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I agree with that, my son is a pro as well. But that isn’t making a living playing golf. that is making a living in the golf industry. If you can live off your playing earnings, I don’t think you can complain much. At the worst, you deal with your own self induced worries about your game while you are playing the best courses in the world. Most of us are doing that on less desirable courses, and paying for the privilege, (happily).
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Tough way to make a living?, c’mon – be serious, you’re playing golf all the time. Sounds OK to me, definitely an upgrade from my viewpoint! You’re only looking at the top players in the world. There are thousands who are club pros, and play smaller tours which just scrape by. I’ve got a couple of family members who are pros. I wouldn’t be an assistant or head pro of a club if I had the qualifications. They work all weekends, holidays, all day long, and make shit for money. You have to supplement your income by giving lessons.
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Tough way to make a living?, c’mon – be serious, you’re playing golf all the time. Sounds OK to me, definitely an upgrade from my viewpoint!
You’re only looking at the top players in the world. There are thousands who are club pros, and play smaller tours which just scrape by. I’ve got a couple of family members who are pros. I wouldn’t be an assistant or head pro of a club if I had the qualifications. They work all weekends, holidays, all day long, and make shit for money. You have to supplement your income by giving lessons.
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15 wins, 1365 losses
They only "lose" when their earnings are exceeded by their non-elective expenses. These guys haven’t lost since they got their first shot at the pros. –Blair "My best day < their worst day."
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Tough way to make a living?, c’mon – be serious, you’re playing golf all the time. Sounds OK to me, definitely an upgrade from my viewpoint!
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 15 wins, 1365 losses That is the combined PGA tour record of Peter Jacobsen and Jay Haas over their careers. This stat came up today at the GHO where they share the lead. And they are famous and very successful with a winning percentage just over 1%. Its a tough way to earn a living. Yes, but let’s not forget, it’s not winner take all. If you are keeping your card on the PGA tour, you’re making a nice living.
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What the hell is a loss? Does not taking 1st count as a loss? A bit simplistic don’t you think? No, you either win or you don’t. Winning or losing is a binary variable. Because of the nature of the beast, though, golf provides a comfortable living to those to lose the tournament but come close.
Not binary, because you get money for losing (See 150th place on the money list, surely didn’t win, can’t call him a loser either can you?) KT
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What the hell is a loss? Does not taking 1st count as a loss? A bit simplistic don’t you think? No, you either win or you don’t. Winning or losing is a binary variable.
True, but unlike the result of a match-play round or team sports match, a golf-"win" is not the equal and opposite qunatity of a golf-"loss" . In a golf tournament, there are hundereds of "losses" created for every one "win". If you want to compare a player’s percentage of tournaments won to something approximating a .500-centered won-lost record, divide the number of tournaments-not-won by (the average-number-of players-involved-in-tournaments-not-won minus 1). – Andrew
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What the hell is a loss? Does not taking 1st count as a loss? A bit simplistic don’t you think? No, you either win or you don’t. Winning or losing is a binary variable. True, but unlike the result of a match-play round or team sports match, a golf-"win" is not the equal and opposite qunatity of a golf-"loss" . In a golf tournament, there are hundereds of "losses" created for every one "win". If you want to compare a player’s percentage of tournaments won to something approximating a .500-centered won-lost record, divide the number of tournaments-not-won by (the average-number-of players-involved-in-tournaments-not-won minus 1).
Or do what the Sagarin Rankings do: treat each tournament as a bunch on one-on-one competitions between everyone involved. If you finish higher than another player in the tournament, then you defeated him; if he finished higher, he defeated you. If there are 150 players in the field, then each player comes away with 149 one-on-one results. Doug — ___, Doug Massey, ASIC Digital Logic Designer o IBM Microelectronics Division, Burlington, Vermont | | Phone: (802)769-7095 t/l: 446-7095 fax: x6752 | / | . My homepage: http://doug.obscurestuff.com (|)
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What the hell is a loss? Does not taking 1st count as a loss? A bit simplistic don’t you think?
No, you either win or you don’t. Winning or losing is a binary variable. Because of the nature of the beast, though, golf provides a comfortable living to those to lose the tournament but come close.
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15 wins, 1365 losses That is the combined PGA tour record of Peter Jacobsen and Jay Haas over their careers. This stat came up today at the GHO where they share the lead. And they are famous and very successful with a winning percentage just over 1%. Its a tough way to earn a living.
That would be true if only the first-place finisher were awarded prize money. Doug — ___, Doug Massey, ASIC Digital Logic Designer o IBM Microelectronics Division, Burlington, Vermont | | Phone: (802)769-7095 t/l: 446-7095 fax: x6752 | / | . My homepage: http://doug.obscurestuff.com (|)
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15 wins, 1365 losses That is the combined PGA tour record of Peter Jacobsen and Jay Haas over their careers. This stat came up today at the GHO where they share the lead. And they are famous and very successful with a winning percentage just over 1%. Its a tough way to earn a living.
Yes, but let’s not forget, it’s not winner take all. If you are keeping your card on the PGA tour, you’re making a nice living.
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What the hell is a loss? Does not taking 1st count as a loss? A bit simplistic don’t you think? These guys aren’t in the habit of playing in match play format are they? — bill-o
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15 wins, 1365 losses That is the combined PGA tour record of Peter Jacobsen and Jay Haas over their careers. This stat came up today at the GHO where they share the lead. And they are famous and very successful with a winning percentage just over 1%. Its a tough way to earn a living.