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(And to Linda, the primary benefit of large breasts is the continuation of the species.)

Yeah, I know, I just resent guys wanting to "select" me to "continue the species" based on the size of my breasts.  ;-)   Linda Linda M. Cunningham      | Multifaceted human being http://www.canwine.com/fandl/linda.html – My Home Page

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I found the thing that really efffects my swing is weight gain, and at my age it all goes to the waist.  The thicker my waist, the less I turn, and thus an out to in swing, and my fade becomes a slice.

Absolutely!  Another good reason for cutting down (not "out," when it comes to chocolate!) on the calories….  :-) Linda Linda M. Cunningham      | Multifaceted human being http://www.canwine.com/fandl/linda.html – My Home Page

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Another thing to keep in mind, and I’d appreciate some thoughts from the other well-endowed females on the list, is the sort of bra one is wearing. I switched over to a brand that gives me a lot more support than my old one, and I notice it’s really made a difference in my balance, since I’m not flopping all over the place (or feeling like I did, at any rate). I guess I fall into the brick house without significant upper body endowment, and I find that I am most comfortable in a Jogbra * (using company name here) with the most support for a small endowment. It keeps me compressed, and the lining also has the coolmax* (use of brand name here) which keeps the sweat off of me, which has a tendency to break out my skin when the salts dry on it.

OK, that makes sense; I think the concept of "support" is the one that’s most important, with "comfort" a darned close second.  The mass-market bras really don’t do a great job for many people…. Linda Linda M. Cunningham      | Multifaceted human being http://www.canwine.com/fandl/linda.html – My Home Page

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Katie… Although I don’t wear that bra, I do have a thickening waist.  But if I concentrate on keeping my right elbow into my right side during the downswing, I manage to swing from the inside out. Good luck! Dick Weld – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I, also, use that bra.  It keeps me togather.  I never really gave this much thought because all my adult life I’ve had breasts and I guess compensated for them, somehow.  I found the thing that really efffects my swing is weight gain, and at my age it all goes to the waist.  The thicker my waist, the less I turn, and thus an out to in swing, and my fade becomes a slice. Kate

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I guess I fall into the brick house without significant upper body endowment, and I find that I am most comfortable in a Jogbra * (using company name here) with the most support for a small endowment. It keeps me compressed, and the lining also has the coolmax* (use of brand name here) which keeps the sweat off of me, which has a tendency to break out my skin when the salts dry on it. — Teresa Williamson Charter Member, RSG Clique roll call: http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/williamsont.htm RSG FAQ:  http://ttsoft.com/thor/rsggolf.html <sniperoo Another thing to keep in mind, and I’d appreciate some thoughts from the other well-endowed females on the list, is the sort of bra one is wearing. I switched over to a brand that gives me a lot more support than my old one, and I notice it’s really made a difference in my balance, since I’m not flopping all over the place (or feeling like I did, at any rate). IMO, there isn’t a benefit to large breasts.  On *or* off the golf course…. Linda Linda M. Cunningham      | Multifaceted human being http://www.canwine.com/fandl/linda.html – My Home Page I, also, use that bra.  It keeps me togather.  I never really gave

this much thought because all my adult life I’ve had breasts and I guess compensated for them, somehow.  I found the thing that really efffects my swing is weight gain, and at my age it all goes to the waist.  The thicker my waist, the less I turn, and thus an out to in swing, and my fade becomes a slice. Kate Before you buy.

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Okay, okay… I know when I’m out of my depth, but maybe the jogging bra is a better idea than the 1940’s "Madonna-type" bra. My wife once bought a bra called "The Minimizer"… I thought it was some sort of Communist plot.  (And to Linda, the primary benefit of large breasts is the continuation of the species.) Dick Weld – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I guess I fall into the brick house without significant upper body endowment, and I find that I am most comfortable in a Jogbra * (using company name here) with the most support for a small endowment. It keeps me compressed, and the lining also has the coolmax* (use of brand name here) which keeps the sweat off of me, which has a tendency to break out my skin when the salts dry on it.

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: :IMO, there isn’t a benefit to large breasts.  On *or* off the golf course….   : Unless one wants an increased chance of getting lucky… — Howie

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SO, rather than "try….. (the stupidity of those who use that word in their teaching absolutely galls me — it’s like saying "try" to lift that 300 lbs. stay with it honey, you’ll get better)

…and then later in the same post: try this kind of accommodation and report back.

Boy, it galls me too.  LOL Scottb

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I guess I fall into the brick house without significant upper body endowment, and I find that I am most comfortable in a Jogbra * (using company name here) with the most support for a small endowment. It keeps me compressed, and the lining also has the coolmax* (use of brand name here) which keeps the sweat off of me, which has a tendency to break out my skin when the salts dry on it. — Teresa Williamson Charter Member, RSG Clique roll call: http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/williamsont.htm RSG FAQ:  http://ttsoft.com/thor/rsggolf.html <sniperoo – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Another thing to keep in mind, and I’d appreciate some thoughts from the other well-endowed females on the list, is the sort of bra one is wearing. I switched over to a brand that gives me a lot more support than my old one, and I notice it’s really made a difference in my balance, since I’m not flopping all over the place (or feeling like I did, at any rate). IMO, there isn’t a benefit to large breasts.  On *or* off the golf course…. Linda Linda M. Cunningham      | Multifaceted human being http://www.canwine.com/fandl/linda.html – My Home Page

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Yes he could, Maria.  That’s just the point.  Opps, that’s just the ….. – darn, don’t know what to call it…   I have a feeling he outsmarted a LOT of people with that one  – his Pendulum spelling is what saved the wit. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – He couldn’t spell "Pendulous."…. "How old would you be if you didn’t know how old you are?"                                 –Satchel Paige How did you arrive at the name "Pendulum Press", George? It’s just too perfect.

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Don’t read it, Maria, and I guess neither does the McLean or other Orlando (?) (don’t recall exactly which academy it was) golf academy staff LPGA pro on TGChannel who couldn’t answer the subject question for the lady who inquired what she should do — that was about 6 months ago.  $1000 a day? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – George, your suggestion of putting your arm OVER the, um, boob, was actually featured in an article (complete with photos!) in Golf for Women several years back. "How old would you be if you didn’t know how old you are?"                                 –Satchel Paige

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He couldn’t spell "Pendulous."…. "How old would you be if you didn’t know how old you are?"                                 –Satchel Paige – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – How did you arrive at the name "Pendulum Press", George? It’s just too perfect.

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Ooooh!  Ooooh! I know!  I know!  Colin "Maidenform" Montgomerie!!!! "How old would you be if you didn’t know how old you are?"                                 –Satchel Paige – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – By the way, some male players have sizeable breasts too which, without any form of binding, do very much get in the way of their golf swing – or so I’m told ;-) Stan — Stan The Man +++Naked Under This Macintosh+++ DELETE X if replying

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How did you arrive at the name "Pendulum Press", George? It’s just too perfect.

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As I have said before, David, my wife is "golf challenged" in that department…  GOOD one.  Never thought of THAT. I knew it would stir something up, this subject. David, the caveat on the original posting for that subject asked people under 18 to "click here." Looks like we have some smarmy kids here, RSGers as well as you old buzzards. Dave — if you can think of the subliminal reasons for my choice of "perfect impact", you’ll be entitled to a gift certifate to "Playgolf" by return mail. G

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – How did you arrive at the name "Pendulum Press", George? It’s just too perfect.

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George, your suggestion of putting your arm OVER the, um, boob, was actually featured in an article (complete with photos!) in Golf for Women several years back. "How old would you be if you didn’t know how old you are?"                                 –Satchel Paige

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"Dick Weld"  wrote … I don’t consider this a silly post at all.

Nor do I. not sure that it applies to men with "large trunks" since …[snip]

Actually, I think it applies to EVERYONE.  I stumbled upon this advice several years ago in a tip I heard directed to women (for obvious reasons). For some reason it stuck in my mind.  Then some weeks later I was skimming thru Hogan’s book "Fundamentals" and noted the part about keeping the elbows close together.  I always found that hard to do with my arms at my side, so I started putting my upper arms on TOP OF my chest, rather than allowing them to hang on the outside of my chest.  Suddenly, the plane became much clearer to me. Years later, I met the man who I consider my instructor, and one of the first things he taught me was to get my arms on top of my chest and to turn the elbows inward (so they point down toward each hip).  His reasoning?  It puts the arms in a position where they can be RE-active as the shoulders being the turn of the backswing, and this position puts the right arm in a subordinate position to accept the full extension of the left arm as the backswing continues and the right arm must fold.  From this postion, it’s a very natural move. Need more evidence?  Take a close look at the address positions of Tiger Woods and Ernie Els, the world’s #1 and #2 players.  Both of them set up to the ball with their upper arms IN FRONT OF and ON TOP OF their chests, not on either side of their trunk. Randy Charter Member, RSG Clique Golf instruction for newbies:  http://wwwgolfer.home.mindspring.com My RSG Roll Call profile:  http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/brownr.htm RSG FAQ:  http://ttsoft.com/thor/rsggolf.html Voiceovers/Narration/Production Services:  www.randybrownproductions.com

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IMO, there isn’t a benefit to large breasts.  On *or* off the golf course….  

Now, now, Linda. You’re opening up a whole new thread there…. By the way, some male players have sizeable breasts too which, without any form of binding, do very much get in the way of their golf swing – or so I’m told ;-) Stan — Stan The Man +++Naked Under This Macintosh+++ DELETE X if replying

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Tendencies to swing "inside" or "outside" when you have physical characteristics that "get in the way" or limitations of motion must be addressed in the context of the swing path you must generate on the way to the ball. If your upper body will not permit you to turn to the right without throwing your path way too far out, you can accommodate this by positioning the arms "on top (left arm)" and "on the right" (right arm).  This will allow for the fact that as you DO take your backswing, BOTH of your arms are totally free to move where they need to. BUT, at the top, you may discover that a limitation of your backswing motion, due to upper body size in general (not just the bosom) has you less "around to your right" than is appropriate to BE ABLE to make your downswing "on plane".  (Note that the arms will be able to come back down onto the top of your chest without interference from your breasts so it is not an arm amplitude question.  THIS point is a different issue: you just can’t turn your upper body to the right far enough.) SO, rather than "try….. (the stupidity of those who use that word in their teaching absolutely galls me — it’s like saying "try" to lift that 300 lbs. stay with it honey, you’ll get better) to do something that is PREvented by the body or stance, you make an accommoDAtion in your body alignment at SETup.  Namely, turn to the right at SETup more than "book parallel".  While this "goes against" model swing standards (which you are not), it is a way that imMEDiately  frees your essential motions so you CAN get back to the ball with on-oline and powerful motion. Who cares what happens after the ball is gone if your swing is aborted from a follow through that looks like DD’s — who cares indeed.  By playing with the distance between your feet, some outward splay of your RIght foot, ball position and a small adjustment of  upper body-closed position at address, you will be able to find a comfortable way to go back to the back of your swing without stress, come down on plane with power, and hit the ball on line with a square clubface at the low point of your arc. So rather than fight limitations, adapt yourself to them. Women reading this, or men with limited ability to turn around to the right very far: try this kind of accommodation and report back.  Do it in your living room at a mirror just to get a feel of it before experimenting at the range. Good luck   George – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks, Linda… that’s just the sort of input I hoped for.  I just had a thought, though, that there might be a benefit to large breasts… if they force you to take the club all the way back on the target line… but then is there a negative tendency to swing "outside-in" on the downswing? If swinging "outside-in" makes you go right, then yes, I have a real tendency to do that if I don’t remember to turn my hands over, especially with my 1,3, and 5 woods (although not with my 8, for whatever reason). Another thing to keep in mind, and I’d appreciate some thoughts from the other well-endowed females on the list, is the sort of bra one is wearing. I switched over to a brand that gives me a lot more support than my old one, and I notice it’s really made a difference in my balance, since I’m not flopping all over the place (or feeling like I did, at any rate). IMO, there isn’t a benefit to large breasts.  On *or* off the golf course…. Linda Linda M. Cunningham      | Multifaceted human being http://www.canwine.com/fandl/linda.html – My Home Page

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Thanks, Linda… that’s just the sort of input I hoped for.  I just had a thought, though, that there might be a benefit to large breasts… if they force you to take the club all the way back on the target line… but then is there a negative tendency to swing "outside-in" on the downswing?

If swinging "outside-in" makes you go right, then yes, I have a real tendency to do that if I don’t remember to turn my hands over, especially with my 1,3, and 5 woods (although not with my 8, for whatever reason). Another thing to keep in mind, and I’d appreciate some thoughts from the other well-endowed females on the list, is the sort of bra one is wearing. I switched over to a brand that gives me a lot more support than my old one, and I notice it’s really made a difference in my balance, since I’m not flopping all over the place (or feeling like I did, at any rate). IMO, there isn’t a benefit to large breasts.  On *or* off the golf course….   Linda Linda M. Cunningham      | Multifaceted human being http://www.canwine.com/fandl/linda.html – My Home Page

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Thanks, Linda… that’s just the sort of input I hoped for.  I just had a thought, though, that there might be a benefit to large breasts… if they force you to take the club all the way back on the target line… but then is there a negative tendency to swing "outside-in" on the downswing? Dick Weld

much snipped… and my conclusion is that they all can work, but that you have to find out which one suits you.

 and found it worked better than the both-over, partly, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think, because I was also tensing a lot and only using my arms, not my entire body, to hit. My best guess is that it depends on how much weight in general you’re carrying (not just "up front), general flexibility, and the other host of assorted things that affect a swing.

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I don’t consider this a silly post at all.  In the last month I’ve given instruction to two beginners of the female persuasion… both with ample bosoms.  I wish I had found this advice much earlier.  I’m not sure that it applies to men with "large trunks" since I’m on the portly side myself, but my "large trunk" is right over my belt buckle… and out of the way of my swing. However, I can see that starting with the left arm over the left breast and the right arm to the right side of the right breast will allow the arms to clear during the backswing… but what happens in the downswing?  I’d appreciate any comment from the distaff side of the group… although perhaps all our female members are petite little things…

Well, I’m sure not.  ;-) I’ve gone through about as many trial-and-error things as you can — both over, both under, one up/one down — and my conclusion is that they all can work, but that you have to find out which one suits you.   When I was younger (and built, as one wag once put it, "like a toothpick with tits"), I had both over.  When I got, ah, considerably plumper, I did the one up/one down, and found it worked better than the both-over, partly, I think, because I was also tensing a lot and only using my arms, not my entire body, to hit.  Since I’ve slimmed back down, I have both under now, with a substantial change to my stance (the "sitting on a stool" thread recently mentioned).   My best guess is that it depends on how much weight in general you’re carrying (not just "up front), general flexibility, and the other host of assorted things that affect a swing. Talk about a YMMV concept…. Linda Linda M. Cunningham      | Multifaceted human being http://www.canwine.com/fandl/linda.html – My Home Page

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I don’t know you. And I’m not sure that I should respond to this silly post. But in the under or over choice, it is always over. flady

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I don’t consider this a silly post at all.  In the last month I’ve given instruction to two beginners of the female persuasion… both with ample bosoms.  I wish I had found this advice much earlier.  I’m not sure that it applies to men with "large trunks" since I’m on the portly side myself, but my "large trunk" is right over my belt buckle… and out of the way of my swing. However, I can see that starting with the left arm over the left breast and the right arm to the right side of the right breast will allow the arms to clear during the backswing… but what happens in the downswing?  I’d appreciate any comment from the distaff side of the group… although perhaps all our female members are petite little things… Thanx, George, for bringing it up… Dick Weld – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t know you. And I’m not sure that I should respond to this silly post. But in the under or over choice, it is always over. flady

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                If you have reached this page in error, click here XXXXX If you are under 18 and you are not allowed to view adult material, click here XXXXX If you are 18 or older and wish to view adult material continue. If you are looking for pics, visit our website at www   wowie   dot    comm [You can't know how much impish delight I have had conceiving this lead-in for this post: is there something in the water on Sundays?] It’s ok, male or female, read on.  The following is the subject of this post:  It is brought up because it is an unspoken difficulty of many golfers, and I am anticipating their need to know even though they don’t voice it.  A lot of questions lurk that never get asked……I’ll "ask" on their behalf. Women with a large bosom, or men who have a large trunk: Addressing a golf ball with such a build can be difficult due to the obstruction in their motion that can occur due to the sheer size of the trunk.  Many women wrestle with this awkwardness for golf and have not found a satisfactory accommodation.  The left arm "gets stuck" trying to make a satisfactory backswing turn. So here is something I have found to be very helpful. In addressing the ball, (righties) first place the left upper arm ON TOP of, NOT beside, your left breast.  Then bring your right arm over to the club and leave your upper arm BESIDE your right breast.  Bend over far enough to allow your club to get to the ground, and wiggle yourself around a bit until you find your most comfortable stance to acccommodate this particular position of your arms. This new position makes it possible for you to turn to the right for your takeaway, lift your arms as appropriate, and then both in the backswing or in the downswing, they won’t be obstructed in their travel .  They also will easily return through impact because the arms return back DOWN from above, onto the chest, and are carried through impact largely by the turning torso. This seems to really work, and women who try it, please write back with your comments.  My wife is "generously" endowed and cannot begin to swing without this accommodation. Now I have a very serious story to tell you.  On The Golf Channel some few months ago I witnessed the following on their call-in show "Golf Academy Live" .  The guest teacher was an LPGA Professional instructor [FEMALE PERSON!] who was featured.  She was a member of the staff of  THE MOST prestigious Orlando based "golf academy" in the world.  It has more visibility, more name recognition, I surmise, than ANY other name given to P  G   A     instruction in the world, with the possible exception now of Butch Harmon. A woman caller voiced the following question, and I quote the essence of it: "I am, shall I say, ‘ample’ of figure.  I don’t know what to do to swing without difficulty – it is so awkward for me to make my swing — especially going back — because my arms bump into my chest." The LPGA credentialed Pro, a member of the staff of the most visible golf academy in the world, based in ORLANDO, FLORIDA, where the King lives, gave her the following response (not literally these words which I forget, but this essential message:)  "Gosh Ms. —, that is hard to do, isn’t it.  You know, everyone has some limitations or other due to their build or age or strength.  Try to….  and try to…. and it will get better for you if you stay with it."  The non-response of this reply left me gasping for air. (Subsequently on TGC another caller with the same problem received the same tip that I just described above from another woman instructor whose "credentials" were nowhere near as significant, and she was from some small town with nothing other than good sense to recommend her.  I loved her simplicity of manner and the intelligence of her replies to everyone she addressed.  The response to this particular suggestion was an immediate "WOW, THAT MAKES GOOD SENSE!" (Reader, judge for yourself it the suggestion makes sense without attacking the concept first.) Ok, now here’s the moral of this story. That same Golf Academy Live always ends with a litany; ‘If you are having trouble with YOUR game, go see your local PGA pro….." Next scenario:  Ms. Jones, in Michigan, hears the litany.  She is golf-challenged in the upper chest department and has wrestled with her address position without coming to a happy accommodation on her own.  She hears the litany, she says  to herself, "my local pro is a nice young man but I would rather talk to a woman who has br….sts like I do (the "b" word again…) because a woman, a credentialed LPGA Pro will know what to tell me.  I deserve the best.  I know what I’ll do.  Golf is very special to me, and ‘I am worth it.’  I’ll not only go to a PGA pro, I’ll go to the ???? Golf Academy in ORLANDO, FLORIDA, because ???? is on the staff of The Golf Channel, he is one of the staff teachers for GOLLLLF UNIVERSE golf magazine, he sells videos and has tapes of the greatest tour professionals of this century that he has analyzed, and he knows the swing so good that he can teach all 33 steps of it with microscopic accuracy."  I KNOW WHAT I’LL DO. I’ll fly to Orlando, I’ll bite the bullet.  Plane fare round trip and hotel and meals maybe $500.  $1000 tuition for one day [not sure of that number, maybe more, maybe less, maybe for more than one day].  That should be enough.  After all, I’m not going to Q School, so I won’t move to  Orlando…" End of her thought process.  She arrives in Orlando,  she is assigned to the SAME WOMAN who gave the advice on The Golf Channel about "trying to…." After some $1500 to $2500 spent in her quest, obeying the litany of "If you are having trouble with your game, so see your local PGA Pro’" she goes home unhelped. It is sad. George Hibbard Pendulum Press 800-226-9326 www.perfectimpact.com — George Hibbard Pendulum Press Palm Coast, FL (800) 226-9326 begin 666 George Hibbard.vcf M0D5′24XZ5D-!4D0-"E9%4E-)3TXZ,BXQ#0I..DAI8F)A<F0[1V5O<F=E#0I& M="YC;VT-"D5-04E,.U!2148[24Y415).150Z9VA <&5R9F5C=&EM<&%C="YC ` end

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