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A reason? I’m not trying to get you to buy AJ’s video, Rob. But a reason for why I like his methods… how about because it worked fantastically well for me? It freed me from the shackles of the mechanical "golf swing." I don’t have to think about my "swing" anymore. I hit the ball great now and the control doesn’t leave me, no matter how far-between my golf rounds are. I play about every two to three months now and because of AJ I don’t have to worry about remembering 500 subtle swing nuances to keep my golf ball going to the target . I hit about 8 balls on the range before a round and I’m tuned in and ready to play. As a "student of the swing" as you seem to be, if you enjoy that, that is fine with me. It’s none of my business to tell you to stop doing something that you enjoy. And I’m certainly not trying to do that. I did not enjoy working on things like where my right knee was and what my hips were doing to hit a golf ball. I’m a descent athlete and I didn’t like all those mechanics. They just made it harder for me. The difference between a great shot and a horrible shot is about 3/4 of an inch left-to-right and top-to-bottom on the club face. Worrying about the position of my knee is not going to make that kind of fine adjustment at 95 mph. Not a chance. And attempting to make such adjustments (knee, hip, shoulder, etc) just frustrated me. Now, I don’t need to think about anything above my wrists for me to hit great shots. If I don’t hit one as well as I would have liked, I can make my own adjustments and hit the next one better. When I practice using AJ’s methods, I get better. I don’t get worse (like I would, before sometimes). At the range, I hone and polish that control that I mentioned so that my misses are fewer and farther between. That’s as much as I can ask for. When I do have time to practice, I practice that and my wedgeplay and putting. I haven’t gone over putting with AJ, yet. Someday. Like I said, though, they threw Galileo in jail. David. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Give me reason. That’s REASON, R, E,A, S, O, N. Look it up in the dictionary to see what the word means; reason. Otherwise, it is no better than Frosty the Halloween Pumpkin, who will improve your putting dramatically. Rob Ha! Watch it first… then bring me your cynical commentary. David.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A reason? I’m not trying to get you to buy AJ’s video, Rob. But a reason for why I like his methods… how about because it worked fantastically well for me? It freed me from the shackles of the mechanical "golf swing." I don’t have to think about my "swing" anymore. I hit the ball great now and the control doesn’t leave me, no matter how far-between my golf rounds are. I play about every two to three months now and because of AJ I don’t have to worry about remembering 500 subtle swing nuances to keep my golf ball going to the target . I hit about 8 balls on the range before a round and I’m tuned in and ready to play. As a "student of the swing" as you seem to be, if you enjoy that, that is fine with me. It’s none of my business to tell you to stop doing something that you enjoy. And I’m certainly not trying to do that. I did not enjoy working on things like where my right knee was and what my hips were doing to hit a golf ball. I’m a descent athlete and I didn’t like all those mechanics. They just made it harder for me. The difference between a great shot and a horrible shot is about 3/4 of an inch left-to-right and top-to-bottom on the club face. Worrying about the position of my knee is not going to make that kind of fine adjustment at 95 mph. Not a chance. And attempting to make such adjustments (knee, hip, shoulder, etc) just frustrated me. Now, I don’t need to think about anything above my wrists for me to hit great shots. If I don’t hit one as well as I would have liked, I can make my own adjustments and hit the next one better. When I practice using AJ’s methods, I get better. I don’t get worse (like I would, before sometimes). At the range, I hone and polish that control that I mentioned so that my misses are fewer and farther between. That’s as much as I can ask for. When I do have time to practice, I practice that and my wedgeplay and putting. I haven’t gone over putting with AJ, yet. Someday. Like I said, though, they threw Galileo in jail. David.
…and there is absolutley zero information content in your post, which has nothing to do with Galileo, of course. Only a fool would spend money because a shill for something says it works for them. Someone wants to believe there is some easy, quick way for a relatively untalented person to learn golf, they can waste their money as they wish. For me, I know snake oil when I see it. Rob — Service is the rent we pay for being RSG Masters 2002 ( http://home.att.net/~janellenrob/RSG-MS_02.html ) RSG Masters 2003 ( http://home.att.net/~janellenrob/RSG-MS-03P.html )
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – But after listening to this AJ Golf stuff maybe I’m tinkering with the wrong things… Steve Peters Univ of Cinti Steve, AJ is my instructor. Believe me, you probably ARE working on all the wrong things. Those testimonials he has on the infomercial are pretty typical of his students. What AJ says is legit. You’re going to flip when you hear it. David. Thanks for your response. There is so much info on golf swings around it’s hard to seperate good from just plain BS.
Interesting; the timing of some first time posters to the newsgroup. Rob — Service is the rent we pay for being RSG Masters 2002 ( http://home.att.net/~janellenrob/RSG-MS_02.html ) RSG Masters 2003 ( http://home.att.net/~janellenrob/RSG-MS-03P.html )
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – But after listening to this AJ Golf stuff maybe I’m tinkering with the wrong things… Steve Peters Univ of Cinti Steve, AJ is my instructor. Believe me, you probably ARE working on all the wrong things. Those testimonials he has on the infomercial are pretty typical of his students. What AJ says is legit. You’re going to flip when you hear it. David. Thanks for your response. There is so much info on golf swings around it’s hard to seperate good from just plain BS. Interesting; the timing of some first time posters to the newsgroup. Rob
Rob, It certainly pays to be cynical, that is for sure. There is a lot of garbage out there and sorting through the good from the bad is no easy task A lot is being said about this AJ Golf, not only here, but in all the other golf forums. I decided to make a purchase…comes with a money back guarantee. The one thing i do like about this instruction is that he is concerned mostly with the impact position and using the club as am impact tool. Not too much obesession with the details of swing dynamics If you have noted my posting on getting more efficiently into the impact zone via trail arm action, it seems that the most critical part of the swing is from the hips down, rather than the hips up. If this AJ Golf instruction can better help with impact positioning, , rather than all the superfluous intra-swing dynamics, maybe he has something here …we shall see. Best regards, eric – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Service is the rent we pay for being RSG Masters 2002 ( http://home.att.net/~janellenrob/RSG-MS_02.html ) RSG Masters 2003 ( http://home.att.net/~janellenrob/RSG-MS-03P.html )
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what is their website? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I saw this infomercial last night on the Golf Channel about AJ Golf and how by watching these 3 videos you should immediately knock a bunch of strokes off your handicap etc. Anybody know anything about this AJ Golf or is it another $100 ripoff? Steve Peters Univ of Cinti
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: what is their website? :
: : I saw this infomercial last night on the Golf Channel about AJ Golf : and how by watching these 3 videos you should immediately knock a : bunch of strokes off your handicap etc. Anybody know anything about : this AJ Golf or is it another $100 ripoff? : : Steve Peters : Univ of Cinti : Seems to be www.ajgolf.com . — http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=oinesroald Please remove the under_scores if sending me mail.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Saw an infomercial yesterday on AJ Golf. Any comments from anyone on this? Ted, i haven’t seen the infomercial, but have heard about it. My understanding is that these folks believe everyone has a unique swing, but what seperates certain players is what they do through the impact zone…and this is the focus of the materials. I did check the web site and it makes some rather incredible claims about vast improvement in one afternoon, etc. I also would be interested in finding out more about this instructional material as i find all of this very interesting, , but have grown very weary of miracle systems with spectacular claims of improvement in short periods of time Eric When someone who HAS profited from a tip in one minute (like George Peper, Editor in Chief of Golf Magazine, who reported a 5 stroke drop in his handicap due to a tip from Gary Smith, I think it was) – it is not the teacher making the claim: it is the golfer who is reporting on his experience as a result of what he learned. Some fixes are immediate (such as telling someone he is peeking when he putts, and which is destroying his short putts which he pulls consistently — a tip which IMMEDIATELY MAKES A TON OF DIFFERENCE in his score!). Not all fixes are "new transmissions" by a long shot! Why do you find this difficult to believe? Do you not know of the story of the retired city engineer who was called out at 2 am when there was a power failure. "Why are you waking me?" "because you are the only one who knows what to do!" So he goes to the relay station, taps one of several relay switchboxes, and next day sends the town a bill for $1001. "WHAT IS THIS ALL ABOUT?" "Oh, $1 for the tap; $1000 for knowing where to tap!" On balance, if you were the frustrated city officials and DID NOT KNOW WHAT TO DO TO FIX IT, would you not be delighted to find out ‘where to tap’ for next time? THAT is what many testimonials are all about. They are the comments by the golfers. If you choose to think they lie, go ahead. They don’t. George Hibbard
What made you think he was talking about you, George?
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I saw this infomercial last night on the Golf Channel about AJ Golf and how by watching these 3 videos you should immediately knock a bunch of strokes off your handicap etc. Anybody know anything about this AJ Golf or is it another $100 ripoff?
You’re kidding, right? Or are you one of the UC basketball "grads"? :^) Rob — Service is the rent we pay for being RSG Masters 2002 ( http://home.att.net/~janellenrob/RSG-MS_02.html ) RSG Masters 2003 ( http://home.att.net/~janellenrob/RSG-MS-03P.html )
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I saw this infomercial last night on the Golf Channel about AJ Golf and how by watching these 3 videos you should immediately knock a bunch of strokes off your handicap etc. Anybody know anything about this AJ Golf or is it another $100 ripoff? You’re kidding, right? Or are you one of the UC basketball "grads"? :^) Rob — Service is the rent we pay for being RSG Masters 2002 ( http://home.att.net/~janellenrob/RSG-MS_02.html ) RSG Masters 2003 ( http://home.att.net/~janellenrob/RSG-MS-03P.html )
Actually, no Rob I’m not one of the criminal sports stars, just a network support guy and adjunct faculty member who loves to play golf and willing to try anything to improve. I’m constantly tinkering with my swing and did manage to take 4 strokes off my handicap this year. But after listening to this AJ Golf stuff maybe I’m tinkering with the wrong things. I posted this same question at freegolfinfo.com and so far nobody over there seems to know much about this. Several have seen the commercial but have never heard of this guy. I’m not afraid to spend money if there is a perceived value for that money. Thanks to everyone for responding. Steve Peters Univ of Cinti
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But after listening to this AJ Golf stuff maybe I’m tinkering with the wrong things… Steve Peters Univ of Cinti
Steve, AJ is my instructor. Believe me, you probably ARE working on all the wrong things. Those testimonials he has on the infomercial are pretty typical of his students. What AJ says is legit. You’re going to flip when you hear it. David.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – But after listening to this AJ Golf stuff maybe I’m tinkering with the wrong things… Steve Peters Univ of Cinti Steve, AJ is my instructor. Believe me, you probably ARE working on all the wrong things. Those testimonials he has on the infomercial are pretty typical of his students. What AJ says is legit. You’re going to flip when you hear it. David.
Thanks for your response. There is so much info on golf swings around it’s hard to seperate good from just plain BS. Steve Peters Univ of Cinti
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Finally, a reply that is on topic and says something. What does he say that’s worth $90?
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – But after listening to this AJ Golf stuff maybe I’m tinkering with the wrong things… Steve Peters Univ of Cinti Steve, AJ is my instructor. Believe me, you probably ARE working on all the wrong things. Those testimonials he has on the infomercial are pretty typical of his students. What AJ says is legit. You’re going to flip when you hear it. David.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Saw an infomercial yesterday on AJ Golf. Any comments from anyone on this? Ted, i haven’t seen the infomercial, but have heard about it. My understanding is that these folks believe everyone has a unique swing, but what seperates certain players is what they do through the impact zone…and this is the focus of the materials. I did check the web site and it makes some rather incredible claims about vast improvement in one afternoon, etc. I also would be interested in finding out more about this instructional material as i find all of this very interesting, , but have grown very weary of miracle systems with spectacular claims of improvement in short periods of time Eric
When someone who HAS profited from a tip in one minute (like George Peper, Editor in Chief of Golf Magazine, who reported a 5 stroke drop in his handicap due to a tip from Gary Smith, I think it was) – it is not the teacher making the claim: it is the golfer who is reporting on his experience as a result of what he learned. Some fixes are immediate (such as telling someone he is peeking when he putts, and which is destroying his short putts which he pulls consistently — a tip which IMMEDIATELY MAKES A TON OF DIFFERENCE in his score!). Not all fixes are "new transmissions" by a long shot! Why do you find this difficult to believe? Do you not know of the story of the retired city engineer who was called out at 2 am when there was a power failure. "Why are you waking me?" "because you are the only one who knows what to do!" So he goes to the relay station, taps one of several relay switchboxes, and next day sends the town a bill for $1001. "WHAT IS THIS ALL ABOUT?" "Oh, $1 for the tap; $1000 for knowing where to tap!" On balance, if you were the frustrated city officials and DID NOT KNOW WHAT TO DO TO FIX IT, would you not be delighted to find out ‘where to tap’ for next time? THAT is what many testimonials are all about. They are the comments by the golfers. If you choose to think they lie, go ahead. They don’t. George Hibbard
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Ha! Watch it first… then bring me your cynical commentary. David. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ….Snip snake oil pitch… In short, It’s snake oil. Would that be worth $90? No. Rob
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Give me reason. That’s REASON, R, E,A, S, O, N. Look it up in the dictionary to see what the word means; reason. Otherwise, it is no better than Frosty the Halloween Pumpkin, who will improve your putting dramatically. Rob – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ha! Watch it first… then bring me your cynical commentary. David. ….Snip snake oil pitch… In short, It’s snake oil. Would that be worth $90? No. Rob
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Ted, The best way that I can characterize it is this:
Why not give us a real example… i.e. does he teach a takeaway change, grip change, etc. etc????
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Ted, The best way that I can characterize it is this: Why not give us a real example… i.e. does he teach a takeaway change, grip change, etc. etc????
No… none of that matters if you don’t know how to put the clubface on the ball… which is a part of what he teaches. The fundamentals are using the club to hit the ball… not posture, backswing, hip-turn, etc. You can do all the "backswing" or takeaway practice you want, but that’s not going to hit the ball for you. He’ll tach you how to use the club to hit the ball… which is a very different concept than learning "the golf swing." And no bones about it… I’ll go to bat for AJ and his methods any day of the week. Of the things about which I feel strongly in this world… this is one of them. It’s not gimickey or schtick… it just works and I think it is THEE fundamental. And I know that’s hard to believe. David.
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If this… can better help with impact positioning, , rather than all the superfluous intra-swing dynamics, maybe he has something here …we shall see.
The "intra-swing dynamics" are far from superfluous. Why don’t you just start in the impact position and hit the ball from there without taking a backswing?
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….Snip snake oil pitch… In short, It’s snake oil. Would that be worth $90?
No. Rob — Service is the rent we pay for being RSG Masters 2002 ( http://home.att.net/~janellenrob/RSG-MS_02.html ) RSG Masters 2003 ( http://home.att.net/~janellenrob/RSG-MS-03P.html )
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Ted, The best way that I can characterize it is this: AJ is to all the pros who babble on about grip, posture, shoulder-turn, wieght-shift, etc… …what Galileo was to the people who said that the Earth was the center of the universe. Just becuase something is believed by many does not make it true. The rest of the world, at the time, thought the Earth was the center of the universe. Galileo discovered that not to be true. The truth was that the Earth revolved around the sun and was not the center of the universe.
Are you shitting me? That’s the most absurd thing I’ve ever heard. Earth revolving around the sun? Ridiculous. Cripes, next thing you’ll be suggesting is that the sucker ain’t flat.
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Ted, The best way that I can characterize it is this: AJ is to all the pros who babble on about grip, posture, shoulder-turn, wieght-shift, etc… …what Galileo was to the people who said that the Earth was the center of the universe. Just becuase something is believed by many does not make it true. The rest of the world, at the time, thought the Earth was the center of the universe. Galileo discovered that not to be true. The truth was that the Earth revolved around the sun and was not the center of the universe. AJ’s methods are that significant, relative to the golf world. AJ’s right. The truth is elegantly simple… and it’s ALWAYS true… that’s what I like about it. I’m that kind of guy, always looking for what’s real out of all the crap out there (in golf and everything else, of course). And I know you don’t know him, so this may sound outrageous, but I have no doubt that he’s the smartest man in golf. And if I asked, I’m sure I could get a list of people who would tell you the same thing without hesitation. Like I told somebody else, they threw Galileo in jail for proclaiming something that we now know to be the truth. I wonder what’s going to happen to AJ. When you hear what he has to say, you will say to yourself, "Ok, now why haven’t I heard this before? It makes so much sense…" in an upset way, you’ll say that because you’ll be upset that no one told you this a long time ago. I don’t know how I can describe it better without sounding corney. It just is that significant. It’s like he gives you the key to the door that guards all the straight-forward answers to hitting a golf ball that no one will ever tell you. Well, that’s pretty corney, but that’s what it felt like to me. Would that be worth $90? This has turned into quite a post. David. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Finally, a reply that is on topic and says something. What does he say that’s worth $90? But after listening to this AJ Golf stuff maybe I’m tinkering with the wrong things… Steve Peters Univ of Cinti Steve, AJ is my instructor. Believe me, you probably ARE working on all the wrong things. Those testimonials he has on the infomercial are pretty typical of his students. What AJ says is legit. You’re going to flip when you hear it. David.
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I saw this infomercial last night on the Golf Channel about AJ Golf and how by watching these 3 videos you should immediately knock a bunch of strokes off your handicap etc. Anybody know anything about this AJ Golf or is it another $100 ripoff? Steve Peters Univ of Cinti
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Saw an infomercial yesterday on AJ Golf. Any comments from anyone on this?
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Saw an infomercial yesterday on AJ Golf. Any comments from anyone on this?
Ted, i haven’t seen the infomercial, but have heard about it. My understanding is that these folks believe everyone has a unique swing, but what seperates certain players is what they do through the impact zone…and this is the focus of the materials. I did check the web site and it makes some rather incredible claims about vast improvement in one afternoon, etc. I also would be interested in finding out more about this instructional material as i find all of this very interesting, , but have grown very weary of miracle systems with spectacular claims of improvement in short periods of time Eric