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Arnie was one of the square to square swingers but it was his original style……. There was a book that came out sometime later apologising for the mistakes made in the book you have……I think Jim Flick was involved. Do a search in Barns second hand dept for Jim Flick + square to square Tony
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That was right when I took up golf seriously and was THE book for learning a controlled golf swing. I used it as the basis of my origianl swing. Using it religiously, I went from a 26 to and 8 in about a year. However, it is definitely not a power swing method. I believe a lot of the pros played with at that time, but, I must admit, I haven’t heard much about it in years. golferdhm I was wandering around our local library recently and ran across/checked out a book by "Dick Aultman and the Editors of Golf Digest" called the "Square to Square Golf Swing". It has a 1970 copyright date. I checked it out mostly out of curiosity, rather than as part of a search for a solution to a specific problem. All that I have done so far is to browse through it carefully (by ‘browse standards’ – not ’study/read standards’). Fundamentally it seems to be based on the concepts of 1) Relatively upright swing plane 2) No pronation (I would call their ‘curl under’ mechanism negative pronation) 3) A relatively dominant left side 4) A pretty weak grip It certainly has nothing as radical as Natural Golf and, based on my reading/understanding so far, is yet another pass at ‘a good way to hit a golf ball’. But this was published in the early 70’s and I was basically ‘out of the golf game’ from the late 70’s until very recently. Do any of you RSG guru’s know the history (post publication) of this approach? A simple web search indicates to me that it isn’t an approach (or at least the name) that had any lasting impact. Just curious – thanks. dave
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Interesting – the book "Square to Square Golf in Pictures – An Illustrated Study of the Modern Swing Techniques" by Jim Flick must be something of a collector’s item. Amazon has it listed used for anywhere from $89 to $414! dave
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Arnie was one of the square to square swingers but it was his original style……. There was a book that came out sometime later apologising for the mistakes made in the book you have……I think Jim Flick was involved. Do a search in Barns second hand dept for Jim Flick + square to square Tony That was right when I took up golf seriously and was THE book for learning a controlled golf swing. I used it as the basis of my origianl swing. Using it religiously, I went from a 26 to and 8 in about a year. However, it is definitely not a power swing method. I believe a lot of the pros played with at that time, but, I must admit, I haven’t heard much about it in years. golferdhm I was wandering around our local library recently and ran across/checked out a book by "Dick Aultman and the Editors of Golf Digest" called the "Square to Square Golf Swing". It has a 1970 copyright date. I checked it out mostly out of curiosity, rather than as part of a search for a solution to a specific problem. All that I have done so far is to browse through it carefully (by ‘browse standards’ – not ’study/read standards’). Fundamentally it seems to be based on the concepts of 1) Relatively upright swing plane 2) No pronation (I would call their ‘curl under’ mechanism negative pronation) 3) A relatively dominant left side 4) A pretty weak grip It certainly has nothing as radical as Natural Golf and, based on my reading/understanding so far, is yet another pass at ‘a good way to hit a golf ball’. But this was published in the early 70’s and I was basically ‘out of the golf game’ from the late 70’s until very recently. Do any of you RSG guru’s know the history (post publication) of this approach? A simple web search indicates to me that it isn’t an approach (or at least the name) that had any lasting impact. Just curious – thanks. dave
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Dave, That was about the time I started playing golf. The "Square to Square" method was a major discussion in those days. I just went looking and found my copy of that book among my golf books. I’ll have to reread it. If you are interested in other good books written in the 70’s, try Johnny Miller’s Pure Golf, 1976. I use it now as one of my main references on the golf swing. Ben Hogan’s Fundamentals of Golf and this book by Johnny Miller are the very best. Johnny Miller’s Golf For Juniors, 1987, is outstanding and shouldn’t just be read by beginners.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dave, That was about the time I started playing golf. The "Square to Square" method was a major discussion in those days. I just went looking and found my copy of that book among my golf books. I’ll have to reread it. If you are interested in other good books written in the 70’s, try Johnny Miller’s Pure Golf, 1976. I use it now as one of my main references on the golf swing. Ben Hogan’s Fundamentals of Golf and this book by Johnny Miller are the very best. Johnny Miller’s Golf For Juniors, 1987, is outstanding and shouldn’t just be read by beginners.
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Another good book with info on the Squares vs Rollers argument from the 60’s is "Search For The Perfect Swing" by Alastair Cochran & John Stobbs; $24.95 from Triumph Books. The authors devote a whole chapter to wrist action with sub-headings of: All Squares Roll A Meaning For The "Square Method" The Free ‘Roller’- open at the top The Methodical ‘Pusher’ – shut at the top A Question Of Choice Of Advantages Address Position & Roll The Crossover Takeaway & Roll – Points of Analysis Wrist Action & The Model Neat stuff with appropriate pictures and diagrams. Well worth getting this book.
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Fritz, a BIG THANKS for this post. My original goal was simply to broaden my understanding of where golf swing perspectives have come from (and gone to). I dropped by our local library today and they had this book. Of course I checked it out and while I have currently done no more than thumb through it, it appears to be a most useful reference in the context of my original goal. Thanks again. dave
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Another good book with info on the Squares vs Rollers argument from the 60’s is "Search For The Perfect Swing" by Alastair Cochran & John Stobbs; $24.95 from Triumph Books. The authors devote a whole chapter to wrist action with sub-headings of: All Squares Roll A Meaning For The "Square Method" The Free ‘Roller’- open at the top The Methodical ‘Pusher’ – shut at the top A Question Of Choice Of Advantages Address Position & Roll The Crossover Takeaway & Roll – Points of Analysis Wrist Action & The Model Neat stuff with appropriate pictures and diagrams. Well worth getting this book.
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That was right when I took up golf seriously and was THE book for learning a controlled golf swing. I used it as the basis of my origianl swing. Using it religiously, I went from a 26 to and 8 in about a year. However, it is definitely not a power swing method. I believe a lot of the pros played with at that time, but, I must admit, I haven’t heard much about it in years. golferdhm
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was wandering around our local library recently and ran across/checked out a book by "Dick Aultman and the Editors of Golf Digest" called the "Square to Square Golf Swing". It has a 1970 copyright date. I checked it out mostly out of curiosity, rather than as part of a search for a solution to a specific problem. All that I have done so far is to browse through it carefully (by ‘browse standards’ – not ’study/read standards’). Fundamentally it seems to be based on the concepts of 1) Relatively upright swing plane 2) No pronation (I would call their ‘curl under’ mechanism negative pronation) 3) A relatively dominant left side 4) A pretty weak grip It certainly has nothing as radical as Natural Golf and, based on my reading/understanding so far, is yet another pass at ‘a good way to hit a golf ball’. But this was published in the early 70’s and I was basically ‘out of the golf game’ from the late 70’s until very recently. Do any of you RSG guru’s know the history (post publication) of this approach? A simple web search indicates to me that it isn’t an approach (or at least the name) that had any lasting impact. Just curious – thanks. dave
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I was wandering around our local library recently and ran across/checked out a book by "Dick Aultman and the Editors of Golf Digest" called the "Square to Square Golf Swing". It has a 1970 copyright date. I checked it out mostly out of curiosity, rather than as part of a search for a solution to a specific problem. All that I have done so far is to browse through it carefully (by ‘browse standards’ – not ’study/read standards’). Fundamentally it seems to be based on the concepts of 1) Relatively upright swing plane 2) No pronation (I would call their ‘curl under’ mechanism negative pronation) 3) A relatively dominant left side 4) A pretty weak grip It certainly has nothing as radical as Natural Golf and, based on my reading/understanding so far, is yet another pass at ‘a good way to hit a golf ball’. But this was published in the early 70’s and I was basically ‘out of the golf game’ from the late 70’s until very recently. Do any of you RSG guru’s know the history (post publication) of this approach? A simple web search indicates to me that it isn’t an approach (or at least the name) that had any lasting impact. Just curious – thanks. dave