A question for you roofers out there… I have some tree branches near my roof that I need to trim. However, I have a metal roof (aluminum shakes) and I’m a little leery of walking on it because of the apparent lack of traction. Is there a particular brand and/or type of shoe that works well on this type of roof? I also thought about rigging up some sort of safety belt arrangement as a backup. TIA
A question for you roofers out there… I have some tree branches near my roof that I need to trim. However, I have a metal roof (aluminum shakes) and I’m a little leery of walking on it because of the apparent lack of traction. Is there a particular brand and/or type of shoe that works well on this type of roof? I also thought about rigging up some sort of safety belt arrangement as a backup. TIA
Golf shoes?
A question for you roofers out there… I have some tree branches near my roof that I need to trim. However, I have a metal roof (aluminum shakes) and I’m a little leery of walking on it because of the apparent lack of traction. Is there a particular brand and/or type of shoe that works well on this type of roof? I also thought about rigging up some sort of safety belt arrangement as a backup. TIA
Might I suggest that if your leery, don’t do it. Instead of thinking of footwear, maybe consider a "chicken ladder". It’s a light weight ladder hooked over the ridge.
Get yourself a body harness and hook it to a 4 or 5-foot shock absorbing lanyard. Hook the lanyard to a rope grab, and hook the rope grab to a 5/8 inch nylon rope that goes all the way over the roof ridge and down to your car bumper on the other side of the house. Wear new sneakers. As you venture up the incline, the rope grab will slide up, but when you want to go down, you have to squeeze a button. Ask the wife to watch you. Do not walk on the far side of the roof where you have no fall protection. You can get set up for less than $100 on eBay. Search the internet for info using the term "fall protection".
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A question for you roofers out there… I have some tree branches near my roof that I need to trim. However, I have a metal roof (aluminum shakes) and I’m a little leery of walking on it because of the apparent lack of traction. Is there a particular brand and/or type of shoe that works well on this type of roof? I also thought about rigging up some sort of safety belt arrangement as a backup. TIA
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Get yourself a body harness and hook it to a 4 or 5-foot shock absorbing lanyard. Hook the lanyard to a rope grab, and hook the rope grab to a 5/8 inch nylon rope that goes all the way over the roof ridge and down to your car bumper on the other side of the house. Wear new sneakers. As you venture up the incline, the rope grab will slide up, but when you want to go down, you have to squeeze a button. Ask the wife to watch you. Do not walk on the far side of the roof where you have no fall protection. You can get set up for less than $100 on eBay. Search the internet for info using the term "fall protection". A question for you roofers out there… I have some tree branches near my roof that I need to trim. However, I have a metal roof (aluminum shakes) and I’m a little leery of walking on it because of the apparent lack of traction. Is there a particular brand and/or type of shoe that works well on this type of roof? I also thought about rigging up some sort of safety belt arrangement as a backup. TIA
Never use a motor vehicle as an anchor point. Drive scrap steel pipe as pickets and use that instead. I have attended a rescue call for a person who tied off to a truck. His own helper tried to move the truck to let the homeowner out of the garage and caused a twelve foot drag followed by a ten foot fall. — Tom
clipped Never use a motor vehicle as an anchor point. Drive scrap steel pipe as pickets and use that instead. I have attended a rescue call for a person who tied off to a truck. His own helper tried to move the truck to let the homeowner out of the garage and caused a twelve foot drag followed by a ten foot fall. — Tom
I have the original "one track mind", and I KNOW I would forget hubby is up on the roof, tied to the bumper, as I drive off to the grocery to get his favorite stuff to fix for lunch because he’s working so hard 
) I’d also be worrying how the roof is going to look because he didn’t hire a contractor. ) I haul my bright green kayak around on a car top carrier, which would make it easy to spot in a parking lot if only I could remember which car I drove )
It appears that jogging is definitely keeping you slender and toned. Just curious, what are your measurements? Are you tan all over?
If your feet are already hurting consider taking aerobics classes or swimming that are lower impact on your feet.
Make sure you have the proper equipment. I recommend going to a running store and talking with one of the shoe specialists who will help you determine the optimal shoe based on your foot strike, arch height, weight, and other specific considerations. They should give you at least three suitable options, differing in price and functionality. Yes, from time to time particular maladies will manifest themselves and should be dealt with as they occur. Running, when properly done, is safe, effective, and fun. Harry – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Several older people have told me that they jogged for years with no problems. But after a few years they started getting foot pain. When they bought new shoes or cushions the pain temporarily went away. I jog for the aerobic benefit and to stay toned and slender. But am i going to end up with permanently damaged and painful as a result? http://community.webtv.net/Amy_cc/MyPics
Make sure you have the proper equipment.
This is the same advice I gave Itchy before he put on bikini running shorts, but he ignored it and was publicly humiliated. Bill R. OO
Don’t listen to the running fanatics who think running the maximum number of miles 7 days a week is healthy.
I never heard anyone say that on here. The only people who run that heavy are in training for a specific event, nobody ever claimed that was healthy, and by all the injury reports you read here you should know that isn’t true. Bill R. OO
sarah is right ,,,, not all of us are here 4 the same reason …. how much are these older folk?? a lot has been learned and a lot has not been put to use ,,, biomechanics / atenuation / all have come a long ways ,,,, though some not as far as others plodzillla – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Several older people have told me that they jogged for years with no problems. But after a few years they started getting foot pain. When they bought new shoes or cushions the pain temporarily went away. I jog for the aerobic benefit and to stay toned and slender. But am i going to end up with permanently damaged and painful as a result? http://community.webtv.net/Amy_cc/MyPics
It seems to me I heard somewhere that Amy C wrote in article Several older people have told me that they jogged for years with no problems. But after a few years they started getting foot pain. When they bought new shoes or cushions the pain temporarily went away. I jog for the aerobic benefit and to stay toned and slender. But am i going to end up with permanently damaged and painful as a result?
I’m an older people, and the only foot problem I’ve had was some mild fasciitis within my first few years of running. Being older, I will be excused for not remembering just how many years ago that was, but in the neighborhood of 15 ~ 20. Shoes back then weren’t what they are nowadays, but my podiatrist said my problem was structural and had nothing to do with my running. (Her brother, also a podiatrist, ran ultras, so she was tuned in to runners’ problems.) Anyway, she treated it with cortisone injections and made me hard orthotics which I wore all the time, running and not, for quite a while, and she told me to keep on running. I still have the orthotics, and use them for a little extra support in my golf shoes (sideways stress during the swing), but never worry about them for running. I think this is another area of running where individual genetics and experiences may collide with urban mythology and explanations that sound logical but aren’t connected to real life. — Old marathoners never die, they just fade away in the long run. Don
If you are having foot problems go to a physician who specializes in feet. I think if you wear good shoes and jog not more than 3 days per week you should be ok. If pain starts stop doing it. Also depends on how much you weigh and if you jog on pavement or grass (preferred). Don’t listen to the running fanatics who think running the maximum number of miles 7 days a week is healthy. Remember take it slow and easy. We are in this for the long haul not the olympics.
Several older people have told me that they jogged for years with no problems. But after a few years they started getting foot pain. When they bought new shoes or cushions the pain temporarily went away. I jog for the aerobic benefit and to stay toned and slender. But am i going to end up with permanently damaged and painful as a result? http://community.webtv.net/Amy_cc/MyPics
A group of 4 couples has played on Maui for the past 2 years and we are now beginning to plan a trip to Kauai for next winter. I would appreciate any course tips and if there are condos that are particularly pleasant or packages that you know about, I would be grateful. We are looking at staying at Princeville for a couple of days to play the Prince course and then move down south. The Hyatt seems a bit expensive unless we can get a special rate so we would be interested to hear about any condos. Which courses around Poipu are worth playing? Thanks Ken K
A group of 4 couples has played on Maui for the past 2 years and we are now beginning to plan a trip to Kauai for next winter. I would appreciate any course tips and if there are condos that are particularly pleasant or packages that you know about, I would be grateful. We are looking at staying at Princeville for a couple of days to play the Prince course and then move down south.
MAGNIFICENT!!! The Prince course is a beaut, but it is tough (Rating: 75.6, Slope: 145). It was also pricey at $150. A less expensive, but very fun course is the Makai course in Princeville. There are 27 holes, so you can do your 18 three different ways. I played the Makai Woods course and loved it. Kauai Lagoons has a great reputation, but I have not played there. The Hyatt seems a bit expensive unless we can get a special rate so we
would be interested to hear about any condos. There are condos about 1-1/2 miles from the Hyatt ("The Cliffs at Princeville") where I have stayed in off season (late August) for about $110/night and in January for $150/night. Do a google search for "The Cliffs at Princeville". Here is one site: http://www.castleresorts.com/CLF/rates.html Which courses around Poipu are worth playing?
Poipu Bay where the Grand Slam of Golf is played. There is a package called the Kauai Golf Challenge in which you get a discount to play Kauai Lagoons, Princeville and Poipu Bay. From the website http://www.pacgolf.com/kauglf.htm : Your Kauai Golf Challenge Package Includes 1 Round of golf at Princeville’s Prince Course. 1 Round of golf at Kauai Lagoon’s Kiele Course. 1 Round of golf at Poipu Bay Resort Course. Guaranteed tee times 30 days in advance. Golf Carts and use of the driving rage prior to play. Local taxes and discount coupons at the golf shops. $ 375.00 PER PLAYER — CA Remove NoSpam to email me directly. Troll intolerant. I took the RSG 2002 Pledge.
We are looking at staying at Princeville for a couple of days to play the Prince course and then move down south.
After spending a couple of days at Princeville you might not wanna ever leave. However, if you do get to the other side of the island, Poipu Bay is the big attraction. It isn’t half the course that The Prince is, but since they play the Grand Slam event there every year you may have some familiarity with the holes. Some of the incoming holes border the ocean as seen here: http://members.aol.com/annika1980/poipu.jpg
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We are looking at staying at Princeville for a couple of days to play the Prince course and then move down south. After spending a couple of days at Princeville you might not wanna ever leave. However, if you do get to the other side of the island, Poipu Bay is the big attraction. It isn’t half the course that The Prince is, but since they play the Grand Slam event there every year you may have some familiarity with the holes. Some of the incoming holes border the ocean as seen here: http://members.aol.com/annika1980/poipu.jpg
Nice pic. Who’s the fat guy teeing off? — CA Remove NoSpam to email me directly. Troll intolerant. I took the RSG 2002 Pledge.
http://members.aol.com/annika1980/poipu.jpg Nice pic. Who’s the fat guy teeing off?
I believe that’s the Champion RSG Golfer of 2001. You probably didn’t recognize me without the Coveted Peach Jacket. That old (11/98) video capture brings back some memories … of those golf shoes, the rainbows of Poipu Bay, that Golfsmith Cermet driver that I could really kill (until I broke it in anger), and those shorts that I used to be able to fit into. Seems like a lifetime ago.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – http://members.aol.com/annika1980/poipu.jpg Nice pic. Who’s the fat guy teeing off? I believe that’s the Champion RSG Golfer of 2001. You probably didn’t recognize me without the Coveted Peach Jacket. That old (11/98) video capture brings back some memories … of those golf shoes, the rainbows of Poipu Bay, that Golfsmith Cermet driver that I could really kill (until I broke it in anger), and those shorts that I used to be able to fit into. Seems like a lifetime ago.
We saw the new century in there (the true new century: Jan 1, 2001). We were there for 10 days and I played three rounds, but missed out on Poipu Bay. I loved Makai. I caught a Mahi Mahi and cooked it on the outdoor grill supplied by the condos. It does seem like a lifetime ago.
Thanks much for the info! I am amused at how polarized people are about the Princeville course versus the courses at Poipu! Ken – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A group of 4 couples has played on Maui for the past 2 years and we are now beginning to plan a trip to Kauai for next winter. I would appreciate any course tips and if there are condos that are particularly pleasant or packages that you know about, I would be grateful. We are looking at staying at Princeville for a couple of days to play the Prince course and then move down south. MAGNIFICENT!!! The Prince course is a beaut, but it is tough (Rating: 75.6, Slope: 145). It was also pricey at $150. A less expensive, but very fun course is the Makai course in Princeville. There are 27 holes, so you can do your 18 three different ways. I played the Makai Woods course and loved it. Kauai Lagoons has a great reputation, but I have not played there. The Hyatt seems a bit expensive unless we can get a special rate so we would be interested to hear about any condos. There are condos about 1-1/2 miles from the Hyatt ("The Cliffs at Princeville") where I have stayed in off season (late August) for about $110/night and in January for $150/night. Do a google search for "The Cliffs at Princeville". Here is one site: http://www.castleresorts.com/CLF/rates.html Which courses around Poipu are worth playing? Poipu Bay where the Grand Slam of Golf is played. There is a package called the Kauai Golf Challenge in which you get a discount to play Kauai Lagoons, Princeville and Poipu Bay. From the website http://www.pacgolf.com/kauglf.htm : Your Kauai Golf Challenge Package Includes 1 Round of golf at Princeville’s Prince Course. 1 Round of golf at Kauai Lagoon’s Kiele Course. 1 Round of golf at Poipu Bay Resort Course. Guaranteed tee times 30 days in advance. Golf Carts and use of the driving rage prior to play. Local taxes and discount coupons at the golf shops. $ 375.00 PER PLAYER — CA Remove NoSpam to email me directly. Troll intolerant. I took the RSG 2002 Pledge.
My wife (also a golfer) and I have a timeshare in Princeville, and we visit Kaua’i at least once a year. I’ll echo what has been said previously about The Makai course – it’s a lot of fun, with some challenges, but very fair. It also has some fantastic vistas, particularly on the Oceans Nine. The Prince, although an incredibly beautiful layout, is TOO DAMN HARD! I’m a 14-handicap, and I’ve played it probably ten times, and must have lost fifty balls on that course. It’s one of those types of courses that doesn’t necessarily reward a good shot. Kaua’i Lagoons Kiele in Lihue south of Princeveille is my favorite golf course on the island. It’s a Jack Nicklaus design with some really memorable holes, and astounding views. There is a sister course there also, called Mokahana (I think) – never played it, but friends reported that it didn’t have much character. Poi’pu Bay, on the south end of Kaua’i is also a memorable experience, but if the wind is blowing hard (like it usually does) your score will reflect it. If it’s calm, it’s a pretty easy course. I shot my career best at Poi’pu (77) on an uncharacteristically windless day. These are all pretty expensive courses, but there are deals to be had – if you stay in one of the resorts, you definitely get a bit of a reduction. Also, the "Kaua’i Challenge" (as they call it) is worth the money – for $345 you play one round each at The Prince, Kaua’i Lagoons and Poi’pu Bay. Still over a hundred bucks for each round, though. A really good deal is the muni course between Lihue and Kapa’a on the east side of the island (called Waimea or Wailua, can’t recall), which is where all the locals play. A truly great course, at about $30 if I recall correctly. Really packed, though, but the pace was good. There are a couple of other courses on the island, really forgettable though. There is a quirky ten-hole course on the south end of the island that we never played, but drive through to look it over. It’s actually owned (we heard) by the chairman of America Online. Hope this helps.
The Prince, although an incredibly beautiful layout, is TOO DAMN HARD! I’m a 14-handicap, and I’ve played it probably ten times, and must have lost fifty balls on that course. It’s one of those types of courses that doesn’t necessarily reward a good shot. I think it rewards a good shot. But it sure plays Hell with a bad one! As you said, one bad swing there and it’s reach for the back pocket time.
There are a couple of other courses on the island, really forgettable though. There is a quirky ten-hole course on the south end of the island that we never played, but drive through to look it over. It’s actually owned (we heard) by the chairman of America Online.
It’s the Puakea Golf Course in Lihue and was supposed to be expanded to 18 by early this summer. The muni course is called the "Wailua Municipal Golf Course" and is in, of all places, Wailua. It is about 3/4 of the way to Lihue from Princeville
Is it worth a play? Thanks Ken K – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There are a couple of other courses on the island, really forgettable though. There is a quirky ten-hole course on the south end of the island that we never played, but drive through to look it over. It’s actually owned (we heard) by the chairman of America Online. It’s the Puakea Golf Course in Lihue and was supposed to be expanded to 18 by early this summer. The muni course is called the "Wailua Municipal Golf Course" and is in, of all places, Wailua. It is about 3/4 of the way to Lihue from Princeville
Is it worth a play? Thanks Ken K
I played the Puakea and while quirky, it was fun for me and quite inexpensive. Then again, I have not met a golf course I didn’t like. Wailua is one I have not played, but the locals like it for what that’s worth. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There are a couple of other courses on the island, really forgettable though. There is a quirky ten-hole course on the south end of the island that we never played, but drive through to look it over. It’s actually owned (we heard) by the chairman of America Online. It’s the Puakea Golf Course in Lihue and was supposed to be expanded to 18 by early this summer. The muni course is called the "Wailua Municipal Golf Course" and is in, of all places, Wailua. It is about 3/4 of the way to Lihue from Princeville
Does anybody know how to remove or at least diminish oil stains in a concrete floor? At the new house, the half of the garage that is going to become airplane shop has a fair number of stains. There is no surface oil that has to be dealt with, so this is really just cosmetic, but… It would also be nice to paint the floor, but my impression is that that really can only be done to fresh, clean concrete, and this concrete is about 10 years old and not fresh. thanks! Ed Wischmeyer
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Ed, I Epoxy painted the floor of my garage about 7 years ago with Sherwin-Williams Epoxy floor paint. The floor was extensively stained with oil spots. I used a 20" floor sander to remove all old paint, then used a strong TSP solution to remove the oil stains. Haven’t had any of it lift except where the front tires of my pickup truck pulled it up. (As I understand it, hot rubber will pull up ANY paint. Only thing I have done is to put pieces of carpet where the front tires sit.) I used a short nap roller to apply 2 coats. I have dropped brake fluid, oil, acetone, epoxy etc on the floor and it all cleans up nicely without damaging the paint. If I did it again I’d put a bit of sand or other grit in the paint to give it a bit more grip. When its nice and clean it can be a bit slick. (Watch out near the bead blaster!!!!) You can look at the airframe pics below to see the floor i’m talking about. Just my 2 cents. — Bart D. Hull Check http://www.inficad.com/~bdhull/Subaru.html for my Subaru Engine Conversion Check http://www.inficad.com/~bdhull/tangoII.html for Tango II I’m building. Does anybody know how to remove or at least diminish oil stains in a concrete floor? At the new house, the half of the garage that is going to become airplane shop has a fair number of stains. There is no surface oil that has to be dealt with, so this is really just cosmetic, but… It would also be nice to paint the floor, but my impression is that that really can only be done to fresh, clean concrete, and this concrete is about 10 years old and not fresh. thanks! Ed Wischmeyer
– Bart D. Hull Check http://www.inficad.com/~bdhull/Subaru.html for my Subaru Engine Conversion Check http://www.inficad.com/~bdhull/tangoII.html for Tango II I’m building.
Really cheap kitty litter. Cheap kitty litter contains more dust. Rub it in with your hands. Sweep it up. Enjoy. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anybody know how to remove or at least diminish oil stains in a concrete floor? At the new house, the half of the garage that is going to become airplane shop has a fair number of stains. There is no surface oil that has to be dealt with, so this is really just cosmetic, but… It would also be nice to paint the floor, but my impression is that that really can only be done to fresh, clean concrete, and this concrete is about 10 years old and not fresh. thanks! Ed Wischmeyer
What is "strong TSP?" — Dan D. . – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ed, I Epoxy painted the floor of my garage about 7 years ago with Sherwin-Williams Epoxy floor paint. The floor was extensively stained with oil spots. I used a 20" floor sander to remove all old paint, then used a strong TSP solution to remove the oil stains. Haven’t had any of it lift except where the front tires of my pickup truck pulled it up. (As I understand it, hot rubber will pull up ANY paint. Only thing I have done is to put pieces of carpet where the front tires sit.) I used a short nap roller to apply 2 coats. I have dropped brake fluid, oil, acetone, epoxy etc on the floor and it all cleans up nicely without damaging the paint. If I did it again I’d put a bit of sand or other grit in the paint to give it a bit more grip. When its nice and clean it can be a bit slick. (Watch out near the bead blaster!!!!) You can look at the airframe pics below to see the floor i’m talking about. Just my 2 cents. — Bart D. Hull Check http://www.inficad.com/~bdhull/Subaru.html for my Subaru Engine Conversion Check http://www.inficad.com/~bdhull/tangoII.html for Tango II I’m building. Does anybody know how to remove or at least diminish oil stains in a concrete floor? At the new house, the half of the garage that is going to become airplane shop has a fair number of stains. There is no surface oil that has to be dealt with, so this is really just cosmetic, but… It would also be nice to paint the floor, but my impression is that that really can only be done to fresh, clean concrete, and this concrete is about 10 years old and not fresh. thanks! Ed Wischmeyer — Bart D. Hull Check http://www.inficad.com/~bdhull/Subaru.html for my Subaru Engine Conversion Check http://www.inficad.com/~bdhull/tangoII.html for Tango II I’m building.
Good advice, but I would make one recomendation. Use H & C Silicone-Acrylic Concrete Stain instead of epoxy. (Do not use H & H Shield Plus). I sold this product at Sherwin-Williams for 6 years. It was the only product we (and our spec. manuals) recomended for concrete with vehicle traffic. I does not lift from hot tires. We tested it on our loading dock pad with a 38,000lb 18-wheeler trailer every week for over 2 years. Not a single problem. However, it did eventually wear out under the door, but that was caused by the polyurethane wheels on our forklift. It’s also about 1/2 the price of exopy and does not require mixing. It does require muratic-acid etching and two coats. Its available in both Lowe’s and Home Depot, as well as at S-W stores. Harry
Seal the floors with the proprietary sealants used on concrete floors and use kitty litter to absorb the spilt oil. That’s what we do —- leaves no trace.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This is the stuff they used at work on the floors – it seems to be surviving everything we can throw at it… http://www.stonhard.com/ — Dan D. . Just a tip, when putting on the floor coating, wear old golf shoes with the spikes. Let you walk right over the "paint" without any major issues. Saw this on the folks who put down the coating at work…
Just a tip, when putting on the floor coating, wear old golf shoes with the spikes. Let you walk right over the "paint" without any major issues. Saw this on the folks who put down the coating at work…
Does anybody know how to remove or at least diminish oil stains in a concrete floor? At the new house, the half of the garage that is going to become airplane shop has a fair number of stains. There is no surface oil that has to be dealt with, so this is really just cosmetic, but…
Stain the rest of the floor to match? — Two parrots sitting on a perch. One asks the other, "Can you smell fish?"
There is a new product in coming out of Cansda called Oil Lift. It breaks down oil right down to the molecular structure. It’ll be in stores soon.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anybody know how to remove or at least diminish oil stains in a concrete floor? At the new house, the half of the garage that is going to become airplane shop has a fair number of stains. There is no surface oil that has to be dealt with, so this is really just cosmetic, but… Stain the rest of the floor to match? — Stirling. —— Two parrots sitting on a perch. One asks the other, "Can you smell fish?"
This is the stuff they used at work on the floors – it seems to be surviving everything we can throw at it… http://www.stonhard.com/ — Dan D. .
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just a tip, when putting on the floor coating, wear old golf shoes with the spikes. Let you walk right over the "paint" without any major issues. Saw this on the folks who put down the coating at work…
I knew I had heard of it, just couldn’t quite remember. Thanks Ed… — Dan D. .
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What is "strong TSP?" TSP is tri-sodium phosphate, more or less that active ingredient in detergents but without the fillers, perfumes, all that. It’s available at hardware stores. "Strong TSP" means that you mix it up in over-concentrated form. Ed Wischmeyer
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, I have tried a bunch of methods to remove oil from concrete floors with only limited success. <snip He first used product called "Pour-N-Restore" to remove the oil BEFORE doing a pressure wash. When the Pour-n-Restore had done its job and the residue had been sucked up with a shop-vac, (really worked!) he did a pressure wash using 1/4cup TSP + 1/4 cup "Non-foaming" heavy duty spot remover (for carpet) per gallon of hot water. The wash was followed by a clear water rinse by flooding the floor with a hose and using a stiff broom and then a squeegee. When the floor had dried he did an etch operation using a muriatic acid solution. The etch was followed by another flood wash. He said the etch could be done with phosphoric acid also. The etch is required to provide some "tooth" to the concrete for the epoxy. The final step before putting down the epoxy coating was to use a large Shop-Vac to make sure there were no "nits" on the floor.
I used a similar approach on a new floor. That the floor was new didn’t mean it was clean. The construction equipment had leaked oil and grease as well as some pretty heavy tire scuff marks. I used the floor cleaner (don’t remember what brand) mixed up fairly strong with hot water and went over the floor with a "barn broom", giving it a good scrubbing I then rinsed the floor using a 3000# pressure washer with clean, soft water. Basically I used the pressure washer to "blow" all the soapy water out the door(s). I also discovered the "low spot" was not at the big door where it belonged, but right in the middle of the south wall where my cabinets and work bench would go. I repeated the wash/scrub and pressure rinse three times. I did not use the pressure washer with the etch. That was put on and let set for the specified time. The it was pressure washed out the door. This process was repeated twice. (This is a good place to remember your safety equipment and practices…The chemicals are hazardous and the equipment dangerous) The floor was let dry thoroughly (I have an overhead IR hanger heater). Them given a coat of two part epoxy. This took a full helmet and breathing air.(with the furnace turned off). The floor was made of high strength concrete with a high fiber content. After the final wash it looked like it needed a haircut. I figured that the epoxy would cover the fibers, but unfortunately it did cover them with epoxy and then pulled them up into a peaked shape. It was definitely a non skid floor. So, I thought maybe a second coat would fill in. It did, but not enough, so I went out and rented one of those big heavy, orbital floor sanders and did the whole floor. With the exception of the west end where I bring in the lawn equipment and have the machine tools, I gave the floor a third coat. It came out great, but that smooth floor is no place for sawdust, or wet shoes. The west end still has the two coats with a sanded surface. Every chemical was purchased at Lowe’s and after three years the floor still looks good. Although time consuming, there was nothing a single person could not do by themselves with the proper equipment. Neglecting the drying time it should be possible to do a 2000 to 3000 sql foot floor in less than a day. Give it two days of drying time after the wash, unless the building is heated and the atmosphere is extremely dry. It would still be well to err on the conservative side. This contractor swore by an epoxy coating product called "Epoxy Koat" by National Paint Supply (www.nationalpaintsupply.com)
I used the plain old two part light gray and silver ValSpar (TM) Garage Floor Epoxy Finish sold by Lowe’s. ( I just went out and looked at the cans). As I recall it runs around $38 a gallon. (two gallon pails half full) You do not work with this stuff in a closed room, or open flames. Wearing the proper breathing equipment is a *must* and a respirator will not cut it. you need a full hood with air provided. I used a squirrel cage fan with 1 1/2 inch hose for low pressure air. I was very impressed with the process and used it on a garage floor and on a patio floor under a big smoker/BBQ. I was able to get the "Pour-N-Restore" (www.pour-n-restore.com) through a "Sherwin-Williams" paint store. I ordered the epoxy coating through the National Paint Supply web site at about $80.00 for each two-gallon kit. They have a bunch of different colors. The "lady of the house" liked the blue (D80-2). It seemed a little "pricey", and is shipped via ground from N.J. But, it does have a ten year warrantee.
I don’t know the warranty of the ValSpar ™, and your color choice is light, or dark gray in gloss, or semi gloss. It has held up with one year of parking the cars in there with no lifting of paint and two years of shop work.. It looks pretty much like it did when I put it in with the exception of the area close to the welding bench <:-)) That would probably be fine except for all the cutting torch work I’ve done since painting. In the last couple of years I’ve gone through two sets of tanks on the torch and over 40# of wire through the Mig welder. I would also have a Tig welder, plasma torch, Lathe and floor mill, except the market tanked about the week before I was ready to send in the order <sigh Man, but there are times when I sure wished I had them. They’d save me a lot of time. The’d also save me the time of trying to explain to a machinist what I want. <:-)) Sometimes that is more difficult than making the part. Actually I had a plasma torch, but it wasn’t what I ordered. I wanted one of the big ones that requires shop air. The supplier thought I’d be happy with the little self contained unit. I wan’t, but I think I put 20 plus hours on it before they finally took it back. It did great on thin stuff including aluminum (and cast, which a torch can’t do), but it fell kinda short on the heavy I-beams and boiler plate<:-)) By the time they decided I really did know what I needed I told them to forget it as I’d already done the major work with the torch. Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member) www.rogerhalstead.com N833R World’s oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -A major caution: When you use muriatic acid solution to do an etch, be really careful! Get everything off of the floor. Put a large fan in the garage door sucking fresh air through and wear a respirator with the correct filters. I did a small area and then went out and rented a "hurricane fan" from a local tool rental. The finished floor looks great. J Does anybody know how to remove or at least diminish oil stains in a concrete floor? At the new house, the half of the garage that is going to become airplane shop has a fair number of stains. There is no surface oil that has to be dealt with, so this is really just cosmetic, but… It would also be nice to paint the floor, but my impression is that that really can only be done to fresh, clean concrete, and this concrete is about 10 years old and not fresh. thanks! Ed Wischmeyer
What is "strong TSP?"
TSP is tri-sodium phosphate, more or less that active ingredient in detergents but without the fillers, perfumes, all that. It’s available at hardware stores. "Strong TSP" means that you mix it up in over-concentrated form. Ed Wischmeyer
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, I have tried a bunch of methods to remove oil from concrete floors with only limited success. Recently, I was doing a few hours of work with a group doing restorations on "round-engine" aircraft. There were areas on the floor where the drip pans had not been adequate over the years and there were oil stains in the concrete. The owner of the hangar decided to move everything out and lay down an epoxy floor (WHITE!). His contractor used a multi-step process before putting down the floor coating. He first used product called "Pour-N-Restore" to remove the oil BEFORE doing a pressure wash. When the Pour-n-Restore had done its job and the residue had been sucked up with a shop-vac, (really worked!) he did a pressure wash using 1/4cup TSP + 1/4 cup "Non-foaming" heavy duty spot remover (for carpet) per gallon of hot water. The wash was followed by a clear water rinse by flooding the floor with a hose and using a stiff broom and then a squeegee. When the floor had dried he did an etch operation using a muriatic acid solution. The etch was followed by another flood wash. He said the etch could be done with phosphoric acid also. The etch is required to provide some "tooth" to the concrete for the epoxy. The final step before putting down the epoxy coating was to use a large Shop-Vac to make sure there were no "nits" on the floor. This contractor swore by an epoxy coating product called "Epoxy Koat" by National Paint Supply (www.nationalpaintsupply.com) I was very impressed with the process and used it on a garage floor and on a patio floor under a big smoker/BBQ. I was able to get the "Pour-N-Restore" (www.pour-n-restore.com) through a "Sherwin-Williams" paint store. I ordered the epoxy coating through the National Paint Supply web site at about $80.00 for each two-gallon kit. They have a bunch of different colors. The "lady of the house" liked the blue (D80-2). It seemed a little "pricey", and is shipped via ground from N.J. But, it does have a ten year warrantee. A major caution: When you use muriatic acid solution to do an etch, be really careful! Get everything off of the floor. Put a large fan in the garage door sucking fresh air through and wear a respirator with the correct filters. I did a small area and then went out and rented a "hurricane fan" from a local tool rental. The finished floor looks great. J Does anybody know how to remove or at least diminish oil stains in a concrete floor? At the new house, the half of the garage that is going to become airplane shop has a fair number of stains. There is no surface oil that has to be dealt with, so this is really just cosmetic, but… It would also be nice to paint the floor, but my impression is that that really can only be done to fresh, clean concrete, and this concrete is about 10 years old and not fresh. thanks! Ed Wischmeyer
Try Klenztone products. I have been using them for years. I used Klenztone #1 to clean up a 40 year old wearhouse floor at a salt mine. Works perfectly. Very safe to use. Apply the Klenztone #1 and let it sit. I used a broom to help break up the deposits. Keep the floor wet with the Klenztone #1. I like to leave it on for as long as possible. When ready to remove, hose off and remove the residue with a wet vac. I perfer to use a pressure washer. Contact Mike Bruce at Industrial Repair Technology, 1035-D N.E. Jib Court, Lee’s Summit, Missouri 64064. Phone 816-795-1106 FAX 816-795-0211
Concrete Painting After removing the oil penetration headache. Wash the floor down with a Muriatic acid & water mixture. With good ventilation. Paint with Epoxy Concrete Paint. Mix the paint with a very light sand. In your working areas. Clean painted floors are slippery. Had my full time work shop hanger and car garage, painted with Epoxy Paint 22 years ago. Excellant surface yet, today. Epoxy Resin is one of the better adhesives for bonding broken concrete back togeather. Larry Fitzgerald
Hello, I have tried a bunch of methods to remove oil from concrete floors with only limited success. Recently, I was doing a few hours of work with a group doing restorations on "round-engine" aircraft. There were areas on the floor where the drip pans had not been adequate over the years and there were oil stains in the concrete. The owner of the hangar decided to move everything out and lay down an epoxy floor (WHITE!). His contractor used a multi-step process before putting down the floor coating. He first used product called "Pour-N-Restore" to remove the oil BEFORE doing a pressure wash. When the Pour-n-Restore had done its job and the residue had been sucked up with a shop-vac, (really worked!) he did a pressure wash using 1/4cup TSP + 1/4 cup "Non-foaming" heavy duty spot remover (for carpet) per gallon of hot water. The wash was followed by a clear water rinse by flooding the floor with a hose and using a stiff broom and then a squeegee. When the floor had dried he did an etch operation using a muriatic acid solution. The etch was followed by another flood wash. He said the etch could be done with phosphoric acid also. The etch is required to provide some "tooth" to the concrete for the epoxy. The final step before putting down the epoxy coating was to use a large Shop-Vac to make sure there were no "nits" on the floor. This contractor swore by an epoxy coating product called "Epoxy Koat" by National Paint Supply (www.nationalpaintsupply.com) I was very impressed with the process and used it on a garage floor and on a patio floor under a big smoker/BBQ. I was able to get the "Pour-N-Restore" (www.pour-n-restore.com) through a "Sherwin-Williams" paint store. I ordered the epoxy coating through the National Paint Supply web site at about $80.00 for each two-gallon kit. They have a bunch of different colors. The "lady of the house" liked the blue (D80-2). It seemed a little "pricey", and is shipped via ground from N.J. But, it does have a ten year warrantee. A major caution: When you use muriatic acid solution to do an etch, be really careful! Get everything off of the floor. Put a large fan in the garage door sucking fresh air through and wear a respirator with the correct filters. I did a small area and then went out and rented a "hurricane fan" from a local tool rental. The finished floor looks great. J
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anybody know how to remove or at least diminish oil stains in a concrete floor? At the new house, the half of the garage that is going to become airplane shop has a fair number of stains. There is no surface oil that has to be dealt with, so this is really just cosmetic, but… It would also be nice to paint the floor, but my impression is that that really can only be done to fresh, clean concrete, and this concrete is about 10 years old and not fresh. thanks! Ed Wischmeyer
natural steps, 20 metres might be 24. It can overcome the problem of inaccuracy by trying to "stretch" your natural step. <<< Read the last sentence in the snip. That’s exactly the point I’m making in the other thread. So, no, I’m not the only one on Earth that believes this.
The military, since it marches in unison, teaches everyone to use a 30-inch pace, and practices until everyone stops thinking about it and just does it. I’ve been out for nearly 20 years, and I can still get within an inch of 10 yards at 12 paces. –Blair "And within 10 yards of the cup from 12 paces…"
I think a yard stick might make thing easier.
Thanks everyone; I wasn’t trying to imply that I’d invented the idea. :-) I was trying to point out to someone else that it’s pretty darn common for golfers to do so . . .
Doug, I know that it’s common, but I don’t agree that it’s always the most accurate way of measuring. To quote Colin Wilson earlier: There’s also an old orienteering technique whereby you work out how many natural steps it takes to cover a set distance (good orienteers know accurately how many times they put *one* foot down over 100 metres). If you measure out exactly 10 metres, you might find it’s 12 of your natural steps, 20 metres might be 24. It can overcome the problem of inaccuracy by trying to "stretch" your natural step. <<< Read the last sentence in the snip. That’s exactly the point I’m making in the other thread. So, no, I’m not the only one on Earth that believes this. Chin Bae — http://www.mentorsportstech.com
Do you use a stride that equals one yard when marking off a distance on the course (or one meter, if you’re in a metric world)?
Thanks everyone; I wasn’t trying to imply that I’d invented the idea. :-) I was trying to point out to someone else that it’s pretty darn common for golfers to do so . . . Doug — ___, Doug Massey, ASIC Digital Logic Designer o IBM Microelectronics Division, Burlington, Vermont | | Phone: (802)769-7095 t/l: 446-7095 fax: x6752 | / | . My homepage: http://doug.obscurestuff.com (|)
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Do you use a stride that equals one yard when marking off a distance on the course (or one meter, if you’re in a metric world)? My stride is just a bit less than one yard; I’ve learned to stretch it just a bit to make it a yard. I calibrated this stretch many years ago by marching between markers and making sure that there are 50 of these stretched-steps between the 150-yard and 100-yard markes, for example. I still check it once or twice a year, in case I start shrinking. :-) That way, I can go up to my ball, take 13 of these steps to get to the 150-yard marker, and know that I’m 163 yards to the middle of the green. Am I the only one that does this? Doug
If you are really clever you can shorten your stride when measuring your drives – that way you can easliy hit it over 300 ‘yards’. Seriously though, most of the good players that I know do this with a yardage book. However you can look a real twit if you pace off the yardage and then fluff the shot completely.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – message Do you use a stride that equals one yard when marking off a distance on the course (or one meter, if you’re in a metric world)? My stride is just a bit less than one yard; I’ve learned to stretch it just a bit to make it a yard. I calibrated this stretch many years ago by marching between markers and making sure that there are 50 of these stretched-steps between the 150-yard and 100-yard markes, for example. I still check it once or twice a year, in case I start shrinking. :-) That way, I can go up to my ball, take 13 of these steps to get to the 150-yard marker, and know that I’m 163 yards to the middle of the green. Am I the only one that does this? Doug — Wow, I had never thought of this. Since I am six feet tall when I wear my golf shoes (though only 5′ 11" in just socks) I measure exactly two yards from head to toe. To measure my distances on the golf course I have been lying down repeatedly and counting out two yard increments. I’ve been getting really wet lately.
Mike’s telling the truth….it’s why our round took six hours. ; -Greg
Wow, I had never thought of this. Since I am six feet tall when I wear my golf shoes (though only 5′ 11" in just socks) I measure exactly two yards from head to toe. To measure my distances on the golf course I have been lying down repeatedly and counting out two yard increments. I’ve been getting really wet lately. Mike’s telling the truth….it’s why our round took six hours.
It would be quicker if you were 1 yard in circumference.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Do you use a stride that equals one yard when marking off a distance on the course (or one meter, if you’re in a metric world)? My stride is just a bit less than one yard; I’ve learned to stretch it just a bit to make it a yard. I calibrated this stretch many years ago by marching between markers and making sure that there are 50 of these stretched-steps between the 150-yard and 100-yard markes, for example. I still check it once or twice a year, in case I start shrinking. :-) That way, I can go up to my ball, take 13 of these steps to get to the 150-yard marker, and know that I’m 163 yards to the middle of the green. Am I the only one that does this? Doug
Well, there are at least 2 people who do it differently: me and the guy that posted this tip to rsg a few years ago. My natural stride is almost exactly 20% less than a yard. So when I pace off I count 1,2,3,4,5,5,6,7,8,9,10,10,11… Like you, I calibrate this to the markers as I walk down the fairway, and adjust. Usually, I’ll hit a pair of markers to check with before I have to begin the actual measurement. I used to goose-step, but I find this easier, and just as accurate. I don’t mind all you silly-walkers, though.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Do you use a stride that equals one yard when marking off a distance on the course (or one meter, if you’re in a metric world)? My stride is just a bit less than one yard; I’ve learned to stretch it just a bit to make it a yard. I calibrated this stretch many years ago by marching between markers and making sure that there are 50 of these stretched-steps between the 150-yard and 100-yard markes, for example. I still check it once or twice a year, in case I start shrinking. :-) That way, I can go up to my ball, take 13 of these steps to get to the 150-yard marker, and know that I’m 163 yards to the middle of the green. Am I the only one that does this? Doug
No, I use my Sand Wedge (it’s 35.5 inches long). I just lay it down at the 100-yard marker and flip it end over end until I get to my ball. I’m usually not too worried about a few inches here or there … I’m just not that good yet. If it’s busy on the course, I use my driver. 8 flips gets me ~10 yards. Ron
I spent a long time in the Army, and they "helped" me develop a 30 inch stride for marching. Well, 2 strides is 5 feet, and 12 strides <or when my left foot hits the ground 6 times is 10 yards. I occasionally check myself by walking it between a couple of yardage markers over 50 yards or so, and I’ MUCH more accurate at getting the distance then I am hitting the distance. I even use it in close to the green, put bag by the ball, stride off 1/2 the distance to the green, and then I have a better idea of what kind of shot I want to hit. It doesn’t take any time to speak of at all, and have never slowed down Pace of Play. Waiting for the new clubs with the integrated laser rangefinder, slope detector, wind measurement device built in…. Have a good one, Steve – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Do you use a stride that equals one yard when marking off a distance on the course (or one meter, if you’re in a metric world)? My stride is just a bit less than one yard; I’ve learned to stretch
I spent a long time in the Army,
I spent a long time in the Air Force–so I use a range finder. 
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Do you use a stride that equals one yard when marking off a distance on the course (or one meter, if you’re in a metric world)? My stride is just a bit less than one yard; I’ve learned to stretch it just a bit to make it a yard. I calibrated this stretch many years ago by marching between markers and making sure that there are 50 of these stretched-steps between the 150-yard and 100-yard markes, for example. I still check it once or twice a year, in case I start shrinking. :-) That way, I can go up to my ball, take 13 of these steps to get to the 150-yard marker, and know that I’m 163 yards to the middle of the green. Am I the only one that does this? Doug —
Wow, I had never thought of this. Since I am six feet tall when I wear my golf shoes (though only 5′ 11" in just socks) I measure exactly two yards from head to toe. To measure my distances on the golf course I have been lying down repeatedly and counting out two yard increments. I’ve been getting really wet lately. — Mike Bowen (for reply must edit email address)
Nope, common practise here! Although, we use metres. My pace is pretty close to a metre, I only get robbed when the ball comes up a foot short dead on line 
I finally found an advantage in using the English system. I don’t have to stretch another 3" in my pace!
Do you use a stride that equals one yard when marking off a distance on the course (or one meter, if you’re in a metric world)? My stride is just a bit less than one yard; I’ve learned to stretch it just a bit to make it a yard. I calibrated this stretch many years ago by marching between markers and making sure that there are 50 of these stretched-steps between the 150-yard and 100-yard markes, for example. I still check it once or twice a year, in case I start shrinking. :-) That way, I can go up to my ball, take 13 of these steps to get to the 150-yard marker, and know that I’m 163 yards to the middle of the green. Am I the only one that does this?
No. I stretch my 5′6" body for pacing purposes.
Then what? Convert those metres to something useable? 30 metres * 19 joules/parsec * 7.3 parsecs/horsepower(^2) etc. etc. ?
Find the fairway length in kilometres and the width in decimetres. Take the square root of the differential and multiply it by the number of hectares in the golf course and you’ve got the length of the shot in feet. Divide by three to get something useful in the USA. No, hang on … maybe that’s the NASA handicap system. — Cheers Colin Wilson RSG Roll Call: http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=wilsonc Trentham Golf Club: http://www.trenthamgolf.com
Wow, you can learn some really neat stuff on the Internet. One of these somebody will be telling us the earth is round. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Do you use a stride that equals one yard when marking off a distance on the course (or one meter, if you’re in a metric world)? My stride is just a bit less than one yard; I’ve learned to stretch it just a bit to make it a yard. I calibrated this stretch many years ago by marching between markers and making sure that there are 50 of these stretched-steps between the 150-yard and 100-yard markes, for example. I still check it once or twice a year, in case I start shrinking. :-) That way, I can go up to my ball, take 13 of these steps to get to the 150-yard marker, and know that I’m 163 yards to the middle of the green. Am I the only one that does this? Doug — ___, Doug Massey, ASIC Digital Logic Designer o IBM Microelectronics Division, Burlington, Vermont | | Phone: (802)769-7095 t/l: 446-7095 fax: x6752 | / | . My homepage: http://doug.obscurestuff.com (|)
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – That way, I can go up to my ball, take 13 of these steps to get to the 150-yard marker, and know that I’m 163 yards to the middle of the green. Am I the only one that does this? No, I do it all the time. Being tall I have little problem with my pace being close to a metre. Sometimes I need to "understretch"! There’s also an old orienteering technique whereby you work out how many natural steps it takes to cover a set distance (good orienteers know accurately how many times they put *one* foot down over 100 metres). If you measure out exactly 10 metres, you might find it’s 12 of your natural steps, 20 metres might be 24. It can overcome the problem of inaccuracy by trying to "stretch" your natural step. You can also use a combination, walk naturally for say 36 steps = 30 metres, then "stretch pace" the balance.
Then what ? Convert those metres to something useable ? 30 metres * 19 joules/parsec * 7.3 parsecs/horsepower(^2) etc. etc. ? One other advantage of this technique is it’s less obvious what you’re doing.
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nope, my stride is about the same, just a bit longer than normal and I am at 1 yard – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Do you use a stride that equals one yard when marking off a distance on the course (or one meter, if you’re in a metric world)? My stride is just a bit less than one yard; I’ve learned to stretch it just a bit to make it a yard. I calibrated this stretch many years ago by marching between markers and making sure that there are 50 of these stretched-steps between the 150-yard and 100-yard markes, for example. I still check it once or twice a year, in case I start shrinking. :-) That way, I can go up to my ball, take 13 of these steps to get to the 150-yard marker, and know that I’m 163 yards to the middle of the green. Am I the only one that does this? Doug — ___, Doug Massey, ASIC Digital Logic Designer o IBM Microelectronics Division, Burlington, Vermont | | Phone: (802)769-7095 t/l: 446-7095 fax: x6752 | / | . My homepage: http://doug.obscurestuff.com (|)
Do you use a stride that equals one yard when marking off a distance on the course (or one meter, if you’re in a metric world)?
Man, pacing was soooo last century. You mean you don’t carry your handheld GPS with you when you golf?
With my short little legs, I have to take fairly long strides to pace of yardage, but like you, I’ve learned to calibrate it fairly accurately. But calibrating my stride is the easy part. Calibrating my golf shots is a whole ‘nother matter. If I was good enough to dial in a 153 yard shot, instead of 155, I’d probably be more concerned about my strides being accurate. It helps having a range finder (for practice rounds, of course, which is what 99.9% of my rounds are). Randy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Do you use a stride that equals one yard when marking off a distance on the course (or one meter, if you’re in a metric world)? My stride is just a bit less than one yard; I’ve learned to stretch it just a bit to make it a yard. I calibrated this stretch many years ago by marching between markers and making sure that there are 50 of these stretched-steps between the 150-yard and 100-yard markes, for example. I still check it once or twice a year, in case I start shrinking. :-) That way, I can go up to my ball, take 13 of these steps to get to the 150-yard marker, and know that I’m 163 yards to the middle of the green. Am I the only one that does this? Doug — ___, Doug Massey, ASIC Digital Logic Designer o IBM Microelectronics Division, Burlington, Vermont | | Phone: (802)769-7095 t/l: 446-7095 fax: x6752 | / | . My homepage: http://doug.obscurestuff.com (|)
That way, I can go up to my ball, take 13 of these steps to get to the 150-yard marker, and know that I’m 163 yards to the middle of the green. Am I the only one that does this?
No, I do it all the time. Being tall I have little problem with my pace being close to a metre. Sometimes I need to "understretch"! There’s also an old orienteering technique whereby you work out how many natural steps it takes to cover a set distance (good orienteers know accurately how many times they put *one* foot down over 100 metres). If you measure out exactly 10 metres, you might find it’s 12 of your natural steps, 20 metres might be 24. It can overcome the problem of inaccuracy by trying to "stretch" your natural step. You can also use a combination, walk naturally for say 36 steps = 30 metres, then "stretch pace" the balance. One other advantage of this technique is it’s less obvious what you’re doing. — Cheers Colin Wilson RSG Roll Call: http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=wilsonc Trentham Golf Club: http://www.trenthamgolf.com
Do you use a stride that equals one yard when marking off a distance on the course (or one meter, if you’re in a metric world)? My stride is just a bit less than one yard; I’ve learned to stretch it just a bit to make it a yard. I calibrated this stretch many years ago by marching between markers and making sure that there are 50 of these stretched-steps between the 150-yard and 100-yard markes, for example. I still check it once or twice a year, in case I start shrinking. :-) That way, I can go up to my ball, take 13 of these steps to get to the 150-yard marker, and know that I’m 163 yards to the middle of the green. Am I the only one that does this?
Reminds me of a comment a girl said to me years ago while dancing "Don’t take such big steps, you’ll split my knickers"
My stride is just a bit less than one yard; I’ve learned to stretch it just a bit to make it a yard. That way, I can go up to my ball, take 13 of these steps to get to the 150-yard marker, and know that I’m 163 yards to the middle of the green. Am I the only one that does this?
Wow, pacing off distances! I think you might be onto something there! Wait till the guys on Tour hear about this.
(Douglas T. (Doug) Massey ) deemed themselves worthy to grace rec.sport.golf with his/her presence, and uttered…..: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Do you use a stride that equals one yard when marking off a distance on the course (or one meter, if you’re in a metric world)? My stride is just a bit less than one yard; I’ve learned to stretch it just a bit to make it a yard. I calibrated this stretch many years ago by marching between markers and making sure that there are 50 of these stretched-steps between the 150-yard and 100-yard markes, for example. I still check it once or twice a year, in case I start shrinking. :-) That way, I can go up to my ball, take 13 of these steps to get to the 150-yard marker, and know that I’m 163 yards to the middle of the green. Am I the only one that does this? Doug
Nope, common practise here! Although, we use metres. My pace is pretty close to a metre, I only get robbed when the ball comes up a foot short dead on line Of course, you have to pay attention to the card. Are those m arkers to the middle? or to the front? — Mad’Doug Trentham Camp GC, New Zealand RSG Roll Call: http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=stokesd Please remove the apostrophe (‘) to email me
Do you use a stride that equals one yard when marking off a distance on the course (or one meter, if you’re in a metric world)? My stride is just a bit less than one yard; I’ve learned to stretch it just a bit to make it a yard. I calibrated this stretch many years ago by marching between markers and making sure that there are 50 of these stretched-steps between the 150-yard and 100-yard markes, for example. I still check it once or twice a year, in case I start shrinking. :-) That way, I can go up to my ball, take 13 of these steps to get to the 150-yard marker, and know that I’m 163 yards to the middle of the green. Am I the only one that does this? Doug — ___, Doug Massey, ASIC Digital Logic Designer o IBM Microelectronics Division, Burlington, Vermont | | Phone: (802)769-7095 t/l: 446-7095 fax: x6752 | / | . My homepage: http://doug.obscurestuff.com (|)
Time to set a filter so that No WEBTV stupidity comes through. Perhaps there is some rational users out there. Sorry if that upsets those of you who have a brain, but this idiot is pretty much it. Chris S. <Snakeskin Plonked
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get off your sorry ass piece of shit computer and go back and finish high school. you dumbass looser!
http://www.ecnet.net/users/gas52r0/Jay/spelling/looselose.html -Stephan Lemonjello Jr.
yeah, i was involved with the womens team, how do you think i met your mother and you were born?
good joke by the way-eagle turd 4 life, ooohhh took ya a while for that one i bet
I WILL NOT EVER RETURN TO THIS DG…
We live in hope… HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
"you hear maniacal laughter in the distance…" Cheers Nuno Souto
<clip …IF I WERE EVER TO POST AGAIN IN THIS GOLF GROUP FOR LOSERS ( YES, THAT’S YOU ) MAYBE YOU WILL LISTEN TO SOMEONE WHO KNOWS WHAT THEIR TALKING ABOUT WHEN IT COMES TO GOLF…I AM NOT GOING TO WASTE MY TIME HANGING AROUND IN A GROUP THAT CONSISTS OF A BUNCH WEEKEND, ARMCHAIR WANNA-BE-GOLFERS <clip I WILL NOT EVER RETURN TO THIS DG…I’M ALREADY BORED WITH EVERYONE !!!!…
Promise? ___ o ’ | / . "Someone likes every shot" bk Troll intolerant. I took the RSG 2002 Pledge. Ignore them and they’ll go away.
Oooooo…college golfer ( not impressed ) I’m shaking in my golf shoes…did you even make an attempt to try-out for the mens team, or was there only a position open with the girls ??…community college doesn’t count you know.
<Drivel snipped. Dude, I’m no fan of Tiger Woods either. But.. were those racist comments really necessary?
snip. Just when you think the world is free of webtv, some jackass comes out of the woodwork and reminds us that they’re still here. Scott
I AM NOT GOING TO WASTE MY TIME HANGING AROUND IN A GROUP THAT CONSISTS OF A BUNCH WEEKEND, ARMCHAIR WANNA-BE-GOLFERS
Best news I’ve heard all week.
WOW, the dollar store huh, do they except your food stamps? Let me just say that i play college golf right now and would woop your sorry ass any day of the week. Call me an armchair golfer. So sit their and write your 2 cents, cause it makes you feel like a big man to critisize a person whos jock you couldnt live up to holding. Talk about his parents and make fun, just because they are not related to each other like yours. And when your sitting on your boyfriends lap tonight, thinking about what a great person you are, cause you went on a site and made fun of someone who could buy and sell your sorry ass, think about this, no one likes you, get a job , get off your sorry ass piece of shit computer and go back and finish high school. you dumbass looser!
TO ALL THE ASS-KISSING FANS OF TIGER WOODS : WELL..WELL..WELL…WHAT HAPPENED TO YOUR " HERO " ???…FIRST, HE BARELY MAKES THE CUT…THEN HE SHOOTS A PISS-ASS 75 IN THE FINAL ROUND. YES, HE IS A TRUE LEGEND !! I THOUGHT HIS LITTLE CANDY-ASS WAS GOING TO START CRYING AS HE MADE HIS WAY UP THE 18TH HOLE…POOR BABY !!!…I GUESS HIS MOM CAN BAKE HIM SOME COOKIES OR MAKE SOME FRIED CHICKEN AND WATERMELON AND AFTER HIS LITTLE BELLY IS FULL, HE CAN WATCH CARTOONS AND HAVE HIS DAD TUCK HIM INTO BED…I GUESS, SHIT-FOR-BRAINS ( DO I DARE SAY ? ) CHOKED LIKE A LITTLE GIRL !!!!…SO, HERE I SIT ( VERY HAPPY ) WITH MY WEBTV, WRITING TO A BUNCH OF LOSERS WITH THEIR OVER-PRICED PC’S ( DON’T CRY, YOU CAN ALL NOW JUMP ON THE MIKE WEIR BANDWAGON AND ACT LIKE HE HAS BEEN YOUR FAVORITE FOR YEARS, HAVE TO PULL FOR THE CURRENT WINNER, THAT’S WHAT YOU ALL DO RIGHT ??? )…IF I WERE EVER TO POST AGAIN IN THIS GOLF GROUP FOR LOSERS ( YES, THAT’S YOU ) MAYBE YOU WILL LISTEN TO SOMEONE WHO KNOWS WHAT THEIR TALKING ABOUT WHEN IT COMES TO GOLF…I AM NOT GOING TO WASTE MY TIME HANGING AROUND IN A GROUP THAT CONSISTS OF A BUNCH WEEKEND, ARMCHAIR WANNA-BE-GOLFERS THAT SHOULD SPEND THEIR TIME LOOKING FOR THEIR LITTLE DICKS, INSTEAD OF TRYING TO CONVINCE THE WORLD THAT TIGER WOODS IS A ( COUGH ) GOLFING LEGEND…WE ALL SAW HOW A SUPPOSED LEGEND PLAYS THE GAME OF GOLF…MAYBE HE NEEDS TO MOVE TO THE LADIES TEES. FUNNY THAT HE WON’T BE PLAYING AGAINST ANNIKA AT THE COLONIAL…IF YOU DON’T KNOW ALREADY, HE’S NOT PLAYING ANNIKA BECAUSE HE’S AFRAID OF HER…PLAIN AND SIMPLE !! I THINK TIGER NEEDS TO STICK TO MINATURE GOLF, SO HE CAN HANDLE THE PRESSURE AND NOT CHOKE AGAIN. I KNOW THAT THE THINGS I’VE SAID ABOUT YOUR " HERO " HURTS DEEPS AND IS MENTALLY BOTHERSOME…BUT…WHO CARES !!!!! I WILL NOT EVER RETURN TO THIS DG…I’M ALREADY BORED WITH EVERYONE !!!!…SO DON’T CRY TOO HARD ABOUT TIGER…I HEAR THE DOLLAR STORE IS HAVING A SPECIAL ON TISSUES…BUY A LOT…BEING TIGER’S ASS-KISSING FANS, YOU WILL NEED A HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
It’ll be in Myrtle Beach tomorrow. Tom Watson, John Daly, Hootie’s Blowfish, etc. Is it worth a visit? Can you take your camera?
The Monday after The Masters that’s far more intriguing to me is the one at Augusta National. Each year, there’s a lottery among members of the media. 40 media folks who are there to cover the tournament get randomly selected to play the course on Monday to Sunday’s pins. The one time I was there in ‘98, I knew of this possibility, so I packed my clubs in the trunk, just in case. Then I prayed and prayed and prayed and prayed and prayed and prayed and prayed at every spare moment, and then I prayed some more. But alas, it did no good. Or maybe it did. Maybe God spared me the embarrassment. We played elsewhere in Augusta that day, and I played like a one-legged blind man. A dear friend of mine was there in ‘96 to cover the tournament. He didn’t know about the lottery at the time, so he didn’t bring his clubs. Then, on Sunday morning, the lottery winners were announced, and he was selected. His first time there, he got picked. Old-timers like Frank Luksa of the Dallas Morning News who’d been making the annual pilgrimage to Augusta for 30 odd years, never to have been selected, wanted to strangle him. As my friend told me this story, I asked, "…and I’m guessing they don’t have RENTAL CLUBS at Augusta National." Uhhhh, no, they don’t. So off he went around noon on Sunday down Washington Road in search of a golf shop that might be open on the Sabbath. He found one that deals in used equipment, mostly cheap component crap that people are selling under consignment. He explained his situation and sweet-talked the guy into loaning him a set for the day, probably putting down some kind of deposit. Then he headed to a nearby K-Mart, where he bought a cheap set of golf shoes that didn’t fit his Fred Flintstone feet, picked up a dozen Top Flite X-outs and a bag of tees. That’s right. My friend played Augusta National with rented component clubs, a $29 pair of ill-fitting K-Mart golf shoes and Top Flite X-outs. Blasphemy. But it gets better. Before heading to Augusta, he had previously arranged for a Monday afternoon job interview in Atlanta at CNN. The morning came, and there was frost on the ground, delaying everyone’s tee times. He pretty much knew he was screwed one way or another. He played the front nine, and when it came time to make the turn, being the man of his word that he is, he quit. That’s right — he had a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to play The National and walked off the course as his group was about to make the turn to the famous back nine. He had to keep his commitment and drive to Atlanta for that job interview. Un-freaking-believable. Hell, if I’d been the guy interviewing him, I’d have discounted him as a job candidate out of hand — the guy is obviously nuts. When he got to Atlanta, the fellow he was scheduled to speak with had been called away to a last-minute meeting, and couldn’t make the appointment. Screwed, indeed. Incidentally, when he found the greens that morning, even still moist from the melting frost, even quicker than he had imagined, he commented to his caddy about how unbelievably fast they were. The caddy just shrugged and laughed, saying, "Heck, these aren’t fast. They’re wet. And they haven’t been mowed since night before last!" Two years later when I was there with him, he tried his sweet-talking skills with the folks running Augusta National’s media center, explaining how he’d had to forfeit his back nine privileges two years earlier, and begged for a "mulligan." Eyes glazed over, they looked at him like he was nuts. See? I was right. Randy
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It’ll be in Myrtle Beach tomorrow. Tom Watson, John Daly, Hootie’s Blowfish, etc. Is it worth a visit? Can you take your camera?
Didn’t mean for it to be a segue into this…..
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The Monday after The Masters that’s far more intriguing to me is the one at Augusta National. Each year, there’s a lottery among members of the media. 40 media folks who are there to cover the tournament get randomly selected to play the course on Monday to Sunday’s pins. The one time I was there in ‘98, I knew of this possibility, so I packed my clubs in the trunk, just in case. Then I prayed and prayed and prayed and prayed and prayed and prayed and prayed at every spare moment, and then I prayed some more. But alas, it did no good. Or maybe it did. Maybe God spared me the embarrassment. We played elsewhere in Augusta that day, and I played like a one-legged blind man. A dear friend of mine was there in ‘96 to cover the tournament. He didn’t know about the lottery at the time, so he didn’t bring his clubs. Then, on Sunday morning, the lottery winners were announced, and he was selected. His first time there, he got picked. Old-timers like Frank Luksa of the Dallas Morning News who’d been making the annual pilgrimage to Augusta for 30 odd years, never to have been selected, wanted to strangle him. As my friend told me this story, I asked, "…and I’m guessing they don’t have RENTAL CLUBS at Augusta National." Uhhhh, no, they don’t. So off he went around noon on Sunday down Washington Road in search of a golf shop that might be open on the Sabbath. He found one that deals in used equipment, mostly cheap component crap that people are selling under consignment. He explained his situation and sweet-talked the guy into loaning him a set for the day, probably putting down some kind of deposit. Then he headed to a nearby K-Mart, where he bought a cheap set of golf shoes that didn’t fit his Fred Flintstone feet, picked up a dozen Top Flite X-outs and a bag of tees. That’s right. My friend played Augusta National with rented component clubs, a $29 pair of ill-fitting K-Mart golf shoes and Top Flite X-outs. Blasphemy. But it gets better. Before heading to Augusta, he had previously arranged for a Monday afternoon job interview in Atlanta at CNN. The morning came, and there was frost on the ground, delaying everyone’s tee times. He pretty much knew he was screwed one way or another. He played the front nine, and when it came time to make the turn, being the man of his word that he is, he quit. That’s right — he had a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to play The National and walked off the course as his group was about to make the turn to the famous back nine. He had to keep his commitment and drive to Atlanta for that job interview. Un-freaking-believable. Hell, if I’d been the guy interviewing him, I’d have discounted him as a job candidate out of hand — the guy is obviously nuts. When he got to Atlanta, the fellow he was scheduled to speak with had been called away to a last-minute meeting, and couldn’t make the appointment. Screwed, indeed. Incidentally, when he found the greens that morning, even still moist from the melting frost, even quicker than he had imagined, he commented to his caddy about how unbelievably fast they were. The caddy just shrugged and laughed, saying, "Heck, these aren’t fast. They’re wet. And they haven’t been mowed since night before last!" Two years later when I was there with him, he tried his sweet-talking skills with the folks running Augusta National’s media center, explaining how he’d had to forfeit his back nine privileges two years earlier, and begged for a "mulligan." Eyes glazed over, they looked at him like he was nuts. See? I was right. Randy It’ll be in Myrtle Beach tomorrow. Tom Watson, John Daly, Hootie’s Blowfish, etc. Is it worth a visit? Can you take your camera?
Two years later when I was there with him, he tried his sweet-talking skills with the folks running Augusta National’s media center, explaining how he’d had to forfeit his back nine privileges two years earlier, and begged for a "mulligan." Eyes glazed over, they looked at him like he was nuts.
Hypocrites. If Bobby Jones had heard that story about bagging the back nine at Augusta National to keep a commitment, he’d have lent the guy his sticks. –Blair "Or called the hospital for him, at least."
Now on that I agree with Blair on. Bob Jones would have found a way for the guy to play the back – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Two years later when I was there with him, he tried his sweet-talking skills with the folks running Augusta National’s media center, explaining how he’d had to forfeit his back nine privileges two years earlier, and begged for a "mulligan." Eyes glazed over, they looked at him like he was nuts. Hypocrites. If Bobby Jones had heard that story about bagging the back nine at Augusta National to keep a commitment, he’d have lent the guy his sticks. –Blair "Or called the hospital for him, at least."
I’ve have a pair of golf shoes that have lasted many years (used to have spikes in them) are still comfortable and waterproof, but the threads on the bottoms have suffered. Has anyone had them resoled ?
I’ve have a pair of golf shoes that have lasted many years (used to have spikes in them) are still comfortable and waterproof, but the threads on the bottoms have suffered. Has anyone had them resoled ?
I went the other way once… had a pair of business black wingtips that needed soles and heels. I had it done, with spikes added, and they were the most comfortable golf shoes I ever wore. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
What kind of Adidas Doug? I’m looking to buy a new pair on Thursday and like the look sof some Adidas I saw today. I hear alot of good things about the Footjoy but hate the look of them! I ahve Oakleys right now which are extreamly comfy, so now I want a pair that look smarter. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – time to get me some new golf shoes… what does everyone wear or recommend???? nike?…addidas?…footjoy?…reebok? e: woodsienATbigfootDOTcom I’ve tried them all. The last 2 pairs: adidas. Most comfortable shoes ever. Others have told me the same thing. — Doug Main "It’s never too late to have a happy childhood."
i’m guessing the addidas pair he’s talking about are the top of the range one’s that alot of the pro’s seem to be wearing. dont underestimate the footjoys. may not have the designer look of the others but are extremely comfortable. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What kind of Adidas Doug? I’m looking to buy a new pair on Thursday and like the look sof some Adidas I saw today. I hear alot of good things about the Footjoy but hate the look of them! I ahve Oakleys right now which are extreamly comfy, so now I want a pair that look smarter. time to get me some new golf shoes… what does everyone wear or recommend???? nike?…addidas?…footjoy?…reebok? e: woodsienATbigfootDOTcom I’ve tried them all. The last 2 pairs: adidas. Most comfortable shoes ever. Others have told me the same thing. — Doug Main "It’s never too late to have a happy childhood."
Well, I’m now the owner of a pair of Adidas Z-Traxion shoes…white with black stripes. I like the ‘3-stripe’ look – funny, when I was at primary school the Adidas 3-Stripes were the cheapest and daggiest shoes in the world – now I just paid proper dollars for the look I’ve only worn them for 30 mins in my house so far but they seem comfy and I don’t feel any friction which might lead to rubbing and/or break in period. 9 holes tommorow, 18 on Friday (all walking) so I will know soon enough. Nick.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i’m guessing the addidas pair he’s talking about are the top of the range one’s that alot of the pro’s seem to be wearing. dont underestimate the footjoys. may not have the designer look of the others but are extremely comfortable. What kind of Adidas Doug? I’m looking to buy a new pair on Thursday and like the look sof some Adidas I saw today. I hear alot of good things about the Footjoy but hate the look of them! I ahve Oakleys right now which are extreamly comfy, so now I want a pair that look smarter. time to get me some new golf shoes… what does everyone wear or recommend???? nike?…addidas?…footjoy?…reebok? e: woodsienATbigfootDOTcom I’ve tried them all. The last 2 pairs: adidas. Most comfortable shoes ever. Others have told me the same thing. — Doug Main "It’s never too late to have a happy childhood."
dont underestimate the footjoys. may not have the designer look of the others but are extremely comfortable.
Where did the standard saddle oxford style originate anyway?
Long ago there was a kingdom called Style. Within Style, there was the town of Oxford. Oxford was founded by Jeremiah Saddle. Jeremiah’s first (and oldest) son was named Standard. Hope this clears up the issue for you. WW — "My teacher said she’s tired of trying…"-Ralph Wiggum
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At least for me. They are so easy to walk in. Not extremely stiff like most traditional golf shoes but sturdy enough to hold the weight of a swing. I can’t wait to get them out on the course. Now if they will last a good 2 years I’ll be happy. John
At least for me. They are so easy to walk in. Not extremely stiff like most traditional golf shoes but sturdy enough to hold the weight of a swing. I can’t wait to get them out on the course. Now if they will last a good 2 years I’ll be happy.
If you need arch support (medium to high arch), I’ve not seen any other golf shoes that come close. The older of my two pairs are just about 2 years old. They don’t quite look like new but they fit like new and look very presentable. My other pair is a few months newer and they do look almost like new. I alternate weeks wearing them and keep cedar shoe trees in them any time they’re not on my feet. I expect to get five years of weekly usage out of the two pairs. I just bought a black pair and a brown pair of Contour "Shop" shoes to wear to work. They are virtually the same except for having a Rockport-style waffle sole on them. They are the same price as the golf shoes and it took me less than a week to get them special order from a local golf store. Brent Hutto