted floppy, copy desired files from RAM: to PC0:
That’s assuming you have the device and handler files for pc0:. I have it, but I wouldn’t expect every Amiga owner to have it, erspecially corporate types who don’t fiddle with their systems like private people do. I’m sure there are still people out there who have an Amiga sitting in a shed that they can fire up. I do. (By the way, the Amiga still rules!) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Bascially what I’m looking for is a simple program to display something like this on the one tv screen: Departures Flight To Sched Boarding Gate No AB12 Brisbane 1330 1315 2 AB34 Singapore 1330 1315 2 AB56 Mars 1650 1635 2 Arrivals Flight From Sched Arriving Gate BA123 Singapore 2350 2345 1 BA56 NoddyLand 1650 1 SS12 London 1735 1 Stuff like that, and when you have the cursor on a line, and press a function key, it changes the line status to "Departed" or "BOarding" or Cancelled" etc etc…. and another F key to erase that line. Basically, it sounds like what you really want instead of using an AmigaBasic or Blitz Basic application is to use a real titler like Scala Multimedia.
Blackout Estimated to Cost Up to $6B By ANNE Dapos;INNOCENZIO AP Business Writer published 08:30 PM – AUGUST 19, 2003 Eastern Time The big blackout cost an estimated $4 billion to $6 billion, no more than a ripple in the economy and mostly temporary at that, economists say. As disasters go, it won’t make the Top 10 and probably not even the Top 20 in terms of insured property losses, according to Insurance Services Office Inc., a Jersey City, N.J.-based advisory company. The company defines a catastrophe as a single incident or series of related incidents _ man-made or natural _ that cause insured property losses totaling at least $25 million and affect a significant number of policyholders and insurers. The blackout is expected to reach at least that $25 million level but fall far short of the $2.2 billion price tag for the April 2001 tornadoes in the Midwest and South and the March 1993 winter storm in the Northeast, which tied for No. 9. The costliest disaster on the list was the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks at $20.7 billion, followed by Hurricane Andrew in 1992 at $19.9 billion and the 1994 Los Angeles earthquake at $15.2 billion. "It is a minor nuisance, as opposed to a major disaster," said David Wyss, chief economist at Standard & Poors. He added that the closures were too short to have a significant effect on overall manufacturing and the retailing industry. Mark Zandi, chief economist at Economy.com, said most of the losses would be recouped in the next few days and weeks, and Michael P.Niemira, vice president of Bank of Tokyo-Mitsubishi Inc., estimated that merchants made up two-thirds of their $30 million lost business on Saturday. There were even some winners. Liquidation.com _ an online liquidator that sells excess goods from retailers _ experienced a surge in goods brought online this past weekend. Home Depot Inc., the nation’s largest home improvement chain, and its second-ranked rival, Lowe’s Cos. Inc., both did big business in generators. But plenty of others suffered. "The biggest losers are the ones that have been losing for the past three years … the cities, airlines and small retailers," Zandi said. The state and local governments, particularly in New York, took the biggest hit. New York City comptroller’s office estimated that losses topped $1 billion, including $800 million in lost gross city product _ half of that in the first 24 hours. The figure also includes $250 million in frozen and perishable food that had to be dumped, spokesman Michael Egbert said. The blackout cost the city’s 22,000 eateries alone between $75 million to $100 million in wasted food and lost business, the New York State Restaurant Association calculated. Broadway lost $1 million worth of tickets for shows canceled after the lights went out Thursday, and Jed Bernstein, president of League of American Theatres and Producers, estimated that theaters will only recoup about half those sales. "Broadway shows are thinly capitalized compared to other industries," Bernstein said. "Any unforeseen loss is potentially damaging to shows." In addition to the comptroller’s figure, Mayor Michael Bloomberg added an estimated $40 million in lost tax revenue and $10 million in overtime pay for city workers, including extra police officers on patrol Thursday night and sanitation crews that worked through the weekend to pick up spoiled food. S&P’s Wyss estimated that New York State, excluding the city, lost another $1 billion and the other affected areas outside New York another $3 billion. Wyss figured that the areas affected by the blackout, including New Jersey and Connecticut and the upper Midwest, account for about $3 trillion of the nation’s $10 trillion economy. Michigan state officials remained uncertain of the extent of the effect there, but economists estimated that it will be in the hundreds of millions of dollars. In hard-hit Cleveland, officials hoped to release cost estimates by Wednesday morning. The airline industry, which lost full days of travel, was in the midst of assessing the damage. Officials declined to comment on costs, but Ray Neidl, who follows airlines for Blaylock & Partners, estimated the loss at $10 million to $20 million, "similar to what a very bad snowstorm would be." Some airlines were affected more than others. At Northwest Airlines, 405 flights were canceled Thursday, Friday and Saturday, according to company spokesman Kurt Ebenhoch. American Airlines was forced to cancel 483 flights. But Southwest had to cancel only 47 flights and spokesman Ed Stewart said the "impact was negligible." Automakers said it still was too soon to estimate blackout related costs but expressed confidence that they will make up most of the lost production. General Motors Corp., DaimlerChrysler AG’s Chrysler Group and Ford Motor Co. restarted all their affected U.S. factories Monday. The automakers also reopened some of their plants in Ontario, but production at those locations was limited because the province’s power system remained several days away from returning to full strength. Likewise, U.S. Steel Corp. officials don’t know yet how much damage _ or costs _ resulted from the blackout. U.S. Steel started up the blast furnaces at its Great Lakes Works in suburban Detroit on Monday, but Fred Harnack, the mill’s general manager, said the entire operation might not be back to normal until the end of the week. The blackout may have come at the worst time for restaurants, for whom tourist season makes August the most important month on the sales calendar. Grocery stores also faced the challenge of getting rid of spoiled food and replenishing fresh goods. Still, the Food Marketing Institute, a trade association that represents food retailers, described the economic impact as "minimal" because many stores had backup generators, though it was still trying to assess the damage.
Aug 15, 10:58 AM EDT LATEST NEWS Other Nations Say Blackouts Are Common Michigan Gov. Declares State of Emergency Electricity Slowly Returns in Canada Blackout Causes Few Banking Disruptions Power Outage May Have Started in Ohio Businesses Reopen, but Wary of Glitches New Power Problems Arise in Northeast By LARRY MARGASAK Associated Press Writer Bloomberg says the blackout shows that in the modern world we seldom stand alone. (Audio) A massive power blackout retreated stubbornly Friday as power officials struggled to understand why the historic outage spread in minutes through the northeastern United States and southern Canada. Lights flicked on and air conditioners restarted for some, but new problems arose as the power system struggled back to life. There were growing indications the original problem began in Ohio, rather than New York or Canada, as some had thought. In Connecticut, Gov. John G. Rowland issued an emergency plea for residents to save power Friday morning after a state transmission line fizzled. "There presently is insufficient capacity to remain a reliable power supply," John Wiltse, a spokesman for the governor, said after a transmission line that feeds southwestern Connecticut went down around 5:45 a.m. Cleveland weathered its worst water crisis in history as the blackout shut all four major pumping stations. The pumps which serve more than 1 million residents in the city and 20 suburbs began operating Friday morning, but the National Guard tanked in 7,600 gallons of drinking water to help until taps flowed again. The Detroit water department, which serves much of southeast Michigan, was pumping about half its usual volume as officials worked to restart pumps. Low pressure led officials to warn residents to conserve water and boil any for drinking or cooking. In New York’s Hudson Valley, Central Hudson Gas & Electric Corp. began rolling blackouts throughout its service area because too few plants had some back online to handle full, normal loads. The intermittent interruptions were expected to last all afternoon Friday. In New York City, power was restored Friday morning to parts of all five boroughs and some suburbs, but millions endured a morning rush hour without subway service or many traffic lights. There was no timetable for full restoration of power, but officials said subways would not resume in time for evening rush hour. "Today will also present challenges," New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg told reporters. He asked essential city workers to come in but told nonessential counterparts to stay home and urged citizens to use judgment about working Friday. "There are worse things than taking a summer Friday off from work," he said. Bloomberg said a trying, hot night had cost the life of a 40-year-old who suffered a heart attack during one of New York City’s 60 serious fires, most caused by candles used to stave off darkness. There were 800 elevator rescues; 80,000 calls to 911 and a record 5,000 emergency medical service calls. Emergency personnel "worked incredibly hard to get us through the night safely," Bloomberg said. In Michigan, some customers may have to endure a weekend without electricity. Everywhere officials urged residents, businesses and travelers to cope with the inconvenience. "This is truly one of the instances where we’re all in this together," Gov. Jennifer Granholm of Michigan said during a statewide address Thursday night. "So be calm, be supportive of your neighbor." State workers in Michigan’s capitol, Lansing, were told to report to work Friday but in harder-hit Detroit to the east, they were ordered to stay home. While terrorism was swiftly ruled out by President Bush and other officials, there was scant indication of what had caused the outage, which began on the cusp of Thursday’s afternoon rush hour in Eastern cities. There are indications it probably "started somewhere in the Midwest, perhaps Ohio," Michehl Gent, president of the North American Electric Reliability Council, said Friday on ABC-TV’s "Good Morning America." Gent, whose nonprofit council was formed after the 1965 Northeast blackout to promote the reliability of the bulk electric systems, did not say what those indications were but expressed confidence that terrorism was not involved. New York Independent System Operator president William Museler said huge power fluctuations originating from a Midwest power plant started the downfall of the grid. He said the power swings became so large that the Ontario, Canada, system could not sustain them, and the problem migrated to New York. The New York Independent System Operator, which runs the state’s wholesale electricity market and monitors power usage, said it had detected a sudden loss of power generation at 4:11 p.m. More generally, industry and government experts blamed a system composed of interconnected grids that has not been upgraded to meet power demands. The disruptions were as diverse as they were widespread. A small explosion at the Marathon Oil refinery 10 miles south of Detroit was blamed on the outage which cut power to a pump, allowing a buildup of gasses that ultimately exploded in a smokestack. No one was hurt but police fearing additional explosions or possible release of toxic gas evacuated hundreds of residents from a one-mile radius around the refinery. In New York City, thousands of stranded commuters were forced to sleep in bus and train terminals and even in the streets. Hundreds of out-of-towners at the Marriott Marquis slept on sidewalks because the hotel did not have a generator to power its electronic room keys. In Sudbury, Ontario, 210 miles north of Toronto, more than 100 miners at a nickel mine were stranded in underground lunchrooms because the outage halted elevators to bring them to the surface, but authorities said they were not in immediate danger because they had water and backup power was running the ventilation system. In Cleveland, the loss of power wasn’t the only problem. About 1.5 million residents faced a crisis because there was no electricity to pump water from Lake Erie. At least three Eastern suburbs were out of water and officials said Western suburbs could go dry. With sewage treatment plants blacked out, untreated waste releases forced the closing of beaches in New York City and Cleveland. About 540,000 customers in Ohio were without power, mostly in the Cleveland area. In New Jersey, where more than 1 million homes and businesses lost power at the peak of the outage, all but 50,000 had been restored by 5:30 a.m. Friday and full service was expected a few hours later. Northern New Jersey commuter railroads and buses announced limited to full service Friday. In Connecticut, where nearly 310,000 customers served by two power companies lost power, all but about 53,000 had service restored by early Friday. But in New York, where early estimates had 80 percent of the state without power, the percentage only dropped to some 60 percent near midnight. Despite the outages in Manhattan, New York’s financial markets had no intention of shutting down. The New York Stock Exchange and Nasdaq resumed stock trading on schedule Friday morning, but the American exchange delayed trading because problems at a Consolidated Edison substation prevented air conditioning from reaching the trading floor. However, businesses from Manhattan through the Midwest were anxious about technical glitches and more power outages a day after the biggest blackout in U.S. history. In San Diego, the president said, "slowly but surely we’re coping with this massive, national problem," and added that he would order a review of "why the cascade was so significant." Bush said he suspected that the nation’s electrical grid would need to be modernized. New York Gov. George Pataki praised his constituents for pulling together to help each other. While New Yorkers poured out of immobile subway cars, emerged from stuck elevators, began long walks home or rested in local establishments, one unidentified man saw beauty. "You can actually see the stars in New York City," he said. Anne Block, a law student in Lansing, Mich., said she used what little light was coming through a window to finish an exam at Thomas M. Cooley Law School. "We were taking an exam and boom, the lights went out. But I was determined to finish. I kept writing. I wanted an ‘A.’ There was no way I was going to stop writing my exam," she said. Electric industry and government officials said the nation’s power grid has needed major upgrades for years, but industry experts said there were three major obstacles in the way: the expense, environmental opposition and people who didn’t want power facilities near their back yards. Law enforcement agencies were ready for any security problem. In New York, police helicopters, boats and heavily armed teams of special counterterror officers moved into place at city landmarks and other sensitive locations, police Commissioner Ray Kelly said. Officials swiftly realized the power outage was not an act of terror, and they used so-called Atlas teams of officers to make sure no one took advantage of the blackout to commit terrorism, he said
C.J.: Magers saying goodbye to Twin Cities, hello to Hollywood C.J., Star Tribune Published August 18, 2003 NBC’s KARE 11’s anchor god is gone. At a gathering at the Minikahda Club Saturday night, a friend of Paul Magers’ announced that he is leaving here for the CBS station — KCBS — in Los Angeles. When I called Magers this morning, he said, "I can neither confirm nor deny it." But that was before word of his departure was posted on KARE11.com. Paul and Kathy Magers reportedly seemed surprised that a friend identified to me as Doug Heltne disclosed this information. There was a "member-member golf tournament at Minikahda over the weekend, and on Saturday night at the party an announcement was made by the co-chair Doug Heltne, who was Paul’s [golf] partner, that Paul has accepted a job in CBS and he and Kathy are moving to Los Angeles," said someone who was at the event. "I don’t know when the public announcement is being made, but it was made pretty public on Saturday night." Magers and his agent Mendes Napoli want, but were reportedly having trouble getting, a firm offer from KARE, and the offer from California was thought to be a negotiating ploy by some. For months I’ve been writing about the gossip that Magers was going to California. This is a big hairy deal because Magers is the gorgeous 800-pound gorilla in the Twin Cities TV market. He has ruled the ratings for more than 10 years. His stature was rewarded when he re-signed, most recently for 10 years, believed to be at $1 million annually. The deal expires this year. A couple of months ago he was observed beaming while looking at something related to the L.A. TV market. When I asked him about gossip that he seemed rather happy and carefree while reviewing the L.A. TV video, he denied it, saying he was always relaxed and happy. The source on this later corrected me saying it was not a videotape Magers was viewing. Magers has been playing word games with me for about a year now. In September I asked him about buzz that he would not re-sign and would go to the West Coast — San Francisco perhaps? Magers denied it playfully, saying, "Here I be." His wife, Kathy, is rumored to have grown tired of wintering here, and one can just imagine how tight Gannett is being about giving Magers a raise. Magers came to the Twin Cities in September 1983 and was paired with Diana Pierce. They are currently being featured in cute, touching commercials about their longtime partnership. This may end KARE 11’s lock on the ratings. Good thing there are only two floors at the station’s Golden Valley location. Excitable news director Tom Lindner can’t hurt himself much should he jump from there.
C.J.: Fox 9 opts out of airing Faulkner Published August 17, 2003 FOX 9 dumped Tuesday’s "Montel" show featuring KSTP-TV anchor Harris Faulkner telling a national TV audience about being stalked when she lived in Kansas City. "We are obviously respectful of the problem of news people being stalked," FOX 9 General Manager Carol Rueppel told me Friday. "So we weighed airing an entertainment program prominently featuring an anchor from a different station. We chose to air a different show." Well, there you have it, Harris, the answer to your question: "Are they going to have the guts to [ever] air it?" Rueppel denies that this move has anything to do with the chest-thumping that FOX has been doing about ratings gains it is making on KSTP. Faulkner was poised to watch her "Montel" appearance only to find a show on "how to survive dating, and I don’t need that anymore." Informed that her face won’t be seen on FOX 9, Faulkner said Friday: "It’s their prerogative; it’s their air. After all that talk about their success, what’s their concern? It seems like a very gutless approach to programming. That’s just my humble opinion."
UPDATE 2-Calif. upgrades power grid emergency – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> by THC > 01 August 2000 11:28 UTC > ———————————————————————- > ———- > Do power shortages occur in the New Era? > ************** > UPDATE 2-Calif. upgrades power grid emergency > Updated 5:51 PM ET July 31, 2000 > By Leonard Anderson > SAN FRANCISCO, (Reuters) – With sizzling temperatures and soaring > demand for electricity to run air conditioners straining the > California power grid, the state’s Independent System Operator (ISO) > declared a Stage Two emergency Monday afternoon in a bid to conserve > already tight supplies. > The ISO, which operates most of the California transmission system, > said it asked the state’s major utilities to interrupt the flow of > power to large industrial customers. These customers pay discounted > electric rates on the understanding they may be turned off during > emergencies. > The Stage Two emergency, which is ordered when power reserves fall > below five percent, followed a Stage One declared earlier Monday from > 12:00 noon to 8:00 p.m. PDT. A Stage One asks utility customers to > voluntarily reduce their use of electricity. > The Stage Two was to go into effect at 3:00 p.m. and last to 8:00 p.m. > PDT. > It was the sixth time since May 1 that the grid operator has been > forced to declare a Stage Two emergency in California. > The ISO said it urged interruptible customers to wait to shed their > electrical load until told to do so by their local utility. > "Electricity imports from neighboring states are scarce because the > power is needed to serve customers within their own regions," the ISO > said in a statement. > Peak demand on the ISO system Monday was expected to exceed 45,629 > megawatts (MW), close to the record demand on the grid of 45,884 MW on > July 12, 1999. > Earlier, the ISO issued another "Power Watch" for Monday as much of > the west baked under a third day of heat. > The ISO said Friday that it expected to import about 4,400 MW of > electricity from the Pacific Northwest to meet high demand in > California. The ISO, however, also said Friday that it did not expect > imports from the Southwest to be available Monday. > High temperatures in the west were expected to persist through > mid-week, then begin falling. > In the central valley of California, Fresno was seen reaching a high > of 106 degrees F Monday and 110 Tuesday, while Sacramento was seen > peaking at 104 Monday and 109 Tuesday, Weather Services Corp. said. > In Phoenix, Ariz., temperatures were forecast to reach 112 Monday and > 108 Tuesday, while Las Vegas, Nev. readings were expected to reach > 107-108, WSC said. > In Los Angeles temperatures were seen reaching a high of 80 degrees > Monday and 79 Tuesday, although it was expected to be significantly > hotter in nearby valley communities with cities such as Pasadena > expected to see triple digit temperatures. > San Francisco was seen hitting highs of 78 Monday and 80 Tuesday, > while San Jose in Silicon Valley was seen peaking at 89 Monday and 95 > Tuesday, then plummeting to 74 Wednesday, WSC said.
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Dakota County Frustrated with Xcel’s Power Outages Dakota County officials are getting tired of power outages. They’ve decided to spend $300,000 for backup generators and have sent Xcel Energy a bill for nearly $75,000 for damages and lost productivity. Xcel says it won’t pay the bill, but the St. Paul Pioneer Press reports Xcel will reimburse the county a little over $2,700 for computer-related damages and repairs. According to internal figures, nearly 210,000 Minnesota customers lost power in non-storm-related outages in the first six months of this year. That’s an increase of 8.3 percent over the same period last year. In May and June, four outages kept Dakota County offices shut for nearly seven hours. (Copyright 2003 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.) Last Updated – 8/17/2003 3:21:41 PM
U.S. skeptical lightning caused outage The Associated Press and staff reports MAX SCHULTE Rochester
Walt Morgan, Larry Nelson, Greg Norman, were late starters. Annika Sorenstam started fairly late. tim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We all know that Tiger started early, around 3, and most know that Phil Mickelson started around the same age. I read where Ben Curtis’ parents were frantically looking for him at midnight one night when he was about 5, only to find him out back on the putting green, practicing his putting in his pajamas. I think that Bobby Jones won his first serious golf tournament, the Southern Open played in Birmingham, Alabama, when he was only like 12 or 14. I’m guessing that most of the tour pros probably started playing golf before the age of 10. I wonder if there is any data on this anywhere? And does anyone know of other pro’s starting ages? — Regards, Irish Golf Lad "Now, go pump some iron you dingle berry brained chuckling chump, and if I’ve said anything to offend you, I meant it." [Ryan]
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We all know that Tiger started early, around 3, and most know that Phil Mickelson started around the same age. I read where Ben Curtis’ parents were frantically looking for him at midnight one night when he was about 5, only to find him out back on the putting green, practicing his putting in his pajamas. I think that Bobby Jones won his first serious golf tournament, the Southern Open played in Birmingham, Alabama, when he was only like 12 or 14. I’m guessing that most of the tour pros probably started playing golf before the age of 10. I wonder if there is any data on this anywhere? And does anyone know of other pro’s starting ages? —
Hale Irwin as a twenty something year old. Or was it Larry Nelson – one of them… or maybe both. George Hibbard www.perfectimpact.com
I’m guessing that most of the tour pros probably started playing golf before the age of 10. I wonder if there is any data on this anywhere? And does anyone know of other pro’s starting ages?
Greg Norman – 17 y.o. cheers david
We all know that Tiger started early, around 3, and most know that Phil Mickelson started around the same age. I read where Ben Curtis’ parents were frantically looking for him at midnight one night when he was about 5, only to find him out back on the putting green, practicing his putting in his pajamas. I think that Bobby Jones won his first serious golf tournament, the Southern Open played in Birmingham, Alabama, when he was only like 12 or 14. I’m guessing that most of the tour pros probably started playing golf before the age of 10. I wonder if there is any data on this anywhere? And does anyone know of other pro’s starting ages? — Regards, Irish Golf Lad "Now, go pump some iron you dingle berry brained chuckling chump, and if I’ve said anything to offend you, I meant it." [Ryan]
I agree with that, my son is a pro as well. But that isn’t making a living playing golf. that is making a living in the golf industry. If you can live off your playing earnings, I don’t think you can complain much. At the worst, you deal with your own self induced worries about your game while you are playing the best courses in the world. Most of us are doing that on less desirable courses, and paying for the privilege, (happily).
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Tough way to make a living?, c’mon – be serious, you’re playing golf all the time. Sounds OK to me, definitely an upgrade from my viewpoint! You’re only looking at the top players in the world. There are thousands who are club pros, and play smaller tours which just scrape by. I’ve got a couple of family members who are pros. I wouldn’t be an assistant or head pro of a club if I had the qualifications. They work all weekends, holidays, all day long, and make shit for money. You have to supplement your income by giving lessons.
Tough way to make a living?, c’mon – be serious, you’re playing golf all the time. Sounds OK to me, definitely an upgrade from my viewpoint!
You’re only looking at the top players in the world. There are thousands who are club pros, and play smaller tours which just scrape by. I’ve got a couple of family members who are pros. I wouldn’t be an assistant or head pro of a club if I had the qualifications. They work all weekends, holidays, all day long, and make shit for money. You have to supplement your income by giving lessons.
15 wins, 1365 losses
They only "lose" when their earnings are exceeded by their non-elective expenses. These guys haven’t lost since they got their first shot at the pros. –Blair "My best day < their worst day."
Tough way to make a living?, c’mon – be serious, you’re playing golf all the time. Sounds OK to me, definitely an upgrade from my viewpoint!
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 15 wins, 1365 losses That is the combined PGA tour record of Peter Jacobsen and Jay Haas over their careers. This stat came up today at the GHO where they share the lead. And they are famous and very successful with a winning percentage just over 1%. Its a tough way to earn a living. Yes, but let’s not forget, it’s not winner take all. If you are keeping your card on the PGA tour, you’re making a nice living.
What the hell is a loss? Does not taking 1st count as a loss? A bit simplistic don’t you think? No, you either win or you don’t. Winning or losing is a binary variable. Because of the nature of the beast, though, golf provides a comfortable living to those to lose the tournament but come close.
Not binary, because you get money for losing (See 150th place on the money list, surely didn’t win, can’t call him a loser either can you?) KT
What the hell is a loss? Does not taking 1st count as a loss? A bit simplistic don’t you think? No, you either win or you don’t. Winning or losing is a binary variable.
True, but unlike the result of a match-play round or team sports match, a golf-"win" is not the equal and opposite qunatity of a golf-"loss" . In a golf tournament, there are hundereds of "losses" created for every one "win". If you want to compare a player’s percentage of tournaments won to something approximating a .500-centered won-lost record, divide the number of tournaments-not-won by (the average-number-of players-involved-in-tournaments-not-won minus 1). – Andrew
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What the hell is a loss? Does not taking 1st count as a loss? A bit simplistic don’t you think? No, you either win or you don’t. Winning or losing is a binary variable. True, but unlike the result of a match-play round or team sports match, a golf-"win" is not the equal and opposite qunatity of a golf-"loss" . In a golf tournament, there are hundereds of "losses" created for every one "win". If you want to compare a player’s percentage of tournaments won to something approximating a .500-centered won-lost record, divide the number of tournaments-not-won by (the average-number-of players-involved-in-tournaments-not-won minus 1).
Or do what the Sagarin Rankings do: treat each tournament as a bunch on one-on-one competitions between everyone involved. If you finish higher than another player in the tournament, then you defeated him; if he finished higher, he defeated you. If there are 150 players in the field, then each player comes away with 149 one-on-one results. Doug — ___, Doug Massey, ASIC Digital Logic Designer o IBM Microelectronics Division, Burlington, Vermont | | Phone: (802)769-7095 t/l: 446-7095 fax: x6752 | / | . My homepage: http://doug.obscurestuff.com (|)
What the hell is a loss? Does not taking 1st count as a loss? A bit simplistic don’t you think?
No, you either win or you don’t. Winning or losing is a binary variable. Because of the nature of the beast, though, golf provides a comfortable living to those to lose the tournament but come close.
15 wins, 1365 losses That is the combined PGA tour record of Peter Jacobsen and Jay Haas over their careers. This stat came up today at the GHO where they share the lead. And they are famous and very successful with a winning percentage just over 1%. Its a tough way to earn a living.
That would be true if only the first-place finisher were awarded prize money. Doug — ___, Doug Massey, ASIC Digital Logic Designer o IBM Microelectronics Division, Burlington, Vermont | | Phone: (802)769-7095 t/l: 446-7095 fax: x6752 | / | . My homepage: http://doug.obscurestuff.com (|)
15 wins, 1365 losses That is the combined PGA tour record of Peter Jacobsen and Jay Haas over their careers. This stat came up today at the GHO where they share the lead. And they are famous and very successful with a winning percentage just over 1%. Its a tough way to earn a living.
Yes, but let’s not forget, it’s not winner take all. If you are keeping your card on the PGA tour, you’re making a nice living.
What the hell is a loss? Does not taking 1st count as a loss? A bit simplistic don’t you think? These guys aren’t in the habit of playing in match play format are they? — bill-o
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 15 wins, 1365 losses That is the combined PGA tour record of Peter Jacobsen and Jay Haas over their careers. This stat came up today at the GHO where they share the lead. And they are famous and very successful with a winning percentage just over 1%. Its a tough way to earn a living.
15 wins, 1365 losses That is the combined PGA tour record of Peter Jacobsen and Jay Haas over their careers. This stat came up today at the GHO where they share the lead. And they are famous and very successful with a winning percentage just over 1%. Its a tough way to earn a living.
If men are not allowed to compete in the LPGA, why is Suzy Whaley permitted to play in the Greater Hartford Open? Why the hypocrisy? Why the double standard?
If men are not allowed to compete in the LPGA, why is Suzy Whaley permitted to play in the Greater Hartford Open? Why the hypocrisy? Why the double standard?
Obviously because the standard isn’t set out in the PGA as it is in the LPGA. It probably never crossed the minds of the framers of the PGA by-laws committee that a woman would ever enter one of their tournaments. ___ o ’ | / . "Someone likes every shot" bk Troll intolerant. I took the RSG 2002 Pledge. Ignore them and they’ll go away.
She won the LPGA Club and Teaching Pro title last month, and she’s not the first woman to enter a PGA qualifying tournament…there have been several others. She’s just the first one who’s won it. More at: http://www.ctnow.com/sports/golf ___ o ’ | / . "Someone likes every shot" bk Troll intolerant. I took the RSG 2002 Pledge. Ignore them and they’ll go away.
If men are not allowed to compete in the LPGA, why is Suzy Whaley permitted to play in the Greater Hartford Open? Why the hypocrisy? Why the double standard?
Lots of competition have restricted and open events. Open events allow seniors, children, women, employees, students, and disabled players to compete. But we still have a seniors tour, various youth events, employee only events, high school events, disabled events, etc. Nothing wrong with limiting an event to kids under 8. Just recognize that the winner isn’t the absolute best in the world. A half century ago, some open events changed to invitational – so they wouldn’t have to invite blacks. I call the winners of those events champions of whites, instead of champions. The PGA is more inclusive than the LPGA, so its win means more. That’s OK.
If men are not allowed to compete in the LPGA, why is Suzy Whaley permitted to play in the Greater Hartford Open? Why the hypocrisy? Why the double standard?
Just to clarify: Hypocrisy is the act of pretending to be one thing, while actually being or acting in a contrary manner. For example, a person who publicly says one thing, but says or does the opposite in practice is a hypocrite and the act would be hypocrisy. A double standard is to have different requirements for different classes of people. For example, having an unhandicapped (gross score) golf tournament where men played from one set of tees and women played from a different set would be an example of a double standard. OK, what do we have? Well first, "PGA Tour" stands for Professional Golfers of America Tour, not Professional Male Golfers of America and there are no gender requirements in any of the PGA Tour’s rules or conditions of competition. Hence, no hypocrisy. Secondly, if she elects to play in the GHO she will be required to play from the same tees as the men, so no double standard. Thirdly, the woman in question belongs to the PGA. The PGA, PGA Tour and LPGA are 3 separate and distinct organizations, each with their own rules, regulations and requirement. You completely missed whatever target it was you happened to be shooting at by accusing the 2 organizations that had nothing to do with this of both hypocrisy and of having double standards. You just whacked the topic with a broad brush and hoped some of the tar would stick. I’m afraid all that tactic does is make you look uninformed and ignorant. A far better method of getting your point across would have been to point out that the PGA (not LPGA or PGA Tour) allowed her to compete in an unhandicapped tournament from a shorter set of tees than the male players. That is a double standard and would have been a viable point for discussion. But you blew your credibility by attacking the wrong organizations, so we all know that your intent was nothing more than to stir up trouble. — Dan Driscoll Member USGA, NCGA RSG FAQ: http://ttsoft.com/thor/rsggolf.html RSG Roll Call http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=driscolld
It was not a PGA Tour qualifying tournament. It was a sectional PGA of America Tournament and the GHO gives an exemption to the winner. Since she won, she gets to play in the GHO if she wants. Unless the GHO and the PGA Tour want an all expenses paid trip to Hootie Hell, she doesn’t get uninvited.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – She won the LPGA Club and Teaching Pro title last month, and she’s not the first woman to enter a PGA qualifying tournament…there have been several others. She’s just the first one who’s won it. More at: http://www.ctnow.com/sports/golf ___ o ’ | / . "Someone likes every shot" bk Troll intolerant. I took the RSG 2002 Pledge. Ignore them and they’ll go away.
PGA events are not restricted by sex unlike the LPGA. PGA events are open to anyone with the skill level to compete, unlike the LPGA. Bottom line is, if there was not a sex restriction for LPGA events, there would be no females cashing a check in an LPGA event. The problem I have is it is my understanding that Suzy Whaley qualified for the GHO from a shorter set of tees. Why is she not required to play from the same set of tees as the men in the qualifier? How does that make sense? Either she is good enough to play (from the same set of tees as all others attempting to qualify) or she is not? Steve
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If men are not allowed to compete in the LPGA, why is Suzy Whaley permitted to play in the Greater Hartford Open? Why the hypocrisy? Why the double standard?
PGA events are not restricted by sex unlike the LPGA. PGA events are open to anyone with the skill level to compete, unlike the LPGA. Bottom line is, if there was not a sex restriction for LPGA events, there would be no females cashing a check in an LPGA event. The problem I have is it is my understanding that Suzy Whaley qualified for the GHO from a shorter set of tees. Why is she not required to play from the same set of tees as the men in the qualifier? How does that make sense? Either she is good enough to play (from the same set of tees as all others attempting to qualify) or she is not?
She qualified by winning an event (a PGA of America event). That event allowed her to play from a different set of tees. If the GHO is unhappy with her being able to qualify by winning an event run by another organization then the GHO should remove the automatic-qualification for the winner of that event. — http://www.rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=hayesd Troll Intolerant: http://rec-sport-golf.com/newsgroup/philosophy.html
PGA events are not restricted by sex unlike the LPGA. PGA events are open to anyone with the skill level to compete, unlike the LPGA. Bottom line is, if there was not a sex restriction for LPGA events, there would be no females cashing a check in an LPGA event. The problem I have is it is my understanding that Suzy Whaley qualified for the GHO from a shorter set of tees. Why is she not required to play from the same set of tees as the men in the qualifier? How does that make sense? Either she is good enough to play (from the same set of tees as all others attempting to qualify) or she is not? Steve
Apparently, "The rules of competition are established by the local section of the PGA of America, and whatever they set up, we accept," Combs said. "As far as we’re concerned, there’s a spot in the GHO with her name on it." I guess they could have had kiddy tees if they wanted and had the first child qualify and it would be OK with the GHO (any age restriction? I know there is to be on the tour). Maybe it was a way of assuring a woman could get a spot in a PGA Tour event. Great marketing in light of the AN/Hootie fiasco. Dar
My point is the course she played is 699 yards shorter than what the males played and from my experiance, in general, the farther back the tees you are playing the more difficult the angle to the fairway / green. Would anyone consider it fair if my 3 year old was allowed to play from tees 90% closer than the mens tees instead of the 10% closer she was allowed? Yes she qualified per the rules, congratulations to her. But any sane person must agree that per the rules, the playing field used for all of the players was not the same. I could not care less if a female qualifies as long as they are playing by the same set of rules which in my opinion must include hitting from the same set of tees. GHO. There will be huge pressure on her to play from some groups, especially in light of the Augusta flap. If she does play there will be the glare of the media spotlight. There will be the burden to prove she does belong. There will be par 4s over 460 yards, a 570 yard par 5. The reality is she is a qualifier who played a course 699 yards shorter than the other qualifiers, not an excempt member of the PGA tour so in all probability she is not going to be competative. If she plays and is not somewhat competative, does she help or hurt womens golf? Steve
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – PGA events are not restricted by sex unlike the LPGA. PGA events are open to anyone with the skill level to compete, unlike the LPGA. Bottom line is, if there was not a sex restriction for LPGA events, there would be no females cashing a check in an LPGA event. The problem I have is it is my understanding that Suzy Whaley qualified for the GHO from a shorter set of tees. Why is she not required to play from the same set of tees as the men in the qualifier? How does that make sense? Either she is good enough to play (from the same set of tees as all others attempting to qualify) or she is not? She qualified by winning an event (a PGA of America event). That event allowed her to play from a different set of tees. If the GHO is unhappy with her being able to qualify by winning an event run by another organization then the GHO should remove the automatic-qualification for the winner of that event. — http://www.rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=hayesd Troll Intolerant: http://rec-sport-golf.com/newsgroup/philosophy.html
Apparently, "The rules of competition are established by the local section of the PGA of America, and whatever they set up, we accept," Combs said. "As far as we’re concerned, there’s a spot in the GHO with her name on it." I guess they could have had kiddy tees if they wanted and had the first child qualify and it would be OK with the GHO (any age restriction? I know there is to be on the tour). Maybe it was a way of assuring a woman could get a spot in a PGA Tour event. Great marketing in light of the AN/Hootie fiasco. Dar
Since the qualifying criteria have been in place for quite a few years, and TTBOMK, gender has never been one of those criteria, I somehow doubt that the idea of ‘assuring’ a woman could qualify for a PGA Tour event had anything to do with it. — Dan Driscoll Member USGA, NCGA RSG FAQ: http://ttsoft.com/thor/rsggolf.html RSG Roll Call http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=driscolld
It was a sectional PGA of America Tournament and the GHO gives an exemption to the winner.
And if she wins the GHO does she qualify for Augusta??? :-) Serious question. There probably isn’t any sexual discriminating language in the Masters’ exemptions, is there?
Winning a single tournament is no longer sufficient to get invited, see http://www.golfweb.com/tournaments/masters/2002/qualifiers/criteria.html Some of the qualifications seem specific to men – US Open but not the US Women’s Open. If she gets past other filters – top forty on the money list – then Hootie has to let her play or face a real shit storm.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It was a sectional PGA of America Tournament and the GHO gives an exemption to the winner. And if she wins the GHO does she qualify for Augusta??? :-) Serious question. There probably isn’t any sexual discriminating language in the Masters’ exemptions, is there?
It was a sectional PGA of America Tournament and the GHO gives an exemption to the winner. And if she wins the GHO does she qualify for Augusta??? :-) Serious question. There probably isn’t any sexual discriminating language in the Masters’ exemptions, is there?
A tournament win doesn’t earn a Masters exemption anymore. See: http://www.masters.org/scores/bios/qualifications.html — http://www.rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=hayesd Troll Intolerant: http://rec-sport-golf.com/newsgroup/philosophy.html
I would highly doubt there is any "sexual discriminating" language in the Masters’ invitation since is no "sexual discriminating" language in the Augusta membership. It just so happens that the members of Augusta have either not invited a female to join or if they have, the female declined the invite. Steve
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It was a sectional PGA of America Tournament and the GHO gives an exemption to the winner. And if she wins the GHO does she qualify for Augusta??? :-) Serious question. There probably isn’t any sexual discriminating language in the Masters’ exemptions, is there?
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Apparently, "The rules of competition are established by the local section of the PGA of America, and whatever they set up, we accept," Combs said. "As far as we’re concerned, there’s a spot in the GHO with her name on it." I guess they could have had kiddy tees if they wanted and had the first child qualify and it would be OK with the GHO (any age restriction? I know there is to be on the tour). Maybe it was a way of assuring a woman could get a spot in a PGA Tour event. Great marketing in light of the AN/Hootie fiasco. Dar Since the qualifying criteria have been in place for quite a few years, and TTBOMK, gender has never been one of those criteria, I somehow doubt that the idea of ‘assuring’ a woman could qualify for a PGA Tour event had anything to do with it. — Dan Driscoll
I think the key word is "could" not "assured". Obviously the sectional is set up so that it is possible for the women PGA Pro to be able to compete with the male PGA Pros. Apparently the sectional rules committee doesn’t feel this is possible using the same tees for all PGA Pros. Pardon the sarcasm in the prior post, but I think this is exactly the case. I agree the GHO is just a winner’s bonus. The GHO organizers have allowed the sectional winner regardless of sex (which I agree with) and regardless that a different course was played (which I don’t). If you don’t think tee boxes translate to a difference in course just try playing a few different rounds from the various tees. An extreme analogy is affirmative action, different standards for different groups of people to "level" the playing field. At this level of competitive sports, I don’t think there is a place for it. And to think I’m one of the guys that enjoys golfing with his wife and often loses (full handicaps) with her playing different tees. Dar
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Apparently, "The rules of competition are established by the local section of the PGA of America, and whatever they set up, we accept," Combs said. "As far as we’re concerned, there’s a spot in the GHO with her name on it." I guess they could have had kiddy tees if they wanted and had the first child qualify and it would be OK with the GHO (any age restriction? I know there is to be on the tour). Maybe it was a way of assuring a woman could get a spot in a PGA Tour event. Great marketing in light of the AN/Hootie fiasco. Dar Since the qualifying criteria have been in place for quite a few years, and TTBOMK, gender has never been one of those criteria, I somehow doubt that the idea of ‘assuring’ a woman could qualify for a PGA Tour event had anything to do with it. — Dan Driscoll I think the key word is "could" not "assured". Obviously the sectional is set up so that it is possible for the women PGA Pro to be able to compete with the male PGA Pros. Apparently the sectional rules committee doesn’t feel this is possible using the same tees for all PGA Pros. Pardon the sarcasm in the prior post, but I think this is exactly the case.
Your post might carry more weight if it included some facts regarding the number of times that PGA (of America) female-pros have competed against the male-pros using different tees and what the results were in those events. I agree the GHO is just a winner’s bonus. The GHO organizers have allowed the sectional winner regardless of sex (which I agree with) and regardless that a different course was played (which I don’t). If you don’t think tee boxes translate to a difference in course just try playing a few different rounds from the various tees. An extreme analogy is affirmative action, different standards for different groups of people to "level" the playing field. At this level of competitive sports, I don’t think there is a place for it. And to think I’m one of the guys that enjoys golfing with his wife and often loses (full handicaps) with her playing different tees.
Are you aware that the USGA handicap manual suggests that an adjustment be made when players are competing from different sets of tees ? In any event, I doubt that your matches with your wife are the least bit relevant to the Whaley/GHO case. — http://www.rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=hayesd Troll Intolerant: http://rec-sport-golf.com/newsgroup/philosophy.html
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – PGA events are not restricted by sex unlike the LPGA. PGA events are open to anyone with the skill level to compete, unlike the LPGA. Bottom line is, if there was not a sex restriction for LPGA events, there would be no females cashing a check in an LPGA event. The problem I have is it is my understanding that Suzy Whaley qualified for the GHO from a shorter set of tees. Why is she not required to play from the same set of tees as the men in the qualifier? How does that make sense? Either she is good enough to play (from the same set of tees as all others attempting to qualify) or she is not? She qualified by winning an event (a PGA of America event). That event allowed her to play from a different set of tees. If the GHO is unhappy with her being able to qualify by winning an event run by another organization then the GHO should remove the automatic-qualification for the winner of that event. —
Agreed! But I don’t think they are unhappy about it. It comes off as very PC and offsets the black eye golf has gotten as a result of the Burk/Hootie tryst. They are allowing a woman to play under the pretense of fairness. However, now she has to play the same tees/course as the other competitors. I’m sure she could have requested to play from the "men’s" tees in the sectional. Now, unfortunately, her game has yet to prove to be up to it since she qualified at a different standard/course than the other competitors. Likely just going give the male gender bigots more ammunition if she does… women don’t belong etc. Dar
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Apparently, "The rules of competition are established by the local section of the PGA of America, and whatever they set up, we accept," Combs said. "As far as we’re concerned, there’s a spot in the GHO with her name on it." I guess they could have had kiddy tees if they wanted and had the first child qualify and it would be OK with the GHO (any age restriction? I know there is to be on the tour). Maybe it was a way of assuring a woman could get a spot in a PGA Tour event. Great marketing in light of the AN/Hootie fiasco. Dar Since the qualifying criteria have been in place for quite a few years, and TTBOMK, gender has never been one of those criteria, I somehow doubt that the idea of ‘assuring’ a woman could qualify for a PGA Tour event had anything to do with it. — Dan Driscoll I think the key word is "could" not "assured". Obviously the sectional is set up so that it is possible for the women PGA Pro to be able to compete with the male PGA Pros. Apparently the sectional rules committee doesn’t feel this is possible using the same tees for all PGA Pros. Pardon the sarcasm in the prior post, but I think this is exactly the case. Your post might carry more weight if it included some facts regarding the number of times that PGA (of America) female-pros have competed against the male-pros using different tees and what the results were in those events.
True, but considering women PGA pros are hardly a rare commodity, I assume it’s not rare they take the opportunity to play in the tournaments. Not sure what outcome has to do with it, although if they could compete from the same tees the PGA would have them do it and I would wager it is common practice. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I agree the GHO is just a winner’s bonus. The GHO organizers have allowed the sectional winner regardless of sex (which I agree with) and regardless that a different course was played (which I don’t). If you don’t think tee boxes translate to a difference in course just try playing a few different rounds from the various tees. An extreme analogy is affirmative action, different standards for different groups of people to "level" the playing field. At this level of competitive sports, I don’t think there is a place for it. And to think I’m one of the guys that enjoys golfing with his wife and often loses (full handicaps) with her playing different tees. Are you aware that the USGA handicap manual suggests that an adjustment be made when players are competing from different sets of tees ?
Really? Never knew that. Did you know that slope varies with the tees used? Maybe the two are connected. That just supports the point that the competitors in this case played different courses. In any event, I doubt that your matches with your wife are the least bit relevant to the Whaley/GHO case.
No, but it does show that I’m not averse to playing golf and competeing with women despite the obvious differences. I’m not objecting to the gender just the way the "first women" to play in a pga tournament got there. Just an opinion, (footnotes and bib to follow) Dar
Hootie’s argument which has not been challenged is that the tournament and the club membership are two different things so your linkage of them is weak at best. The qualifications do descrimiante on the basis of sex. The winners of the US Open are invited, but not the Winners of the US Women’s Open.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I would highly doubt there is any "sexual discriminating" language in the Masters’ invitation since is no "sexual discriminating" language in the Augusta membership. It just so happens that the members of Augusta have either not invited a female to join or if they have, the female declined the invite. Steve It was a sectional PGA of America Tournament and the GHO gives an exemption to the winner. And if she wins the GHO does she qualify for Augusta??? :-) Serious question. There probably isn’t any sexual discriminating language in the Masters’ exemptions, is there?
I think the key word is "could" not "assured". Obviously the sectional is set up so that it is possible for the women PGA Pro to be able to compete with the male PGA Pros. Apparently the sectional rules committee doesn’t feel this is possible using the same tees for all PGA Pros. Pardon the sarcasm in the prior post, but I think this is exactly the case. Your post might carry more weight if it included some facts regarding the number of times that PGA (of America) female-pros have competed against the male-pros using different tees and what the results were in those events.
Actually, your post would carry more weight if women would have ever shown they can compete with men. Like JeffC has pointed out many times, no woman has ever qualified for the US Open. If they could, they would have by now. Whether women pros have success or not from forward tees is irrelevant. When you "move up" so to speak, you have to be able to compete on those terms, not on terms that might "make it fair for you". Actually I hope she plays. I don’t think they can get away with her playing a different set of tees. And then we can see once and for all…
It was a sectional PGA of America Tournament and the GHO gives an exemption to the winner. And if she wins the GHO does she qualify for Augusta??? :-) Serious question. There probably isn’t any sexual discriminating language in the Masters’ exemptions, is there?
The Master’s is totally discriminating….its by invitation only. There’s no qualifying. ___, o | / . "Someone likes every shot" bk
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It was a sectional PGA of America Tournament and the GHO gives an exemption to the winner. And if she wins the GHO does she qualify for Augusta??? :-) Serious question. There probably isn’t any sexual discriminating language in the Masters’ exemptions, is there? The Master’s is totally discriminating….its by invitation only. There’s no qualifying.
Not really true. It is an Invitational, which gives the Masters committee some latitude to get the right guys in. But, there is certainly qualifing criteria for automatic Top finishers in Majors. Top 50 on $ list Previous Master’s Champs Winner and runner-up of USGA AM Winner British AM Brad – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ___, o | / . "Someone likes every shot" bk
No longer a true invitational. Currently, if you accomplish certain things, you will be invited. See http://www.golfweb.com/tournaments/masters/2002/qualifiers/criteria.html for the 2002 criteria. I assume they reserve the right to invite additional players. If a women meets one of the published qualifications and doesn’t get an invite she and her lawyers will probably be the new owners of a certain golf course in Georgia.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It was a sectional PGA of America Tournament and the GHO gives an exemption to the winner. And if she wins the GHO does she qualify for Augusta??? :-) Serious question. There probably isn’t any sexual discriminating language in the Masters’ exemptions, is there? The Master’s is totally discriminating….its by invitation only. There’s no qualifying. ___, o | / . "Someone likes every shot" bk
The Master’s is totally discriminating….its by invitation only. There’s no qualifying. Not really true. It is an Invitational, which gives the Masters committee some latitude to get the right guys in. But, there is certainly qualifing criteria for automatic
You’re right… ___, o | / . "Someone likes every shot" bk
Yeah, he didn’t want his other girlfriend to catch him. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – yeah…and didn’t he kinda look like he just wanted to get away from her? Desi Anybody notice how she wouldn’t stop kissing him? That was cute and hilarious at the same time. Jack — aka Keet Visit my web page at http://junior.apk.net/~jac/
Anybody notice how she wouldn’t stop kissing him? That was cute and hilarious at the same time. Jack — aka Keet Visit my web page at http://junior.apk.net/~jac/
He had just won a golf tournament, she had just won lotto.
Anybody notice how she wouldn’t stop kissing him? That was cute and hilarious at the same time.
She was on him faster than a desk clerk on Kobe.
yeah…and didn’t he kinda look like he just wanted to get away from her? Desi
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If you want to see a rule change, petition the USGA or in this case, the R&A. If enough people, particularly members, complain loud and long enough, eventually the R&A (and USGA) will change the rule.
In this case, a procedural change made by the tournament would have helped. BTW, are you talking about a wholesale rule change or just for the pros and majors? What about lower level competitions, where there isn’t any TV coverage, may not be a marker and might not even be any spectators?
I’ve participated in tournaments where there wasn’t enough of a committee to catch adding errors, and where most people don’t even know the rules well enough to DQ themselves, if they were so inclined. The non-golf part of the rules should be as simple and unobtrusive as possible.
WOW! You mean that it is OK if they players don’t bother to check their own cards? That the player’s themselves bear absolutely no responsibility whatsoever for not making sure they were putting the scores on the correct card? For not actually confirming that it was their own name at the top of the card they turned in as an official record of they rounds?
It is necessary for them to be aware of those rules and check carefully. That doesn’t mean that the rules and procedures shouldn’t be modified to make it more likely that the winner of a tournament is the person who plays the best golf, instead of the one who is better at bookkeeping. As the rules stand, they should be DQ’d. And the fans should be PO’d. And the powers that be should examine what they can do to make a better competition in the future.
It is necessary for them to be aware of those rules and check carefully. That doesn’t mean that the rules and procedures shouldn’t be modified to make it more likely that the winner of a tournament is the person who plays the best golf, instead of the one who is better at bookkeeping. As the rules stand, they should be DQ’d. And the fans should be PO’d. And the powers that be should examine what they can do to make a better competition in the future.
If you want to see a rule change, petition the USGA or in this case, the R&A. If enough people, particularly members, complain loud and long enough, eventually the R&A (and USGA) will change the rule. But I have to say that personally, I don’t think it is too much to require the players to take care of their own scores and make sure they return on the correct card. But I can understand why some would disagree. After all, it’s mighty difficult, making sure you put the correct score down for the correct hole on the correct card. It’s a damn good thing they don’t require players to add up those scores, think of the controversy THAT would cause! I guess I’m just old fashioned, thinking that grown men and women who have been doing this for many years should be held accountable for their actions. You know, that ‘personal responsibility’ thing. BTW, are you talking about a wholesale rule change or just for the pros and majors? What about lower level competitions, where there isn’t any TV coverage, may not be a marker and might not even be any spectators? — Dan Driscoll Member – NCGA RSG FAQ: http://ttsoft.com/thor/rsggolf.html RSG Roll Call http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=driscolld
…… I thought suggestion from the previous poster was that having the names on the cards was what was different. As to who gets handed which card, the absolute very first thing any competitor should do is check and make sure it is the information on the card is correct. Right name, correct spelling, proper date, etc. …..
Wow, are you implying that it could be even worse than it was? What happens in the case of a spelling mistake, or a typo in the date on the card issued by the committee? DQ? It seems consistent and logical, all you Spockish rulehounds! What bothers me, (other than a useless yet slavish devotion to an irrelevant rule) is to see the outcome of one of the year’s best events skewed by something far more arbitrary than a bad bounce off the fairway. And it lessens the event, and by extension the sport for me. I have a waning interest in ice hockey as it progresses towards a clutch and grab fest: I can (almost) do that, and if I’m going to spend my free time watching professional sports, then I want to see a level of skill that is beyond me. I have no interest in watching a golf tournament based on card-fillers and rules aficionados: I like to watch athletes performing at their peak. The rules are not the point of the game, they are there to support it. And finally, if you have a rule which says the committee can use its discretion in the case of a DQ, why was none exercised? dh (still pissed at this stupid thing)
Wow, are you implying that it could be even worse than it was? What happens in the case of a spelling mistake, or a typo in the date on the card issued by the committee? DQ? It seems consistent and logical, all you Spockish rulehounds!
Oh, for heaven’s sake. When are some people who make errors going to take some responsiblity for their mistakes* instead of continually blaming "systems" or "lousy rules". If I want to get mail, I make sure the addressee knows to put "Colin Wilson" on the letter, not "David Harris". Otherwise I won’t get it … and there’s not much point blaming the post office or the mail person if they don’t deliver it. Is it too hard for you to understand that if I put in a signed card full of scores, and want it to be counted as mine, that it has "Colin Wilson" printed on the top? That’s my responsibility, and *mine alone* … not the R&A’s, or the Open Championship officials, or the people in the scorer’s tent. * Actually Roe and Parnevik did. — Cheers Colin Wilson RSG Roll Call: http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=wilsonc Trentham Golf Club: http://www.trenthamgolf.com
…… I have no interest in watching a golf tournament based on card-fillers and rules aficionados: I like to watch athletes performing at their peak. The rules are not the point of the game, they are there to support it.
Quite the opposite, the rules define the game, and are therefore the point. How can we have an even contest among top athletes unless they all compete by the same rules? It doesn’t matter if they are perceived as unfair, daft, or whatever; the point is that they are there, they define the parameters of the sport, and everyone abides by them.
Wow, are you implying that it could be even worse than it was? What happens in the case of a spelling mistake, or a typo in the date on the card issued by the committee? DQ? It seems consistent and logical, all you Spockish rulehounds!
WOW! You mean that it is OK if they players don’t bother to check their own cards? That the player’s themselves bear absolutely no responsibility whatsoever for not making sure they were putting the scores on the correct card? For not actually confirming that it was their own name at the top of the card they turned in as an official record of they rounds? Who was it who signed a card with a score 1 stroke than he actually shot in the US Open? And didn’t he miss forcing a play-off by that 1 stroke? I’m sure he didn’t sign for a higher score intentionally. And it was a major tournament, there was a lot of pressure. I guess he should not be held responsible for signing an incorrect score card, either? What bothers me, (other than a useless yet slavish devotion to an irrelevant rule) is to see the outcome of one of the year’s best events skewed by something far more arbitrary than a bad bounce off the fairway. And it lessens the event, and by extension the sport for me.
That "slavish devotion to an irrelevant rule(s)" is a major factor in why I love golf so much. The willingness of those who play golf to subject themselves to those "irrelevant rule(s)", even though they may not agree with how some of them are applied, says a lot to me about the character of those people. I have a waning interest in ice hockey as it progresses towards a clutch and grab fest: I can (almost) do that, and if I’m going to spend my free time watching professional sports, then I want to see a level of skill that is beyond me.
So do I and I presume that is also true for most other fans. However, I hold professionals and top amateur to a higher standard than weekend hackers. I expect them to know and play by the rules and I expect those rules to be enforced at least a strongly as in a local qualifier or club championship. In truth, I expect MORE from a pro. As I’ve said before, if I’m going to give anyone a break it would be the 15 year old kid playing for the first time in a qualifying round for the Junior Amateur. If the Jr. or club player is subject to being DQ’s, why should the pro also be? I have no interest in watching a golf tournament based on card-fillers and rules aficionados: I like to watch athletes performing at their peak. The rules are not the point of the game, they are there to support it.
Part of golf is knowing and properly applying the rules, including those about keeping and submitting your score. It is another of those things that makes golf unique from among competitive sports. And finally, if you have a rule which says the committee can use its discretion in the case of a DQ, why was none exercised?
The committee did exercise its discretion. Exercising their discretion does not automatically mean overturning the previous ruling, it means to take the ruling under advisement and reexamine it. After exercising their discretion, the committee determined that the rule had been applied properly and allowed the disqualification to stand. I am sure they looked very closely at Decision 6-6d/4 (or whatever the similar decision is for the R&A) which addresses this exact situation. (From the USGA Rules website) "Q. A and B are playing together in stroke play. A is B
Fair play to him but he will never ever win a golf tournament again, he must feel the luckiest man alive Thomas bjorn wont sleep for a month 
Fair play to him but he will never ever win a golf tournament again, he must feel the luckiest man alive Thomas bjorn wont sleep for a month
Bit of a brave statement that! I’ll bet he does, depends what you mean by a golf tournament;-) I vaguely remember Tom Watson used to be a nonentity or unknown when he won the British Open for the first time;-) Ospry
If you are referring to Curtis Strange, you’re right.
That’s a safe bet even in a local club tournament for 4 and 5 handicaps. Safe to say it was the biggest longshot in the history of all sports dating back to the B.C. era in roman greco wrestling. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Fair play to him but he will never ever win a golf tournament again, he must feel the luckiest man alive Thomas bjorn wont sleep for a month Bit of a brave statement that! I’ll bet he does, depends what you mean by a golf tournament;-) I vaguely remember Tom Watson used to be a nonentity or unknown when he won the British Open for the first time;-) Ospry
The kid’s got a good swing with great tempo. With this confidence boosting victory, he could be the next David Toms.
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That’s exactly what my neighbor told me when Johnny Miller shot 63 to win the US Open.
Fair play to him but he will never ever win a golf tournament again, he must feel the luckiest man alive
He already won again last night when he banged the shit out of that large breasted blonde chippie he brought along. Meanwhile, you spent another evening with Harry Palms. Thomas bjorn wont sleep for a month
Screw that loser. Maybe next time he’ll learn to hit a simple greenside bunker shot. Better yet, he’ll learn the rules.
He has only played in what – 12 or 13 tournaments. Why would you make such an stupid statement! He beat the best of the best on a very difficult golf course – give him some credit.
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If you are referring to Curtis Strange, you’re right.
Funny! Apparently Ben has been a winner all his life – it will be nice if he continues.
:He has only played in what – 12 or 13 tournaments. Why would you make such :an stupid statement! He beat the best of the best on a very difficult golf :course – give him some credit. Exactly. Luckiest man alive? He won the tournament fair and square by making good golf shots, better all in all than the best golfers in the world? I don’t see where luck is much of a factor here. Now if you won the Pennsylvania lottery, that’s luck. He conquered the best. Will he win another tournament. Hey, he’s got a million times better chance than the deuce who posted this drivel. :
: Fair play to him but he will never ever win a golf tournament again, he :must : feel the luckiest man alive : Thomas bjorn wont sleep for a month : : : : :
-:He has only played in what – 12 or 13 tournaments. Why would you make such -:an stupid statement! He beat the best of the best on a very difficult golf -:course – give him some credit. – -Luckiest man alive? He won the tournament fair and square by making good -golf shots, better all in all than the best golfers in the world? If you look at his stats for the year, you’ll see why he won: http://www.golfweb.com/players/02/26/21/stats_2003.html The most decent part of his game is driving accuracy. That was crucial for the British Open this year. Will he win much in the future? Who knows. One can only wonder what marriage will do to his game. In fact, maybe the adrenaline of his first major, plus being about to get married, were factors in this tournament.
If you look at his stats for the year, you’ll see why he won: http://www.golfweb.com/players/02/26/21/stats_2003.html The most decent part of his game is driving accuracy. That was crucial for the British Open this year. Will he win much in the future? Who knows. One can only wonder what marriage will do to his game. In fact, maybe the adrenaline of his first major, plus being about to get married, were factors in this tournament.
I wonder how Annika would have done! If she could only putt the way Ben did.
If you look at his stats for the year, you’ll see why he won: http://www.golfweb.com/players/02/26/21/stats_2003.html The most decent part of his game is driving accuracy. That was crucial for the British Open this year. Will he win much in the future? Who knows. One can only wonder what marriage will do to his game. In fact, maybe the adrenaline of his first major, plus being about to get married, were factors in this tournament.
This article is a review of the Curtis family owned and operated golf course. Reading the description, you can see that although it is not a link-style course it would foster skills that would be very handy on a links course. Very tight driving and dealing with extreme slope on greens in particular. http://www.travelgolf.com/millcreek.htm Rich
Thanks for the prediction, Nostradumbass. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Fair play to him but he will never ever win a golf tournament again, he must feel the luckiest man alive Thomas bjorn wont sleep for a month
Even if that’s true, Ben Curtis has won one more major than I will ever win.