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To save you and I some time, as I am tired of you convoluted self aggradizement….. PLONK!!!!
Rob, I did that to George almost from day one, saved me alot of signal to noise time. 
Make Birdies, Not Spam. Mark Patron, RSG Clique
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PLONCK FER SURE, FROST. The non-sequiturs of the reality of my posts, my background, and my comments nad YOUR RESPONSES to them is classic. There are none so deaf as those who choose not to hear. Bye. George
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – This reply is unworthy of any response. (but that won’t keep me FROM responding.) Ah yes. George can make completely unsubstantiated and thoroughly unfair criticisms of all other golf instructors in what appears to be efforts to hawk his book, but heaven forbid anyone call him on it. I can aacept that you have some sort of teaching strategy. I can accept that you "like" gravity golf. There is nothing revolutionary about gravity golf, or anything that you say. Nothing. I am truely thankful that my father does not choose who I follow for golf instruction or anything else; like the father has a basis in knowledge to make such choices. I don’t care who gives you good reviews; that is not the issue to me. You need to substantiate why instructors with proven track records at all levels are so inferior; the answer that some dad in florida wants quick fixes so his son can be an average player on a college golf team hardly qualifies here. One of the things about Tiger Woods and Jack Nickluas in his day is a thorough knowledge of the golf swing. Woods, following another instructor, completely revamped his golf swing, and has 9 PGA TOUR wins this year, including 3 majors. Maybe the kid from FLa. will win a mini tour event some day…maybe the kid will get free himself of dad and follow his own star and make decisions and commitments needed to improve his golf game for his sake, rather than the sake of his father. Neither you or David Lee are a Galileo, although you are similar to Galileo in that Galileo was convicted of promoting the views of another, Copernicus. All instructors that I know address individual differences. You have never indicated ANY background knowledge in golf, or any basis that anyone should accept that you have knowledge of golf. What Nicklaus thinks, or anyone "thinks" some aspect of Gravity Golf or what ever you might have to say is irrelevant to YOUR background. You do not demonstrate a strong general knowledge of the golf swing. You do not put your ideas in context of what they mean in the context of a general idea of the golf swing. A strong grip has what effect, so that when a student is practicing, and has things happen, they have a basis for understanding. But I guess students aren’t supposed to practice…isn’t that a position of yours…banging balls and all that? Is the problem that they come back with questions that you can’t handle? If legitimate skepticism is unworthy of response, then you are in fact a snake oil salesman. I personally don’t mind your posts of suggestions on golf, they are no better/worse than anyone elses, which is the problem here. I do mind your ludicrous position that other concepts are flawed and invalid, with references like the Florida father. All you offer in response is shrill hyperbole, you never offer actual data to support challenges of your position of superiority. You have never offered anything novel, yet you claim to be revolutionary. For example, I heard and seen the narrow stance thing, 20 years ago, and I’m certain older players than I heard/saw it decades earlier than that. I have also been hesitatingly supportive of some aspects of what you say, like concepts on weight shift (you in fact do not push off the right foot, you shift your weight and the right foot is pulled forward, for example). This nonsense that you have no somehow answered every possible question, and thus any criticism at this point is out of ignorance is in itself ignorant. To save you and I some time, as I am tired of you convoluted self aggradizement….. PLONK!!!! Rob — RSG Rollcall: http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/hamiltonr.htm Charter Member, RSG Clique
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This reply is unworthy of any response. (but that won’t keep me FROM responding.)
Ah yes. George can make completely unsubstantiated and thoroughly unfair criticisms of all other golf instructors in what appears to be efforts to hawk his book, but heaven forbid anyone call him on it. I can aacept that you have some sort of teaching strategy. I can accept that you "like" gravity golf. There is nothing revolutionary about gravity golf, or anything that you say. Nothing. I am truely thankful that my father does not choose who I follow for golf instruction or anything else; like the father has a basis in knowledge to make such choices. I don’t care who gives you good reviews; that is not the issue to me. You need to substantiate why instructors with proven track records at all levels are so inferior; the answer that some dad in florida wants quick fixes so his son can be an average player on a college golf team hardly qualifies here. One of the things about Tiger Woods and Jack Nickluas in his day is a thorough knowledge of the golf swing. Woods, following another instructor, completely revamped his golf swing, and has 9 PGA TOUR wins this year, including 3 majors. Maybe the kid from FLa. will win a mini tour event some day…maybe the kid will get free himself of dad and follow his own star and make decisions and commitments needed to improve his golf game for his sake, rather than the sake of his father. Neither you or David Lee are a Galileo, although you are similar to Galileo in that Galileo was convicted of promoting the views of another, Copernicus. All instructors that I know address individual differences. You have never indicated ANY background knowledge in golf, or any basis that anyone should accept that you have knowledge of golf. What Nicklaus thinks, or anyone "thinks" some aspect of Gravity Golf or what ever you might have to say is irrelevant to YOUR background. You do not demonstrate a strong general knowledge of the golf swing. You do not put your ideas in context of what they mean in the context of a general idea of the golf swing. A strong grip has what effect, so that when a student is practicing, and has things happen, they have a basis for understanding. But I guess students aren’t supposed to practice…isn’t that a position of yours…banging balls and all that? Is the problem that they come back with questions that you can’t handle? If legitimate skepticism is unworthy of response, then you are in fact a snake oil salesman. I personally don’t mind your posts of suggestions on golf, they are no better/worse than anyone elses, which is the problem here. I do mind your ludicrous position that other concepts are flawed and invalid, with references like the Florida father. All you offer in response is shrill hyperbole, you never offer actual data to support challenges of your position of superiority. You have never offered anything novel, yet you claim to be revolutionary. For example, I heard and seen the narrow stance thing, 20 years ago, and I’m certain older players than I heard/saw it decades earlier than that. I have also been hesitatingly supportive of some aspects of what you say, like concepts on weight shift (you in fact do not push off the right foot, you shift your weight and the right foot is pulled forward, for example). This nonsense that you have no somehow answered every possible question, and thus any criticism at this point is out of ignorance is in itself ignorant. To save you and I some time, as I am tired of you convoluted self aggradizement….. PLONK!!!! Rob — RSG Rollcall: http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/hamiltonr.htm Charter Member, RSG Clique
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OK. We know. You don’t think most/some/a lot of/whatever golf instructors are any good. I feel soory for the supposed Fla college golfer. You have to learn all the nuances of the game if you want tobe really good. You have to know all the grip variations and their effect on your game. You have to know whay you use your grip. You also have to start somewhere. A conventional stance with a grip apprpriat for the individual as a beginner is a good place to start. Most teaching pros know these things; they are fundamental. Conventional golf does, and always has worked best. The "alternate" methods are all crocks. No-one will be helped by what you like better…if you can’t cover all the bases in instruction, you are incompetent to instruct. You seem to be saying that you don’t want to bother with learning and teaching ALL about the golf swing, because you have some one thing that is so much better than anything else that all else is a waste of time. Load-O-bull. Sounds to me that you dislike "conventional golf" because you don’t want to take the time to learn it; you teach what you "know". BTW, say Jim Flick on TGC. They were talking about physical limitations. How far can you stretch your hamstring. I tried the test. I can’t stretch my hamstrings very much. They said that not being able to stretch your hamstrings very much limits your swing because if you go too far back (for me past 3/4) your right leg will straighten out, with the resulting fatal consequences. I recognize the consequences! That was good information! I will be watching when my leg straightens out in my backswing during practice from now on, and limit my backswing to a point well in advance of that at which my leg straightens out when I play. I will also work on flexibility in my legs. Now, some hack driving range "instructor" would not think of something like that, only…you are straightening out your right leg. If I ask why, "it" will say, I don’t know, but don’t do it….but get that club Rob — RSG Rollcall: http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/hamiltonr.htm Charter Member, RSG Clique
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ADDITIONAL GEORGE COMMENTS TO FROST: Ah yes. George can make completely unsubstantiated and thoroughly unfair criticisms of all other golf instructors
IGNORE THE PRAISE I GAVE WHERE IT WAS DUE, AND IGNORE THE REALITY OF MISLEADING INSTRUCTIONS THAT I DOCUMENTED. YOUR CONCLUSION IS THAT IF ANYONE HAS MISSTATED ANYTHING, it is unfair criticism of the INSTRUCTOR. . George’s comments were about the instruction point being discussed, not the instructor. Maybe your tutor was on vacation when you read that particular stuff. in what appears to be efforts to hawk his book,
GOOD SPIN. (readers, if Scott doesn’t get the irony of my next phrase, please don’t let it be lost on You!) NO, I DON’T WANT TO SELL ANY BOOKS. NEVER. OUT OF THE QUESTION. BE SURE TO KILL ALL THE COMMERCIAL MESSAGES I HAVE SENT. DAMN, GOT ANOTHER EMAIL FROM HIBBARD THIS MORNING. GEORGE-DESTROY THE BOOKS TO REMOVE ALL CONFLICT OF INTEREST. (The fact that you have a love for the game and helping people is of no value because you want to get money.) SO but heaven forbid anyone call him on it. I can aacept that you have some sort of teaching strategy. I can accept that you "like" gravity golf. There is nothing revolutionary about gravity golf, or anything that you say. Nothing. I am truely thankful that my father does not choose who I follow for golf instruction or anything else; like the father has a basis in knowledge to make such choices.
THE "FATHER" YOU SPEAK OF IS AN EXTREMELY HIGHLY EDUCATED GOLFER, WITH CONTACTS AT THE VERY HIGHEST LEVELS OF GOLFDOM. HE IS A DEEP STUDENT OF THE GAME, AND IS THE FIRST PERSON IN MY LIFE WHO KNEW THE DETAILS OF AN EXTREMELY TECHNICAL POINT THAT CAME UP, SO WHEN I ASKED HIM HOW HE KNEW THAT, HE JUST GAVE THE FAINTEST SMILE. THE MAN DEVELOPS MULTIMILLION DOLLAR GOLF RESORTS, HOBNOBS WITH THE PROFESSIONAL CIRCUIT IN HIS DAILY LIFE ROUTINELY, AND IS HIMSELF A SERIOUSLY WELL EDUCATED STUDENT OF GOLF. FOR YOU TO PRESUME TO BE SO FLIPPANT, JUDGMENTAL ABOUT SOMEONE YOU DON’T HAVE THE FOGGIEST NOTION OF IS JUST APPALLING. SWALLOW YOUR OWN VOMIT, DAMN IT FROST. I don’t care who gives you good reviews; that is not the issue to me. READ: MY MIND IS MADE UP, DO NOT BOTHER ME
WITH FACTS. You need to substantiate why instructors with proven track records at all levels are so inferior; NEVER SAID THEY
WERE. POINTED TO PROBLEMATIC TEACHINGS THAT ARISE BECAUSE OF LANGUAGE/COMMUNICATION EVEN FROM THE GREATEST IN THE WORLD. the answer that some dad ["SOME DAD" -- DOES THAT SOUND PERJORATIVE, READER?] in florida
wants quick fixes HE WANTED ME PRECISELY BECAUSE OF MY DEPTH WITH THE PRECISELY OPPOSITE OF QUICK FIXES so his son can be an average player on a college golf team hardly qualifies here. HE WAS THE CAPTAIN
OF HIS PROMINENT UNIVERSITY — 50,000 STUDENTS — GOLF TEAM IN FLORIDA. One of the things about Tiger Woods and Jack Nickluas [STET FROST'S SPELLING. I FORGIVE
YOU THAT, F. CHALK IT UP TO "TYPO".]in his day is a thorough knowledge of the golf swing. Woods, following another instructor, completely revamped his golf swing, and has 9 PGA TOUR wins this year, including 3 majors. Maybe the kid from FLa. will win a mini tour event some day…maybe the kid will get free himself of dad YEAH. HIS DAD’S WISDOM
IS FOR NAUGHT, SO LET THE KID GO OUT ON HIS OWN, AFTER ALL HE’S 21 NOW. FORGET STUPID DAD. DAD IS AN IDIOT. HATES HIS KID. KNOWS NOTHING. IS NOT TO BE LISTENED TO. HAS NOTHING TO OFFER. CAN’T TIE HIS OWN SHOES. DISSIPATES HIS LIFE. HATES HIS KID SO HIS EFFORTS TO FIND THE BEST ARE ACTUALLY A CONSPIRACY TO DESTROY THE KID. AND IF I HAVEN’T SAID IT YET, HE SHOULD HAVE KICKED DAD OUT OF THE HOUSE 6 YEARS AGO. HE GOT BIGGER THAN DAD WHEN HE WAS 14, ACTUALLY. SO 8 YEARS AGO, DAMNIT. and follow his own star and make decisions and commitments needed to improve his golf game for his sake, rather than the sake of his father. [DID I SAY THE KID'S NOSE
WAS INJURED FROM THE ROPE ATTACHED TO HIS FATHER PULLING IT? "GOSH, .... (insert name here), STILL ON YOUR DADDY'S BABY LIST? WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO GROW UP AND THROW DADDA FROM THE TRAIN?"] GEORGE TALKING NOW: Now I have a story for the audience, on point: Guy is at a golf resort for his timeshare week, and goes to the sauna. All steamed up, can’t see. Gets in and overhears three guys talking about bringing their kids over for the shindig at the club. Conversation goes something like this: "Yeah, I didn’t like what my son was getting so I’m taking him to XX, can’t help him anymore myself. Second guy says: me too, but I like XY better. Third guy says, "you both have a different slant than I do, I’m taking MY son to XZ". Guy asks gents: how old are your kids? Answers: mine’s 26, Mine’s 28, and third voice says 30". Guy gets out of the sauna, and while getting dressed tells his friend getting ready to go in that he just met three idiots with three idiot kids. Why are the men idiots. Answer: because they are Dads, and we all know how ANYone who plays golf always thinks he knows everything, and they think they know what’s best for their adult kids for guiding them to golf instruction. Why are the kids idiots? "Because they can’t think for themselves — they ‘re following their dads around on a leash, and the kids are grown men!" Just then three men emerge from the sauna. Guy recognizes Jack Nicklaus, Dave Stockton, and Ray Floyd. End of story, but beginning of moral: for a completely uninformed stranger to make a prejudgment as to the competence of a "dad," or as to the maturity and judgment of his adult son to "fend for himself" based SOLELY on the fact that the kid and dad together were looking for golf instruction for the kid, –for that kind of a prejudgment to stand as credible is EXACTLY ON POINT WITH THE LITTLE STORY OF THE THREE BEARS in the above paragraph. The depth of the knowledge of both the real father in the story retold, — an EXTREMELY knowledgable adult and golfer, and the real son referred to – the then captain of his university golf team – not a bad start.. is so far beyond what I now suspect FROST’S golf knowledge to be probably amounts to universes of difference. When someone is caught in court with a lie, the rest of his testimony is just about worthless. By the same token, if someone has been revealed to be so stupid as to even begin to prejudge someone he has never met and about whom he is clueless and brand him with the broad brush of soccer daddy without a clue with the words "like a father has a basis in knowledge to make such choices," he has totally destroyed his credibility for common sense, knowledge, or even worthiness of an audience. If my good friend ..XXX… (name is private and I WILL NOT insult him with even beginning to let him in on these comments of yours) and you were in the same room with THIS man, it would be appropriate for you to kiss his shoes and dismiss yourself, Frost, after your unbelievably crass and clueless comments Now back to Supreme Court Chief Justice FROST: Neither you or David Lee are a Galileo, although you are similar to Galileo in that Galileo was convicted of promoting the views of another, Copernicus. NO, MY NAME IS GOD. NONE OF THESE OR ANY OTHER MINDS BEGIN TO APPROACH
MY GREATNESS, FROST. uuuuuuuuuuuuuGGGGGGGGGGGGGGhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. All instructors that I know address individual differences. You have never indicated ANY background knowledge in golf, or any basis that anyone should accept that you have knowledge of golf. HAVEN’T READ MY
POSTS, MY BOOK, SEEN MY VIDEOS, OR DONE ANYTHING TO ARRIVE AT THAT OPINION THAN SIT IN YOUR CORNER AND SNIPE. YOUR COMMENTS ARE WORTHLESS, FROST. What Nicklaus thinks, or anyone "thinks" some aspect of Gravity Golf or what ever you might have to say is irrelevant to YOUR background. OF COURSE, THE FACT
THAT I CONTINUALLY REFER TO PRINCIPLES ESPOUSED BY SUCH AND USED BY THE GREAT GOLFERS IS IRRELEVANT, FROST. AND WHERE DID YOU DO YOUR RESEARCH, FROSTBACK? WHILE WE’RE ON THAT. I, GEORGE, WANT TO SEE YOUR CURRICULUM VITAE BY RETURN POST. You do not demonstrate a strong general knowledge of the golf swing. WHEN DOES THE
INQUISITION AND INQUIRY BEGIN? ARE YOU GOING TO USE A DEPOSITION FORMAT? AND HAVE YOU PREPARED YOUR QUESTIONS (and your guillotine)? HOW LONG IS THIS EXAM BEFORE ANYONE IS ALLOWED TO POST IDEAS, OPINIONS, AND EXPLANATIONS HERE BASED ON THEIR TRAINING AND CONVICTIONS ONTO THIS FORUM? AND WHO ARE YOU GOING TO APPOINT TO HELP YOU IN YOUR FINAL JUDGMENTS — YOU BEING THE CHIEF JUSTICE. You do not put your ideas in context of what they mean in the context of a general idea of the golf swing. A strong grip has what effect, so that when a student is practicing, and has things happen, they have a basis for understanding. WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY HERE? But I guess students
aren’t supposed to practice [OF COURSE ALL MY PUPILS DON'T NEED TO PRACTICE; THEY GO FROM ONE LESSON TO Q SCHOOL.]…isn’t that a position of yours…banging balls and all that? Is the problem that they come back with questions that you can’t handle? [OF COURSE I
KNOW NOTHING AT ALL. CAN'T HANDLE ANY QUESTIONS. GOLLY GEE, FROST. GOT ME ON THAT ONE. BUT I'LL RUN TO MY LOCAL PGA PRO AND HE'LL TELL ME.] If legitimate skepticism is unworthy of response, then you are in fact a snake oil salesman. I personally don’t mind your posts of suggestions on golf, they are no better/worse than anyone elses, which is the problem here. I do mind your ludicrous position that other concepts are flawed and invalid, with references like the Florida father. [LISTEN UP
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Re: The last post I made, with some vehement comments on some George-blasting: I have actually NO idea who the author is that made the comments I take issue with. The replay of messages in this format leaves me lost. Whoever wrote it, hear my responses. If anyone mistakenly got blamed or feels blamed for something he didn''t say, I'm sorry... George the last post was:
- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - This reply is unworthy of any response. (but that won't keep me FROM responding.) To criticize a work where the critic is in virtual TOTAL ignorance of what it says is stupid. To impute that a few sentences that an author writes is ALL he knows is stupid. The perjorative of the comment is stupid. This man REFUSES TO READ OR, IF HE READ, TO ALLOW ANY VALUE to reviews of GH's material by 1) a golf -experienced physicist with 135 other instruction books and videos, 2) serious high level golfers with 40 to 100 books and videos each, 3) less prolifically trained but experienced golfers with tons of other materials which have failed them but GH's were considered "the best they've ever seen" and 4) many other reviews of equal substance and personal "happy" experience. He denigrates the reviewers and golfers as though they too are incompetent idiots (Ph.D. level University Professors, and so on...). The "supposed" Fla college golfer's Dad had already been to Orlando and rejected every single teacher he knew of there for help to his son, but chose to REJECT their approach; (he could afford any of them, driven an hour to get there for his son), BUT HE CHOSE ME.. SPECIFICALLY. WITH KNOWLEDGE, WITH AWARENESS, AND WITH DECISION. (His son is a very large talent who has tested extremely high in PGA stuff, all the details of which I didn't need to codify because reality plays golf, not his test stats.) It may be time for ME to killfile consistent and obstinate stupidity. etc.
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I am a golfer of only 3 months but i seem to have a natural ability in the game, i shoot about bogey golf already but i was going to get some lessons because i know i dont hit the ball as far as i should (or about 10-20 yds shorter than my brother), here is my question What should i have in mind for lessons, i would like some info on what questions i need to ask my teacher before im $150 lighter 1. could anyone tell me where in my area to find a good instructor? 2. what do i look for in a good instructor? thanks in advance aaron
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I am a golfer of only 3 months but i seem to have a natural ability in the game, i shoot about bogey golf already but i was going to get some lessons because i know i dont hit the ball as far as i should (or about 10-20 yds shorter than my brother), here is my question What should i have in mind for lessons, i would like some info on what questions i need to ask my teacher before im $150 lighter 1. could anyone tell me where in my area to find a good instructor? 2. what do i look for in a good instructor? thanks in advance aaron Common sense, aaron. If you are not HELPED SUBSTANTIALLY IMMEDIATELY
during the first 15 minutes, because you see some good sense and some direct and easy explanations of how the swing works, seriously question that teacher's value to you. Some are out there hidden and are superior. Sometimes the most visible trade on their reputation and are NOT (damn, my caps are only 12 point -- I need 64...) I would NEVER permit ANY teacher to start my son off with: OK NOW THIS IS THE GRIP AND THIS IS THE SETUP. That is your first sign of trouble. IN MY NOT SO HUMBLE DAMNED OPINION, FOR SURE. Your friend, George. - Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -
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[...] I would NEVER permit ANY teacher to start my son off with: OK NOW THIS IS THE GRIP AND THIS IS THE SETUP. That is your first sign of trouble. IN MY NOT SO HUMBLE DAMNED OPINION, FOR SURE.
Why is this so bad, George? Just curious. Bruce Charter Member, RSG Clique RSG Roll Call: http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/newmanb.htm http://go.to/bruce_newman
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I didn’t finish the thought of previous answer to this post: the rest of the answer is that YOU DESERVE TO KNOW EXACTLY WHY a particular item in your grip, stance, setup, are being suggested. Because text book or model swing positions are for text books and models, not for your build. I don’t refute the "general guidelines" as a place to start. But you want deeper than that –ESPECIALLY what is the dynamic principle of centrifugal force, how does that relate to the golf swing release, what do you do to the handle of the club when you swing to use force appropriately (e.g., you do NOT manipulate the shaft!), and so on. What is correct swing path? What puts the club there SPECIFICALLY – not willy nilly and hope. You do not WALK like anyone else, truth be told — your walk looks DIFFERENT, but you walk by the same PRINCIPLES as anyone else. Pro swings have, essentially, the following things in common: 1) their exertions and intentions with the club are essentially the SAME (interior things that are in their mind and how they direct their procedure); 2) the appearances of their swings ALL have some idiosyncratic DIFFERENCES which are often irrelevant (Trevino’s stance vs. anyone else; Azinger’s setup vs. anyone else. Couple’s setup vs. anyone else. etc.). Another point you prove: your own instincts ("natural ability" as you call it,) indicate that you already have tapped into essentials fairly well. Now just do NOT (there’s that 12 point cap max again, where’s the 64 button?) allow ANYONE to mess you up. Be leery. No matter the "authority" - my own experience with the "Southeast Florida PGA Teacher of the Year" that cost me $100 for 1/2 hour (I wanted the best….) was abYSmal. The father of the then captain of a major Florida university golf team and my then pupil — JERKS HIS KID OUT OF THE CART whenever some guru / playing companion in the cart starts talking "mechanics". HE knows the serious importance and subtlety of WRONG information and its potential for serious damage. If you want more specifics, write to me and I’ll get into it deeper. Used up my quota for this post. George
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This reply is unworthy of any response. (but that won’t keep me FROM responding.) To criticize a work where the critic is in virtual TOTAL ignorance of what it says is stupid. To impute that a few sentences that an author writes is ALL he knows is stupid. The perjorative of the comment is stupid. This man REFUSES TO READ OR, IF HE READ, TO ALLOW ANY VALUE to reviews of GH’s material by 1) a golf -experienced physicist with 135 other instruction books and videos, 2) serious high level golfers with 40 to 100 books and videos each, 3) less prolifically trained but experienced golfers with tons of other materials which have failed them but GH’s were considered "the best they’ve ever seen" and 4) many other reviews of equal substance and personal "happy" experience. He denigrates the reviewers and golfers as though they too are incompetent idiots (Ph.D. level University Professors, and so on…). The "supposed" Fla college golfer’s Dad had already been to Orlando and rejected every single teacher he knew of there for help to his son, but chose to REJECT their approach; (he could afford any of them, driven an hour to get there for his son), BUT HE CHOSE ME.. SPECIFICALLY. WITH KNOWLEDGE, WITH AWARENESS, AND WITH DECISION. (His son is a very large talent who has tested extremely high in PGA stuff, all the details of which I didn’t need to codify because reality plays golf, not his test stats.) It may be time for ME to killfile consistent and obstinate stupidity. George ,
OK. We know. You don’t think most/some/a lot of/whatever golf instructors are any good. I feel soory for the supposed Fla college golfer. You have to learn all the nuances of the game if you want tobe really good. You have to know all the grip variations and their effect on your game. You have to know whay you use your grip.
THE STATEMENT MADE CARRIES THE ASSUMPTION THAT I DO NOT. NICE TRY. You also have to start somewhere. A conventional stance with a grip apprpriat for the individual as a beginner is a good place to start. Most teaching pros know these things; they are fundamental. OBVIOUS YOU DON’T READ POSTS. IT’S EASIER TO SNIPE; TOO MUCH WORK TO READ… Conventional golf does, and always has worked best. The "alternate" methods are all crocks. SO WAS ….(FILL IN THE BLANKS…. WHO INVENTED …OR WROTE…..) No-one will be helped by what you like better…if you can’t cover all the bases in instruction, you are incompetent to instruct. YUP. SO AUTOMATICALLY, THAT INCLUDES ME -
TOTALLY UNABLE TO "COVER ALL THE BASES. YUP. YOUR STATEMENT MAKES IT SO. You seem to be saying that you don’t want to bother with learning and teaching ALL about the golf swing, because you have some one thing that is so much better than anything else that all else is a waste of time. YOUR WORDS AND SPIN, MR. WHOEVER YOU ARE. AGAIN,
READING IMPAIRED. NICE TRY. YOUR STUPIDITY IS SHOWING THROUGH AGAIN. READING 101 – THERE ARE TUTORS AVAILABLE…. Load-O-bull. Sounds to me that you dislike "conventional golf" because you don’t want to take the time to learn it; you teach what you "know". AAAAGGGHHH……YEAH; NICKLAUS, DD, DL, DAVID
HAVE ENTHUSIASTICALLY REFERRED TO. THEY ARE ALL "CONVENTIONAL" SO SINCE I HAVE PROVEN I DON’T LIKE THEM OR HAVEN’T TAKEN THE TIME TO LEARN "IT", IT MEANS THAT ……. DON’T FOLLOW YOUR GARBAGE, WRITER. BTW, say Jim Flick on TGC. They were talking about physical limitations. How far can you stretch your hamstring. I tried the test. I can’t stretch my hamstrings very much. They said that not being able to stretch your hamstrings very much limits your swing because if you go too far back (for me past 3/4) your right leg will straighten out, with the resulting fatal consequences. I recognize the consequences! That was good information! I will be watching when my leg straightens out in my backswing during practice from now on, and limit my backswing to a point well in advance of that at which my leg straightens out when I play. I will also work on flexibility in my legs. WONDERFUL, ROB. GOOD LUCK IN YOUR NEW INFORMATION. OF COURSE GH IS
TOTALLY WRONG WHEN HE ADDRESSES INDIVIDUAL DIFFERENCES IN HIS TEACHING BECAUSE THE TEXT BOOK MODEL IS THE ONLY ONE AVAILABLE. Again, a reading problem… Now, some hack driving range "instructor" would not think of something like that, only…you are straightening out your right leg. If I ask why, "it" will say, I don’t know, but don’t do it….but get that club
. Rob — RSG Rollcall: http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/hamiltonr.htm Charter Member, RSG Clique
Rob, are these your words of protest? I’d be embarrassed, if I were you, to blurt out such ignorance in front of such a large audience. your friend, George I don’t know the history of your posts and I am not going to look them up now, but I sure as hell am going to read them with care in the future. Sleep well in your incredibly ignorant and judgmental "aura". Perhaps the odor will keep the devil from your door. George
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no unfortunately im in nashville i was considering legends but i was wondering if anyone knows anyhting about it besides the fact that it’s reputation precedes it aaron – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 1. could anyone tell me where in my area to find a good instructor? Where abouts in Tennessee? If you’re anywhere near Memphis, it’s just a short hop to Tunica where you can go through the CompuSport program (but you gotta bring $$$$$$). :-) Dave Clary/Corpus Christi,TX RSG Clique-Associate Member http://www.geocities.com/~texasp38 RSG Roll Call http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/claryd.htm
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1. could anyone tell me where in my area to find a good instructor?
Where abouts in Tennessee? If you’re anywhere near Memphis, it’s just a short hop to Tunica where you can go through the CompuSport program (but you gotta bring $$$$$$). :-) Dave Clary/Corpus Christi,TX RSG Clique-Associate Member http://www.geocities.com/~texasp38 RSG Roll Call http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/claryd.htm
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Reader, skip to bruce’s question at the end of this answer first. Bruce: it’s bad because if it is without qualification that it is subject to adjustment, the pupil BELIEVES that that stance is ideal, and unknown to his pro, himself, and anyone else except God and a few of the angels in charge of the poor soul, HE WILL BE CONTRIVING, BE IT EVER SO SUBTLY, to TRY to conform a comfortable swing to fit THAT setup etc. AND IT HAS PROVEN TO FAIL TOO MANY PEOPLE. I teach from a point of view as follows which is much preferable in my very very humble opinion AND IT IS NOT TO CONDEMN OTHER TEACHING; IT IS TO STATE WHAT I LIKE BETTER AND SEEMS TO WORK WELL: to wit: 1) make a swing with any old grip. Observe how the clubface is oriented when it gets back to the ball. Now, without twisting your arms, leave your arms there, let go of the club, and let me orient the clubface square. Now swing again. This time, without doing anything in-swing, the clubface WILL be square. So the strength of grip is a result of THAT PERSON’S natural joints/folds/fits/bones/ etc. AND NOT ONE THAT BELONGS TO ANOTHER. Compare Ernie Els with David Duval. Neither could use the other’s grip successfully. 2) your trunk and lower body flexibility will place certain demands on the freedom of your left arm to move in a certain path. If you swing your arms up and down, you want to be able to swing your left hand on a vertical line down from "the top" and along in front of your body EXACTLY PARALLEL or over the target line. If this requires a bit of an adjustment in your feet and upper body to permit it, THEN MAKE THE NECESSARY ADJUSTMENT in feet, stance, posture, TO PERMIT IT. Do not start from a position, of for example, FEET SHOULDER WIDTH APART BETWEEN HEELS and then TRY to contrive an already impossible motion. BOTTOM LINE: the grip, posture, stance, ball position, and all details of setup are RESULTS OF THE DYNAMIC (read, in-motion) Features of your swinging motion. So they will be FOUND as a result of some motions, etc., NOT IMPOSED and then require of you to make motions to fit whatever impositions were put there to start with. That long version is the short version for this medium. But it might give you something to chew on. It is not the whole story. It does not intend to ignore the wisdom of established "good setup" principles and procedures. It DOES bring all those things into play IN PROPER PERSPECTIVE and in the adjustments that will make for fluency and precision, and probably later than the first few lessons or attempts. Now, just as it is not appropriate to write a serious review of a movie because you have seen the first five minutes of it, kindly do not assume that everything that needs to be said has been said here. The question leading to this tirade was :"why is this so bad" (starting someone with a dictum: "this is the grip and this is the setup". Trevino couldn’t play golf with "the setup", and either Els or Azinger couldn’t play with "the grip", depending on which "grip" you gave him.) Hope this helps. If not, tomorrow morning will be too late because I get guillotined at 6:30 am 11/3/00. Your friend, George
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [...] I would NEVER permit ANY teacher to start my son off with: OK NOW THIS IS THE GRIP AND THIS IS THE SETUP. That is your first sign of trouble. IN MY NOT SO HUMBLE DAMNED OPINION, FOR SURE. Why is this so bad, George? Just curious. Bruce Charter Member, RSG Clique RSG Roll Call: http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/newmanb.htm http://go.to/bruce_newman