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To begin, I am a single digit golfer. Noise has never bothered my concentration in any sport. golf, tennis, and polo are the sports that until the fifties, were limited to the idle, and supposedly gentile upper crust. All other sports encourage screaming, cheering, and partinship. Tennis has finally dropped the ladylike applause for a good play, or a win and allowed the common man to vent his or her emotions. I can’t understand why golf has technichally moved into the modern day, and still feels that people have to walk on eggs while someone who hits a thousand balls a day, usually holding a conversation with a room temperatue I.Q. ex golfer who asks questions that a six year old cold answer, needs absolute quiet when he or she is on the course. I guess they have never played a course that is bordered by a freeway or an airport. It’s time to realize, that if they want the big bucks, they have to put up with the peons that make it possible.
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I can’t understand why golf has technichally moved into the modern day, and still feels that people have to walk on eggs while someone who hits a thousand balls a day, usually holding a conversation with a room temperatue I.Q. ex golfer who asks questions that a six year old cold answer, needs absolute quiet when he or she is on the course.
You’re just plain making this up and you know it. Tell you what. Here’s a little thought experiment. A few of us will follow you around and make a few, ahem, noises as you make your shots. We’ll even put a little money on it. We’ll see if you’re still a "single digit golfer" after a few rounds. I guarantee you it’ll be the most unpleasant golfing experience of your life. -joseph
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What this really demonstrates is the utter stupidity and insidious impact on the game of the WGC events. They really should not exist — and certainly they should not count as official money. They really screw up the money list — and will destroy the importance of most all PGA tour events. We already have a World Golf Tour — its the majors.
I hope that the quality of the play in the American Express Championship has convinced you otherwise. I don’t know about you, but I’d like to see the best players in the world get together more than 4 times a years. -joseph
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What this really demonstrates is the utter stupidity and insidious impact on the game of the WGC events. They really should not exist — and certainly they should not count as official money.
I agree. But my ideal model for the official money list has long ago been lost in TV and commercial manipulations…. namely that only events with a level playing field, ie open to the full Tour, should qualify for the official money list. I think it is crazy the way it works now, which effectively means that the more you win, the more you win. Sure, let them play in funny-money ‘elite’ events if that’s what everyone wants – but don’t let these limited field events cloud the official money list. Stan — Stan The Man +++Naked Under This Macintosh+++ If replying, DELETE X
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Sorry … but what is the struggle? Non PGA Tour players can obtain their tour cards for next year this way. Sergio Garcia, John Van de Velde, & Paul Lawrie all have talked about being American PGA Tour players next year — since they have all won their 2000 card by finishing in the top-125 this year. If Tiger wants to be a European tour player next year — he can due to his Euro tour winnings. He would just have to play a minimum number of events. What this really demonstrates is the utter stupidity and insidious impact on the game of the WGC events. They really should not exist — and certainly they should not count as official money. They really screw up the money list — and will destroy the importance of most all PGA tour events. We already have a World Golf Tour — its the majors.
The Majors are not really a World Golf Tour aren’t they. How many Euro’s can compete in the Masters, PGA. While the qualification for "the Open" is more open than others. Getting a playing field on basis of a Worldwide list, disregard the fact how crummy the list is made up, is better than being able to invite people on what ever basis they make up. YJ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Greed will hurt this game ….. Monty; 20 Official Euro Tour events. $US2.2 million. Tiger; 7 Official Euro Tour events. $US2.4 million. 1 more event left. Tiger wins, and he could be over $US1 million ahead of the Order of Merit winner in official earnings! Yeah, I thought this was pretty funny when I realized it. Imagine being Monty and being confronted by the possibility of "winning" the Order of Merit while in fact being #2 on the money list behind a guy who isn’t even on the tour! Now I bet that’s something that has never happened before. It couldn’t have happened without the WGC, though. I need to get my head round this. Could someone please explain what would happen in a hypothetical reverse-case scenario where, say, a British golfer wins all 3 WGC events but is not a member of the US Tour. Do his winnings qualify him to be included on the US money list? Let’s take it a ridiculous step further and the same guy wins all four majors too. Now he’s #1 in the US (and European) money list and also #1 in the World rankings, all without being a member of the US Tour. All of this is possible, right? I’m struggling, as you can see… Stan — Stan The Man +++Naked Under This Macintosh+++ If replying, DELETE X
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So exclude the Euros, if they don’t want to compete openly and fairly with the best in the world. Rob – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What this really demonstrates is the utter stupidity and insidious impact on the game of the WGC events. They really should not exist — and certainly they should not count as official money. They really screw up the money list — and will destroy the importance of most all PGA tour events. We already have a World Golf Tour — its the majors. I hope that the quality of the play in the American Express Championship has convinced you otherwise. I don’t know about you, but I’d like to see the best players in the world get together more than 4 times a years. -joseph
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Monty; 20 Official Euro Tour events. $US2.2 million. Tiger; 7 Official Euro Tour events. $US2.4 million. 1 more event left. Tiger wins, and he could be over $US1 million ahead of the Order of Merit winner in official earnings! Rob
This is a prime example of how stupid it is to try and gauge a players greatness on the basis of ‘how much money he’s won’. — Phil Nixon
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Monty; 20 Official Euro Tour events. $US2.2 million. Tiger; 7 Official Euro Tour events. $US2.4 million. 1 more event left. Tiger wins, and he could be over $US1 million ahead of the Order of Merit winner in official earnings!
Yeah, I thought this was pretty funny when I realized it. Imagine being Monty and being confronted by the possibility of "winning" the Order of Merit while in fact being #2 on the money list behind a guy who isn’t even on the tour! Now I bet that’s something that has never happened before. It couldn’t have happened without the WGC, though. -joseph
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Monty; 20 Official Euro Tour events. $US2.2 million. Tiger; 7 Official Euro Tour events. $US2.4 million. 1 more event left. Tiger wins, and he could be over $US1 million ahead of the Order of Merit winner in official earnings! Yeah, I thought this was pretty funny when I realized it. Imagine being Monty and being confronted by the possibility of "winning" the Order of Merit while in fact being #2 on the money list behind a guy who isn’t even on the tour! Now I bet that’s something that has never happened before. It couldn’t have happened without the WGC, though.
I need to get my head round this. Could someone please explain what would happen in a hypothetical reverse-case scenario where, say, a British golfer wins all 3 WGC events but is not a member of the US Tour. Do his winnings qualify him to be included on the US money list? Let’s take it a ridiculous step further and the same guy wins all four majors too. Now he’s #1 in the US (and European) money list and also #1 in the World rankings, all without being a member of the US Tour. All of this is possible, right? I’m struggling, as you can see… Stan — Stan The Man +++Naked Under This Macintosh+++ If replying, DELETE X
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Monty; 20 Official Euro Tour events. $US2.2 million. Tiger; 7 Official Euro Tour events. $US2.4 million. 1 more event left. Tiger wins, and he could be over $US1 million ahead of the Order of Merit winner in official earnings! Yeah, I thought this was pretty funny when I realized it. Imagine being Monty and being confronted by the possibility of "winning" the Order of Merit while in fact being #2 on the money list behind a guy who isn’t even on the tour! Now I bet that’s something that has never happened before. It couldn’t have happened without the WGC, though. I need to get my head round this. Could someone please explain what would happen in a hypothetical reverse-case scenario where, say, a British golfer wins all 3 WGC events but is not a member of the US Tour. Do his winnings qualify him to be included on the US money list? Let’s take it a ridiculous step further and the same guy wins all four majors too. Now he’s #1 in the US (and European) money list and also #1 in the World rankings, all without being a member of the US Tour. All of this is possible, right? I’m struggling, as you can see…
It’s possible. You can play in a lot of US Tour events without being on the tour, and if you won most of them, you could win the money title. Rob
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Sorry … but what is the struggle? Non PGA Tour players can obtain their tour cards for next year this way. Sergio Garcia, John Van de Velde, & Paul Lawrie all have talked about being American PGA Tour players next year — since they have all won their 2000 card by finishing in the top-125 this year. If Tiger wants to be a European tour player next year — he can due to his Euro tour winnings. He would just have to play a minimum number of events. What this really demonstrates is the utter stupidity and insidious impact on the game of the WGC events. They really should not exist — and certainly they should not count as official money. They really screw up the money list — and will destroy the importance of most all PGA tour events. We already have a World Golf Tour — its the majors. Greed will hurt this game ….. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Monty; 20 Official Euro Tour events. $US2.2 million. Tiger; 7 Official Euro Tour events. $US2.4 million. 1 more event left. Tiger wins, and he could be over $US1 million ahead of the Order of Merit winner in official earnings! Yeah, I thought this was pretty funny when I realized it. Imagine being Monty and being confronted by the possibility of "winning" the Order of Merit while in fact being #2 on the money list behind a guy who isn’t even on the tour! Now I bet that’s something that has never happened before. It couldn’t have happened without the WGC, though. I need to get my head round this. Could someone please explain what would happen in a hypothetical reverse-case scenario where, say, a British golfer wins all 3 WGC events but is not a member of the US Tour. Do his winnings qualify him to be included on the US money list? Let’s take it a ridiculous step further and the same guy wins all four majors too. Now he’s #1 in the US (and European) money list and also #1 in the World rankings, all without being a member of the US Tour. All of this is possible, right? I’m struggling, as you can see… Stan — Stan The Man +++Naked Under This Macintosh+++ If replying, DELETE X
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Of course, Monty, the probable Order of Merit winner IS NOT the leading money winner on the Euro Tour, Tiger Woods is! And given how Woods has played this year, he has a pretty good chance of finishing higher than any Euro at Valderama, and thus being the leading money winner on the Euro Tour…but not the order of merit winner. Will he whine? Will he even care? I doubt either.
You’ve lost me there. Stan — Stan The Man +++Naked Under This Macintosh+++ If replying, DELETE X
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Monty; 20 Official Euro Tour events. $US2.2 million. Tiger; 7 Official Euro Tour events. $US2.4 million. 1 more event left. Tiger wins, and he could be over $US1 million ahead of the Order of Merit winner in official earnings! Rob – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Of course, Monty, the probable Order of Merit winner IS NOT the leading money winner on the Euro Tour, Tiger Woods is! And given how Woods has played this year, he has a pretty good chance of finishing higher than any Euro at Valderama, and thus being the leading money winner on the Euro Tour…but not the order of merit winner. Will he whine? Will he even care? I doubt either. You’ve lost me there. Stan — Stan The Man +++Naked Under This Macintosh+++ If replying, DELETE X
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I watched the Euro Tour Weekly report on the Golf Channel today, and guess what? A piece that was another whine about the Ryder Cup! GET OVER IT! Of course, Monty, the probable Order of Merit winner IS NOT the leading money winner on the Euro Tour, Tiger Woods is! And given how Woods has played this year, he has a pretty good chance of finishing higher than any Euro at Valderama, and thus being the leading money winner on the Euro Tour…but not the order of merit winner. Will he whine? Will he even care? I doubt either. Rob