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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I remember the commentators clucking disapproval at Trevino’s swing in the beginning. Then Hogan expressed his admiration for it and they all shut up. Of course 6 majors and the US, British, and Canadian Open all in one year (not to mention the cover of Time Magazine) has a way of shutting up your detractors. That was 60s to 80s. I would say you don’t win 6 majors without an excellent swing. Of course you don’t. The point is Trevino had an excellent swing – although way outside of the consensus. Trevino was one of the most accurate drivers the game has seen. You don’t achieve that without an excellent swing. Young players today are highly coached and nobody teaches a Trevino swing. Westwood has his own swing that so far has not brought him a major. No once teaches a Nicklaus, Palmer, Player, Trevino, or Watson swing. Let’s add up the majors. -W.
Wade, the last major won by one of these esteemed gentlemen was, correct me if I am wrong, Nicklaus in the 1986 Masters. That was, hard as it seems to believe, 16 years ago. All today’s major winners are heavily coached. Jack also sort of pioneered in the golf guru business in that he had Jack Grout. You are living in the past. B. J. Wilkinson
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I remember the commentators clucking disapproval at Trevino’s swing in the beginning. Then Hogan expressed his admiration for it and they all shut up. Of course 6 majors and the US, British, and Canadian Open all in one year (not to mention the cover of Time Magazine) has a way of shutting up your detractors. That was 60s to 80s. I would say you don’t win 6 majors without an excellent swing.
Of course you don’t. The point is Trevino had an excellent swing – although way outside of the consensus. Trevino was one of the most accurate drivers the game has seen. You don’t achieve that without an excellent swing. Young players today are highly coached and nobody teaches a Trevino swing. Westwood has his own swing that so far has not brought him a major.
No once teaches a Nicklaus, Palmer, Player, Trevino, or Watson swing. Let’s add up the majors. -W.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hopefully he’ll just go back to his natural way and carry on winning. That natural way is far from today’s "consensus" swing. Which would be what, exactly? Look at SLAP. I would say the consensus swing is something like Woods, Faldo, Nick Price, Ernie Els, Retief Goosen, Adam Scott, Charles Howell. I remember the commentators clucking disapproval at Trevino’s swing in the beginning. Then Hogan expressed his admiration for it and they all shut up. Of course 6 majors and the US, British, and Canadian Open all in one year (not to mention the cover of Time Magazine) has a way of shutting up your detractors. That was 60s to 80s. I would say you don’t win 6 majors without an excellent swing. Young players today are highly coached and nobody teaches a Trevino swing. Westwood has his own swing that so far has not brought him a major. But there are also many young highly coached players with their "consensus" swings who also have not won a major. Winning a major isn’t about having a consensus swing its about having a very, very good all round game and the balls and wit to use it, oh and a little bit of luck. Crispin Roche
The main reason Faldo rebuilt his swing 1984-1986 with David Leadbetter was to impove it so it would still work under the pressure of the last 9 holes in a major. Even Tiger rebuilt his after winning the Masters. Having a good swing probably helps to win majors. B. J. Wilkinson
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hopefully he’ll just go back to his natural way and carry on winning. That natural way is far from today’s "consensus" swing. Which would be what, exactly? Look at SLAP. I would say the consensus swing is something like Woods, Faldo, Nick Price, Ernie Els, Retief Goosen, Adam Scott, Charles Howell. I remember the commentators clucking disapproval at Trevino’s swing in the beginning. Then Hogan expressed his admiration for it and they all shut up. Of course 6 majors and the US, British, and Canadian Open all in one year (not to mention the cover of Time Magazine) has a way of shutting up your detractors. That was 60s to 80s. I would say you don’t win 6 majors without an excellent swing. Young players today are highly coached and nobody teaches a Trevino swing. Westwood has his own swing that so far has not brought him a major.
But there are also many young highly coached players with their "consensus" swings who also have not won a major. Winning a major isn’t about having a consensus swing its about having a very, very good all round game and the balls and wit to use it, oh and a little bit of luck. Crispin Roche
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Hopefully he’ll just go back to his natural way and carry on winning. That natural way is far from today’s "consensus" swing. Which would be what, exactly?
Look at SLAP. I would say the consensus swing is something like Woods, Faldo, Nick Price, Ernie Els, Retief Goosen, Adam Scott, Charles Howell. I remember the commentators clucking disapproval at Trevino’s swing in the beginning. Then Hogan expressed his admiration for it and they all shut up. Of course 6 majors and the US, British, and Canadian Open all in one year (not to mention the cover of Time Magazine) has a way of shutting up your detractors.
That was 60s to 80s. I would say you don’t win 6 majors without an excellent swing. Young players today are highly coached and nobody teaches a Trevino swing. Westwood has his own swing that so far has not brought him a major. B. J. Wilkinson
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Hopefully he’ll just go back to his natural way and carry on winning. That natural way is far from today’s "consensus" swing.
Which would be what, exactly? I remember the commentators clucking disapproval at Trevino’s swing in the beginning. Then Hogan expressed his admiration for it and they all shut up. Of course 6 majors and the US, British, and Canadian Open all in one year (not to mention the cover of Time Magazine) has a way of shutting up your detractors.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I wonder what Westwood’s better than expected, though not entirely positive for him, showing in the Ryder Cup will mean for him. Will it pull him out of his slump? West wood has a non-classical swing. His left knee moves considerably further towards his right than many pros, his swing seems upper body dominated, and he dips his head at impact. The sad thing is that there just seems like too much to do to make it like those of top class players. Right…so 24 worldwide wins in the space of a few seasons isn’t top class enough for you? I think he was not quite making it to the top class – he rarely contended in the Majors – Faldo, Couples, Norman, Langer, Woosnam, Mickelson, Stewart, Els etc contended regulary. #4 in the world isn’t top class? Fair enough… That is a quantitative judgement – qualitatively I don’t think he made it to the same class as those names above. By the way, this is not an anti-Euro comment – I was born not a million mioles from Worksop, and have played Lindrick. l Lee’s problems have been a combination of wanting to change his swing too much, taking his eye off the ball (metaphorically) and a spiral of low confidence. Hopefully he’ll just go back to his natural way and carry on winning. That natural way is far from today’s "consensus" swing. That every other player on the teams had this week? Have you seen Sutton and Clarke’s workmen swipes, Furyk’s ‘octopuss in phone box’, Azinger’s slashy punch thing, Hoch and Calc’s lashes, Monty’s reverse C throwback, Langer and Fasth’s ‘oops where the hell is my follow through going?’, Fulke and Verplank’s ladyboy taps, Sergio’s whipcrack?? It would be interesting to look at top 10 finishes in majors and see how these swings stack up.
Zinger, Calc, Langer, Sutton have decent records in the Majors. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Why single out Westwood’s swing. I don’t know who you’re judging him against! Tiger? A golf technique book you read? Your own technically perfect golf swing? Have you been spying on me out on the golf course? B. J. Wilkinson
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Why single out Westwood’s swing. I don’t know who you’re judging him against! Tiger? A golf technique book you read? Your own technically perfect golf swing?
Bingo. Even as a eurotrash fan (hehe), I grimace at Darren Clarke’s swing. I wouldn’t grimace at his bank balance and collection of Ferraris though. btw, The Ryder Cup was just fekkin great. And the USA would get bored winning it all the time. Losing can be worthwhile sometimes (arghhh – I hear dudester rumbling this way) cheers Glenn
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I wonder what Westwood’s better than expected, though not entirely positive for him, showing in the Ryder Cup will mean for him. Will it pull him out of his slump? West wood has a non-classical swing. His left knee moves considerably further towards his right than many pros, his swing seems upper body dominated, and he dips his head at impact. The sad thing is that there just seems like too much to do to make it like those of top class players. Right…so 24 worldwide wins in the space of a few seasons isn’t top class enough for you? I think he was not quite making it to the top class – he rarely contended in the Majors – Faldo, Couples, Norman, Langer, Woosnam, Mickelson, Stewart, Els etc contended regulary. #4 in the world isn’t top class? Fair enough…
That is a quantitative judgement – qualitatively I don’t think he made it to the same class as those names above. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – By the way, this is not an anti-Euro comment – I was born not a million mioles from Worksop, and have played Lindrick. l Lee’s problems have been a combination of wanting to change his swing too much, taking his eye off the ball (metaphorically) and a spiral of low confidence. Hopefully he’ll just go back to his natural way and carry on winning. That natural way is far from today’s "consensus" swing. That every other player on the teams had this week? Have you seen Sutton and Clarke’s workmen swipes, Furyk’s ‘octopuss in phone box’, Azinger’s slashy punch thing, Hoch and Calc’s lashes, Monty’s reverse C throwback, Langer and Fasth’s ‘oops where the hell is my follow through going?’, Fulke and Verplank’s ladyboy taps, Sergio’s whipcrack??
It would be interesting to look at top 10 finishes in majors and see how these swings stack up. Why single out Westwood’s swing. I don’t know who you’re judging him against! Tiger? A golf technique book you read? Your own technically perfect golf swing?
Have you been spying on me out on the golf course? B. J. Wilkinson – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I wonder what Westwood’s better than expected, though not entirely positive for him, showing in the Ryder Cup will mean for him. Will it pull him out of his slump? West wood has a non-classical swing. His left knee moves considerably further towards his right than many pros, his swing seems upper body dominated, and he dips his head at impact. The sad thing is that there just seems like too much to do to make it like those of top class players. Right…so 24 worldwide wins in the space of a few seasons isn’t top class enough for you? I think he was not quite making it to the top class – he rarely contended in the Majors – Faldo, Couples, Norman, Langer, Woosnam, Mickelson, Stewart, Els etc contended regulary.
#4 in the world isn’t top class? Fair enough… By the way, this is not an anti-Euro comment – I was born not a million mioles from Worksop, and have played Lindrick. l Lee’s problems have been a combination of wanting to change his swing too much, taking his eye off the ball (metaphorically) and a spiral of low confidence. Hopefully he’ll just go back to his natural way and carry on winning. That natural way is far from today’s "consensus" swing.
That every other player on the teams had this week? Have you seen Sutton and Clarke’s workmen swipes, Furyk’s ‘octopuss in phone box’, Azinger’s slashy punch thing, Hoch and Calc’s lashes, Monty’s reverse C throwback, Langer and Fasth’s ‘oops where the hell is my follow through going?’, Fulke and Verplank’s ladyboy taps, Sergio’s whipcrack?? Why single out Westwood’s swing. I don’t know who you’re judging him against! Tiger? A golf technique book you read? Your own technically perfect golf swing?
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I wonder what Westwood’s better than expected, though not entirely positive for him, showing in the Ryder Cup will mean for him. Will it pull him out of his slump? West wood has a non-classical swing. His left knee moves considerably further towards his right than many pros, his swing seems upper body dominated, and he dips his head at impact. The sad thing is that there just seems like too much to do to make it like those of top class players.
Right…so 24 worldwide wins in the space of a few seasons isn’t top class enough for you? Lee’s problems have been a combination of wanting to change his swing too much, taking his eye off the ball (metaphorically) and a spiral of low confidence. Hopefully he’ll just go back to his natural way and carry on winning.
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I wonder what Westwood’s better than expected, though not entirely positive for him, showing in the Ryder Cup will mean for him. Will it pull him out of his slump? West wood has a non-classical swing. His left knee moves considerably further towards his right than many pros, his swing seems upper body dominated, and he dips his head at impact. The sad thing is that there just seems like too much to do to make it like those of top class players. Right…so 24 worldwide wins in the space of a few seasons isn’t top class enough for you?
I think he was not quite making it to the top class – he rarely contended in the Majors – Faldo, Couples, Norman, Langer, Woosnam, Mickelson, Stewart, Els etc contended regulary. By the way, this is not an anti-Euro comment – I was born not a million mioles from Worksop, and have played Lindrick. l Lee’s problems have been a combination of wanting to change his swing too much, taking his eye off the ball (metaphorically) and a spiral of low confidence. Hopefully he’ll just go back to his natural way and carry on winning.
That natural way is far from today’s "consensus" swing. B. J. Wilkinson
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I wonder what Westwood’s better than expected, though not entirely positive for him, showing in the Ryder Cup will mean for him. Will it pull him out of his slump? West wood has a non-classical swing. His left knee moves considerably further towards his right than many pros, his swing seems upper body dominated, and he dips his head at impact. The sad thing is that there just seems like too much to do to make it like those of top class players. B. J. Wilkinson