Hey, this is to anyone traveling through central Florida Easter weekend. If your itinerary includes the Clerbrook, Leesburg, Orlando area, check out our rally at Clerbrook RV and Golf Resort. We have room for a few more attendees. This should be a good get together of folks sharing the same things, i.e. camping. To check out the rally location click on the link provided; http://www.dreaves.com/1cfcg.htm There is a map link on the site but I can give the general location. Park is Clerbrook Golf and RV Resort. Location is about 6 miles north of Clermont Florida on Hwy 27. Clermont is located on Hwy 50 in central Florida. Hwy 27 and 50 intersect at Clermont. The 18 hole goof course is located in the park. There are three camping areas arranged around the course. Crossroads is the portion most used for rallies and is separate from the rest of the park. There is a wealth of info on the site but, in a nutshell, here is the gist of it. Camper cost per site (Rally Price): $16.00 plus $1.44 tax per night 1st check-in day is Thursday Checkout is Sunday Come in any day, only pay for days used. No additional charges, period. There is a Winery located just a couple miles south of the park. They have tours and wine tasting 7 days a week. The grapes are grown on site and those who checked it out say it ain’t bad wine <g. Here is the link; http://www.lakeridgewinery.com/ Please give the rally website a look. Check it out and all the links provided. Please email me personally if you are planning to attend. The park is looking to me for a list of those expected. If you wish to use a screen name for privacy purposes, please let me know and we will respect your wishes. This should be a fun time for all attending. Hugh
Correction, should have read; – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey, this is to anyone traveling through central Florida Easter weekend. If your itinerary includes the <Clermont, Leesburg, Orlando area, check out our rally at Clerbrook RV and Golf Resort. We have room for a few more attendees. This should be a good get together of folks sharing the same things, i.e. camping. To check out the rally location click on the link provided; http://www.dreaves.com/1cfcg.htm There is a map link on the site but I can give the general location. Park is Clerbrook Golf and RV Resort. Location is about 6 miles north of Clermont Florida on Hwy 27. Clermont is located on Hwy 50 in central Florida. Hwy 27 and 50 intersect at Clermont. The 18 hole goof course is located in the park. There are three camping areas arranged around the course. Crossroads is the portion most used for rallies and is separate from the rest of the park. There is a wealth of info on the site but, in a nutshell, here is the gist of it. Camper cost per site (Rally Price): $16.00 plus $1.44 tax per night 1st check-in day is Thursday Checkout is Sunday Come in any day, only pay for days used. No additional charges, period. There is a Winery located just a couple miles south of the park. They have tours and wine tasting 7 days a week. The grapes are grown on site and those who checked it out say it ain’t bad wine <g. Here is the link; http://www.lakeridgewinery.com/ Please give the rally website a look. Check it out and all the links provided. Please email me personally if you are planning to attend. The park is looking to me for a list of those expected. If you wish to use a screen name for privacy purposes, please let me know and we will respect your wishes. This should be a fun time for all attending. Hugh
Hey, this is to anyone traveling through central Florida Easter weekend. If your itinerary includes the Clermont, Leesburg, Orlando area, check out our rally at Clerbrook RV and Golf Resort. We have room for a few more attendees. This should be a good get together of folks sharing the same things, i.e. camping. To check out the rally location click on the link provided; http://www.dreaves.com/1cfcg.htm There is a map link on the site but I can give the general location. Park is Clerbrook Golf and RV Resort. Location is about 6 miles north of Clermont Florida on Hwy 27. Clermont is located on Hwy 50 in central Florida. Hwy 27 and 50 intersect at Clermont. The 18 hole goof course is located in the park. There are three camping areas arranged around the course. Crossroads is the portion most used for rallies and is separate from the rest of the park. There is a wealth of info on the site but, in a nutshell, here is the gist of it. Camper cost per site (Rally Price): $16.00 plus $1.44 tax per night 1st check-in day is Thursday Checkout is Sunday Come in any day, only pay for days used. No additional charges, period. There is a Winery located just a couple miles south of the park. They have tours and wine tasting 7 days a week. The grapes are grown on site and those who checked it out say it ain’t bad wine <g. Here is the link; http://www.lakeridgewinery.com/ Please give the rally website a look. Check it out and all the links provided. Please email me personally if you are planning to attend. The park is looking to me for a list of those expected. If you wish to use a screen name for privacy purposes, please let me know and we will respect your wishes. This should be a fun time for all attending. Hugh
Hey, this is to anyone traveling through central Florida Easter weekend. If your itinerary includes the Clermont, Leesburg, Orlando area, check out our rally at Clerbrook RV and Golf Resort. We have room for a few more attendees. This should be a good get together of folks sharing the same things, i.e. camping. To check out the rally location click on the link provided; http://www.dreaves.com/1cfcg.htm There is a map link on the site but I can give the general location. Park is Clerbrook Golf and RV Resort. Location is about 6 miles north of Clermont Florida on Hwy 27. Clermont is located on Hwy 50 in central Florida. Hwy 27 and 50 intersect at Clermont. The 18 hole goof course is located in the park. There are three camping areas arranged around the course. Crossroads is the portion most used for rallies and is separate from the rest of the park. There is a wealth of info on the site but, in a nutshell, here is the gist of it. Camper cost per site (Rally Price): $16.00 plus $1.44 tax per night 1st check-in day is Thursday Checkout is Sunday Come in any day, only pay for days used. No additional charges, period. There is a Winery located just a couple miles south of the park. They have tours and wine tasting 7 days a week. The grapes are grown on site and those who checked it out say it ain’t bad wine <g. Here is the link; http://www.lakeridgewinery.com/ Please give the rally website a look. Check it out and all the links provided. Please email me personally if you are planning to attend. The park is looking to me for a list of those expected. If you wish to use a screen name for privacy purposes, please let me know and we will respect your wishes. This should be a fun time for all attending.
With so much material about timesharing having been written by special interests, it’s a challenge to find a hype-free guide that can’t be classified as advertising. A small book "Timeshare Condominiums for the Beginner" by Michael Strauss (Amazon, Borders, B&N) has favorable reviews in the media that do justice to it. We have already bought one timeshare at a golf resort. Michael Strauss
It would be worth a ‘phone call to determine answers to your questions. The biggest question I’d have is whether you’ll get a spot with or without dogs, as these places are filling up with the snowbirds. Bob McNabb
My wife and I are going to be coming down to a dog show in Mesa, Arizona next week and the brochure from the show list two camp sites. I’m hoping that someone has been to both of the sites so I can get some recomendations on which (if either) is a better choice. The dog show is going to be at the Golf Resort on Power road. One RV park is in Desert Park and the other is a KOA in Apache Junction. My questin is how they are set up. I’ll be towing a 22′ trailer with our Chev extended Express Van. We only need the usual facilities, water, electricity and sewer. We will also have 6 dogs with us so if one is more dog friendly than the other (places to walk dogs, areas that are a little more isolated from other RV’ers, etc.) that would be good to know. We will be there about 5 days. I plan on giving them a call but I was hoping to get some first hand experience from people who have stayed at either place. Thanks for any info. Mike — Hillsboro, Oregon Bouvier des Flandres – Herding & Working Dogs http://www.europa.com/~mjordan – Pictures & Info on Bouviers
What the heck is a B’moron, by the way ?
someone from baltimore, md, who no longer lives there? wayno
Short for "Balti-moron" a name I have to admit invoking on the beltway a few times even though I too live in Baltimore county. Allen Epps Catonsville, MD – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Speaking as an expatriate B’moron,… What the heck is a B’moron, by the way ?
What the heck is a B’moron, by the way ?
Sorry. It’s short for Baltimoron, a humorous (?) metamorphosis of the more proper term, "Baltimorean", and IMHO, more applicable to those who still live there. <g Joe F.
Short for "Balti-moron" a name I have to admit invoking on the beltway a few times even though I too live in Baltimore county. And here I thought that they were all MDs..
The two terms are not necessarily mutually exclusive. :) Wolfgang and then there’s med students……god help us all
The two terms are not necessarily mutually exclusive. :) Wolfgang and then there’s med students……god help us all Working with a lot of doctors for a long time and with a son in his third year, I think that I’ll let this one pass …. 
Well, O.K., but do try to remember what they call the guy who graduates last in his class from med school. :) Wolfgang recovering….barely….from a summer research project invasion
Well, O.K., but do try to remember what they call the guy who graduates last in his class from med school. :) I give up. What do they call him (and if it’s a she ?)?
I’d hazard a guess at….."Doctor?" - Ken
What the heck is a B’moron, by the way ? Sorry. It’s short for Baltimoron, a humorous (?) metamorphosis of the more proper term, "Baltimorean", and IMHO, more applicable to those who still live there. <g Joe F.
There’s absolutely no "T"’s in Bawlimoron Scott (spent 4 of my happiest years in Bawlimer)
Well, O.K., but do try to remember what they call the guy who graduates last in his class from med school. :) I give up. What do they call him (and if it’s a she ?)? I’d hazard a guess at….."Doctor?" - Ken
Sobering thought, eh? :) Wolfgang
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The two terms are not necessarily mutually exclusive. :) Wolfgang and then there’s med students……god help us all Working with a lot of doctors for a long time and with a son in his third year, I think that I’ll let this one pass …. Well, O.K., but do try to remember what they call the guy who graduates last in his class from med school. :)
Ooh, ooh! "Wealthy"….no, wait, that’s law school…ooh, ooh, "Professor"…(running and ducking, but grinning) TC, R – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Wolfgang recovering….barely….from a summer research project invasion
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The two terms are not necessarily mutually exclusive. :) Wolfgang and then there’s med students……god help us all Working with a lot of doctors for a long time and with a son in his third year, I think that I’ll let this one pass …. Well, O.K., but do try to remember what they call the guy who graduates last in his class from med school. :) Ooh, ooh! "Wealthy"….no, wait, that’s law school…ooh, ooh, "Professor"…(running and ducking, but grinning) TC, R Wolfgang recovering….barely….from a summer research project invasion
Ouch. Just don’t tell my students! Scott
Speaking as an expatriate B’moron, I dislike of DC because it’s grown so large so fast, producing some of the worst godawful suburban sprawl in the country, disfiguring much of the prettiest countryside in Maryland and Virginia.
I couldn’t believe it when I noticed Rocky Gap State Park had been converted to some sort of state run golf resort. Mu
While driving Northeast from above Red Lodge to and thru Red Lodge to Billings on US 212 you ride along a very nice stream called Rock Creek. It’s in Montana. Two Rock Creeks in Montana? What’s that all about?? Joel Axelrad **DFD**
Greg, Nope, as I recall it’s pretty much a big pool. Must have some bottom life tosupport fish unless they survive on used condoms, syringes and ketchup packets. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – When my wife and I were dating she lived in DC up near the zoo above Rock Creek and if she was late getting home from work and I was early getting up there I actually got in some decent fishing on the DC Rock Creek. There was an article in the Washington Post (aka Pravda West) about urban fishing a couple years ago and apparently the reflecting pool to the north of the mall between Constitution Ave and the Lincoln Memorial is pretty good for bluegills and bass particularly in the spring since it warms up quickly……. Never tried it but next time visitors drag me down for another tourist thing I’m tempted, Allen Epps Maybe I will give Rock Creek a try next spring. I will be in DC in early December. Are there likely to be striped bass near Fletcher’s in the Potomac ? A friend of mine and I went out with a guide once in December but further down the river. We spent most of the day in front of a power plant, not an ideal setting for fishing. There was an article in the Washington Post (aka Pravda West) about urban fishing a couple years ago and apparently the reflecting pool to the north of the mall between Constitution Ave and the Lincoln Memorial is pretty good for bluegills and bass particularly in the spring since it warms up quickly……. Never tried it but next time visitors drag me down for another tourist thing I’m tempted, THis year’s Sage catalog talks about a woman who flyfishes the pool. I thought that it was just a big concrete wading pool. Is there more to it than that ?
on US 212 you ride along a very nice stream called Rock Creek. It’s in Montana. Two Rock Creeks in Montana? What’s that all about??
I heard that there are actually about 50 streams and creeks in Montana labeled Rock Creek. Can think of several of them off hand, one being WAY out in the middle of the northcentral prairie, out in the middle of nowhere with naught a tree or a trout within 300 miles (it seems like), and really hardly more than a trickle most of the year. — Brian D. Nelson Diamond N Outfitters, Missoula, Montana www.diamondnoutfitters.com
I heard that there are actually about 50 streams and creeks in Montana labeled Rock Creek.
Someone once told me that there 38 Spring Creeks in Colorado. I was afraid to check it out…they could be right. Big Dale
I live in Missoula- so "Rock Creek" is Rock Creek that drains into the Clark Fork of the Columbia near Clinton, Montana. In the District of Columbia, one of the better known urban parks is Rock Creek Park. I didn’t think that was the one. Though, on the list of past fun but illegal things I never got caught for was cutting firewood in that park in broad daylight. Girlfriend wanted a fire for the holidays; where else ya gonna get firewood in downtown DC?
Don’t get there much myself, but I hear the place is FULL of dead wood. Wolfgang ignicolist nonpareil
Have you ever fished in Rock Creek Park ? I was tempted to try it last time I had a few extra hours in DC, but then I chickened out and went with something familiar, the area around Fletcher’s Boat House.
Nope. Like many (if not most) B’morons; I have an irrational dislike for DC. Hate going there. Rarely do. Don’t even like driving through. Great city; just don’t like it. If you’re there anyway though, you could try Paint Branch in Montgomery County. Supposedly the closest trout water to DC (and mentioned briefly in Raines’ book.) Never fished it myself, though. Joe F.
Nope. Like many (if not most) B’morons; I have an irrational dislike for DC. Hate going there. Rarely do. Don’t even like driving through. Great city; just don’t like it.
Speaking as an expatriate B’moron, I dislike of DC because it’s grown so large so fast, producing some of the worst godawful suburban sprawl in the country, disfiguring much of the prettiest countryside in Maryland and Virginia. — visit my web site: http://home.earthlink.net/~royalwulff/
When my wife and I were dating she lived in DC up near the zoo above Rock Creek and if she was late getting home from work and I was early getting up there I actually got in some decent fishing on the DC Rock Creek. There was an article in the Washington Post (aka Pravda West) about urban fishing a couple years ago and apparently the reflecting pool to the north of the mall between Constitution Ave and the Lincoln Memorial is pretty good for bluegills and bass particularly in the spring since it warms up quickly……. Never tried it but next time visitors drag me down for another tourist thing I’m tempted, Allen Epps – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In the District of Columbia, one of the better known urban parks is Rock Creek Park. I didn’t think that was the one. Have you ever fished in Rock Creek Park ? I was tempted to try it last time I had a few extra hours in DC, but then I chickened out and went with something familiar, the area around Fletcher’s Boat House.
I live in Missoula- so "Rock Creek" is Rock Creek that drains into the Clark Fork of the Columbia near Clinton, Montana.
In the District of Columbia, one of the better known urban parks is Rock Creek Park. I didn’t think that was the one. Though, on the list of past fun but illegal things I never got caught for was cutting firewood in that park in broad daylight. Girlfriend wanted a fire for the holidays; where else ya gonna get firewood in downtown DC? Joe F.
Spent Saturday fishing Rock Creek with a friend from work started out searching with everything we could think of- PMD’s, small caddis, hoppers, and serendipities- nothing worked. Finally noticed a few really small midges fluttering about- so I tried a #20 midge cluster. landed 4 nice trout from 12-16" in a couple of hours. The fish were clustered in anything with any depth (water level is fairly low). Catch was predominatly cuts- but one nice bow. about 3 in the afternoon we wandered up the creek a little ways and tried again- somewhat faster water This time it was hoppers that seemed to get the attention in the late afternoon- landed one nice cut of 16 to18 " Later in the evening a small EH Caddis got some attention and landed one nice bow of about 16"- had lots of strikes I couldn’t connect with. Also caught lots of "over the shoulder" fish pretty good day on Rock Creek jh
pretty good day on Rock Creek
John, Thanks for the TR. I spent a week at Ekstrom’s last year and fished the creek five of those days. Broke my heart to leave and I think about it every day. I visit the Rock Creek Mercantile’s website just about daily to check out the conditions on my favorite stream. The people in Clinton are so nice and the fishing is out of this world. Maybe I’ll get out there next year. Lennie
There are lots of Rock Creeks. Which one was this TR for? Bill W – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Spent Saturday fishing Rock Creek with a friend from work
There are lots of Rock Creeks. Which one was this TR for?
The one he fished 
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I live in Missoula- so "Rock Creek" is Rock Creek that drains into the Clark Fork of the Columbia near Clinton, Montana. Actually spent a day on Rock Creek again yesterday- I think I ended up with 7 landed – 1 cut about 16", 2 browns, biggest about 10", and the balance rainbows ranging from 12" to 16". I had a really nice bow on for a couple of minutes but just when I thought it was all over but the shouting, he freed himself. What seemed to work best was a large yellow stimi in the A.M. which I managed to lose, so I tied on a slightly smaller yellow stimi – and it got no interest- so i tied on a griffiths knat as a dropper – picked up 3 in one hole on that combo- all on the dropper. I had a hard strike from a smallish fish that broke the tippet above the yellow stimi so it is lost for all time along with the g.k.. so went to an October Caddis in about an 8 with a #20 midge cluster as a dropper, thats when I got and lost the nice bow- he was on the dropper. managed to lose the caddis/cluster and put on an orange stimi with a # 20 trico and had several strikes-all on the simi- go fiqure
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There are lots of Rock Creeks. Which one was this TR for? Bill W Spent Saturday fishing Rock Creek with a friend from work
The 16th hole at Maplewood golf resort in Bethlehem, NH is a 651 yard par 6. You can see the course stats at: http://www.maplewoodgolfresort.com/golf.html There is a pond in the middle, but it is set to play in between the first and second shots.
Galla Creek G.C., Arkansas……hole #16, 682 yds par 6
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Crondon Park in Essex, UK has a first hole measuring 658 yards, only a par 5 though i think. How many of you know of courses with par 6 holes? Hampton NB Canada – Hole #6, Par 6, 666 yards… anyone see a pattern?
Meadows Farms near Fredericksburg, VA. #12 – 841 yards from the tips. However, I think it only plays about 700. I’ve hit three 3-woods to reach in 3 and I don’t hit the 3-wood 280. 300 yards to the first pond will require most RSG’ers to lay up with a 2 iron.
Very interesting. So could most pros reach it in 3? (I mean if it were really 841, and if the pond were 300 yards out.)
There is a par-7, 948 yds at Koolan GC, Australia. In Japan, there is a par-7 909 yds hole. I bet there are more, even par-8 or par-9 holes. At my club, we’ve played a cross-country competition with a par-12 hole. I was lucky to make a 9. They didn’t accept my name on the double eagle list though… J.T. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – How many of you know of courses with par 6 holes? Hampton NB Canada – Hole #6, Par 6, 666 yards… anyone see a pattern?
Lake Chabot Golf Course, Oakland CA, 18th hole, par 6, 666 yards from the tips. Pattern? Sure. Aleister Crowley lives. In Oakland! "The Beast is Among Us. And he plays to scratch!!!" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – How many of you know of courses with par 6 holes? Hampton NB Canada – Hole #6, Par 6, 666 yards… anyone see a pattern?
Meadows Farms near Fredericksburg, VA. #12 – 841 yards from the tips. However, I think it only plays about 700. I’ve hit three 3-woods to reach in 3 and I don’t hit the 3-wood 280. 300 yards to the first pond will require most RSG’ers to lay up with a 2 iron.
Geez, 841 yards isn’t enough, they have to put water on it also? — I have discovered a remarkable proof which this .sig is too small to contain!
Meadows Farms near Fredericksburg, VA. #12 – 841 yards from the tips. However, I think it only plays about 700. I’ve hit three 3-woods to reach in 3 and I don’t hit the 3-wood 280. 300 yards to the first pond will require most RSG’ers to lay up with a 2 iron. Geez, 841 yards isn’t enough, they have to put water on it also? —
Yep, they put two ponds on it. Here it is: http://www.meadowsfarms.com/golf/longest.htm I have a 2:30 tee time there today. Brad
Meadows Farms near Fredericksburg, VA. #12 – 841 yards from the tips. However, I think it only plays about 700. I’ve hit three 3-woods to reach in 3 and I don’t hit the 3-wood 280. 300 yards to the first pond will require most RSG’ers to lay up with a 2 iron.
I just played a course for the first time about three weeks ago called The Links. The Links is located in Post Falls, Idaho (about 20 minutes east of Spokane, Wa). Their ninth hole is a 740 yard par 6 (from the tips). Beautiful putting surfaces and fairways, but don’t even try to play your ball from the deep fescue *if* you can find it (rocks will tear up your clubs!). For $25 it’s a pretty good value, but a course that will test your patience…especially if the wind blows like it did when we were there. It opened about two years ago. — Washington State University "That shot is impossible!…Jack Nicholson himself couldn’t make it!"– Homer Simpson
Crondon Park in Essex, UK has a first hole measuring 658 yards, only a par 5 though i think. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – How many of you know of courses with par 6 holes? Hampton NB Canada – Hole #6, Par 6, 666 yards… anyone see a pattern?
Meadows Farms near Fredericksburg, VA. #12 – 841 yards from the tips. However, I think it only plays about 700. I’ve hit three 3-woods to reach in 3 and I don’t hit the 3-wood 280. 300 yards to the first pond will require most RSG’ers to lay up with a 2 iron. http://www.thegolfnetwork.com/courses/Facility732/course.asp
How many of you know of courses with par 6 holes? Hampton NB Canada – Hole #6, Par 6, 666 yards… anyone see a pattern?
I sure do. That’s Satan’s hole. Don’t play it!
Hey, I’ve put a shot in the pond!!!! (Well, uh, it was my second shot on the hole). Took a quad bogey 10 the last time I played it. Meadows Farms near Fredericksburg, VA. #12 – 841 yards from the tips. However, I think it only plays about 700. I’ve hit three 3-woods to reach in 3 and I don’t hit the 3-wood 280. 300 yards to the first pond will require most RSG’ers to lay up with a 2 iron. http://www.thegolfnetwork.com/courses/Facility732/course.asp
– Kenny Stultz RSG Rollcall: http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/stultzk.htm
How many of you know of courses with par 6 holes? Hampton NB Canada – Hole #6, Par 6, 666 yards… anyone see a pattern?
How many of you know of courses with par 6 holes? Hampton NB Canada – Hole #6, Par 6, 666 yards… anyone see a pattern?
Nice hole, too. The first half of it are uphill, then pretty much level to the green. Bruce http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/newmanb.htm http://go.to/bruce_newman
taking boat to west coast of florida in december does anyone know a good place to stay around crystal river
You didn’t mention what size boat you have, whether you are cruising or trailering, and if you want to stay on your boat. I can reccomend the Homosassa River Resort, which is about 10 miles South of Crystal River. They have a marina and ramp on-site, and you can leave your boat at the roomside docks overnight for a fee. There is also a small fee to launch and park the trailer nearby, but the room charge was only $40-50 last spring. The waterway gives you access to the gulf (5 mi), or to the springs where the manatees will come right up to the boat in clear water. Naturally the river area is no-wake, but you can speed up going west into the gulf. If you want the Crystal River, then look up the Best Western, which we scouted out on our trip to Homosassa. The Best Western has a ramp, and in-water parking available, and their rates are lower than most.
taking boat to west coast of florida in december does anyone know a good place to stay around crystal river
Have you get photos of that?, I would like to see soemone. Thanks. Albert. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – taking boat to west coast of florida in december does anyone know a good place to stay around crystal river
The Plantation Inn and Golf Resort is on Crystal River. You can tie right up to the Sea wall on the property at no extra charge beyond the room. It’s on King’s Bay in Crystal River, but you need to be a little carefull coming in, as it’s a bit shallow on the approach. You’ll probably be OK with O/B’s. My 25′ Walkaround was fine. Number there is 352-795-4211. Howard Crothers – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – taking boat to west coast of florida in december does anyone know a good place to stay around crystal river
To save you and I some time, as I am tired of you convoluted self aggradizement….. PLONK!!!!
Rob, I did that to George almost from day one, saved me alot of signal to noise time. Make Birdies, Not Spam. Mark Patron, RSG Clique
PLONCK FER SURE, FROST. The non-sequiturs of the reality of my posts, my background, and my comments nad YOUR RESPONSES to them is classic. There are none so deaf as those who choose not to hear. Bye. George
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This reply is unworthy of any response. (but that won’t keep me FROM responding.) Ah yes. George can make completely unsubstantiated and thoroughly unfair criticisms of all other golf instructors in what appears to be efforts to hawk his book, but heaven forbid anyone call him on it. I can aacept that you have some sort of teaching strategy. I can accept that you "like" gravity golf. There is nothing revolutionary about gravity golf, or anything that you say. Nothing. I am truely thankful that my father does not choose who I follow for golf instruction or anything else; like the father has a basis in knowledge to make such choices. I don’t care who gives you good reviews; that is not the issue to me. You need to substantiate why instructors with proven track records at all levels are so inferior; the answer that some dad in florida wants quick fixes so his son can be an average player on a college golf team hardly qualifies here. One of the things about Tiger Woods and Jack Nickluas in his day is a thorough knowledge of the golf swing. Woods, following another instructor, completely revamped his golf swing, and has 9 PGA TOUR wins this year, including 3 majors. Maybe the kid from FLa. will win a mini tour event some day…maybe the kid will get free himself of dad and follow his own star and make decisions and commitments needed to improve his golf game for his sake, rather than the sake of his father. Neither you or David Lee are a Galileo, although you are similar to Galileo in that Galileo was convicted of promoting the views of another, Copernicus. All instructors that I know address individual differences. You have never indicated ANY background knowledge in golf, or any basis that anyone should accept that you have knowledge of golf. What Nicklaus thinks, or anyone "thinks" some aspect of Gravity Golf or what ever you might have to say is irrelevant to YOUR background. You do not demonstrate a strong general knowledge of the golf swing. You do not put your ideas in context of what they mean in the context of a general idea of the golf swing. A strong grip has what effect, so that when a student is practicing, and has things happen, they have a basis for understanding. But I guess students aren’t supposed to practice…isn’t that a position of yours…banging balls and all that? Is the problem that they come back with questions that you can’t handle? If legitimate skepticism is unworthy of response, then you are in fact a snake oil salesman. I personally don’t mind your posts of suggestions on golf, they are no better/worse than anyone elses, which is the problem here. I do mind your ludicrous position that other concepts are flawed and invalid, with references like the Florida father. All you offer in response is shrill hyperbole, you never offer actual data to support challenges of your position of superiority. You have never offered anything novel, yet you claim to be revolutionary. For example, I heard and seen the narrow stance thing, 20 years ago, and I’m certain older players than I heard/saw it decades earlier than that. I have also been hesitatingly supportive of some aspects of what you say, like concepts on weight shift (you in fact do not push off the right foot, you shift your weight and the right foot is pulled forward, for example). This nonsense that you have no somehow answered every possible question, and thus any criticism at this point is out of ignorance is in itself ignorant. To save you and I some time, as I am tired of you convoluted self aggradizement….. PLONK!!!! Rob — RSG Rollcall: http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/hamiltonr.htm Charter Member, RSG Clique
This reply is unworthy of any response. (but that won’t keep me FROM responding.)
Ah yes. George can make completely unsubstantiated and thoroughly unfair criticisms of all other golf instructors in what appears to be efforts to hawk his book, but heaven forbid anyone call him on it. I can aacept that you have some sort of teaching strategy. I can accept that you "like" gravity golf. There is nothing revolutionary about gravity golf, or anything that you say. Nothing. I am truely thankful that my father does not choose who I follow for golf instruction or anything else; like the father has a basis in knowledge to make such choices. I don’t care who gives you good reviews; that is not the issue to me. You need to substantiate why instructors with proven track records at all levels are so inferior; the answer that some dad in florida wants quick fixes so his son can be an average player on a college golf team hardly qualifies here. One of the things about Tiger Woods and Jack Nickluas in his day is a thorough knowledge of the golf swing. Woods, following another instructor, completely revamped his golf swing, and has 9 PGA TOUR wins this year, including 3 majors. Maybe the kid from FLa. will win a mini tour event some day…maybe the kid will get free himself of dad and follow his own star and make decisions and commitments needed to improve his golf game for his sake, rather than the sake of his father. Neither you or David Lee are a Galileo, although you are similar to Galileo in that Galileo was convicted of promoting the views of another, Copernicus. All instructors that I know address individual differences. You have never indicated ANY background knowledge in golf, or any basis that anyone should accept that you have knowledge of golf. What Nicklaus thinks, or anyone "thinks" some aspect of Gravity Golf or what ever you might have to say is irrelevant to YOUR background. You do not demonstrate a strong general knowledge of the golf swing. You do not put your ideas in context of what they mean in the context of a general idea of the golf swing. A strong grip has what effect, so that when a student is practicing, and has things happen, they have a basis for understanding. But I guess students aren’t supposed to practice…isn’t that a position of yours…banging balls and all that? Is the problem that they come back with questions that you can’t handle? If legitimate skepticism is unworthy of response, then you are in fact a snake oil salesman. I personally don’t mind your posts of suggestions on golf, they are no better/worse than anyone elses, which is the problem here. I do mind your ludicrous position that other concepts are flawed and invalid, with references like the Florida father. All you offer in response is shrill hyperbole, you never offer actual data to support challenges of your position of superiority. You have never offered anything novel, yet you claim to be revolutionary. For example, I heard and seen the narrow stance thing, 20 years ago, and I’m certain older players than I heard/saw it decades earlier than that. I have also been hesitatingly supportive of some aspects of what you say, like concepts on weight shift (you in fact do not push off the right foot, you shift your weight and the right foot is pulled forward, for example). This nonsense that you have no somehow answered every possible question, and thus any criticism at this point is out of ignorance is in itself ignorant. To save you and I some time, as I am tired of you convoluted self aggradizement….. PLONK!!!! Rob — RSG Rollcall: http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/hamiltonr.htm Charter Member, RSG Clique
OK. We know. You don’t think most/some/a lot of/whatever golf instructors are any good. I feel soory for the supposed Fla college golfer. You have to learn all the nuances of the game if you want tobe really good. You have to know all the grip variations and their effect on your game. You have to know whay you use your grip. You also have to start somewhere. A conventional stance with a grip apprpriat for the individual as a beginner is a good place to start. Most teaching pros know these things; they are fundamental. Conventional golf does, and always has worked best. The "alternate" methods are all crocks. No-one will be helped by what you like better…if you can’t cover all the bases in instruction, you are incompetent to instruct. You seem to be saying that you don’t want to bother with learning and teaching ALL about the golf swing, because you have some one thing that is so much better than anything else that all else is a waste of time. Load-O-bull. Sounds to me that you dislike "conventional golf" because you don’t want to take the time to learn it; you teach what you "know". BTW, say Jim Flick on TGC. They were talking about physical limitations. How far can you stretch your hamstring. I tried the test. I can’t stretch my hamstrings very much. They said that not being able to stretch your hamstrings very much limits your swing because if you go too far back (for me past 3/4) your right leg will straighten out, with the resulting fatal consequences. I recognize the consequences! That was good information! I will be watching when my leg straightens out in my backswing during practice from now on, and limit my backswing to a point well in advance of that at which my leg straightens out when I play. I will also work on flexibility in my legs. Now, some hack driving range "instructor" would not think of something like that, only…you are straightening out your right leg. If I ask why, "it" will say, I don’t know, but don’t do it….but get that club Rob — RSG Rollcall: http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/hamiltonr.htm Charter Member, RSG Clique
ADDITIONAL GEORGE COMMENTS TO FROST: Ah yes. George can make completely unsubstantiated and thoroughly unfair criticisms of all other golf instructors
IGNORE THE PRAISE I GAVE WHERE IT WAS DUE, AND IGNORE THE REALITY OF MISLEADING INSTRUCTIONS THAT I DOCUMENTED. YOUR CONCLUSION IS THAT IF ANYONE HAS MISSTATED ANYTHING, it is unfair criticism of the INSTRUCTOR. . George’s comments were about the instruction point being discussed, not the instructor. Maybe your tutor was on vacation when you read that particular stuff. in what appears to be efforts to hawk his book,
GOOD SPIN. (readers, if Scott doesn’t get the irony of my next phrase, please don’t let it be lost on You!) NO, I DON’T WANT TO SELL ANY BOOKS. NEVER. OUT OF THE QUESTION. BE SURE TO KILL ALL THE COMMERCIAL MESSAGES I HAVE SENT. DAMN, GOT ANOTHER EMAIL FROM HIBBARD THIS MORNING. GEORGE-DESTROY THE BOOKS TO REMOVE ALL CONFLICT OF INTEREST. (The fact that you have a love for the game and helping people is of no value because you want to get money.) SO but heaven forbid anyone call him on it. I can aacept that you have some sort of teaching strategy. I can accept that you "like" gravity golf. There is nothing revolutionary about gravity golf, or anything that you say. Nothing. I am truely thankful that my father does not choose who I follow for golf instruction or anything else; like the father has a basis in knowledge to make such choices.
THE "FATHER" YOU SPEAK OF IS AN EXTREMELY HIGHLY EDUCATED GOLFER, WITH CONTACTS AT THE VERY HIGHEST LEVELS OF GOLFDOM. HE IS A DEEP STUDENT OF THE GAME, AND IS THE FIRST PERSON IN MY LIFE WHO KNEW THE DETAILS OF AN EXTREMELY TECHNICAL POINT THAT CAME UP, SO WHEN I ASKED HIM HOW HE KNEW THAT, HE JUST GAVE THE FAINTEST SMILE. THE MAN DEVELOPS MULTIMILLION DOLLAR GOLF RESORTS, HOBNOBS WITH THE PROFESSIONAL CIRCUIT IN HIS DAILY LIFE ROUTINELY, AND IS HIMSELF A SERIOUSLY WELL EDUCATED STUDENT OF GOLF. FOR YOU TO PRESUME TO BE SO FLIPPANT, JUDGMENTAL ABOUT SOMEONE YOU DON’T HAVE THE FOGGIEST NOTION OF IS JUST APPALLING. SWALLOW YOUR OWN VOMIT, DAMN IT FROST. I don’t care who gives you good reviews; that is not the issue to me. READ: MY MIND IS MADE UP, DO NOT BOTHER ME
WITH FACTS. You need to substantiate why instructors with proven track records at all levels are so inferior; NEVER SAID THEY
WERE. POINTED TO PROBLEMATIC TEACHINGS THAT ARISE BECAUSE OF LANGUAGE/COMMUNICATION EVEN FROM THE GREATEST IN THE WORLD. the answer that some dad ["SOME DAD" -- DOES THAT SOUND PERJORATIVE, READER?] in florida
wants quick fixes HE WANTED ME PRECISELY BECAUSE OF MY DEPTH WITH THE PRECISELY OPPOSITE OF QUICK FIXES so his son can be an average player on a college golf team hardly qualifies here. HE WAS THE CAPTAIN
OF HIS PROMINENT UNIVERSITY — 50,000 STUDENTS — GOLF TEAM IN FLORIDA. One of the things about Tiger Woods and Jack Nickluas [STET FROST'S SPELLING. I FORGIVE
YOU THAT, F. CHALK IT UP TO "TYPO".]in his day is a thorough knowledge of the golf swing. Woods, following another instructor, completely revamped his golf swing, and has 9 PGA TOUR wins this year, including 3 majors. Maybe the kid from FLa. will win a mini tour event some day…maybe the kid will get free himself of dad YEAH. HIS DAD’S WISDOM
IS FOR NAUGHT, SO LET THE KID GO OUT ON HIS OWN, AFTER ALL HE’S 21 NOW. FORGET STUPID DAD. DAD IS AN IDIOT. HATES HIS KID. KNOWS NOTHING. IS NOT TO BE LISTENED TO. HAS NOTHING TO OFFER. CAN’T TIE HIS OWN SHOES. DISSIPATES HIS LIFE. HATES HIS KID SO HIS EFFORTS TO FIND THE BEST ARE ACTUALLY A CONSPIRACY TO DESTROY THE KID. AND IF I HAVEN’T SAID IT YET, HE SHOULD HAVE KICKED DAD OUT OF THE HOUSE 6 YEARS AGO. HE GOT BIGGER THAN DAD WHEN HE WAS 14, ACTUALLY. SO 8 YEARS AGO, DAMNIT. and follow his own star and make decisions and commitments needed to improve his golf game for his sake, rather than the sake of his father. [DID I SAY THE KID'S NOSE
WAS INJURED FROM THE ROPE ATTACHED TO HIS FATHER PULLING IT? "GOSH, .... (insert name here), STILL ON YOUR DADDY'S BABY LIST? WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO GROW UP AND THROW DADDA FROM THE TRAIN?"] GEORGE TALKING NOW: Now I have a story for the audience, on point: Guy is at a golf resort for his timeshare week, and goes to the sauna. All steamed up, can’t see. Gets in and overhears three guys talking about bringing their kids over for the shindig at the club. Conversation goes something like this: "Yeah, I didn’t like what my son was getting so I’m taking him to XX, can’t help him anymore myself. Second guy says: me too, but I like XY better. Third guy says, "you both have a different slant than I do, I’m taking MY son to XZ". Guy asks gents: how old are your kids? Answers: mine’s 26, Mine’s 28, and third voice says 30". Guy gets out of the sauna, and while getting dressed tells his friend getting ready to go in that he just met three idiots with three idiot kids. Why are the men idiots. Answer: because they are Dads, and we all know how ANYone who plays golf always thinks he knows everything, and they think they know what’s best for their adult kids for guiding them to golf instruction. Why are the kids idiots? "Because they can’t think for themselves — they ‘re following their dads around on a leash, and the kids are grown men!" Just then three men emerge from the sauna. Guy recognizes Jack Nicklaus, Dave Stockton, and Ray Floyd. End of story, but beginning of moral: for a completely uninformed stranger to make a prejudgment as to the competence of a "dad," or as to the maturity and judgment of his adult son to "fend for himself" based SOLELY on the fact that the kid and dad together were looking for golf instruction for the kid, –for that kind of a prejudgment to stand as credible is EXACTLY ON POINT WITH THE LITTLE STORY OF THE THREE BEARS in the above paragraph. The depth of the knowledge of both the real father in the story retold, — an EXTREMELY knowledgable adult and golfer, and the real son referred to – the then captain of his university golf team – not a bad start.. is so far beyond what I now suspect FROST’S golf knowledge to be probably amounts to universes of difference. When someone is caught in court with a lie, the rest of his testimony is just about worthless. By the same token, if someone has been revealed to be so stupid as to even begin to prejudge someone he has never met and about whom he is clueless and brand him with the broad brush of soccer daddy without a clue with the words "like a father has a basis in knowledge to make such choices," he has totally destroyed his credibility for common sense, knowledge, or even worthiness of an audience. If my good friend ..XXX… (name is private and I WILL NOT insult him with even beginning to let him in on these comments of yours) and you were in the same room with THIS man, it would be appropriate for you to kiss his shoes and dismiss yourself, Frost, after your unbelievably crass and clueless comments Now back to Supreme Court Chief Justice FROST: Neither you or David Lee are a Galileo, although you are similar to Galileo in that Galileo was convicted of promoting the views of another, Copernicus. NO, MY NAME IS GOD. NONE OF THESE OR ANY OTHER MINDS BEGIN TO APPROACH
MY GREATNESS, FROST. uuuuuuuuuuuuuGGGGGGGGGGGGGGhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. All instructors that I know address individual differences. You have never indicated ANY background knowledge in golf, or any basis that anyone should accept that you have knowledge of golf. HAVEN’T READ MY
POSTS, MY BOOK, SEEN MY VIDEOS, OR DONE ANYTHING TO ARRIVE AT THAT OPINION THAN SIT IN YOUR CORNER AND SNIPE. YOUR COMMENTS ARE WORTHLESS, FROST. What Nicklaus thinks, or anyone "thinks" some aspect of Gravity Golf or what ever you might have to say is irrelevant to YOUR background. OF COURSE, THE FACT
THAT I CONTINUALLY REFER TO PRINCIPLES ESPOUSED BY SUCH AND USED BY THE GREAT GOLFERS IS IRRELEVANT, FROST. AND WHERE DID YOU DO YOUR RESEARCH, FROSTBACK? WHILE WE’RE ON THAT. I, GEORGE, WANT TO SEE YOUR CURRICULUM VITAE BY RETURN POST. You do not demonstrate a strong general knowledge of the golf swing. WHEN DOES THE
INQUISITION AND INQUIRY BEGIN? ARE YOU GOING TO USE A DEPOSITION FORMAT? AND HAVE YOU PREPARED YOUR QUESTIONS (and your guillotine)? HOW LONG IS THIS EXAM BEFORE ANYONE IS ALLOWED TO POST IDEAS, OPINIONS, AND EXPLANATIONS HERE BASED ON THEIR TRAINING AND CONVICTIONS ONTO THIS FORUM? AND WHO ARE YOU GOING TO APPOINT TO HELP YOU IN YOUR FINAL JUDGMENTS — YOU BEING THE CHIEF JUSTICE. You do not put your ideas in context of what they mean in the context of a general idea of the golf swing. A strong grip has what effect, so that when a student is practicing, and has things happen, they have a basis for understanding. WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY HERE? But I guess students
aren’t supposed to practice [OF COURSE ALL MY PUPILS DON'T NEED TO PRACTICE; THEY GO FROM ONE LESSON TO Q SCHOOL.]…isn’t that a position of yours…banging balls and all that? Is the problem that they come back with questions that you can’t handle? [OF COURSE I
KNOW NOTHING AT ALL. CAN'T HANDLE ANY QUESTIONS. GOLLY GEE, FROST. GOT ME ON THAT ONE. BUT I'LL RUN TO MY LOCAL PGA PRO AND HE'LL TELL ME.] If legitimate skepticism is unworthy of response, then you are in fact a snake oil salesman. I personally don’t mind your posts of suggestions on golf, they are no better/worse than anyone elses, which is the problem here. I do mind your ludicrous position that other concepts are flawed and invalid, with references like the Florida father. [LISTEN UP
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Re: The last post I made, with some vehement comments on some George-blasting: I have actually NO idea who the author is that made the comments I take issue with. The replay of messages in this format leaves me lost. Whoever wrote it, hear my responses. If anyone mistakenly got blamed or feels blamed for something he didn''t say, I'm sorry... George the last post was:
- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - This reply is unworthy of any response. (but that won't keep me FROM responding.) To criticize a work where the critic is in virtual TOTAL ignorance of what it says is stupid. To impute that a few sentences that an author writes is ALL he knows is stupid. The perjorative of the comment is stupid. This man REFUSES TO READ OR, IF HE READ, TO ALLOW ANY VALUE to reviews of GH's material by 1) a golf -experienced physicist with 135 other instruction books and videos, 2) serious high level golfers with 40 to 100 books and videos each, 3) less prolifically trained but experienced golfers with tons of other materials which have failed them but GH's were considered "the best they've ever seen" and 4) many other reviews of equal substance and personal "happy" experience. He denigrates the reviewers and golfers as though they too are incompetent idiots (Ph.D. level University Professors, and so on...). The "supposed" Fla college golfer's Dad had already been to Orlando and rejected every single teacher he knew of there for help to his son, but chose to REJECT their approach; (he could afford any of them, driven an hour to get there for his son), BUT HE CHOSE ME.. SPECIFICALLY. WITH KNOWLEDGE, WITH AWARENESS, AND WITH DECISION. (His son is a very large talent who has tested extremely high in PGA stuff, all the details of which I didn't need to codify because reality plays golf, not his test stats.) It may be time for ME to killfile consistent and obstinate stupidity. etc.
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I am a golfer of only 3 months but i seem to have a natural ability in the game, i shoot about bogey golf already but i was going to get some lessons because i know i dont hit the ball as far as i should (or about 10-20 yds shorter than my brother), here is my question What should i have in mind for lessons, i would like some info on what questions i need to ask my teacher before im $150 lighter 1. could anyone tell me where in my area to find a good instructor? 2. what do i look for in a good instructor? thanks in advance aaron
I am a golfer of only 3 months but i seem to have a natural ability in the game, i shoot about bogey golf already but i was going to get some lessons because i know i dont hit the ball as far as i should (or about 10-20 yds shorter than my brother), here is my question What should i have in mind for lessons, i would like some info on what questions i need to ask my teacher before im $150 lighter 1. could anyone tell me where in my area to find a good instructor? 2. what do i look for in a good instructor? thanks in advance aaron Common sense, aaron. If you are not HELPED SUBSTANTIALLY IMMEDIATELY
during the first 15 minutes, because you see some good sense and some direct and easy explanations of how the swing works, seriously question that teacher's value to you. Some are out there hidden and are superior. Sometimes the most visible trade on their reputation and are NOT (damn, my caps are only 12 point -- I need 64...) I would NEVER permit ANY teacher to start my son off with: OK NOW THIS IS THE GRIP AND THIS IS THE SETUP. That is your first sign of trouble. IN MY NOT SO HUMBLE DAMNED OPINION, FOR SURE. Your friend, George. - Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -
[...] I would NEVER permit ANY teacher to start my son off with: OK NOW THIS IS THE GRIP AND THIS IS THE SETUP. That is your first sign of trouble. IN MY NOT SO HUMBLE DAMNED OPINION, FOR SURE.
Why is this so bad, George? Just curious. Bruce Charter Member, RSG Clique RSG Roll Call: http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/newmanb.htm http://go.to/bruce_newman
I didn’t finish the thought of previous answer to this post: the rest of the answer is that YOU DESERVE TO KNOW EXACTLY WHY a particular item in your grip, stance, setup, are being suggested. Because text book or model swing positions are for text books and models, not for your build. I don’t refute the "general guidelines" as a place to start. But you want deeper than that –ESPECIALLY what is the dynamic principle of centrifugal force, how does that relate to the golf swing release, what do you do to the handle of the club when you swing to use force appropriately (e.g., you do NOT manipulate the shaft!), and so on. What is correct swing path? What puts the club there SPECIFICALLY – not willy nilly and hope. You do not WALK like anyone else, truth be told — your walk looks DIFFERENT, but you walk by the same PRINCIPLES as anyone else. Pro swings have, essentially, the following things in common: 1) their exertions and intentions with the club are essentially the SAME (interior things that are in their mind and how they direct their procedure); 2) the appearances of their swings ALL have some idiosyncratic DIFFERENCES which are often irrelevant (Trevino’s stance vs. anyone else; Azinger’s setup vs. anyone else. Couple’s setup vs. anyone else. etc.). Another point you prove: your own instincts ("natural ability" as you call it,) indicate that you already have tapped into essentials fairly well. Now just do NOT (there’s that 12 point cap max again, where’s the 64 button?) allow ANYONE to mess you up. Be leery. No matter the "authority" - my own experience with the "Southeast Florida PGA Teacher of the Year" that cost me $100 for 1/2 hour (I wanted the best….) was abYSmal. The father of the then captain of a major Florida university golf team and my then pupil — JERKS HIS KID OUT OF THE CART whenever some guru / playing companion in the cart starts talking "mechanics". HE knows the serious importance and subtlety of WRONG information and its potential for serious damage. If you want more specifics, write to me and I’ll get into it deeper. Used up my quota for this post. George
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This reply is unworthy of any response. (but that won’t keep me FROM responding.) To criticize a work where the critic is in virtual TOTAL ignorance of what it says is stupid. To impute that a few sentences that an author writes is ALL he knows is stupid. The perjorative of the comment is stupid. This man REFUSES TO READ OR, IF HE READ, TO ALLOW ANY VALUE to reviews of GH’s material by 1) a golf -experienced physicist with 135 other instruction books and videos, 2) serious high level golfers with 40 to 100 books and videos each, 3) less prolifically trained but experienced golfers with tons of other materials which have failed them but GH’s were considered "the best they’ve ever seen" and 4) many other reviews of equal substance and personal "happy" experience. He denigrates the reviewers and golfers as though they too are incompetent idiots (Ph.D. level University Professors, and so on…). The "supposed" Fla college golfer’s Dad had already been to Orlando and rejected every single teacher he knew of there for help to his son, but chose to REJECT their approach; (he could afford any of them, driven an hour to get there for his son), BUT HE CHOSE ME.. SPECIFICALLY. WITH KNOWLEDGE, WITH AWARENESS, AND WITH DECISION. (His son is a very large talent who has tested extremely high in PGA stuff, all the details of which I didn’t need to codify because reality plays golf, not his test stats.) It may be time for ME to killfile consistent and obstinate stupidity. George ,
OK. We know. You don’t think most/some/a lot of/whatever golf instructors are any good. I feel soory for the supposed Fla college golfer. You have to learn all the nuances of the game if you want tobe really good. You have to know all the grip variations and their effect on your game. You have to know whay you use your grip.
THE STATEMENT MADE CARRIES THE ASSUMPTION THAT I DO NOT. NICE TRY. You also have to start somewhere. A conventional stance with a grip apprpriat for the individual as a beginner is a good place to start. Most teaching pros know these things; they are fundamental. OBVIOUS YOU DON’T READ POSTS. IT’S EASIER TO SNIPE; TOO MUCH WORK TO READ… Conventional golf does, and always has worked best. The "alternate" methods are all crocks. SO WAS ….(FILL IN THE BLANKS…. WHO INVENTED …OR WROTE…..) No-one will be helped by what you like better…if you can’t cover all the bases in instruction, you are incompetent to instruct. YUP. SO AUTOMATICALLY, THAT INCLUDES ME -
TOTALLY UNABLE TO "COVER ALL THE BASES. YUP. YOUR STATEMENT MAKES IT SO. You seem to be saying that you don’t want to bother with learning and teaching ALL about the golf swing, because you have some one thing that is so much better than anything else that all else is a waste of time. YOUR WORDS AND SPIN, MR. WHOEVER YOU ARE. AGAIN,
READING IMPAIRED. NICE TRY. YOUR STUPIDITY IS SHOWING THROUGH AGAIN. READING 101 – THERE ARE TUTORS AVAILABLE…. Load-O-bull. Sounds to me that you dislike "conventional golf" because you don’t want to take the time to learn it; you teach what you "know". AAAAGGGHHH……YEAH; NICKLAUS, DD, DL, DAVID
HAVE ENTHUSIASTICALLY REFERRED TO. THEY ARE ALL "CONVENTIONAL" SO SINCE I HAVE PROVEN I DON’T LIKE THEM OR HAVEN’T TAKEN THE TIME TO LEARN "IT", IT MEANS THAT ……. DON’T FOLLOW YOUR GARBAGE, WRITER. BTW, say Jim Flick on TGC. They were talking about physical limitations. How far can you stretch your hamstring. I tried the test. I can’t stretch my hamstrings very much. They said that not being able to stretch your hamstrings very much limits your swing because if you go too far back (for me past 3/4) your right leg will straighten out, with the resulting fatal consequences. I recognize the consequences! That was good information! I will be watching when my leg straightens out in my backswing during practice from now on, and limit my backswing to a point well in advance of that at which my leg straightens out when I play. I will also work on flexibility in my legs. WONDERFUL, ROB. GOOD LUCK IN YOUR NEW INFORMATION. OF COURSE GH IS
TOTALLY WRONG WHEN HE ADDRESSES INDIVIDUAL DIFFERENCES IN HIS TEACHING BECAUSE THE TEXT BOOK MODEL IS THE ONLY ONE AVAILABLE. Again, a reading problem… Now, some hack driving range "instructor" would not think of something like that, only…you are straightening out your right leg. If I ask why, "it" will say, I don’t know, but don’t do it….but get that club
. Rob — RSG Rollcall: http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/hamiltonr.htm Charter Member, RSG Clique
Rob, are these your words of protest? I’d be embarrassed, if I were you, to blurt out such ignorance in front of such a large audience. your friend, George I don’t know the history of your posts and I am not going to look them up now, but I sure as hell am going to read them with care in the future. Sleep well in your incredibly ignorant and judgmental "aura". Perhaps the odor will keep the devil from your door. George
no unfortunately im in nashville i was considering legends but i was wondering if anyone knows anyhting about it besides the fact that it’s reputation precedes it aaron – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 1. could anyone tell me where in my area to find a good instructor? Where abouts in Tennessee? If you’re anywhere near Memphis, it’s just a short hop to Tunica where you can go through the CompuSport program (but you gotta bring $$$$$$). :-) Dave Clary/Corpus Christi,TX RSG Clique-Associate Member http://www.geocities.com/~texasp38 RSG Roll Call http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/claryd.htm
1. could anyone tell me where in my area to find a good instructor?
Where abouts in Tennessee? If you’re anywhere near Memphis, it’s just a short hop to Tunica where you can go through the CompuSport program (but you gotta bring $$$$$$). :-) Dave Clary/Corpus Christi,TX RSG Clique-Associate Member http://www.geocities.com/~texasp38 RSG Roll Call http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/claryd.htm
Reader, skip to bruce’s question at the end of this answer first. Bruce: it’s bad because if it is without qualification that it is subject to adjustment, the pupil BELIEVES that that stance is ideal, and unknown to his pro, himself, and anyone else except God and a few of the angels in charge of the poor soul, HE WILL BE CONTRIVING, BE IT EVER SO SUBTLY, to TRY to conform a comfortable swing to fit THAT setup etc. AND IT HAS PROVEN TO FAIL TOO MANY PEOPLE. I teach from a point of view as follows which is much preferable in my very very humble opinion AND IT IS NOT TO CONDEMN OTHER TEACHING; IT IS TO STATE WHAT I LIKE BETTER AND SEEMS TO WORK WELL: to wit: 1) make a swing with any old grip. Observe how the clubface is oriented when it gets back to the ball. Now, without twisting your arms, leave your arms there, let go of the club, and let me orient the clubface square. Now swing again. This time, without doing anything in-swing, the clubface WILL be square. So the strength of grip is a result of THAT PERSON’S natural joints/folds/fits/bones/ etc. AND NOT ONE THAT BELONGS TO ANOTHER. Compare Ernie Els with David Duval. Neither could use the other’s grip successfully. 2) your trunk and lower body flexibility will place certain demands on the freedom of your left arm to move in a certain path. If you swing your arms up and down, you want to be able to swing your left hand on a vertical line down from "the top" and along in front of your body EXACTLY PARALLEL or over the target line. If this requires a bit of an adjustment in your feet and upper body to permit it, THEN MAKE THE NECESSARY ADJUSTMENT in feet, stance, posture, TO PERMIT IT. Do not start from a position, of for example, FEET SHOULDER WIDTH APART BETWEEN HEELS and then TRY to contrive an already impossible motion. BOTTOM LINE: the grip, posture, stance, ball position, and all details of setup are RESULTS OF THE DYNAMIC (read, in-motion) Features of your swinging motion. So they will be FOUND as a result of some motions, etc., NOT IMPOSED and then require of you to make motions to fit whatever impositions were put there to start with. That long version is the short version for this medium. But it might give you something to chew on. It is not the whole story. It does not intend to ignore the wisdom of established "good setup" principles and procedures. It DOES bring all those things into play IN PROPER PERSPECTIVE and in the adjustments that will make for fluency and precision, and probably later than the first few lessons or attempts. Now, just as it is not appropriate to write a serious review of a movie because you have seen the first five minutes of it, kindly do not assume that everything that needs to be said has been said here. The question leading to this tirade was :"why is this so bad" (starting someone with a dictum: "this is the grip and this is the setup". Trevino couldn’t play golf with "the setup", and either Els or Azinger couldn’t play with "the grip", depending on which "grip" you gave him.) Hope this helps. If not, tomorrow morning will be too late because I get guillotined at 6:30 am 11/3/00. Your friend, George
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [...] I would NEVER permit ANY teacher to start my son off with: OK NOW THIS IS THE GRIP AND THIS IS THE SETUP. That is your first sign of trouble. IN MY NOT SO HUMBLE DAMNED OPINION, FOR SURE. Why is this so bad, George? Just curious. Bruce Charter Member, RSG Clique RSG Roll Call: http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/newmanb.htm http://go.to/bruce_newman
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I imagine brass monkeys were valuable items in their time, and probably still are as collectable antiques. So your momma’s expression actually makes sense!
Where else but here could you learn such things? :) Thanks for sharing. — Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Warrior N33431
The problem is that brass and iron have different coeficients of expansion. In cold weather the brass hoops contracted more than the iron cannonballs, so the cannon balls would "fall" off the bass monkey.
I assume you mean that the brass hoops contracted LESS than the iron cannonballs. Even so, the story sounds pretty fishy to me. The cannonballs would have to be on the verge of falling through the hoops in the first place for the small difference in expansion/contraction to make them fall through. Pete
Even so, the story sounds pretty fishy to me. The cannonballs would have to be on the verge of falling through the hoops in the first place for the small difference in expansion/contraction to make them fall through.
Looks like you’re right: http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq107.htm –TWH
hi everyone! i was hoping someone could help me with a few questions i have about obtaining a private pilot certificate. i have been interested in becoming a pilot for as far back as i can remember and recently decided that i would take the plunge and go for it. however i am limited on time as i am still in school (boston university school of medicine) and will only really have one last "free" summer to pursue other interests. i wanted to get my ducks in a row if going for a ppl is truly possible. so it is with this that i come to you for help with these questions:
There are a number of exercises you can employ to help you to prepare for your PPL course that will greatly enhance the experience and make the learning process more efficient. Flying is one of those endeavours where details are important and close enough just doesn’t cut it. Hand-eye coordination is also important. You can develop both of those traits by practicing the use of the shift key. Don — Wm. Donald (Don) Tabor Jr., DDS PP-ASEL Chesapeake, VA – CPK, PVG
1 – is it possible/reasonable to obtain a license in about 12 wks or so
Easily… barring the usual things like weather, terrorists attacks, and slipping and breaking your leg. 2 – my next question is where do i go to learn? i am originally from texas (west texas as in el paso but have family all over that great state
You will find schools all over. If you like El Paso, then you do have the advantage of the weather probably not being a factor (sun, broken by random periods of sun). If you are around El Paso, check with Sue A. Critz. She’s a very good flight instructor there at ELP. 3 – is flying really all it’s cracked up to be?
That’s something I can’t answer *for you.* For me, yes… definitely. I suggest you give Sue a holler: Sue Critz 6825 Convair Rd # 1 El Paso, TX 79925 915-771-6655 and ask her about a "Discovery" (i.e. introductory) flight. This will give you a better feel than anything I can tell you here. Meanwhile, I would also suggest a book "Weekend Wings" by Frank Kingston Smith. Not about the technology of flight, but rather a book about his life and how being a general aviation pilot impacted it. It will give you a good feel for what it’s all about. jmk — James M. Knox TriSoft ph 512-385-0316 1109-A Shady Lane fax 512-366-4331
2 – my next question is where do i go to learn? i am originally from texas (west texas as in el paso but have family all over that great state and Sue Crit in El Paso is one of the best.
"Sue Critz"; and yes, I recommend her highly. [And I still owe her a steak dinner. <G] jmk James M. Knox TriSoft ph 512-385-0316 1109-A Shady Lane fax 512-366-4331
12 weeks is roughly 3 months, and that’s plenty of time if you’re really going at it "full time" and the weather coorporates. The question is your definition of "full time"and how committed you are to aviation. If you really like flying that much, and you really actually spend about 8 hours a day either studying or flying, there is no reason not to be able to get it in a month. But this is the only factor you have control of. To give you an idea, I started training in mid June flying roughly twice a week for about 1.7 hours each time. Sometimes I flew 3 times a week when the weather is really nice and I was able to ditch work. I was ready for the checkride by early September. but… As you will surely learn once you start flying, that there are many other things that will keep you grounded and make you frustrated. This include weather, airplane (unexpected maintainance, repairs, etc), and all sorts of unexpected things happening around you (family, girlfriend, even events like Sept 11 which kept me grounded for over a month since I live in NYC). So the best thing would be to make sure you spend alot of time before each lesson studying and preparing for the particular lesson and the license. What can help you immensely (atleast it did for me) was to be able to tape record each lesson. I was able to put together a camera/tripod setup in the back of the 152 wired up to the intercom so I can go home and review my flight (especially landings) from a 3rd person view. It is also much easier to hear what the CFI is telling you to do when you just have to watch someone else do it in the tape. If video taping is not possible, definitely try to voice record the intercom. As with rock collecting… well, I guess if you wanna join the geeks club instead of becoming a mile-high club inductor… best, Jeff T. PP-ASEL
Yes, you can do it in twelve weeks if you do it full time with one dedicated instructor. You’ll have to average about an hour a day in the air, and an hour or two on the ground studying. It will help if you’ve had experience with sailing, or model airplanes — something that has given you an appreciation for the way air flows. before you start, read Stick & Rudder by Wolfgang Langewiesche — still the best introduction to the mysteries. And remember that light aircraft are often called "doctor killers." Seth N8100R
I think for you, it sounds like yes, it will be. However, believe it or not, there are some people out there who have taken a lesson or two and decided that they didn’t really have that much interest in flying. They had been attracted to it by the challenge, or maybe with a specific goal of transportation, rather than by any genuine passion for flying, and been disappointed.
In my experience, very few people find flying boring or disappointing after a lesson or two. This may be what they announce publicly, after quitting, but it ain’t what they will tell you in private. Alone, in a quiet bar, after a few drinks, more than one has confessed to me that something scared them, or they didn’t think they’d ever be able to do it. I’ve heard others say that they just couldn’t afford it. One acquaintance had to quit lessons when his wife found out what he was doing with all that money. If Momma ain’t happy, ain’t NOBODY happy. Bottom line: There are any number of legitimate reasons to quit flying . But if you find flying anything but exciting and challenging, you’re dead from the neck up. — Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Warrior N33431
You can develop both of those traits by practicing the use of the
shift key. Haw haw! Good one! — Dan N9387D at BFM
hello again! thanks for all the replies! from what i have gathered by the responses: 1 – i should have a PPL by the end of the coming summer providing i put in enough full time hours 2 – i learned that sue critz comes highly recommended if el paso, tx is where i am to receive my training 3 – In order to become a successful pilot I need to capitalize proper nouns and the beginning word in each new sentence. This last one may take a little time any other advice is appreciated, feel free to email me or just post to this thread as i read this board everyday (i find it very inspiring). thanks again. chris – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – hi everyone! i was hoping someone could help me with a few questions i have about obtaining a private pilot certificate. i have been interested in becoming a pilot for as far back as i can remember and recently decided that i would take the plunge and go for it. however i am limited on time as i am still in school (boston university school of medicine) and will only really have one last "free" summer to pursue other interests. i wanted to get my ducks in a row if going for a ppl is truly possible. so it is with this that i come to you for help with these questions: 1 – is it possible/reasonable to obtain a license in about 12 wks or so if this is pursued as a full-time venture? i have read the various guidelines and national averages for flight/ground school time but these figures don’t help me much as they only discuss the minimum and average hours required and with no mention of how hard/easy it is to get these hours in (accounting for delays due to scheduling, weather, aircraft availability). the last thing i want to do is rush through something that i consider to be very important. is it reasonable to expect to schedule and accomplish the required tasks within this time period? 2 – my next question is where do i go to learn? i am originally from texas (west texas as in el paso but have family all over that great state and the options i have narrowed myself down to are schools in the el paso/southwest region or something in san antonio/austin area, as those two locales will find me sheltered and fed while in flight school. does anyone in the area have any suggestions as to what schools i should look into in either of the regions? presently i’m looking at a school in san antonio located at http://www.wrightflyers.com what are some things i need to keep in mind when selecting a school that i might not be aware of? 3 – is flying really all it’s cracked up to be? or should i just save my money and find another less expensive and adventurous hobby like perhaps rock collecting? (no offense to rock collectors as i’m sure there is adventure in anything you do if you do it right) [this last question is rhetorical, i'm sure we all --including us non-pilots-- know the answer to this] thanks, in advance, for your help cre
1 – is it possible/reasonable to obtain a license in about 12 wks or so if this is pursued as a full-time venture?
Yes, I did it back in ‘69 as part of an ROTC program — I flew between attending classes. I flew twice during the week and twice on Sunday. Personally, I think this is the only way to go. If you try to spread it out too much, you will forget what you’ve learned between lessons. I started my flying in mid-September and got my license the day after Thanksgiving. 2 – my next question is where do i go to learn? ihave narrowed myself down to are schools in the el paso/southwest region or something in san antonio/austin area,
You may have some wind related problems, but otherwise the weather should cooperate. Good thing you aren’t trying this in the south east. Morning = Fog, Afternoon = Thunderstorms. (My AF pilot training was at Moody AFB, by the big "O" in "Okeefenokee." 3 – is flying really all it’s cracked up to be?
I know that this is not a serious question, so I won’t bother answering it . Dan Flak I am not older than dirt. I just beta tested it.
Yeah…what everyone else said. Also keep up with this group and especially rec.aviation.student . I’m still learning from these groups! Best Wishes, Rodney PP-ASEL
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – hi everyone! i was hoping someone could help me with a few questions i have about obtaining a private pilot certificate. i have been interested in becoming a pilot for as far back as i can remember and recently decided that i would take the plunge and go for it. however i am limited on time as i am still in school (boston university school of medicine) and will only really have one last "free" summer to pursue other interests. i wanted to get my ducks in a row if going for a ppl is truly possible. so it is with this that i come to you for help with these questions: 1 – is it possible/reasonable to obtain a license in about 12 wks or so if this is pursued as a full-time venture? i have read the various guidelines and national averages for flight/ground school time but these figures don’t help me much as they only discuss the minimum and average hours required and with no mention of how hard/easy it is to get these hours in (accounting for delays due to scheduling, weather, aircraft availability). the last thing i want to do is rush through something that i consider to be very important. is it reasonable to expect to schedule and accomplish the required tasks within this time period? 2 – my next question is where do i go to learn? i am originally from texas (west texas as in el paso but have family all over that great state and the options i have narrowed myself down to are schools in the el paso/southwest region or something in san antonio/austin area, as those two locales will find me sheltered and fed while in flight school. does anyone in the area have any suggestions as to what schools i should look into in either of the regions? presently i’m looking at a school in san antonio located at http://www.wrightflyers.com what are some things i need to keep in mind when selecting a school that i might not be aware of? 3 – is flying really all it’s cracked up to be? or should i just save my money and find another less expensive and adventurous hobby like perhaps rock collecting? (no offense to rock collectors as i’m sure there is adventure in anything you do if you do it right) [this last question is rhetorical, i'm sure we all --including us non-pilots-- know the answer to this] thanks, in advance, for your help cre
3 – In order to become a successful pilot I need to capitalize proper nouns and the beginning word in each new sentence. This last one may take a little time
No, you need to cultivate the habit of doing things right even when you can get by with less. Laziness in little things leads to smoking holes more often than lack of skill or intelligence. Don — Wm. Donald (Don) Tabor Jr., DDS PP-ASEL Chesapeake, VA – CPK, PVG
Hi- I was able to get my PPL in just over 4 months "part-time" while working more than fulltime. This includes the delays due to the unfortunate September 11th tragedies. I live just west of Boston and went to KFIT (www.fcaflight.com). If you do decide to take lessons in the Boston area, I would highly recommend them, just a ride on the T from Boston, although probably a long one. The whole experience cost me about $4500 or so. While rock collecting has been known to be an exhilarating, breathtaking hobby to some, I personally have to say, getting the PPL is a truly unbelievable experience. I think it was one of the best choices I have made. I’ve had my license about 1 week. As I tell my wife, we’re not doing this to save money…. Good luck! Brett
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – hi everyone! i was hoping someone could help me with a few questions i have about obtaining a private pilot certificate. i have been interested in becoming a pilot for as far back as i can remember and recently decided that i would take the plunge and go for it. however i am limited on time as i am still in school (boston university school of medicine) and will only really have one last "free" summer to pursue other interests. i wanted to get my ducks in a row if going for a ppl is truly possible. so it is with this that i come to you for help with these questions: 1 – is it possible/reasonable to obtain a license in about 12 wks or so if this is pursued as a full-time venture? i have read the various guidelines and national averages for flight/ground school time but these figures don’t help me much as they only discuss the minimum and average hours required and with no mention of how hard/easy it is to get these hours in (accounting for delays due to scheduling, weather, aircraft availability). the last thing i want to do is rush through something that i consider to be very important. is it reasonable to expect to schedule and accomplish the required tasks within this time period? 2 – my next question is where do i go to learn? i am originally from texas (west texas as in el paso but have family all over that great state and the options i have narrowed myself down to are schools in the el paso/southwest region or something in san antonio/austin area, as those two locales will find me sheltered and fed while in flight school. does anyone in the area have any suggestions as to what schools i should look into in either of the regions? presently i’m looking at a school in san antonio located at http://www.wrightflyers.com what are some things i need to keep in mind when selecting a school that i might not be aware of? 3 – is flying really all it’s cracked up to be? or should i just save my money and find another less expensive and adventurous hobby like perhaps rock collecting? (no offense to rock collectors as i’m sure there is adventure in anything you do if you do it right) [this last question is rhetorical, i'm sure we all --including us non-pilots-- know the answer to this] thanks, in advance, for your help cre
hi everyone! i was hoping someone could help me with a few questions i have about obtaining a private pilot certificate. i have been interested in becoming a pilot for as far back as i can remember and recently decided that i would take the plunge and go for it. however i am limited on time as i am still in school (boston university school of medicine) and will only really have one last "free" summer to pursue other interests. i wanted to get my ducks in a row if going for a ppl is truly possible. so it is with this that i come to you for help with these questions: 1 – is it possible/reasonable to obtain a license in about 12 wks or so if this is pursued as a full-time venture?
I did mine in about 3.5 months at 4hrs/week. You should be able to do it in 12 weeks easily – baring weather problems. 2 – my next question is where do i go to learn?
Here in Pierre, SD we probably have some of the longest sunny periods in US. Just check the national weather picture and you will see that most storms from west miss us and Gulf of Mexico stuff does not come here. The main instructor (Forest) here has been teaching flying for 15 years. And they only charge $42/hr for C150 ($52/hr C172) and $20/15 for instructor. You can contact them at 605-224-9000 (tell them I sent you). 3 – is flying really all it’s cracked up to be?
Thats something you decide but the least I think it is a useful skill – emergency travel, travel w/o airport inspections, freedom, etc. Paul Lee …
3 – is flying really all it’s cracked up to be?
It’s expensive, it’s complicated, it can be difficult, it is more dangerous than sitting in your recliner watching TV, I’ve squandered countless valuable dollars on flying and airplanes since 1955, I’ve ‘wasted’ untold hours hanging around airports, it can be a lousy way to travel…what’d I leave out?? But I wouldn’t trade it for a brass monkey.. :-) (I’m not sure what that ‘brass monkey’ comment really means but my Momma used to say it in the same context, so it must be OK…)
3 – is flying really all it’s cracked up to be?
..what’d I leave out?? Well, you left out that all of your nonflying ‘friends’ cross the street when they see you coming… <umm, pilots don’t actually have friends who don’t fly, but you get my point Your spouse has the choice of wearing a new dress to the office christmas party, or paying the hangar rent… Your don’t find the movie "Airport" to be funny… You can’t watch a tv show that has an airplane in it without being disgusted by their ignorance…. You hang your head out the car window, like a dog going for a ride, to watch a low flying plane cross the highway just above you… You say things like, "Jeez, the density altitude has to be high today.", that get you lots of raised eyebrows and tapping of temples by people around you… You have holes in your shoes and frayed trouser cuffs as you are telling the guy working next to you about your $5,000 IFR GPS receiver…. Your wife never has to think twice about where to call when you don’t show up on time for supper… Your watch is big enough to choke an alligator and has lots of dials and knobs… You could stump a petroleum engineer with comparisons about low temperature viscosity and wetting charateristics of mineral oil versus synthetics…. And on, and on….
3 – is flying really all it’s cracked up to be? It’s expensive, it’s complicated, it can be difficult, it is more dangerous than sitting in your recliner watching TV, I’ve squandered countless valuable dollars on flying and airplanes since 1955, I’ve ‘wasted’ untold hours hanging around airports, it can be a lousy way to travel…what’d I leave out?? But I wouldn’t trade it for a brass monkey.. :-) (I’m not sure what that ‘brass monkey’ comment really means but my Momma used to say it in the same context, so it must be OK…)
Yes. we’ve heard the expression "cold enough to frezze the balls off a brass monkey." Sounds a little on the vulgar side, but it isn’t. On British warships in the early days, cannon balls were carted to the cannon on a device that held the cannon balls in iron hoops on the bottom. From the middle of the hoops stood a vertical bar. This bar had a crooked top so a couple of seamen could put a pole under it and lift the stack of cannon balls. The curved top resembled a monkey’s tail, so it was called a "monkey." The British Navy, being the British Navy had "cerimonial" versions of the monkey made out of brass (as if there weren’t enough brass on a man-of-war to polish) for inspections. The problem is that brass and iron have different coeficients of expansion. In cold weather the brass hoops contracted more than the iron cannonballs, so the cannon balls would "fall" off the bass monkey. I imagine brass monkeys were valuable items in their time, and probably still are as collectable antiques. So your momma’s expression actually makes sense! Dan Flak I am not older than dirt. I just beta tested it.
3 – is flying really all it’s cracked up to be? Well, you left out that all of your nonflying ‘friends’ cross the street when they see you coming… <umm, pilots don’t actually have friends who don’t fly, but you get my point Your spouse has the choice of wearing a new dress to the office christmas party, or paying the hangar rent… Your don’t find the movie "Airport" to be funny…
Naw, naw, you still find the movie "Airport" and "Airplane!" funney, but for all the WRONG reasons. You’ll just be laughing in all the right/wrong places (depending on how you look at it) You can’t watch a tv show that has an airplane in it without being disgusted by their ignorance…. You hang your head out the car window, like a dog going for a ride, to watch a low flying plane cross the highway just above you…
You’ll often find yourself almost causing accidents on the freeway when driving by even the smallest of airports. You say things like, "Jeez, the density altitude has to be high today.", that get you lots of raised eyebrows and tapping of temples by people around you… You have holes in your shoes and frayed trouser cuffs as you are telling the guy working next to you about your $5,000 IFR GPS receiver…. Your wife never has to think twice about where to call when you don’t show up on time for supper…
Reminds me of a joke: An Air Force pilot walks into a tavern, has a few drinks when he spies a comely lass sitting alone at the far side of the bar. Deftly he slips his wedding ring off and into a pocket as he orders her a drink. He goes over to talk to her, this leads to that leads to a trip back to her apartment. Before he leaves, he puts on his flight suit, kisses her good night and heads off for home. On the way he splashes some Jet-A on his flight suit an d stands in front of the exauhst for a few minutes. Before he goes inside, he puts on his O2 mask and seals it tight for a minute. He gets inside late to find his wife waiting up for him on the couch. He looks at her, and confesses the whole story. The bar, the young lady, the one night stand. All of it. To which his wife looks at him, frowns and yells back "Don’t lie to me, you’ve been flying that damned airplane again!" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Your watch is big enough to choke an alligator and has lots of dials and knobs… You could stump a petroleum engineer with comparisons about low temperature viscosity and wetting charateristics of mineral oil versus synthetics…. And on, and on….
hi everyone! i was hoping someone could help me with a few questions i have about obtaining a private pilot certificate. i have been interested in becoming a pilot for as far back as i can remember and recently decided that i would take the plunge and go for it. however i am limited on time as i am still in school (boston university school of medicine) and will only really have one last "free" summer to pursue other interests. i wanted to get my ducks in a row if going for a ppl is truly possible. so it is with this that i come to you for help with these questions: 1 – is it possible/reasonable to obtain a license in about 12 wks or so if this is pursued as a full-time venture? i have read the various guidelines and national averages for flight/ground school time but these figures don’t help me much as they only discuss the minimum and average hours required and with no mention of how hard/easy it is to get these hours in (accounting for delays due to scheduling, weather, aircraft availability). the last thing i want to do is rush through something that i consider to be very important. is it reasonable to expect to schedule and accomplish the required tasks within this time period? 2 – my next question is where do i go to learn? i am originally from texas (west texas as in el paso but have family all over that great state and the options i have narrowed myself down to are schools in the el paso/southwest region or something in san antonio/austin area, as those two locales will find me sheltered and fed while in flight school. does anyone in the area have any suggestions as to what schools i should look into in either of the regions? presently i’m looking at a school in san antonio located at http://www.wrightflyers.com what are some things i need to keep in mind when selecting a school that i might not be aware of? 3 – is flying really all it’s cracked up to be? or should i just save my money and find another less expensive and adventurous hobby like perhaps rock collecting? (no offense to rock collectors as i’m sure there is adventure in anything you do if you do it right) [this last question is rhetorical, i'm sure we all --including us non-pilots-- know the answer to this] thanks, in advance, for your help cre
1 – is it possible/reasonable to obtain a license in about 12 wks or so if this is pursued as a full-time venture?
Yes, unless you get a *really* unlucky stretch of weather. It’ll be a lot of work, and you’ll want to do some studying beforehand. But assuming your existing course load can accomodate some additional study time for aviation topics, it’s doable. Given your time restriction, I would try to find a school where the weather is consistently good, and where they have a large fleet (so that mechanical problems don’t delay you). 2 – my next question is where do i go to learn?
I dunno anything about schools in Texas. However, the Flight Training Magazine web site has a searchable database that should be helpful: http://www.flighttrainingmag.com/school/index.cfm For that matter, I haven’t had a chance to read their site thoroughly, but at a first glance, it appears that they have a lot of good, useful information for you. Try this link for starters: http://www.flighttrainingmag.com/learntofly/index.cfm 3 – is flying really all it’s cracked up to be? or should i just save my money and find another less expensive and adventurous hobby like perhaps rock collecting? [...] [this last question is rhetorical, i'm sure we all -- including us non-pilots-- know the answer to this]
Heh, you *think* it’s a rhetorical question. :) I think for you, it sounds like yes, it will be. However, believe it or not, there are some people out there who have taken a lesson or two and decided that they didn’t really have that much interest in flying. They had been attracted to it by the challenge, or maybe with a specific goal of transportation, rather than by any genuine passion for flying, and been disappointed. In case the Flight Training Magazine web site doesn’t mention it (though I’ll bet they do), one thing you should look for is demo flights with the schools you’re considering. For somewhere between $30-50, you should be able to get an introductory lesson with one of the schools instructors, in one of their planes. Do this for as many schools as you are considering. It will help you decide which school (and instructor) you like best, and it will also help you be sure of whether you will really enjoy flying or not, without having to invest a huge amount of money (usually an hour lesson can cost $100 or more, for the airplane and instructor). Pete
It is possible to get your pilot certificate in the time you describe. You should discuss matters of aircraft and instructor availability as well as whether or not the weather is likely to permit you to finish within your time constraints with your local flight instructor. After you learn to fly you should still plan on flying fairly regularly to keep current, so put that in your time budget. Some of the busiest people in the world manage to find time to fly. Your choice of flight school is largely determined by your budget for both time and money, as well as personal preferences. Obviously, the more money you can devote to learning to fly the nicer the airplanes and other facilities will be. Get too cheap and you could end up losing much of your investment when the flight school goes out of business or you could find that the planes simply aren’t in very good condition. Take an introductory flight with the school. The closer the school is to your home the less time you spend commuting and the more time you spend flying. The introductory flight will also tell you whether you like flying or not. The important question here is why do you want to fly? If you have a real transportation need then you can plan accordingly. A pilot certificate can give a medical professional enormous flexibility. People also fly because they like the challenge. Some pilots love to accumulate ratings and certificates — they love the process of learning. Others simply enjoy the sense of freedom — there really is something about soaring above a miles long traffic jam. Taking a floatplane to a quiet lake for a weekend of fishing, flying to a golf resort, a sunset dinner trip, or just going for a $100 hamburger are all reasons to fly. I like to visit my grandchildren in Idaho; the flight takes 3 hours each way, but all day if I drive. If these things are what you expect flying to be, then flying is all it is cracked up to be. Visit rec.aviation.student. Lots of tips on learning to fly there.
2 – my next question is where do i go to learn? i am originally from texas (west texas as in el paso but have family all over that great state and
Sue Crit in El Paso is one of the best.
If you are young & healthy & sharp (as I hope you are, if you are going to be operating on me some day) you should certainly be able to do just that. And God knows you won’t have time to pursue it when you are a resident! You will want to find a nearby airport and a good instructor and work out a plan. If you fly five days a week for an hour, you can in theory get 60 hours’ flying in 12 weeks. That ought to be plenty. You can shave it a bit by getting a recreational certificate, figuring on upgrading it later. (This works best if you are flying in the boondocks and can do without Class D airspace, or if you are happy flying in and out of just the one airport you’re training at.) You are wise to start now. I’d get the DVD or other video programs and the books now so you will have the basic knowledge down pat before you start. You might also want to go for your medical / student certificate so that is out of the way. Good luck! see the Warbird’s Forum at http://danford.net Jihad | Flying Tigers | Pacific War | Brewster Buffalo | Piper Cub
Hello everyone, I am a 22 year old dutch aircraft maintenance student, and I am hoping to become a professional pilot. I will be an official Dutch A&P in about May 1999, and it would be easy for me to obtain my American qualifications. But I want tobe a pilot. I was just wondering if there are some pilots here who could share me some of their experiences with being a professional pilot. What fligh school do you recommend, what is the best way to mkae a career when you’re a pilot? Do you have any advice?? Thanks a lot! Jan-Willem Tulp
I have a website that discusses becoming a professinoal pilot: http://www.mindspring.com/~dltaylor Doug Taylor 727
: Hello everyone, : I am a 22 year old dutch aircraft maintenance student, and I am hoping to : become a professional pilot. I will be an official Dutch A&P in about May : 1999, and it would be easy for me to obtain my American qualifications. But : I want tobe a pilot. I was just wondering if there are some pilots here who : could share me some of their experiences with being a professional pilot. : What fligh school do you recommend, what is the best way to mkae a career : when you’re a pilot? Do you have any advice?? Thanks a lot! : Jan-Willem Tulp
try a school under the aviation company such as Comair, United Airlines and Northwest Airlines. a
<< Granite Hill in Gettysburg charges you for early arrival. I do not remember what the fee was but with a grouchy M-I-L along, I was worth it…:-) Robin Thanks, Robin. I’m sure that sometimes it is worth plugging in early. Tom M
I’m not consistent enough to be a solid cheap skate. However, I aspire to cheapness after I retire. Tom M You get extra points for being a cheapskate while cruising aorund in a Peterbilt pulling a 100,000.00 fiver… Hunter http://members.aol.com/airstm2268/roadtrip2003.htm
The other day I saw a huge Lincoln limo pull up to a gas pump and put in $2.00. I found it funny at the time, but I suppose he might have needed just enough to get back to the hangar and the company’s own fuel supply. — Al Balmer Balmer Consulting
Cost a little more when I added the Maytag Neptune W/D, 48 inch TV, and diesel generator. Now if I only knew what color jumpsuit will be in style next spring…. Tom M
Get one in every color, that way you’ll always be in fashion, no matter what the circumstances. Hunter http://members.aol.com/airstm2268/roadtrip2003.htm
<< Now if I only knew what color jumpsuit will be in style next spring…. Tom M
Get one in every color, that way you’ll always be in fashion, no matter what the circumstances. Hunter, Good idea. What’s in style for Walmart might not be in style at truck stops. Tom M
Good idea. What’s in style for Walmart might not be in style at truck stops. Tom M
Exactly my thinking, you want to be stylisly turned out no matter what the occasion. Hunter http://members.aol.com/airstm2268/roadtrip2003.htm
<< Speaking of jumpsuits << "Hey sailor, I knew pilots had balls, but this is ridiculous". Canoli, I think that senior RVers would get a different reaction. Tom M
<< I think that senior RVers would get a different reaction. Tom M
? Canoli Meaning that we seniors can’t get away with the humor that those young bucks did. Tom M
<< Speaking of jumpsuits << "Hey sailor, I knew pilots had balls, but this is ridiculous". Canoli, I think that senior RVers would get a different reaction. Tom M
Ain’t _that_ the truth. Older women can be pretty bold these days. <G Lon
@aol.comnojunk says… << There really isn’t any point in messing up a nice afternoon by driving. << My thoughts exactly. Does anyone ever want to charge extra for coming in early? At the risk of sounding cheap, I’d consider staying at full hookups for twenty hours and flat topping for a couple of nights. Tom M
Granite Hill in Gettysburg charges you for early arrival. I do not remember what the fee was but with a grouchy M-I-L along, I was worth it…:-) Robin
I’m not consistent enough to be a solid cheap skate. However, I aspire to cheapness after I retire. Tom M
You get extra points for being a cheapskate while cruising aorund in a Peterbilt pulling a 100,000.00 fiver… Hunter http://members.aol.com/airstm2268/roadtrip2003.htm
<< You get extra points for being a cheapskate while cruising aorund in a Peterbilt pulling a 100,000.00 fiver… Cost a little more when I added the Maytag Neptune W/D, 48 inch TV, and diesel generator. Now if I only knew what color jumpsuit will be in style next spring…. Tom M
<< Does anyone ever want to charge extra for coming in early? At the risk of sounding cheap, I’d consider staying at full hookups for twenty hours and flat topping for a couple of nights. Tom M
No, and what’s wrong with sounding cheap? Lon I’m not consistent enough to be a solid cheap skate. However, I aspire to cheapness after I retire. Tom M
snipped My impression, which may be false, is that the new system has been implimented as a means of ensuring that member parks live up to their obligation to set aside as many sites as they have contracted to make available. It may well be a good thing, since others have complained about being turned away when plenty of empty sites have been obvious. We have never been turned away, but we arrive really early in the day. Lon
Not quite the same thing but we found parks that had different set aside numbers for AOR and RPI. We’d been out of the C2C for awhile when we stopped at Deer Creek RV and Golf Resort. They had many more sites for AOR than for RPI. We weren’t going to stay there that year and hadn’t "fixed" on a park yet so never did use them. In talking to AOR though, I found out they did contract for more sites than RPI. Have no idea what C2C does. I think we’ll stick with Passport America for now. It will suffice even when we decide to travel more. HD in NY
VanOstran) writes: It may well be a good thing, since others have complained about being turned away when plenty of empty sites have been obvious. We have never been turned away, but we arrive really early in the day. Lon
Same here, I’m pulling into the place when others are still leaving. Hunter http://members.aol.com/airstm2268/roadtrip2003.htm
We have never been turned away, but we arrive really early in the day. Lon Same here, I’m pulling into the place when others are still leaving. Hunter
There really isn’t any point in messing up a nice afternoon by driving. <g Lon
There really isn’t any point in messing up a nice afternoon by driving. <g Lon
My thoughts exactly. I’m in place, all hooked up to water and electric, the satellite tuned in by 12:30pm. Then I have the afternoon to relax, sightsee, visit with friends… It’s the best. Hunter http://members.aol.com/airstm2268/roadtrip2003.htm
<< There really isn’t any point in messing up a nice afternoon by driving. << My thoughts exactly. Does anyone ever want to charge extra for coming in early? At the risk of sounding cheap, I’d consider staying at full hookups for twenty hours and flat topping for a couple of nights. Tom M
Does anyone ever want to charge extra for coming in early? At the risk of sounding cheap, I’d consider staying at full hookups for twenty
hours and flat topping for a couple of nights. Tom M
No, I’ve never been charged extra. I suppose some might, I haven’t stayed everywhere yet. I’m in full hookups for about 21 hours a day…… talk about getting my money’s worth……. Tonight I watched a Prevost pull into the local Walmart….. I suppose he could have been shopping…… Hunter http://members.aol.com/airstm2268/roadtrip2003.htm
Does anyone ever want to charge extra for coming in early? At the risk of sounding cheap, I’d consider staying at full hookups for twenty hours and flat topping for a couple of nights. Tom M
No, and what’s wrong with sounding cheap? Lon
Is anyone able to tell me what the new rules are going to be concerning reservations? I heard from someone else something about some kind of a point system. Would love to hear from people about this and how it will change, if it will, how things are done. Also, I heard that the prices will be going up come this January. Anyone at all with info concerning this? GQ
Is anyone able to tell me what the new rules are going to be concerning reservations? I heard from someone else something about some kind of a point system. Would love to hear from people about this and how it will change, if it will, how things are done. Also, I heard that the prices will be going up come this January. Anyone at all with info concerning this? GQ
As of January 1, you must make a reservation, as I understand it. Everything is done via a point system, with points costing a penny each. C2C campground rate is 800 points per night. ($8), and Good Neighbor parks are 1300 points per night. ($13) If you buy $300. worth of points, they throw in 2,000 bonus points, and if you buy $500 worth, they throw in 5,000 bonus points. Points must be used within 36 months of when you buy them or they become worthless. They are not refundable. Left fuzzy, as it isn’t mentioned, is whether or not we can still just drive-up to some parks as was acceptable in the past. Frankly, with the new year changes to RPI and C2C, Passport America is looking better and better all the time. We haven’t decided which will go yet, but we will not be renewing with both C2C and RPI. RPI is easier to use now, but they don’t have the "Good Neighbor" parks. Lon
VanOstran) writes: Left fuzzy, as it isn’t mentioned, is whether or not we can still just drive-up to some parks as was acceptable in the past.
I bet you will be able to. In the three years I’ve been a C2C member I’ve only had to use those little camping cards at one resort, Myrtle Beach… oh, and Hart Ranch. Two resorts. The rest of them I showed my card and paid cash….. cash is tempting because they donlt have to send in and wait for the money. I have a feeling it’ll stay the same. Hunter http://members.aol.com/airstm2268/roadtrip2003.htm
I bet you will be able to. In the three years I’ve been a C2C member I’ve only had to use those little camping cards at one resort, Myrtle Beach… oh, and Hart Ranch. Two resorts. The rest of them I showed my card and paid cash….. cash is tempting because they donlt have to send in and wait for the money. I have a feeling it’ll stay the same. Hunter
My impression, which may be false, is that the new system has been implimented as a means of ensuring that member parks live up to their obligation to set aside as many sites as they have contracted to make available. It may well be a good thing, since others have complained about being turned away when plenty of empty sites have been obvious. We have never been turned away, but we arrive really early in the day. Lon
says… Is there a main coast to coast web page… I can’t seem to find it!
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Is there a main coast to coast web page… I can’t seem to find it! Thanks
Is there a main coast to coast web page… I can’t seem to find it!
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Is there a main coast to coast web page… I can’t seem to find it! Thanks
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