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If women want to have a Woman’s Club, as they do in Red Bank, NJ and many other places, that’s also fine with me. Rich Soyack Good! Then you shouldn’t be upset about women’s only train cars, right? Just following your logic here. K
Dobie, we’ve already established that Rich, Michael "Troll" Snyder, GodEvolved, OhSojourner, Jill, and the rest of the bitter boy/girl contingent don’t use logic. Witness OhSojourner’s fallacious comparsion of dolphins to people. Or Michael "Troll" Snyder’s illogical evasion of evidence he doesn’t like. Or Jill’s inability to understand the function of the female genitals while claiming to be a woman…. -=Chive Science is not belief, but the will to find out.
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If women want to have a Woman’s Club, as they do in Red Bank, NJ and many other places, that’s also fine with me. Rich Soyack Good! Then you shouldn’t be upset about women’s only train cars, right? Just following your logic here. K Dobie, we’ve already established that Rich, Michael "Troll" Snyder, GodEvolved, OhSojourner, Jill, and the rest of the bitter boy/girl contingent don’t use logic.
Thanks for demonstrating your inability to use logic; I’m here arguing with quite possibly the world’s most virulent misogynist and you’re still fallaciously and incorrectly assuming I must belong to that camp. I think we’ve already established who the "troll" is — and I’m talking about the one who posts libel, false accusations,mailbombs people, etc. Witness OhSojourner’s fallacious comparsion of dolphins to people.
I was not "comparing dolphins to people", that was for the benefit of OTHER PEOPLE who "compare them to people" — that they must have amazingly high IQs – whether that be "similar to humans" or "specific to cetaceans" — on the criteria of brain mass alone. But as their model demonstrates, "brain mass alone" is not the sole indicator of intelligence when there are other components to consider, such as type and number of brain cells, how they are connected, which areas of the brain are more highly developed; etc. Or Michael "Troll" Snyder’s illogical evasion of evidence he doesn’t like. Or Jill’s inability to understand the function of the female genitals while claiming to be a woman….
…and witness Chive attacking moderates while pretending to ignore the real misogynists. …Phony!
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – July 10, 2002 Golf Tournament Host Refuses To Allow Women <snip article I cant see what everyones getting steamed up about, thats the difference between men and women, if there was an exclusive women only club, most men wouldnt give a shit Why the hell do we need "mens only" and "women’s only" sports clubs anyway? There should be [enforced] rules in these clubs concerning sexual harassment that both women and men need to follow.
[...] Here you inadvertently point out one of the reasons for having a men’s only club. Some men want to relax without being lectured to about sexual harassment, and without the sexual harassment gestapo constantly monitoring their behavior. This is what the workplace is for. It’s this same type of man who would rather not have a telescreen in his living room.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – July 10, 2002 Golf Tournament Host Refuses To Allow Women Tough! What about that turd from NASA who wanted to use all-female flight crews on space voyages? You won’t let us on your spaceship. You can’t play in our golf club. And you can’t ride on our train cars.
WHAT train cars? Is there a railroad that is privately owned by all women that I don’t know about? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – K
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July 10, 2002 Golf Tournament Host Refuses To Allow Women Tough! What about that turd from NASA who wanted to use all-female flight crews on space voyages? You won’t let us on your spaceship. You can’t play in our golf club. And you can’t ride on our train cars.
Nice try, but: 1) The golf club is a private organisation. 2) There are women-only golf clubs. 3) No-one is arguing that women shouldn’t be allowed in the golf club because women are abusers. So the two situations aren’t comparable. — Always remember you’re unique. Just like everyone else. (Anon)
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – July 10, 2002 Golf Tournament Host Refuses To Allow Women <snip article I cant see what everyones getting steamed up about, thats the difference between men and women, if there was an exclusive women only club, most men wouldnt give a shit Why the hell do we need "mens only" and "women’s only" sports clubs anyway? There should be [enforced] rules in these clubs concerning sexual harassment that both women and men need to follow. [...] Here you inadvertently point out one of the reasons for having a men’s only club. Some men want to relax without being lectured to about sexual harassment, and without the sexual harassment gestapo constantly monitoring their behavior. This is what the workplace is for. It’s this same type of man who would rather not have a telescreen in his living room.
Actually, no reason is needed. It is the right of a free people to be able to associate with whom they please. Rich Soyack
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July 10, 2002 Golf Tournament Host Refuses To Allow Women Tough! What about that turd from NASA who wanted to use all-female flight crews on space voyages? You won’t let us on your spaceship. You can’t play in our golf club. And you can’t ride on our train cars.
But, if the trains are funded by the government they are everyone’s trains. Rich Soyack
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <snip Dont get me wrong, i dont think anyone should be excluded from any thing because of race or gender, but men dont jump out of their prams about it like women do. But i do think it does both men and women good to take part in things that dont involve the opposite sex. obo Exactly obo. We (the genders) need to do some things seperately. That’s why my current relationship is going so well. We both admit that we need space and we give it to each other. I agree, this is *the* recipe for successful relationships. I notice how Parge and Jive Turkey avoid threads like these.
Their loss.
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<snip Dont get me wrong, i dont think anyone should be excluded from any thing because of race or gender, but men dont jump out of their prams about it like women do. But i do think it does both men and women good to take part in things that dont involve the opposite sex. obo Exactly obo. We (the genders) need to do some things seperately. That’s why my current relationship is going so well. We both admit that we need space and we give it to each other. I agree, this is *the* recipe for successful relationships.
I notice how Parge and Jive Turkey avoid threads like these. 0
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July 10, 2002 Golf Tournament Host Refuses To Allow Women Tough! What about that turd from NASA who wanted to use all-female flight crews on space voyages? You won’t let us on your spaceship. You can’t play in our golf club.
And you can’t ride on our train cars. K
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There will always be women who hate to see men happy.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – July 10, 2002 Golf Tournament Host Refuses To Allow Women In an insolent statement to the Washington Post, the host of next year’s Master’s golf tournament refused a plea from the National Council of Women’s Organizations to open their exclusive Augusta, Georgia golf club to women. Hootie Johnson, chairman of Augusta National, lashed out at the NCWO after Martha Burk, chairwoman of the NCWO, sent him a letter that stated: "We know that Augusta National and the sponsors of the Masters do not want to be viewed as entities that tolerate discrimination against any group, including women." The Feminist Majority is a member of NCWO, along with 160 other groups – making the total membership close to 6 million. "Our membership alone decides our membership – not any outside group with its own agenda," Johnson said in the three-page statement. "The message delivered to us was clearly coercive.We will not be bullied, threatened or intimidated. We do not intend to become a trophy in their display case." Johnson originally responded to Burk’s letter in a three-sentence letter in which he refused further discussion on the matter – stating that Augusta membership matters are private. Johnson said in April that Augusta does not have exclusionary membership policies, although it did not have a black member until 1990 and has had no female members in its 70-year history, the Post reported. Burk said that the NCWO next plans to contact the sponsors of the Masters – Coca-Cola, IBM and Citigroup – to ask them not to do business with a club that has no female members, according to the Post. Media Resources: Washington Post 7/10/02 – "What we need is not the will to believe but the will to find out." - Bertrand Russell I cant see what everyones getting steamed up about, thats the difference between men and women, if there was an exclusive women only club, most men wouldnt give a shit And if most men did and tried to break their way into one, like feminists insist on doing, they probably would get nowhere. I mean isn’t the ratio, for example, between women’s schools and (evil, white) men schools pretty gaping in women’s favor? I’m with Dennis Miller…"There are certain bullshit male rituals that women should want to be a part of." And vice versa. Dont get me wrong, i dont think anyone should be excluded from any thing because of race or gender, but men dont jump out of their prams about it like women do. But i do think it does both men and women good to take part in things that dont involve the opposite sex. obo I love being around women but I also believe that a free people should be able to associate with whom ever they wish. If men want to have an all men golf club, fine. If women want to have a Woman’s Club, as they do in Red Bank, NJ and many other places, that’s also fine with me. Rich Soyack Good! Then you shouldn’t be upset about women’s only train cars, right? Just following your logic here.
Of course I’m not upset about women’s only train cars unless, of course, those trains are run by the government. You see I feel that people should be free to associate with whomever they choose but that the government should not favor one group over another. You do understand the difference between rights for the people and restrictions on government, don’t you? Rich Soyack
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – July 10, 2002 Golf Tournament Host Refuses To Allow Women In an insolent statement to the Washington Post, the host of next year’s Master’s golf tournament refused a plea from the National Council of Women’s Organizations to open their exclusive Augusta, Georgia golf club to women. Hootie Johnson, chairman of Augusta National, lashed out at the NCWO after Martha Burk, chairwoman of the NCWO, sent him a letter that stated: "We know that Augusta National and the sponsors of the Masters do not want to be viewed as entities that tolerate discrimination against any group, including women." The Feminist Majority is a member of NCWO, along with 160 other groups – making the total membership close to 6 million. "Our membership alone decides our membership – not any outside group with its own agenda," Johnson said in the three-page statement. "The message delivered to us was clearly coercive.We will not be bullied, threatened or intimidated. We do not intend to become a trophy in their display case." Johnson originally responded to Burk’s letter in a three-sentence letter in which he refused further discussion on the matter – stating that Augusta membership matters are private. Johnson said in April that Augusta does not have exclusionary membership policies, although it did not have a black member until 1990 and has had no female members in its 70-year history, the Post reported. Burk said that the NCWO next plans to contact the sponsors of the Masters – Coca-Cola, IBM and Citigroup – to ask them not to do business with a club that has no female members, according to the Post. Media Resources: Washington Post 7/10/02 – "What we need is not the will to believe but the will to find out." - Bertrand Russell I cant see what everyones getting steamed up about, thats the difference between men and women, if there was an exclusive women only club, most men wouldnt give a shit And if most men did and tried to break their way into one, like feminists insist on doing, they probably would get nowhere. I mean isn’t the ratio, for example, between women’s schools and (evil, white) men schools pretty gaping in women’s favor? I’m with Dennis Miller…"There are certain bullshit male rituals that women should want to be a part of." And vice versa. Dont get me wrong, i dont think anyone should be excluded from any thing because of race or gender, but men dont jump out of their prams about it like women do. But i do think it does both men and women good to take part in things that dont involve the opposite sex. obo I love being around women but I also believe that a free people should be able to associate with whom ever they wish. If men want to have an all men golf club, fine. If women want to have a Woman’s Club, as they do in Red Bank, NJ and many other places, that’s also fine with me.
Yes Rich. As obo pointed out, you don’t see men going to extremes to break up female only institutions. As you imply…Fair is fair. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Rich Soyack
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I cant see what everyones getting steamed up about, thats the difference between men and women, if there was an exclusive women only club, most men wouldnt give a shit And if most men did and tried to break their way into one, like feminists insist on doing, they probably would get nowhere. I mean isn’t the ratio, for example, between women’s schools and (evil, white) men schools pretty gaping in women’s favor? I’m with Dennis Miller…"There are certain bullshit male rituals that women should want to be a part of." And vice versa. Dont get me wrong, i dont think anyone should be excluded from any thing because of race or gender, but men dont jump out of their prams about it like women do. But i do think it does both men and women good to take part in things that dont involve the opposite sex. obo Exactly obo. We (the genders) need to do some things seperately. That’s why my current relationship is going so well. We both admit that we need space and we give it to each other.
I agree, this is *the* recipe for successful relationships.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – July 10, 2002 Golf Tournament Host Refuses To Allow Women In an insolent statement to the Washington Post, the host of next year’s Master’s golf tournament refused a plea from the National Council of Women’s Organizations to open their exclusive Augusta, Georgia golf club to women. Hootie Johnson, chairman of Augusta National, lashed out at the NCWO after Martha Burk, chairwoman of the NCWO, sent him a letter that stated: "We know that Augusta National and the sponsors of the Masters do not want to be viewed as entities that tolerate discrimination against any group, including women." The Feminist Majority is a member of NCWO, along with 160 other groups – making the total membership close to 6 million. "Our membership alone decides our membership – not any outside group with its own agenda," Johnson said in the three-page statement. "The message delivered to us was clearly coercive.We will not be bullied, threatened or intimidated. We do not intend to become a trophy in their display case." Johnson originally responded to Burk’s letter in a three-sentence letter in which he refused further discussion on the matter – stating that Augusta membership matters are private. Johnson said in April that Augusta does not have exclusionary membership policies, although it did not have a black member until 1990 and has had no female members in its 70-year history, the Post reported. Burk said that the NCWO next plans to contact the sponsors of the Masters – Coca-Cola, IBM and Citigroup – to ask them not to do business with a club that has no female members, according to the Post. Media Resources: Washington Post 7/10/02 – "What we need is not the will to believe but the will to find out." - Bertrand Russell I cant see what everyones getting steamed up about, thats the difference between men and women, if there was an exclusive women only club, most men wouldnt give a shit And if most men did and tried to break their way into one, like feminists insist on doing, they probably would get nowhere. I mean isn’t the ratio, for example, between women’s schools and (evil, white) men schools pretty gaping in women’s favor? I’m with Dennis Miller…"There are certain bullshit male rituals that women should want to be a part of." And vice versa. Dont get me wrong, i dont think anyone should be excluded from any thing because of race or gender, but men dont jump out of their prams about it like women do. But i do think it does both men and women good to take part in things that dont involve the opposite sex. obo I love being around women but I also believe that a free people should be able to associate with whom ever they wish. If men want to have an all men golf club, fine. If women want to have a Woman’s Club, as they do in Red Bank, NJ and many other places, that’s also fine with me. Rich Soyack
Good! Then you shouldn’t be upset about women’s only train cars, right? Just following your logic here. K
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July 10, 2002 Golf Tournament Host Refuses To Allow Women
Tough! What about that turd from NASA who wanted to use all-female flight crews on space voyages? You won’t let us on your spaceship. You can’t play in our golf club.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – July 10, 2002 Golf Tournament Host Refuses To Allow Women In an insolent statement to the Washington Post, the host of next year’s Master’s golf tournament refused a plea from the National Council of Women’s Organizations to open their exclusive Augusta, Georgia golf club to women. Hootie Johnson, chairman of Augusta National, lashed out at the NCWO after Martha Burk, chairwoman of the NCWO, sent him a letter that stated: "We know that Augusta National and the sponsors of the Masters do not want to be viewed as entities that tolerate discrimination against any group, including women." The Feminist Majority is a member of NCWO, along with 160 other groups – making the total membership close to 6 million. "Our membership alone decides our membership – not any outside group with its own agenda," Johnson said in the three-page statement. "The message delivered to us was clearly coercive.We will not be bullied, threatened or intimidated. We do not intend to become a trophy in their display case." Johnson originally responded to Burk’s letter in a three-sentence letter in which he refused further discussion on the matter – stating that Augusta membership matters are private. Johnson said in April that Augusta does not have exclusionary membership policies, although it did not have a black member until 1990 and has had no female members in its 70-year history, the Post reported. Burk said that the NCWO next plans to contact the sponsors of the Masters – Coca-Cola, IBM and Citigroup – to ask them not to do business with a club that has no female members, according to the Post. Media Resources: Washington Post 7/10/02 – "What we need is not the will to believe but the will to find out." - Bertrand Russell I cant see what everyones getting steamed up about, thats the difference between men and women, if there was an exclusive women only club, most men wouldnt give a shit And if most men did and tried to break their way into one, like feminists insist on doing, they probably would get nowhere. I mean isn’t the ratio, for example, between women’s schools and (evil, white) men schools pretty gaping in women’s favor? I’m with Dennis Miller…"There are certain bullshit male rituals that women should want to be a part of." And vice versa. Dont get me wrong, i dont think anyone should be excluded from any thing because of race or gender, but men dont jump out of their prams about it like women do. But i do think it does both men and women good to take part in things that dont involve the opposite sex. obo
Exactly obo. We (the genders) need to do some things seperately. That’s why my current relationship is going so well. We both admit that we need space and we give it to each other.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – July 10, 2002 Golf Tournament Host Refuses To Allow Women In an insolent statement to the Washington Post, the host of next year’s Master’s golf tournament refused a plea from the National Council of Women’s Organizations to open their exclusive Augusta, Georgia golf club to women. Hootie Johnson, chairman of Augusta National, lashed out at the NCWO after Martha Burk, chairwoman of the NCWO, sent him a letter that stated: "We know that Augusta National and the sponsors of the Masters do not want to be viewed as entities that tolerate discrimination against any group, including women." The Feminist Majority is a member of NCWO, along with 160 other groups – making the total membership close to 6 million. "Our membership alone decides our membership – not any outside group with its own agenda," Johnson said in the three-page statement. "The message delivered to us was clearly coercive.We will not be bullied, threatened or intimidated. We do not intend to become a trophy in their display case." Johnson originally responded to Burk’s letter in a three-sentence letter in which he refused further discussion on the matter – stating that Augusta membership matters are private. Johnson said in April that Augusta does not have exclusionary membership policies, although it did not have a black member until 1990 and has had no female members in its 70-year history, the Post reported. Burk said that the NCWO next plans to contact the sponsors of the Masters – Coca-Cola, IBM and Citigroup – to ask them not to do business with a club that has no female members, according to the Post. Media Resources: Washington Post 7/10/02 – "What we need is not the will to believe but the will to find out." - Bertrand Russell I cant see what everyones getting steamed up about, thats the difference between men and women, if there was an exclusive women only club, most men wouldnt give a shit And if most men did and tried to break their way into one, like feminists insist on doing, they probably would get nowhere. I mean isn’t the ratio, for example, between women’s schools and (evil, white) men schools pretty gaping in women’s favor? I’m with Dennis Miller…"There are certain bullshit male rituals that women should want to be a part of." And vice versa. Dont get me wrong, i dont think anyone should be excluded from any thing because of race or gender, but men dont jump out of their prams about it like women do. But i do think it does both men and women good to take part in things that dont involve the opposite sex. obo
I love being around women but I also believe that a free people should be able to associate with whom ever they wish. If men want to have an all men golf club, fine. If women want to have a Woman’s Club, as they do in Red Bank, NJ and many other places, that’s also fine with me. Rich Soyack
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – July 10, 2002 Golf Tournament Host Refuses To Allow Women In an insolent statement to the Washington Post, the host of next year’s Master’s golf tournament refused a plea from the National Council of Women’s Organizations to open their exclusive Augusta, Georgia golf club to women. Hootie Johnson, chairman of Augusta National, lashed out at the NCWO after Martha Burk, chairwoman of the NCWO, sent him a letter that stated: "We know that Augusta National and the sponsors of the Masters do not want to be viewed as entities that tolerate discrimination against any group, including women." The Feminist Majority is a member of NCWO, along with 160 other groups – making the total membership close to 6 million. "Our membership alone decides our membership – not any outside group with its own agenda," Johnson said in the three-page statement. "The message delivered to us was clearly coercive.We will not be bullied, threatened or intimidated. We do not intend to become a trophy in their display case." Johnson originally responded to Burk’s letter in a three-sentence letter in which he refused further discussion on the matter – stating that Augusta membership matters are private. Johnson said in April that Augusta does not have exclusionary membership policies, although it did not have a black member until 1990 and has had no female members in its 70-year history, the Post reported. Burk said that the NCWO next plans to contact the sponsors of the Masters – Coca-Cola, IBM and Citigroup – to ask them not to do business with a club that has no female members, according to the Post. Media Resources: Washington Post 7/10/02 – "What we need is not the will to believe but the will to find out." - Bertrand Russell I cant see what everyones getting steamed up about, thats the difference between men and women, if there was an exclusive women only club, most men wouldnt give a shit And if most men did and tried to break their way into one, like feminists insist on doing, they probably would get nowhere. I mean isn’t the ratio, for example, between women’s schools and (evil, white) men schools pretty gaping in women’s favor? I’m with Dennis Miller…"There are certain bullshit male rituals that women should want to be a part of." And vice versa.
Dont get me wrong, i dont think anyone should be excluded from any thing because of race or gender, but men dont jump out of their prams about it like women do. But i do think it does both men and women good to take part in things that dont involve the opposite sex. obo
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – July 10, 2002 Golf Tournament Host Refuses To Allow Women In an insolent statement to the Washington Post, the host of next year’s Master’s golf tournament refused a plea from the National Council of Women’s Organizations to open their exclusive Augusta, Georgia golf club to women. Hootie Johnson, chairman of Augusta National, lashed out at the NCWO after Martha Burk, chairwoman of the NCWO, sent him a letter that stated: "We know that Augusta National and the sponsors of the Masters do not want to be viewed as entities that tolerate discrimination against any group, including women." The Feminist Majority is a member of NCWO, along with 160 other groups