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&#34;DrLith&#34; &#60;drl&#8230;@hotmail.com&#62; wrote in message 
news:35bantF4kkbcmU1@individual.net&#8230;  &#62; You and Tim would get along swimmingly&#8230; 
*twitch*  Why do I get husbands with the same names as everyone else&#8217;s?  And believe it or not&#44; that would&#8217;ve been a typical statement from mine.  Jess 

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<p>&quot;DrLith&quot; &lt;drl&#8230;@hotmail.com&gt; wrote in message </p>
<p>news:35bantF4kkbcmU1@individual.net&#8230;  &gt; You and Tim would get along swimmingly&#8230; </p>
<p>*twitch*  Why do I get husbands with the same names as everyone else&#8217;s?  And believe it or not&#44; that would&#8217;ve been a typical statement from mine.  Jess </p>
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<p>mL wrote:  &gt; &gt;&gt; most of that money on unique craftsmanship rather than a stupid  diamond  &gt; &gt;&gt; solitaire. I hope it turns out as pretty as I see it in my mind!  &gt; &gt;This is what we did too. We got nice&#44; custom wedding bands&#44; and  completely  &gt; &gt;skipped the diamond for her. I love wearing it (so does she).  &gt; I&#8217;m glad to hear i&#8217;m not the only one who didn&#8217;t go around flashing a  diamond  &gt; ring. <img src='http://golferswiki.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>I never got one either. &nbsp;We were too poor and it&#8217;s not a priority for  either of us.  Lilith- my best wishes to you and your boyfriend and may you have a  long&#44; healthy and happy marriage. </p>
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<p>&quot;DrLith&quot; &lt;drl&#8230;@hotmail.com&gt; wrote in message </p>
<p>news:352q5dF4fu6qgU1@individual.net&#8230;  &gt; Oh&#44; happy day! </p>
<p>Congrats. <img src='http://golferswiki.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' />   Jess </p>
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<p>- Hide quoted text &#8212; Show quoted text -DrLith wrote:  &gt; Well&#44; folks&#8230;I&#8217;ve been away for a few weeks&#44; and the long and short of it  &gt; is that one of the things that happened during that time is that my BF took  &gt; advantage of a particularly romantic moment and &quot;officially&quot; asked me to  &gt; marry him. We had booked a 3 night stay at a ski resort in WA state. They  &gt; didn&#8217;t have enough snow to open for skiing&#44; but we did wind up staying the  &gt; first night because it was too late to drive on to the next alternative.  &gt; I told him that he had to go out for a walk in the snow with me after  &gt; dinner. We followed the x-country trail into the snowy woods&#44; and when we  &gt; stopped to enjoy the moment&#44; he asked&#44; &quot;so&#44; would you want to marry me&#44;&quot; and  &gt; I said&#44; &quot;of course&#44; you silly man&#44;&quot; and that was it! It was simple and  &gt; gorgeous and perfect.  &gt; We had already made notice of a custom jewelry shop in Seattle&#44; so we spent  &gt; a couple hours there toward the end of our trip having custom rings  &gt; designed. In the end&#44; we decided it was a significant enough thing to merit  &gt; spending a little money on the jewelry&#44; but we both are happier spending  &gt; most of that money on unique craftsmanship rather than a stupid diamond  &gt; solitaire. I hope it turns out as pretty as I see it in my mind!  &gt; Now we are moving forward on giving shape to a similarly nontraditional  &gt; wedding. It&#8217;s his first&#44; and while he&#8217;d probably be ok doing a simple JP  &gt; ceremony&#44; his parents do want to fly up&#44; and I&#8217;m sure my immediate family  &gt; would like to be involved as well&#44; so we&#8217;re probably going to spend a little  &gt; to rent a mega 5-6 BR vacation house in the mountains for a week&#44; within a  &gt; few hours&#8217; drive from our home base in DC&#44; and keep everything else quite  &gt; simple. Tim says he knew I was the girl for him the day he asked me if I&#8217;d  &gt; rather have a cottage by the beach or a cabin in the mountains and I said  &gt; &quot;cabin in the mountains&quot; without hesitating for a second. So&#44; it&#8217;s  &gt; appropriate.  &gt; Oh&#44; happy day! </p>
<p>Congratulations Kath! &nbsp;It sounds like the moment was perfect. &nbsp;:)  Cheryl </p>
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<p>&quot;JWB&quot; &lt;jwb3333__takeou&#8230;@excite.com&gt; wrote in message </p>
<p>news:35b9n5F4kit0aU1@individual.net&#8230;  &gt; &quot;DrLith&quot; &lt;drl&#8230;@hotmail.com&gt; wrote in message  &gt; news:35b97mF4kck0bU1@individual.net&#8230;  &gt; &gt; Thanks! It&#8217;s just too bad we showed up in the middle of the week&#44; and  what  &gt; &gt; appeared to be a slightly stressful week at that. Still&#44; in a couple  years  &gt; &gt; you&#8217;ll be free of your financial obligations to those freeloadin&#8217;  &gt; &gt; lumberjacks you call sons&#44; and it&#8217;ll be easier to get away for a weekend  &gt; &gt; of  &gt; &gt; hot-tubbin&#8217;&#44; lodge-bunnyin&#8217;&#44; and cute little Ugg boot wearing&#8230;.  &gt; And if there *is* any Lez action&#44; take video. Because I won&#8217;t believe it  if  &gt; I don&#8217;t see it. </p>
<p>You and Tim would get along swimmingly&#8230; </p>
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<p>&quot;DrLith&quot; &lt;drl&#8230;@hotmail.com&gt; wrote in message </p>
<p>news:35b97mF4kck0bU1@individual.net&#8230;  &gt; Thanks! It&#8217;s just too bad we showed up in the middle of the week&#44; and what  &gt; appeared to be a slightly stressful week at that. Still&#44; in a couple years  &gt; you&#8217;ll be free of your financial obligations to those freeloadin&#8217;  &gt; lumberjacks you call sons&#44; and it&#8217;ll be easier to get away for a weekend  &gt; of  &gt; hot-tubbin&#8217;&#44; lodge-bunnyin&#8217;&#44; and cute little Ugg boot wearing&#8230;. </p>
<p>And if there *is* any Lez action&#44; take video. Because I won&#8217;t believe it if  I don&#8217;t see it. </p>
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<p>&quot;Lauri&quot; &lt;res0r&#8230;@spamlessverizon.net&gt; wrote in message </p>
<p>news:5to0v0952nvbeed5rbnhij8idtpku68r6g@4ax.com&#8230;  &gt; On Thu&#44; 20 Jan 2005 19:42:56 -0500&#44; &quot;DrLith&quot; &lt;drl&#8230;@hotmail.com&gt;  &gt; wrote:  &gt; &gt;I&#8217;ll leave her to chime in with her impressions of the famous DrLith and  &gt; &gt;DrLith&#8217;s Sweetie.  &gt; DrLith is hot&#44; and her sweetie ain&#8217;t too bad&#44; either. I suspect that  &gt; our dear Doctor may be guilty of cradle-robbing to a slight degree  &gt; (not that there is anything wrong with that!). </p>
<p>What was it my mom said? &quot;We think he&#8217;s just terrific&#44; though he does look  like he&#8217;s about 19 years old.&quot; (He&#8217;s actually just 2 years younger than my  bad self.)  &gt; Seriously&#44; I was  &gt; pleased to share a couple of very pleasant hours with two really nice  &gt; people&#44; and I couldn&#8217;t be happier knowing that you two are tying the  &gt; knot. </p>
<p>Thanks! It&#8217;s just too bad we showed up in the middle of the week&#44; and what  appeared to be a slightly stressful week at that. Still&#44; in a couple years  you&#8217;ll be free of your financial obligations to those freeloadin&#8217;  lumberjacks you call sons&#44; and it&#8217;ll be easier to get away for a weekend of  hot-tubbin&#8217;&#44; lodge-bunnyin&#8217;&#44; and cute little Ugg boot wearing&#8230;. </p>
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<p>On Thu&#44; 20 Jan 2005 19:42:56 -0500&#44; &quot;DrLith&quot; &lt;drl&#8230;@hotmail.com&gt;  wrote:  &gt;I don&#8217;t know how I managed to leave out the fact&#44; also&#44; that on this  &gt;wonderful vacation we got to meet the delightful Lauri in WA&#44; who lives near  &gt;something close to my idea of paradise. She is even hotter in person than in  &gt;my fake-lesbian fantasies! &lt;DUCK&gt; </p>
<p>Fake!!?? &nbsp;They&#8217;re FAKE fantasies??? &nbsp; &nbsp;*Now* ya tell me!  &gt;I&#8217;ll leave her to chime in with her impressions of the famous DrLith and  &gt;DrLith&#8217;s Sweetie. </p>
<p>DrLith is hot&#44; and her sweetie ain&#8217;t too bad&#44; either. I suspect that  our dear Doctor may be guilty of cradle-robbing to a slight degree  (not that there is anything wrong with that!). &nbsp;Seriously&#44; I was  pleased to share a couple of very pleasant hours with two really nice  people&#44; and I couldn&#8217;t be happier knowing that you two are tying the  knot.  Lauri in WA  I like my email spamless </p>
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<p>&quot;GeoWolf &#8211; AKA GGGNH&quot; &lt;GG&#8230;@nospam.net&gt; wrote in message  news:GGGNH-3CEA9E.01174718012005@host71.newsfeeds.com&#8230;  &gt; You have always belonged. Congrats and best wishes. Just curious&#44; the  &gt; kids excited? </p>
<p>The kids&#8211;well&#44; it is going to be a long and strange trip with that one&#44; as  always. DD7 was already saying&#44; when we picked her up at her dad&#8217;s and  before the &quot;big announcement&quot; was made: &quot;I want daddy to die and you to  marry Tim and then Tim can be my daddy.&quot; This is the girl who 6 months ago  would have jumped to the moon for her dad&#8230; <img src='http://golferswiki.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' />  &nbsp;I think she&#8217;s responding  to the fact that her dad actually tells her to eat her vegetables and stuff  when she&#8217;s with him&#44; whereas Tim quite rightly leaves the Bad Cop stuff for  me to handle.  DS9&#44; who has control issues&#44; took a week or so to come to terms with the  idea. Then the PS2 arrived&#44; and things were suddenly much better.  His control issues continue to manifest themselves&#44; however&#44; insofar as he  has declared that I must wear a dress with &quot;big puffy sleeves&#44;&quot; which is not  exactly what I had in mind. I think if we let him pick out the paint color  for Tim&#8217;s living room and his own new bedroom&#44; the Little God may be  appeased. He also asked today if he could be the Ring Bearer&#44; and I told him  that&#8217;d be ok with me&#8211;he seemed jazzed about that. </p>
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<p>&quot;WhansaMi&quot; &lt;whans&#8230;@aol.com&gt; wrote in message </p>
<p>news:20050117174116.00990.00000080@mb-m04.aol.com&#8230;  &gt; Congratulations!  &gt; Which mountains do you plan to go to for the wedding? &nbsp;We have a place at  &gt; Bryce. &nbsp;It really is lovely there. </p>
<p>Thanks to everyone for the congratulations! We have narrowed the list down  to 3 possibilities&#44; I think&#44; after looking at a ton of different places. In  the end&#44; we decided that privacy trumped closeness-to-recreation&#44; so we  eliminated all the ski/golf resort homes (including a couple at Bryce that  were on the list). Now we&#8217;re trying to narrow it down between a couple of  multi-unit properties in the Berkeley Springs WV area and a single-unit 5 BR  house on 5 acres&#44; near Massanutten in VA. Our top choice is one that has 3  3-BR rustic log cabins on an old farmstead&#44; which would allow us much  flexibility in terms of how many people show up and for how long&#44; and give  everyone quite a bit of breathing room.  I don&#8217;t know how I managed to leave out the fact&#44; also&#44; that on this  wonderful vacation we got to meet the delightful Lauri in WA&#44; who lives near  something close to my idea of paradise. She is even hotter in person than in  my fake-lesbian fantasies! &lt;DUCK&gt;  I&#8217;ll leave her to chime in with her impressions of the famous DrLith and  DrLith&#8217;s Sweetie. </p>
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<p>DrLith &lt;drl&#8230;@hotmail.com&gt; wrote:  &gt; Now we are moving forward on giving shape to a similarly nontraditional  &gt; wedding. </p>
<p>Congratulations.  I recommend writing your own vows. &nbsp;It was very bonding and fun for us. </p>
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<p>JWB &lt;jwb3333__takeou&#8230;@excite.com&gt; wrote:  &gt; &nbsp;In the end&#44; we decided it was a significant enough thing to  &gt; &gt; merit  &gt; &gt; spending a little money on the jewelry&#44; but we both are happier spending  &gt; &gt; most of that money on unique craftsmanship rather than a stupid diamond  &gt; &gt; solitaire. I hope it turns out as pretty as I see it in my mind!  &gt; This is what we did too. We got nice&#44; custom wedding bands&#44; and completely  &gt; skipped the diamond for her. I love wearing it (so does she). </p>
<p>Us too! &nbsp;I did inherit my grandmother&#8217;s wedding ring&#44; so if I *want* to  wear a diamond ring I can. &nbsp;But I rarely want to. </p>
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<p>DrLith wrote:  &gt; Oh&#44; happy day! </p>
<p>Congratulations&#44; Dr. K. <img src='http://golferswiki.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> ))  Tracey </p>
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<p>&quot;DN B&quot; &lt;DNa&#8230;@webtv.net&gt; wrote in message </p>
<p>news:24114-41EC3ABB-228@storefull-3232.bay.webtv.net&#8230;  &gt; &#8216;Tim says he knew I was the girl for him the day he asked me if I&#8217;d  &gt; rather have a cottage by the beach or a cabin in the mountains and I  &gt; said &quot;cabin in the mountains&quot; without hesitating for a second. So&#44; it&#8217;s  &gt; appropriate.&#8217;  &gt; Could you tell us how long youve both dated each other ? &nbsp;And&#44; how much  &gt; PreMarital Counseling youve had ? Thanks. Best wishes. </p>
<p>We&#8217;ve known each other for 9 months. As someone else mentioned&#44; we haven&#8217;t  done premarital counseling because we have only been committed to the idea  of getting married for a couple of weeks now. I&#8217;d certainly be open to  suggestions for good programs that others have used or heard good reports on  (we&#8217;re both committedly atheist). However&#44; I&#8217;m somewhat worried we&#8217;d wind up  spending hundreds of dollars on something that we could have learned from a  $20 book. A quick Google search has turned up a surprisingly limited number  of resources so far&#44; but maybe I&#8217;m looking in the wrong places. </p>
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<p>CONGRATULATIONS!  Kass  &quot;DrLith&quot; &lt;drl&#8230;@hotmail.com&gt; wrote in message </p>
<p>news:352q5dF4fu6qgU1@individual.net&#8230;  : Well&#44; folks&#8230;I&#8217;ve been away for a few weeks&#44; and the long and short of it  : is that one of the things that happened during that time is that my BF  took  : advantage of a particularly romantic moment and &quot;officially&quot; asked me to  : marry him. We had booked a 3 night stay at a ski resort in WA state. They  : didn&#8217;t have enough snow to open for skiing&#44; but we did wind up staying the  : first night because it was too late to drive on to the next alternative.  : I told him that he had to go out for a walk in the snow with me after  : dinner. We followed the x-country trail into the snowy woods&#44; and when we  : stopped to enjoy the moment&#44; he asked&#44; &quot;so&#44; would you want to marry me&#44;&quot;  and  : I said&#44; &quot;of course&#44; you silly man&#44;&quot; and that was it! It was simple and  : gorgeous and perfect.  :  : We had already made notice of a custom jewelry shop in Seattle&#44; so we  spent  : a couple hours there toward the end of our trip having custom rings  : designed. In the end&#44; we decided it was a significant enough thing to  merit  : spending a little money on the jewelry&#44; but we both are happier spending  : most of that money on unique craftsmanship rather than a stupid diamond  : solitaire. I hope it turns out as pretty as I see it in my mind!  :  : Now we are moving forward on giving shape to a similarly nontraditional  : wedding. It&#8217;s his first&#44; and while he&#8217;d probably be ok doing a simple JP  : ceremony&#44; his parents do want to fly up&#44; and I&#8217;m sure my immediate family  : would like to be involved as well&#44; so we&#8217;re probably going to spend a  little  : to rent a mega 5-6 BR vacation house in the mountains for a week&#44; within a  : few hours&#8217; drive from our home base in DC&#44; and keep everything else quite  : simple. Tim says he knew I was the girl for him the day he asked me if I&#8217;d  : rather have a cottage by the beach or a cabin in the mountains and I said  : &quot;cabin in the mountains&quot; without hesitating for a second. So&#44; it&#8217;s  : appropriate.  :  : Oh&#44; happy day!  :  : </p>
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<p>DN B wrote:  &gt; &#8216;Tim says he knew I was the girl for him the day he asked me if I&#8217;d  &gt; rather have a cottage by the beach or a cabin in the mountains and I  &gt; said &quot;cabin in the mountains&quot; without hesitating for a second. So&#44; it&#8217;s  &gt; appropriate.&#8217;  &gt; Could you tell us how long youve both dated each other ? &nbsp;And&#44; how much  &gt; PreMarital Counseling youve had ? Thanks. Best wishes. </p>
<p>Typically&#44; &#8216;premarital counselling&#8217; doesn&#8217;t occur until after the  engagement. &nbsp;So my guess is none. &nbsp;I know my wife and I didn&#8217;t have any  premarital counselling until after we met with a preacher and he  suggested it (very strongly &#8230; as in I won&#8217;t marry you until).  Toddly </p>
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<p>&gt;&gt; most of that money on unique craftsmanship rather than a stupid diamond  &gt;&gt; solitaire. I hope it turns out as pretty as I see it in my mind!  &gt;This is what we did too. We got nice&#44; custom wedding bands&#44; and completely  &gt;skipped the diamond for her. I love wearing it (so does she). </p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad to hear i&#8217;m not the only one who didn&#8217;t go around flashing a diamond  ring. <img src='http://golferswiki.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
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<p>Well&#44; folks&#8230;I&#8217;ve been away for a few weeks&#44; and the long and short of it  is that one of the things that happened during that time is that my BF took  advantage of a particularly romantic moment and &quot;officially&quot; asked me to  marry him. We had booked a 3 night stay at a ski resort in WA state. They  didn&#8217;t have enough snow to open for skiing&#44; but we did wind up staying the  first night because it was too late to drive on to the next alternative.  I told him that he had to go out for a walk in the snow with me after  dinner. We followed the x-country trail into the snowy woods&#44; and when we  stopped to enjoy the moment&#44; he asked&#44; &quot;so&#44; would you want to marry me&#44;&quot; and  I said&#44; &quot;of course&#44; you silly man&#44;&quot; and that was it! It was simple and  gorgeous and perfect.  We had already made notice of a custom jewelry shop in Seattle&#44; so we spent  a couple hours there toward the end of our trip having custom rings  designed. In the end&#44; we decided it was a significant enough thing to merit  spending a little money on the jewelry&#44; but we both are happier spending  most of that money on unique craftsmanship rather than a stupid diamond  solitaire. I hope it turns out as pretty as I see it in my mind!  Now we are moving forward on giving shape to a similarly nontraditional  wedding. It&#8217;s his first&#44; and while he&#8217;d probably be ok doing a simple JP  ceremony&#44; his parents do want to fly up&#44; and I&#8217;m sure my immediate family  would like to be involved as well&#44; so we&#8217;re probably going to spend a little  to rent a mega 5-6 BR vacation house in the mountains for a week&#44; within a  few hours&#8217; drive from our home base in DC&#44; and keep everything else quite  simple. Tim says he knew I was the girl for him the day he asked me if I&#8217;d  rather have a cottage by the beach or a cabin in the mountains and I said  &quot;cabin in the mountains&quot; without hesitating for a second. So&#44; it&#8217;s  appropriate.  Oh&#44; happy day! </p>
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<p>In article &lt;352q5dF4fu6q&#8230;@individual.net&gt;&#44; &quot;DrLith&quot; &lt;drl&#8230;@hotmail.com&gt; wrote:  &gt;Oh&#44; happy day! </p>
<p>CONGRATS AND HUGS!!! <img src='http://golferswiki.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
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<p>- Hide quoted text &#8212; Show quoted text -DrLith wrote:  &gt; Well&#44; folks&#8230;I&#8217;ve been away for a few weeks&#44; and the long and short of it  &gt; is that one of the things that happened during that time is that my BF  took  &gt; advantage of a particularly romantic moment and &quot;officially&quot; asked me to  &gt; marry him. We had booked a 3 night stay at a ski resort in WA state. They  &gt; didn&#8217;t have enough snow to open for skiing&#44; but we did wind up staying the  &gt; first night because it was too late to drive on to the next alternative.  &gt; I told him that he had to go out for a walk in the snow with me after  &gt; dinner. We followed the x-country trail into the snowy woods&#44; and when we  &gt; stopped to enjoy the moment&#44; he asked&#44; &quot;so&#44; would you want to marry me&#44;&quot;  and  &gt; I said&#44; &quot;of course&#44; you silly man&#44;&quot; and that was it! It was simple and  &gt; gorgeous and perfect.  &gt; We had already made notice of a custom jewelry shop in Seattle&#44; so we  spent  &gt; a couple hours there toward the end of our trip having custom rings  &gt; designed. In the end&#44; we decided it was a significant enough thing to  merit  &gt; spending a little money on the jewelry&#44; but we both are happier spending  &gt; most of that money on unique craftsmanship rather than a stupid diamond  &gt; solitaire. I hope it turns out as pretty as I see it in my mind!  &gt; Now we are moving forward on giving shape to a similarly nontraditional  &gt; wedding. It&#8217;s his first&#44; and while he&#8217;d probably be ok doing a simple JP  &gt; ceremony&#44; his parents do want to fly up&#44; and I&#8217;m sure my immediate family  &gt; would like to be involved as well&#44; so we&#8217;re probably going to spend a  little  &gt; to rent a mega 5-6 BR vacation house in the mountains for a week&#44; within a  &gt; few hours&#8217; drive from our home base in DC&#44; and keep everything else quite  &gt; simple. Tim says he knew I was the girl for him the day he asked me if I&#8217;d  &gt; rather have a cottage by the beach or a cabin in the mountains and I said  &gt; &quot;cabin in the mountains&quot; without hesitating for a second. So&#44; it&#8217;s  &gt; appropriate.  &gt; Oh&#44; happy day! </p>
<p>Wow&#44; I wouldn&#8217;t have believed it already! &nbsp; &nbsp; Congratulations&#44; Kath! </p>
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<p>&quot;DrLith&quot; &lt;drl&#8230;@hotmail.com&gt; wrote in message </p>
<p>news:352q5dF4fu6qgU1@individual.net&#8230;  &gt; Well&#44; folks&#8230;I&#8217;ve been away for a few weeks&#44; and the long and short of it  &gt; is that one of the things that happened during that time is that my BF  &gt; took  &gt; advantage of a particularly romantic moment and &quot;officially&quot; asked me to  &gt; marry him. </p>
<p>whoo hoo!!!  We had booked a 3 night stay at a ski resort in WA state. They  &gt; didn&#8217;t have enough snow to open for skiing&#44; but we did wind up staying the  &gt; first night because it was too late to drive on to the next alternative.  &gt; I told him that he had to go out for a walk in the snow with me after  &gt; dinner. We followed the x-country trail into the snowy woods&#44; and when we  &gt; stopped to enjoy the moment&#44; he asked&#44; &quot;so&#44; would you want to marry me&#44;&quot;  &gt; and  &gt; I said&#44; &quot;of course&#44; you silly man&#44;&quot; and that was it! It was simple and  &gt; gorgeous and perfect. </p>
<p>very nice.  &gt; We had already made notice of a custom jewelry shop in Seattle&#44; so we  &gt; spent  &gt; a couple hours there toward the end of our trip having custom rings  &gt; designed. In the end&#44; we decided it was a significant enough thing to  &gt; merit  &gt; spending a little money on the jewelry&#44; but we both are happier spending  &gt; most of that money on unique craftsmanship rather than a stupid diamond  &gt; solitaire. I hope it turns out as pretty as I see it in my mind! </p>
<p>This is what we did too. We got nice&#44; custom wedding bands&#44; and completely  skipped the diamond for her. I love wearing it (so does she).  &gt; Now we are moving forward on giving shape to a similarly nontraditional  &gt; wedding. It&#8217;s his first&#44; and while he&#8217;d probably be ok doing a simple JP  &gt; ceremony&#44; his parents do want to fly up&#44; and I&#8217;m sure my immediate family  &gt; would like to be involved as well&#44; so we&#8217;re probably going to spend a  &gt; little  &gt; to rent a mega 5-6 BR vacation house in the mountains for a week&#44; within a  &gt; few hours&#8217; drive from our home base in DC&#44; and keep everything else quite  &gt; simple. Tim says he knew I was the girl for him the day he asked me if I&#8217;d  &gt; rather have a cottage by the beach or a cabin in the mountains and I said  &gt; &quot;cabin in the mountains&quot; without hesitating for a second. So&#44; it&#8217;s  &gt; appropriate.  &gt; Oh&#44; happy day! </p>
<p>Sounds really nice &#8211; small is the way to go!! Best of luck!! </p>
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<p>DrLith wrote:  &gt; Oh&#44; happy day! </p>
<p>Woo Hoo! &lt;VBG&gt; Doing the happy dance for you both! </p>
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<p>DrLith wrote:  &gt; Tim says he knew I was the girl for him the day he asked me if I&#8217;d  &gt; rather have a cottage by the beach or a cabin in the mountains and I  said  &gt; &quot;cabin in the mountains&quot; without hesitating for a second. So&#44; it&#8217;s  &gt; appropriate.  &gt; Oh&#44; happy day! </p>
<p>Wow! Congrats Kathy&#44; and many wishes for a happy future together!  Doing backflips for you over here!  jen </p>
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<p>&#8216;Tim says he knew I was the girl for him the day he asked me if I&#8217;d  rather have a cottage by the beach or a cabin in the mountains and I  said &quot;cabin in the mountains&quot; without hesitating for a second. So&#44; it&#8217;s  appropriate.&#8217;  Could you tell us how long youve both dated each other ? &nbsp;And&#44; how much  PreMarital Counseling youve had ? Thanks. Best wishes. </p>
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<p>&gt;&gt;&gt;Well&#44; folks&#8230;I&#8217;ve been away for a few weeks&#44; and the long and short of it </p>
<p>is that one of the things that happened during that time is that my BF took  advantage of a particularly romantic moment and &quot;officially&quot; asked me to  marry him. We had booked a 3 night stay at a ski resort in WA state. They  didn&#8217;t have enough snow to open for skiing&#44; but we did wind up staying the  first night because it was too late to drive on to the next alternative.  I told him that he had to go out for a walk in the snow with me after  dinner. We followed the x-country trail into the snowy woods&#44; and when we  stopped to enjoy the moment&#44; he asked&#44; &quot;so&#44; would you want to marry me&#44;&quot; and  I said&#44; &quot;of course&#44; you silly man&#44;&quot; and that was it! It was simple and  gorgeous and perfect.  We had already made notice of a custom jewelry shop in Seattle&#44; so we spent  a couple hours there toward the end of our trip having custom rings  designed. In the end&#44; we decided it was a significant enough thing to merit  spending a little money on the jewelry&#44; but we both are happier spending  most of that money on unique craftsmanship rather than a stupid diamond  solitaire. I hope it turns out as pretty as I see it in my mind!  Now we are moving forward on giving shape to a similarly nontraditional  wedding. It&#8217;s his first&#44; and while he&#8217;d probably be ok doing a simple JP  ceremony&#44; his parents do want to fly up&#44; and I&#8217;m sure my immediate family  would like to be involved as well&#44; so we&#8217;re probably going to spend a little  to rent a mega 5-6 BR vacation house in the mountains for a week&#44; within a  few hours&#8217; drive from our home base in DC&#44; and keep everything else quite  simple. Tim says he knew I was the girl for him the day he asked me if I&#8217;d  rather have a cottage by the beach or a cabin in the mountains and I said  &quot;cabin in the mountains&quot; without hesitating for a second. So&#44; it&#8217;s  appropriate.  Oh&#44; happy day!&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;  Congratulations!  Which mountains do you plan to go to for the wedding? &nbsp;We have a place at  Bryce. &nbsp;It really is lovely there.  Sheila </p>
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		<title>Where to play &#8230;help</title>
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My wife has put together a last minute 4th of July trip to St.  Michaels&#8230;located on the Chesapeake Bay in Maryland.. &#160;It is about half an  hour &#160;across the bay bridge from Annapolis. &#160;Nearby towns include Cambridge  and Easton.  I&#8217;m looking for a nice course to play while I&#8217;m there.  [...]]]></description>
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<p>My wife has put together a last minute 4th of July trip to St.  Michaels&#8230;located on the Chesapeake Bay in Maryland.. &nbsp;It is about half an  hour &nbsp;across the bay bridge from Annapolis. &nbsp;Nearby towns include Cambridge  and Easton.  I&#8217;m looking for a nice course to play while I&#8217;m there.  Any suggestions ?  Thanks in advance. </p>
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<p> My wife has put together a last minute 4th of July trip to St.  Michaels&#8230;located on the Chesapeake Bay in Maryland.. &nbsp;It is about half an  hour &nbsp;across the bay bridge from Annapolis. &nbsp;Nearby towns include Cambridge  and Easton.  I&#8217;m looking for a nice course to play while I&#8217;m there.  Any suggestions ?  Thanks in advance. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never played it myself&#44; but Hog Neck in Easton has a good reputation.  Kenny  &#8212;  Kenny Stultz &#8211; Troll and SPAM intolerant  RSG Rollcall: http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=stultzk  &quot;Golf is the only sport where a precise knowledge of the Rules can  earn one a reputation for poor sportsmanship&quot; </p>
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<p>I&#8217;m looking for a nice course to play while I&#8217;m there. </p>
<p>If you are lucky she has you staying at the Harbourtowne Golf Resort which has  a very nice Pete Dye course.  Other good choices would be Hog Neck&#44; Easton Club&#44; Queenstown Harbor and Upland  Golf Club.  Enjoy </p>
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		<title>Where to play in Vegas?</title>
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Going to Las Vegas in November and looking for a good desert course to  play(preferably without any homesites). Any recommendations? 

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<p>Going to Las Vegas in November and looking for a good desert course to  play(preferably without any homesites). Any recommendations? </p>
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<p>Paiute is nice. &nbsp;If memory serves the weekday rate goes down to $55 at  11:00. </p>
<p> &#8211; Hide quoted text &#8212; Show quoted text &#8211; Going to Las Vegas in November and looking for a good desert course to   play(preferably without any homesites). Any recommendations?  </p>
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<p>I&#8217;ll second that choice. &nbsp;No houses! Three courses&#44; and resonable(for Las  Vegas)  rates. &nbsp;Great service also&#44; which is also not the norm in Las Vegas. </p>
<p> &#8211; Hide quoted text &#8212; Show quoted text &#8211; Paiute is nice. &nbsp;If memory serves the weekday rate goes down to $55 at   11:00.    Going to Las Vegas in November and looking for a good desert course to    play(preferably without any homesites). Any recommendations?  </p>
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<p>Yeah&#44; just go to Paiute. You won&#8217;t regret it!  Definately one of the best in Las Vegas.  I played the lesser of the three courses in 1999 and it was amazing!  Bring a jacket!! (It&#8217;s a 30 mins drive up into the hills)  It was like 42 degrees up there in late April!!  Two guys we were playing with HAD to spring for $70 sweatshirts at the  turn!  This is AFTER paying for a $130 green fee!  I had an old sweatshirt in the bag. I felt like I just hit the  jackpot.  Pratice your drives. Hitting out of that thick &#44; almost artificial  turf-like grass is a pain. </p>
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<p>Paiute Golf Resort. I love it.  Ken  &#8211; Hide quoted text &#8212; Show quoted text &#8211; Going to Las Vegas in November and looking for a good desert course to  play(preferably without any homesites). Any recommendations?  </p>
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<p>   Going to Las Vegas in November and looking for a good desert course to   play(preferably without any homesites). Any recommendations? </p>
<p>Another thumbs up for Paiute. &nbsp;The Badlands is a great course&#44; but the homes  are a moving in.  -keith </p>
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<p>Mesquite is about an hour north of Vegas. Try Wolf Creek and Oasis. Two  great courses. Cheap compared to courses in Vegas  Raj </p>
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<p>If you are going to play golf in Las Vegas&#44; you have to check out  these tee time auctions at Las Vegas Paiute and Revere at Anthem.  There are foursomes that included greens fees and carts and sell for  about 50 to 75% off the regular greens fees.  My group just played Las Vegas Paiute (Wolf Course) for $199!!!!  That&#8217;s $49.75 a player. </p>
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<p>How was Wolf?  Nice?  &#8211; Hide quoted text &#8212; Show quoted text -If you are going to play golf in Las Vegas&#44; you have to check out  these tee time auctions at Las Vegas Paiute and Revere at Anthem.  There are foursomes that included greens fees and carts and sell for  about 50 to 75% off the regular greens fees.  My group just played Las Vegas Paiute (Wolf Course) for $199!!!!  That&#8217;s $49.75 a player.  </p>
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<p>Wolf Creek is not cheap compared to anything. &nbsp;Oasis is 90 bucks. If going  to Mesquite I suggest getting a package with one of the hotels&#44; which by the  way are just about  all owned by the same outfit. Casablanca&#44; Oasis&#44; Virgin River. </p>
<p> &#8211; Hide quoted text &#8212; Show quoted text &#8211; Mesquite is about an hour north of Vegas. Try Wolf Creek and Oasis. Two   great courses. Cheap compared to courses in Vegas   Raj    Going to Las Vegas in November and looking for a good desert course to    play(preferably without any homesites). Any recommendations?  </p>
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<p>It was awesome!!! &nbsp;Best I&#8217;ve played in Vegas no doubt.  gb  &#8211; Hide quoted text &#8212; Show quoted text &#8211;  How was Wolf?   Nice?   If you are going to play golf in Las Vegas&#44; you have to check out   these tee time auctions at Las Vegas Paiute and Revere at Anthem.   There are foursomes that included greens fees and carts and sell for   about 50 to 75% off the regular greens fees.   My group just played Las Vegas Paiute (Wolf Course) for $199!!!!   That&#8217;s $49.75 a player.  </p>
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<p>Those that like Paiute would also like Primm Valley.  &#8211; Joe Conte   I&#8217;ll second that choice. &nbsp;No houses! Three courses&#44; and resonable(for Las   Vegas)   rates. &nbsp;Great service also&#44; which is also not the norm in Las Vegas.    Paiute is nice. &nbsp;If memory serves the weekday rate goes down to $55 at    11:00.     Going to Las Vegas in November and looking for a good desert course to     play(preferably without any homesites). Any recommendations? </p>
<p>&#8211;  &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Joe </p>
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<p>I think it would be great to play a round while I am in Vegas. &nbsp;Does anyone  have any suggestions as to what course to play. &nbsp;Is that Desert Inn course  worth the price tag? &nbsp;What about that new Rio Secca? Any ideas would be of  help. Thanks in advance.  David </p>
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<p>I believe Rio Secca is only open to Rio Suites guests; &nbsp;played it in  March&#8230;worth changing your room reservations &nbsp;:-)))  &#8211; Hide quoted text &#8212; Show quoted text &#8211;  I think it would be great to play a round while I am in Vegas. &nbsp;Does anyone   have any suggestions as to what course to play. &nbsp;Is that Desert Inn course   worth the price tag? &nbsp;What about that new Rio Secca? Any ideas would be of   help. Thanks in advance.   David  </p>
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<p>  I think it would be great to play a round while I am in Vegas. &nbsp;Does anyone   have any suggestions as to what course to play. &nbsp;Is that Desert Inn course   worth the price tag? &nbsp;What about that new Rio Secca? Any ideas would be of   help. Thanks in advance.   David </p>
<p>To add to this&#8230;&#8230;A group of friends and I are thinking of making a  trip to Las Vegas. &nbsp;Is there a resort&#44; anyone could recommend&#44; that will  set up teetimes and such? &nbsp;If you know please let me know. &nbsp;We are  planning our trip around October&#8230;..  TIA&#44;  &#8212;  belinda  I believe you should live each day as if it is your last&#44;  which is why I don&#8217;t have any clean laundry because&#44; come on&#44;  who wants to wash clothes on the last day of their life? </p>
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<p>The Rio course is open to everyone&#44; but $300 for non-hotel guests and $190  for hotel guests. It is a very good course but only worth $100 at most.  The best courses for the money are the Puite Indian courses  check out: http://www.lvpaiutegolf.com/  Also Badlands is a desert target course that has incredible views but with a  15 or high handicap will be HELL!!!  http://badlandsgolf.com/  The Sun City courses are also great.  For all the best data regarding golf check out www.golflv.com  My order of courses to play&#44; also considering green fees would be:  1. Orignal Puite Course  2. New Puite Course  3. Badlands  4. Sun City Highland Falls  5. Sun City Palm  6. Angle Park Mountian Course  Courses which I feel are way over priced but nice are TPC Canyons&#44; Rio&#44; LV  International (old Hilton)&#44; Wildhorse.  One course I would stay away from is Desert Pines. Its on only 90 acres and  the fairways are like bowling alleys to try to fit the course on such a  small land area.  Let me know if you have any other specific questions regarding golf here.  Dave  &#8211; Hide quoted text &#8212; Show quoted text &#8211; I believe Rio Secca is only open to Rio Suites guests; &nbsp;played it in  March&#8230;worth changing your room reservations &nbsp;:-)))   I think it would be great to play a round while I am in Vegas. &nbsp;Does  anyone   have any suggestions as to what course to play. &nbsp;Is that Desert Inn  course   worth the price tag? &nbsp;What about that new Rio Secca? Any ideas would be  of   help. Thanks in advance.   David  </p>
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<p>  I think it would be great to play a round while I am in Vegas. &nbsp;Does anyone   have any suggestions as to what course to play. &nbsp;Is that Desert Inn course   worth the price tag? &nbsp;What about that new Rio Secca? Any ideas would be of   help. Thanks in advance.  To add to this&#8230;&#8230;A group of friends and I are thinking of making a  trip to Las Vegas. &nbsp;Is there a resort&#44; anyone could recommend&#44; that will  set up teetimes and such? &nbsp;If you know please let me know. &nbsp;We are  planning our trip around October&#8230;..  TIA&#44;  &#8212;  belinda </p>
<p>I was in Vegas in January and played at the Paiute Resort&#44; it is about  30 mins north west but worth the drive&#44; there is 6-7 holes with water  and the greens were very nice. &nbsp;Quite busy and no clubhouse built then  (mebbe now&#44; in construction jan)&#44; not too long a course nor too  difficult but very enjoyable. &nbsp;It is a pete dye design.  tel 800-711-2833  Ken  St Andrews  Scotland  www.sol.co.uk/d/dabog  Tee to Green Golf Tipping pages </p>
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		<title>Batam/Bintan, Indonesia</title>
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Hi&#44;  There is a good hotel on Batam&#44; out of town&#44; on the top of a hill&#44; I think  it was called The Hill Top Hotel or something similar. Good rooms&#44; food and  swimming pool. There was a special deal through a travel agent and only cost  S$50 per night.  [...]]]></description>
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<p>Hi&#44;  There is a good hotel on Batam&#44; out of town&#44; on the top of a hill&#44; I think  it was called The Hill Top Hotel or something similar. Good rooms&#44; food and  swimming pool. There was a special deal through a travel agent and only cost  S$50 per night.  I regret not getting to the Oar House&#44; just for a beer&#44; take a photograph  and be able to tell the story about it <img src='http://golferswiki.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />   Cheers&#44;  Pete Loud </p>
<p>  Anybody been to Batam or Bintan recently? I&#8217;ll have a few free days   during a short gig in Singapore and don&#8217;t need to see JB or Desaru   Try the Ice Pub.   cheers&#44;   chemist   &#8212;   &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; ( | ) &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &#44;   &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;|/ &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; {   &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; `-^-&#8217; </p>
<p>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; ? &nbsp; &nbsp; ) </p>
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<p> Anybody been to Batam or Bintan recently? I&#8217;ll have a few free days  during a short gig in Singapore and don&#8217;t need to see JB or Desaru </p>
<p>Try the Ice Pub.  cheers&#44;  chemist  &#8212;  &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; ( | ) &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &#44;  &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;|/ &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; {  &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; `-^-&#8217; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; ? &nbsp; &nbsp; ) </p>
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<p>Apparently The Korean liked the islands at one stage for it&#8217;s Monkey&#8217;s brain  (same as Hong Kong). I don&#8217;t know&#44; I swallow a Witchety grub but I think I  just draw the lines at Monkeys. Too close to being the same species for me.  Stay Frosty&#44;  Broomer </p>
<p> &#8211; Hide quoted text &#8212; Show quoted text &#8211; Was in Bintan for 4 days in July. Easy to get to (50 minutes by ferry from   Singapore). But not much to do there&#44; unless you golf. Resort food was  also very   average. For some reason&#44; when I was there&#44; there were not so many  Singaporeans   but many many Korean families&#44; maybe it was their summer holiday.   Hui Chee Hong </p>
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		<title>Where To Golf In Phoenix and/or Sedona</title>
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 Looking for fairly challenging courses in these areas that I can golf for  less than $70 a round in July of 2003. &#160;Hopefully the time of year will keep  greens fees down in the desert.  Any suggestions? 
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<p> Looking for fairly challenging courses in these areas that I can golf for  less than $70 a round in July of 2003. &nbsp;Hopefully the time of year will keep  greens fees down in the desert.  Any suggestions? </p>
<p>Golf in Phx is cheap in the summer due to it being SO FRIGGING HOT.  I played 500 Club&#44; (pretty easy layout)&#44; on a weekday and was the 14th golfer  on the course. Apparently there were 13 other people as desperate as me&#44; to  play in this godawful heat.  If in Phx&#44; pick up the Thursday edition of the Arizona Republic&#44; sports  section.  There are numerous coupons and adds.  Don&#8217;t overlook Prescott&#44; (kind of on the way to Sedona from Phx). There are  some good courses there as well. Tucson&#44; south of Phx&#44; has some great venues as  well.  I played 27 holes yesterday and drank 3 liters of water and 2 &#8211; 32oz jugs of  Gatorade.  Hydrate or die.  &#8212;  Golfing in Arizona. </p>
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<p>  Looking for fairly challenging courses in these areas that   I can golf for less than $70 a round in July of 2003.   Hopefully the time of year will keep greens fees down in   the desert. &nbsp;Any suggestions?   &#8212;   Joe &amp; Elaine </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve visited Sedona a few times and just got back from there. &nbsp;I  also played Los Caballaros (great track) in Wickenburg&#44; AZ. &nbsp;  Deer crossing the fairways and practice range&#8230; &nbsp;In Sedona  there are 2 courses&#8230; &nbsp;Sedona Golf Resort and Oak Valley CC. &nbsp;  Both are outstanding tracks&#44; very well maintained. &nbsp;Each round  was about $80.pp including cart. &nbsp;2 executive tracks.  At Sedona Resort&#44; there&#8217;s a 623yd par 5 uphill that busts your  butt needing 3 outstanding shots&#8230; &nbsp;Both tracks are worthy  tests from the Blues. &nbsp;Sedona has a 10under index for the blues.  In Phoenix&#44; there are many quality tracks for under $70 during  the summer&#8230;  G </p>
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<p>Just got back from Phoenix. &nbsp; Grayhawk is $50 after 9 am &#8230; &nbsp;$75  before. &nbsp; Worth every nickel..  &#8211; Hide quoted text &#8212; Show quoted text &#8211; Talking Stick North. &nbsp;It was about $50 when I played it in June. It&#8217;s  cheaper and better than the big name Scottsdale courses. &nbsp;I did like Troon  North before they surrounded it with houses&#44; but now I&#8217;d give the nod to  Talking Stick.  Another option is to take a drive out to Globe and play Apache Stronghold.  They had a great &quot;stay and play&quot; deal (the course is located next to a  casino) this summer&#44; something like $79 for a room&#44; breakfast&#44; green fees  and cart.  &#8212;  John   Looking for fairly challenging courses in these areas that I can golf for   less than $70 a round in July of 2003. &nbsp;Hopefully the time of year will  keep   greens fees down in the desert. &nbsp;Any suggestions?   &#8212;   Joe &amp; Elaine  </p>
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<p>Talking Stick North. &nbsp;It was about $50 when I played it in June. It&#8217;s  cheaper and better than the big name Scottsdale courses. &nbsp;I did like Troon  North before they surrounded it with houses&#44; but now I&#8217;d give the nod to  Talking Stick.  Another option is to take a drive out to Globe and play Apache Stronghold.  They had a great &quot;stay and play&quot; deal (the course is located next to a  casino) this summer&#44; something like $79 for a room&#44; breakfast&#44; green fees  and cart.  &#8212;  John </p>
<p> &#8211; Hide quoted text &#8212; Show quoted text &#8211; Looking for fairly challenging courses in these areas that I can golf for   less than $70 a round in July of 2003. &nbsp;Hopefully the time of year will  keep   greens fees down in the desert. &nbsp;Any suggestions?   &#8212;   Joe &amp; Elaine  </p>
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<p> Looking for fairly challenging courses in these areas that I can golf for  less than $70 a round in July of 2003. &nbsp;Hopefully the time of year will keep  greens fees down in the desert. &nbsp;Any suggestions?  &#8212;  Joe &amp; Elaine </p>
<p>Hey guys&#44;  You will have absolutley no problem finding inexpensive golf that time  of year. &nbsp;Keep in mind it will be very hot..i have never drank as much  water. &nbsp;I have played out in phoenix and palm springs the last few  summers. &nbsp;There will be many&#44; many specials. &nbsp;Go to any local golf  store or get the local newspapers for coupons.. &nbsp;And check the web  sites for each course. &nbsp;A few years back&#44; I got a deal for  Greyhawk&#8230;four players for $100. &nbsp;And i played TPC Scottsdale real  cheap. &nbsp;Don&#8217;t rmember the price&#44; but it was well under $75. &nbsp;There are  some RSG&#8217;ers who live in the area and i am sure when it comes closer  to the time&#44; they could give you the latest &quot;scoop&quot; on current deals  I love desert golf. &nbsp;Even though it is almost a year away&#44; i wish you  well for a great time and planning it will be half the fun.  eric </p>
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OK&#44; I can&#8217;t stand it&#8230;  Favorite Monkees songs:  Last Train To Clarksville  She  When Love Comes Knockin&#8217; (At Your Door)  Mary Mary  Hold On Girl  Your Auntie Grizelda  (I&#8217;m Not Your) Steppin&#8217; Stone  Look Out (Here Comes Tomorrow)  Sometime In The Morning  I&#8217;m A [...]]]></description>
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<p>OK&#44; I can&#8217;t stand it&#8230;  Favorite Monkees songs:  Last Train To Clarksville  She  When Love Comes Knockin&#8217; (At Your Door)  Mary Mary  Hold On Girl  Your Auntie Grizelda  (I&#8217;m Not Your) Steppin&#8217; Stone  Look Out (Here Comes Tomorrow)  Sometime In The Morning  I&#8217;m A Believer  Laugh  Salesman  The Door Into Summer  Love Is Only Sleeping  Words  Hard To Believe  What am I Doing Hanging &#8216;Round  Pleasant Valley Sunday  Runners Up:  Peter Percival Patterson&#8217;s Pet Pig Porky  Star Collector  Don&#8217;t Call on Me  Valleri  I&#8217;m not really familiar with their later stuff.  I know there were some songs on _Headquarters_  I liked&#44; but it&#8217;s been too long since I&#8217;ve  heard any of them.  I&#8217;d love to have a Monkees Boxed Set  with all their music&#44; and one with  videos of all the TV shows (and I  guess Head thrown in&#44; since I never  saw that).  -Miles&#44; who *still* wishes he could have  &nbsp; &nbsp;caught the Monkees/Hendrix tour before  &nbsp; &nbsp;it was canceled due to culture clashes. </p>
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<p>You&#8217;ve put me to shame&#44; Miles. &nbsp;The best I can do is;  Valerie  Pleasant Valley Sunday  Last Train To Clarksville  I would say Steppin&#8217; Stone&#44; but I prefered Paul Revere and The Raiders  version. &nbsp;Now THERE was a band!  ~kp  &#8211; Hide quoted text &#8212; Show quoted text &#8211; OK&#44; I can&#8217;t stand it&#8230;   Favorite Monkees songs:   Last Train To Clarksville   She   When Love Comes Knockin&#8217; (At Your Door)   Mary Mary   Hold On Girl   Your Auntie Grizelda   (I&#8217;m Not Your) Steppin&#8217; Stone   Look Out (Here Comes Tomorrow)   Sometime In The Morning   I&#8217;m A Believer   Laugh   Salesman   The Door Into Summer   Love Is Only Sleeping   Words   Hard To Believe   What am I Doing Hanging &#8216;Round   Pleasant Valley Sunday   Runners Up:   Peter Percival Patterson&#8217;s Pet Pig Porky   Star Collector   Don&#8217;t Call on Me   Valleri   I&#8217;m not really familiar with their later stuff.   I know there were some songs on _Headquarters_   I liked&#44; but it&#8217;s been too long since I&#8217;ve   heard any of them.   I&#8217;d love to have a Monkees Boxed Set   with all their music&#44; and one with   videos of all the TV shows (and I   guess Head thrown in&#44; since I never   saw that).   -Miles&#44; who *still* wishes he could have   &nbsp; &nbsp;caught the Monkees/Hendrix tour before   &nbsp; &nbsp;it was canceled due to culture clashes. </p>
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<p>- Hide quoted text &#8212; Show quoted text &#8211; OK&#44; I can&#8217;t stand it&#8230;  Favorite Monkees songs:  Last Train To Clarksville  She  When Love Comes Knockin&#8217; (At Your Door)  Mary Mary  Hold On Girl  Your Auntie Grizelda  (I&#8217;m Not Your) Steppin&#8217; Stone  Look Out (Here Comes Tomorrow)  Sometime In The Morning  I&#8217;m A Believer  Laugh  Salesman  The Door Into Summer  Love Is Only Sleeping  Words  Hard To Believe  What am I Doing Hanging &#8216;Round  Pleasant Valley Sunday  Runners Up:  Peter Percival Patterson&#8217;s Pet Pig Porky  Star Collector  Don&#8217;t Call on Me  Valleri  I&#8217;m not really familiar with their later stuff.  I know there were some songs on _Headquarters_  I liked&#44; but it&#8217;s been too long since I&#8217;ve  heard any of them.  I&#8217;d love to have a Monkees Boxed Set  with all their music&#44; and one with  videos of all the TV shows (and I  guess Head thrown in&#44; since I never  saw that).  -Miles&#44; who *still* wishes he could have   &nbsp; caught the Monkees/Hendrix tour before   &nbsp; it was canceled due to culture clashes. </p>
<p>What? &nbsp;These didn&#8217;t make your list?  No Time  Shades of Gray  Zilch (Mr Dobalina&#44; Mr Bob Dobalina)  Tapioca Tundra  Magnolia Simms  I&#8217;ll be back Upon my Feet  Writing Wrongs (Have you heard about Phil Chamber&#8217;s mother? &nbsp;She said  a woman&#8217;s work is never done)  I&#8217;m Gonna Buy me a Dog  I was always sort of a fan of the songs where they&#8217;d have Mike Nesmith  doing something odd.  Pete </p>
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<p> |You&#8217;ve put me to shame&#44; Miles. &nbsp;The best I can do is;  |  |Valerie  |Pleasant Valley Sunday  |Last Train To Clarksville  |  |I would say Steppin&#8217; Stone&#44; but I prefered Paul Revere and The Raiders  |version. &nbsp;Now THERE was a band!  Last Train&#44; Stepping Stone and Auntie Grizelda&#8230;  I learned to dance to those three tunes. &nbsp;In the  afternoon&#44; just before going to my first dance  that evening. &nbsp;I was already a huge Monkees fan&#44;  but that sealed those tunes forever in my psyche. </p>
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<p>  x-no-archive: yes   I would say Steppin&#8217; Stone&#44; but I prefered Paul Revere and The Raiders   version. &nbsp;Now THERE was a band!   The last time I saw Paul&#44; we [Paul&#44; his wife Sidney and I] were riding  past a   stadium in a limo. He asked me what the crowd was about. I told him it was  a   Pink Floyd concert. He just about died from envy. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s not bad. &nbsp;Got any Terry Melcher stories?  Dan </p>
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<p>I&#8217;d love to have a Monkees Boxed Set  with all their music&#44; and one with  videos of all the TV shows (and I  guess Head thrown in&#44; since I never  saw that). </p>
<p>Head was way too weird for the teenyboppers  of the time&#44; a complete flop $$$ wise&#44; but it  became a cult classic..rent it&#44; it&#8217;s a hoot&#8230;  Someone posted a long while ago mp3s of  demo tracks&#44; studio outtakes&#44; backing tracks&#44;  vocal tracks&#44; etc of old Monkee studio tapes.  Versions of songs sung by diff Monkees then the  released versions..wonderfull stuff&#8230;  It amazed me how much effort went into those songs&#44;  which in my youth were just catchy pop to dance to&#44;  play for the ladiez&#44; and laugh at on TV..  ALOT of $$$ was thrown into the whole Monkee  machine&#44; and it showed&#44; because still today it  sells&#8230;and is talked about fondly&#8230;  -Miles&#44; who *still* wishes he could have   &nbsp; caught the Monkees/Hendrix tour before   &nbsp; it was canceled due to culture clashes. </p>
<p>I wonder how many &#8216;kids&#8217; that were there NOW  listen to JH yet booed him offstage then&#8230;?  yuk..yuk..yuk&#8230;  My folks took us to see them in Boston during  their heyday&#44; and my ears STILL ring from the non  of teenage girls and boyz. &nbsp;We took the trolly to and from  the Garden&#44; and I remember hearing NOTHING but  static all the way home. &nbsp;But we had fun.  J Tash </p>
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<p> I&#8217;m Gonna Buy me a Dog </p>
<p>When I was young I always thought that that was scripted to be silly.  When I went back and listened with more recording experience I came to  the conclusion that that was a a first take where they were just  learning the song and it was so inspired-ly silly that they kept it.  That&#8217;s something I would have expected on Headquarters (like &quot;Band 6&quot;)  but I&#8217;m kind of impressed that they got away with it on the first  album. </p>
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<p>Ahhh&#44; the Monkees&#8230; &nbsp;I was a huge fan. &nbsp;When I was in 2nd grade my  friends and I used to put on the records and pretend to be the Monkees  in my friends&#8217; basement. &nbsp;I wore out the first 3 records as a kid but  am not so familiar with subsequent records (except &quot;Head&quot;). &nbsp;  My fave that you left off the list is Nesmith&#8217;s &quot;Sunny Girlfriend.&quot;  Last year (or the year before?) I recorded versions of &quot;Sunny  Girlfriend&quot; and &quot;Mary Mary&quot; for a Nesmith tribute CD (see  www.drenrecords.com). &nbsp;I ended up submitting &quot;S. Girlfriend.&quot;  Wanna hear &#8216;em?  www.scottmcknight.com/sunnygf.mp3  www.scottmcknight.com/marymary.mp3  -Scott McKnight  &#8211; Hide quoted text &#8212; Show quoted text &#8211; OK&#44; I can&#8217;t stand it&#8230;  Favorite Monkees songs:  Last Train To Clarksville  She  When Love Comes Knockin&#8217; (At Your Door)  Mary Mary  Hold On Girl  Your Auntie Grizelda  (I&#8217;m Not Your) Steppin&#8217; Stone  Look Out (Here Comes Tomorrow)  Sometime In The Morning  I&#8217;m A Believer  Laugh  Salesman  The Door Into Summer  Love Is Only Sleeping  Words  Hard To Believe  What am I Doing Hanging &#8216;Round  Pleasant Valley Sunday  Runners Up:  Peter Percival Patterson&#8217;s Pet Pig Porky  Star Collector  Don&#8217;t Call on Me  Valleri  I&#8217;m not really familiar with their later stuff.  I know there were some songs on _Headquarters_  I liked&#44; but it&#8217;s been too long since I&#8217;ve  heard any of them.  I&#8217;d love to have a Monkees Boxed Set  with all their music&#44; and one with  videos of all the TV shows (and I  guess Head thrown in&#44; since I never  saw that).  -Miles&#44; who *still* wishes he could have   &nbsp; caught the Monkees/Hendrix tour before   &nbsp; it was canceled due to culture clashes.  </p>
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<p>  The last time I saw Paul&#44; we [Paul&#44; his wife Sidney and I] were riding   past a   stadium in a limo. He asked me what the crowd was about. I told him it was   a   Pink Floyd concert. He just about died from envy. </p>
<p>Well&#44; it&#8217;s not like the band didn&#8217;t enjoy their share of success. &nbsp;PR&amp;R made  ME green with envy. &nbsp;I&#8217;ll tell you what&#44; when &quot;Just Like Me&quot; came out&#44; I had  to buy two copies of the 45 because I wore the first one right out. &nbsp;It&#8217;d  get to the end&#44; and I&#8217;d just play it back again&#44; over and over. &nbsp;That Drake  Levin was one cool guitar player&#44; and the first example of a double lead  solo I can think of.  ~kp </p>
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<p> I&#8217;m Gonna Buy me a Dog  When I was young I always thought that that was scripted to be silly.  When I went back and listened with more recording experience I came to  the conclusion that that was a a first take where they were just  learning the song and it was so inspired-ly silly that they kept it.  That&#8217;s something I would have expected on Headquarters (like &quot;Band 6&quot;)  but I&#8217;m kind of impressed that they got away with it on the first  album. </p>
<p>Damn&#44; the &#8217;60s are getting to be a long time ago by now&#44; but it was a  time where you could get away with a lot of stuff. &nbsp;They were  definitely the &quot;Let&#8217;s throw it at the wall&#44; and see if it sticks&quot;  years of music.  As much as The Monkees were pretty much designed for television&#44; at  least that&#8217;s what I think they were&#44; they sure did seem like they did  a lot of cool stuff if you go and sort through their album&#8217;s song  lists. &nbsp;They EVEN started one of their shows with a short Frank Zappa  interview!  Pete </p>
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<p> &#8211; Hide quoted text &#8212; Show quoted text &#8211; Ahhh&#44; the Monkees&#8230; &nbsp;I was a huge fan. &nbsp;When I was in 2nd grade my  friends and I used to put on the records and pretend to be the Monkees  in my friends&#8217; basement. &nbsp;I wore out the first 3 records as a kid but  am not so familiar with subsequent records (except &quot;Head&quot;). &nbsp;  My fave that you left off the list is Nesmith&#8217;s &quot;Sunny Girlfriend.&quot;  Last year (or the year before?) I recorded versions of &quot;Sunny  Girlfriend&quot; and &quot;Mary Mary&quot; for a Nesmith tribute CD (see  www.drenrecords.com). &nbsp;I ended up submitting &quot;S. Girlfriend.&quot;  Wanna hear &#8216;em?  www.scottmcknight.com/sunnygf.mp3  www.scottmcknight.com/marymary.mp3  -Scott McKnight </p>
<p>Sounds like you had a lot of fun recording Mary Mary.  Pete </p>
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<p>- Hide quoted text &#8212; Show quoted text &#8211; Ahhh&#44; the Monkees&#8230; &nbsp;I was a huge fan. &nbsp;When I was in 2nd grade my  friends and I used to put on the records and pretend to be the Monkees  in my friends&#8217; basement. &nbsp;I wore out the first 3 records as a kid but  am not so familiar with subsequent records (except &quot;Head&quot;). &nbsp;  My fave that you left off the list is Nesmith&#8217;s &quot;Sunny Girlfriend.&quot;  Last year (or the year before?) I recorded versions of &quot;Sunny  Girlfriend&quot; and &quot;Mary Mary&quot; for a Nesmith tribute CD (see  www.drenrecords.com). &nbsp;I ended up submitting &quot;S. Girlfriend.&quot;  Wanna hear &#8216;em?  www.scottmcknight.com/sunnygf.mp3  www.scottmcknight.com/marymary.mp3  -Scott McKnight  Sounds like you had a lot of fun recording Mary Mary.  Pete </p>
<p>Yeah&#44; recorded the drums with 1 mic on a reel to reel and transferred  it to ADAT at half speed. &nbsp;That&#8217;s why it sounds like it&#8217;s on &#8216;ludes.  Lead guitar is a total wank fest&#44; don&#8217;t you think?  -Scott McKnight </p>
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<p> &#8211; Hide quoted text &#8212; Show quoted text &#8211; Ahhh&#44; the Monkees&#8230; &nbsp;I was a huge fan. &nbsp;When I was in 2nd grade my  friends and I used to put on the records and pretend to be the Monkees  in my friends&#8217; basement. &nbsp;I wore out the first 3 records as a kid but  am not so familiar with subsequent records (except &quot;Head&quot;). &nbsp;  My fave that you left off the list is Nesmith&#8217;s &quot;Sunny Girlfriend.&quot;  Last year (or the year before?) I recorded versions of &quot;Sunny  Girlfriend&quot; and &quot;Mary Mary&quot; for a Nesmith tribute CD (see  www.drenrecords.com). &nbsp;I ended up submitting &quot;S. Girlfriend.&quot;  Wanna hear &#8216;em?  www.scottmcknight.com/sunnygf.mp3  www.scottmcknight.com/marymary.mp3  -Scott McKnight  Sounds like you had a lot of fun recording Mary Mary.  Pete  Yeah&#44; recorded the drums with 1 mic on a reel to reel and transferred  it to ADAT at half speed. &nbsp;That&#8217;s why it sounds like it&#8217;s on &#8216;ludes.  Lead guitar is a total wank fest&#44; don&#8217;t you think?  -Scott McKnight </p>
<p>Yeah&#44; but feedback&#8217;s fun! &nbsp;Sunny Girlfriend was done much better  overall though&#44; but Mary Mary was an interesting different direction  for that song.  Pete </p>
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<p>   OK&#44; I can&#8217;t stand it&#8230;   Favorite Monkees songs: </p>
<p>I just finished playing &quot;I&#8217;m a Believer&quot; and &quot;Pleasant Valley Sunday&quot; during  a practice.  I&#8217;m so ashamed.  Ken Albin </p>
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<p> |Damn&#44; the &#8217;60s are getting to be a long time ago by now&#44; but it was a  |time where you could get away with a lot of stuff. &nbsp;They were  |definitely the &quot;Let&#8217;s throw it at the wall&#44; and see if it sticks&quot;  |years of music.  |  I think that still happens. &nbsp;Not as much&#44;  but it still happens.  |As much as The Monkees were pretty much designed for television&#44; at  |least that&#8217;s what I think they were&#44; they sure did seem like they did  |a lot of cool stuff if you go and sort through their album&#8217;s song  |lists. &nbsp;They EVEN started one of their shows with a short Frank Zappa  |interview!  IIRC&#44; the casting ad was for something  like &quot;four zany college age guys for TV  show about a band&#44; no musical experience  necessary&quot;. </p>
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<p> |I just finished playing &quot;I&#8217;m a Believer&quot; and &quot;Pleasant Valley Sunday&quot; during  |a practice.  |  |I&#8217;m so ashamed.  Nothing to be ashamed of there! </p>
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<p> |Damn&#44; the &#8217;60s are getting to be a long time ago by now&#44; but it was a  |time where you could get away with a lot of stuff. &nbsp;They were  |definitely the &quot;Let&#8217;s throw it at the wall&#44; and see if it sticks&quot;  |years of music.  |  I think that still happens. &nbsp;Not as much&#44;  but it still happens. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m too out of touch to find it anymore. &nbsp;Sometimes&#44; I&#8217;m lucky if I  can find my shoes.  |As much as The Monkees were pretty much designed for television&#44; at  |least that&#8217;s what I think they were&#44; they sure did seem like they did  |a lot of cool stuff if you go and sort through their album&#8217;s song  |lists. &nbsp;They EVEN started one of their shows with a short Frank Zappa  |interview!  IIRC&#44; the casting ad was for something  like &quot;four zany college age guys for TV  show about a band&#44; no musical experience  necessary&quot;. </p>
<p>Damn it&#44; I was collage aged at the wrong time! &nbsp;I had enough &quot;no  musical experience&quot; for all four members!  You know why I respect the Monkees? &nbsp;They never added any members!  Sure&#44; they really didn&#8217;t play their own instruments anyhow&#44; so they  really didn&#8217;t have to&#44; but they didn&#8217;t.  Pete </p>
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<p>Last Train to Clarksville&#44; Daydream Believer. </p>
<p> &#8211; Hide quoted text &#8212; Show quoted text &#8211; OK&#44; I can&#8217;t stand it&#8230;   Favorite Monkees songs:   Last Train To Clarksville   She   When Love Comes Knockin&#8217; (At Your Door)   Mary Mary   Hold On Girl   Your Auntie Grizelda   (I&#8217;m Not Your) Steppin&#8217; Stone   Look Out (Here Comes Tomorrow)   Sometime In The Morning   I&#8217;m A Believer   Laugh   Salesman   The Door Into Summer   Love Is Only Sleeping   Words   Hard To Believe   What am I Doing Hanging &#8216;Round   Pleasant Valley Sunday   Runners Up:   Peter Percival Patterson&#8217;s Pet Pig Porky   Star Collector   Don&#8217;t Call on Me   Valleri   I&#8217;m not really familiar with their later stuff.   I know there were some songs on _Headquarters_   I liked&#44; but it&#8217;s been too long since I&#8217;ve   heard any of them.   I&#8217;d love to have a Monkees Boxed Set   with all their music&#44; and one with   videos of all the TV shows (and I   guess Head thrown in&#44; since I never   saw that).   -Miles&#44; who *still* wishes he could have   &nbsp; &nbsp;caught the Monkees/Hendrix tour before   &nbsp; &nbsp;it was canceled due to culture clashes.  </p>
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<p>  You&#8217;ve put me to shame&#44; Miles. &nbsp;The best I can do is;   Valerie   Pleasant Valley Sunday   Last Train To Clarksville   I would say Steppin&#8217; Stone&#44; but I prefered Paul Revere and The Raiders   version. &nbsp;Now THERE was a band!   ~kp </p>
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<p>  I just finished playing &quot;I&#8217;m a Believer&quot; and &quot;Pleasant Valley Sunday&quot;   during   a practice. </p>
<p>I just came home from a gig in Maine. &nbsp;Driving down Interstate 495 South&#44; in  Massachussetts&#44; I passed an exit which read &quot;Pleasant Valley&quot;. &nbsp;I&#8217;m not  kidding. &nbsp;Anyone here ever heard of any other Pleasant Valley anywhere?  Could that possibly be *the one*?  ~kp </p>
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<p> |I just came home from a gig in Maine. &nbsp;Driving down Interstate 495 South&#44; in  |Massachussetts&#44; I passed an exit which read &quot;Pleasant Valley&quot;. &nbsp;I&#8217;m not  |kidding. &nbsp;Anyone here ever heard of any other Pleasant Valley anywhere?  |Could that possibly be *the one*?  I think it was &quot;just another pleasant Valley Sunday&quot;.  Another pleasant Sunday in *the* Valley&#44; there in  California&#44; later immortalized by Moon Unit. </p>
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<p>Who did the guitar on &quot;Valerie&quot;? What a lead!!!!!  &quot;Kent Pearson  &#8211; Hide quoted text &#8212; Show quoted text &#8211; You&#8217;ve put me to shame&#44; Miles. &nbsp;The best I can do is;   Valerie   Pleasant Valley Sunday   Last Train To Clarksville   I would say Steppin&#8217; Stone&#44; but I prefered Paul Revere and The Raiders   version. &nbsp;Now THERE was a band!   ~kp    OK&#44; I can&#8217;t stand it&#8230;    Favorite Monkees songs:    Last Train To Clarksville    She    When Love Comes Knockin&#8217; (At Your Door)    Mary Mary    Hold On Girl    Your Auntie Grizelda    (I&#8217;m Not Your) Steppin&#8217; Stone    Look Out (Here Comes Tomorrow)    Sometime In The Morning    I&#8217;m A Believer    Laugh    Salesman    The Door Into Summer    Love Is Only Sleeping    Words    Hard To Believe    What am I Doing Hanging &#8216;Round    Pleasant Valley Sunday    Runners Up:    Peter Percival Patterson&#8217;s Pet Pig Porky    Star Collector    Don&#8217;t Call on Me    Valleri    I&#8217;m not really familiar with their later stuff.    I know there were some songs on _Headquarters_    I liked&#44; but it&#8217;s been too long since I&#8217;ve    heard any of them.    I&#8217;d love to have a Monkees Boxed Set    with all their music&#44; and one with    videos of all the TV shows (and I    guess Head thrown in&#44; since I never    saw that).    -Miles&#44; who *still* wishes he could have    &nbsp; &nbsp;caught the Monkees/Hendrix tour before    &nbsp; &nbsp;it was canceled due to culture clashes.   ~kp  </p>
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<p>  You&#8217;ve put me to shame&#44; Miles. &nbsp;The best I can do is;   Valerie   Pleasant Valley Sunday   Last Train To Clarksville   I would say Steppin&#8217; Stone&#44; but I prefered Paul Revere and The Raiders   version. &nbsp;Now THERE was a band! </p>
<p>We do Steppin Stone about every 3rd -4th week&#8230; &nbsp;someone &#8216;called the tune&#8217;  about 4 months ago and we just *played* it&#8230; &nbsp;apparantly everyone in the  band knew the tune&#8230; &nbsp;harmonies&#44; stops&#44; and all&#8230;  gtski </p>
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<p>  x-no-archive: yes    Got any Terry Melcher stories?   Just hearing the name weirds me out. No. </p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t mean to revive any bad memories. &nbsp;The LA rock scene from 65 to 73  fascinates me&#44; and he was definitely a key figure. &nbsp;He comes to mind in this  connection because he (I thought) produced Paul Revere &amp; the Raiders.  Dan </p>
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<p> |I just came home from a gig in Maine. &nbsp;Driving down Interstate 495 South&#44; in  |Massachussetts&#44; I passed an exit which read &quot;Pleasant Valley&quot;. &nbsp;I&#8217;m not  |kidding. &nbsp;Anyone here ever heard of any other Pleasant Valley anywhere?  |Could that possibly be *the one*?  I think it was &quot;just another pleasant Valley Sunday&quot;.  Another pleasant Sunday in *the* Valley&#44; there in  California&#44; later immortalized by Moon Unit. </p>
<p>yes&#44; it&#8217;s a discription of the day&#44; of a  &quot;&#8217;pleasant&quot; sunday in the Valley.  The Pleasant Valley in MA a &nbsp;a Golf resort&#8230;  J Tash </p>
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		<title>Newport New, VA campground</title>
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<p>Newport News park is a city run park off I-64 very close to Kiln Creek.  Kiln Creek is right down Jefferson Ave. from the park. &nbsp;The park is on the  outskirts of town in a wooded area on a reservoir. &nbsp;We have camped there  with out RV (24&#8242; trailer) and the boy scouts go there all the time. &nbsp;The  park is maintained well and I would recommend. &nbsp;As far as Williamsburg&#44; it  is only a few minute drive up I-64 from the park&#44; so going to another  campground really is not required&#44; however&#44; there are a few KOAs in the  area.  Newport News Park: &nbsp;http://www.newport-news.va.us/parks/park1.htm  Skip Irwin </p>
<p> &#8211; Hide quoted text &#8212; Show quoted text &#8211; My sister is getting married in late Sept in Newport News&#44; VA at the Kiln   Creek Golf Resort (she and her fianc</p>
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		<title>Orlando Florida Mall Campgrounds&#8230;NOT Disney/theme related</title>
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 They have 3 rate plans depending upon the sites you pick. &#160;My wife has a  better handle on the rates. &#160;I will see if I can get her to post  line and ask. &#160; I believe the lower summer rates are soon going into  effect.  I think considering monthly rates [...]]]></description>
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<p> They have 3 rate plans depending upon the sites you pick. &nbsp;My wife has a  better handle on the rates. &nbsp;I will see if I can get her to post  line and ask. &nbsp; I believe the lower summer rates are soon going into  effect.  I think considering monthly rates vs quality &nbsp;of your stay vs relative  location to the attractions&#44; you will find this park one of the better  options. </p>
<p>I will be there for work so the attractions are irrelevant to me.  Just a nice place to park for many months. &nbsp;I will know if things work  out in a couple of months. &nbsp;But I would stay for a long time&#44; probably  6-months to a year or more.  Everything around there seems geared to the theme-parks. &nbsp;I may be  working with a company at the Florida Mall. &nbsp;That is why I was using  that location as a key to the location of the campground.  Thanks for the help.  D*  My commitment is to truth&#44; not consistency.  ~ Mohandas K. Gandhi </p>
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<p>  South of Orlando is the Florida Mall on Sand Lake Road at S. Orange   Blossom Trail. &nbsp;A few miles south is Kissimmee with a few campgrounds.   To the southwest is the Disney theme everything.   My question for you Florida travelers&#8230;   Are there reasonable campgrounds/RV-parks around for long-term   visiting? &nbsp;Not theme parks and Disney RV parks&#44; regular RV-parks for   an RVer to stay in the area for a few months? </p>
<p>snipped  Just a suggestion Don. We&#8217;re in Clerbrook RV and Golf Resort. It&#8217;s 6  miles north of Clermont&#44; which is on Hwy 50. The Florida turnpike is  about a mile north of us. If you look at a Florida map&#44; it&#8217;s where Hwy  27 and thw turnpike cross. The park has a monthly rate of $375 plus  electric. It&#8217;s a nice park within easy driving distance of the Disney  area.  Hugh </p>
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<p> &#8211; Hide quoted text &#8212; Show quoted text &#8211;  South of Orlando is the Florida Mall on Sand Lake Road at S. Orange   Blossom Trail. &nbsp;A few miles south is Kissimmee with a few campgrounds.   To the southwest is the Disney theme everything.   My question for you Florida travelers&#8230;   Are there reasonable campgrounds/RV-parks around for long-term   visiting? &nbsp;Not theme parks and Disney RV parks&#44; regular RV-parks for   an RVer to stay in the area for a few months?  snipped  Just a suggestion Don. We&#8217;re in Clerbrook RV and Golf Resort. It&#8217;s 6  miles north of Clermont&#44; which is on Hwy 50. The Florida turnpike is  about a mile north of us. If you look at a Florida map&#44; it&#8217;s where Hwy  27 and thw turnpike cross. The park has a monthly rate of $375 plus  electric. It&#8217;s a nice park within easy driving distance of the Disney  area.  Hugh </p>
<p>That&#8217;s a good suggestion. &nbsp;The Orlando Winter Garden RV Resort is part  of the same organization but is even closer in Wintergarden. &nbsp;I know  that I will eventually just have to check it out in person. &nbsp;  D*  My commitment is to truth&#44; not consistency.  ~ Mohandas K. Gandhi </p>
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<p> &#8211; Hide quoted text &#8212; Show quoted text &#8211;  South of Orlando is the Florida Mall on Sand Lake Road at S. Orange   Blossom Trail. &nbsp;A few miles south is Kissimmee with a few campgrounds.   To the southwest is the Disney theme everything.   My question for you Florida travelers&#8230;   Are there reasonable campgrounds/RV-parks around for long-term   visiting? &nbsp;Not theme parks and Disney RV parks&#44; regular RV-parks for   an RVer to stay in the area for a few months?  snipped  Just a suggestion Don. We&#8217;re in Clerbrook RV and Golf Resort. It&#8217;s 6  miles north of Clermont&#44; which is on Hwy 50. The Florida turnpike is  about a mile north of us. If you look at a Florida map&#44; it&#8217;s where Hwy  27 and thw turnpike cross. The park has a monthly rate of $375 plus  electric. It&#8217;s a nice park within easy driving distance of the Disney  area.  Hugh </p>
<p>I also checked Orlando Winter Garden RV Resort&#44; owned by the same  company. &nbsp;It is on the turnpike closer into Orlando. &nbsp;Hunter told me  to be carful of the toll-rates around Orlando. &nbsp;Then&#8230;I found this  nifty Toll/Mileage Calculator web-site. &nbsp;Check it out!  http://www11.myflorida.com/turnpikepio/TollCalculator/tollrates.htm  I guess I have been driving in Dallas for too long. &nbsp;(20-years) &nbsp; From  the first exit &nbsp;for Orlando Winter Garden RV Resort to the exit at the  Mall would be only 8.19 miles and cost 50cents. &nbsp;  Gosh&#44; in Dallas I stay ten miles north of the outside loop! &nbsp;The  toll-ways around here are expensive compared to that one! &nbsp;A short  trip is 75cents or more. &nbsp;I am gonna check out both of those places. &nbsp;  Thanks for the advice!!!  Now&#8230;if I can only get that job.  D*  My commitment is to truth&#44; not consistency.  ~ Mohandas K. Gandhi </p>
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<p> &#8211; Hide quoted text &#8212; Show quoted text &#8211;  South of Orlando is the Florida Mall on Sand Lake Road at S. Orange   Blossom Trail. &nbsp;A few miles south is Kissimmee with a few campgrounds.   To the southwest is the Disney theme everything.   My question for you Florida travelers&#8230;   Are there reasonable campgrounds/RV-parks around for long-term   visiting? &nbsp;Not theme parks and Disney RV parks&#44; regular RV-parks for   an RVer to stay in the area for a few months?  snipped  Just a suggestion Don. We&#8217;re in Clerbrook RV and Golf Resort. It&#8217;s 6  miles north of Clermont&#44; which is on Hwy 50. The Florida turnpike is  about a mile north of us. If you look at a Florida map&#44; it&#8217;s where Hwy  27 and thw turnpike cross. The park has a monthly rate of $375 plus  electric. It&#8217;s a nice park within easy driving distance of the Disney  area.  Hugh  I also checked Orlando Winter Garden RV Resort&#44; owned by the same  company. &nbsp;It is on the turnpike closer into Orlando. &nbsp;Hunter told me  to be carful of the toll-rates around Orlando. &nbsp;Then&#8230;I found this  nifty Toll/Mileage Calculator web-site. &nbsp;Check it out!  http://www11.myflorida.com/turnpikepio/TollCalculator/tollrates.htm  I guess I have been driving in Dallas for too long. &nbsp;(20-years) &nbsp; From  the first exit &nbsp;for Orlando Winter Garden RV Resort to the exit at the  Mall would be only 8.19 miles and cost 50cents. &nbsp; </p>
<p>Correction&#8230;12.5 miles but still 50cents.  D*  My commitment is to truth&#44; not consistency.  ~ Mohandas K. Gandhi </p>
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<p> snipped   Correction&#8230;12.5 miles but still 50cents.   D* </p>
<p>Since you are a musician&#44; I might mention the park has a jam session  every Saturday from 1:00 to 4:00. Mostly country with some good Gospel  mixed in. Folks in the park and from the surrounding area come in and  have a ball. It&#8217;s a really friendly park&#44; not all grumpy old farts&#44; just  a few like me &lt;g.  Hugh </p>
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<p>Don&#44; I&#8217;m currently at &quot;Raccoon Lake&quot; campground&#44; on hwy 192 just past Orange  Lake resort (formerly Yogi Bear Campground&#44; or some such) &#8211; have been there  almost a month&#44; and will be there more months &#8211; their monthly rates are  good. &nbsp;I&#8217;m paying $300 / month + electricity and 10% tax. &nbsp;It&#8217;s a quiet  place (with trees). &nbsp;Some of the sites are a little weird&#44; made for old  rigs&#44; I guess&#44; but it&#8217;s a comfortable place for me. &nbsp;I have plenty of room  for my 36&#8242; 5er with slides. &nbsp;I&#8217;m working in Kissimmee&#44; is the reason for  being there.  Bill Miller </p>
<p> &#8211; Hide quoted text &#8212; Show quoted text &#8211;   South of Orlando is the Florida Mall on Sand Lake Road at S. Orange    Blossom Trail. &nbsp;A few miles south is Kissimmee with a few campgrounds.    To the southwest is the Disney theme everything.    My question for you Florida travelers&#8230;    Are there reasonable campgrounds/RV-parks around for long-term    visiting? &nbsp;Not theme parks and Disney RV parks&#44; regular RV-parks for    an RVer to stay in the area for a few months?   snipped   Just a suggestion Don. We&#8217;re in Clerbrook RV and Golf Resort. It&#8217;s 6   miles north of Clermont&#44; which is on Hwy 50. The Florida turnpike is   about a mile north of us. If you look at a Florida map&#44; it&#8217;s where Hwy   27 and thw turnpike cross. The park has a monthly rate of $375 plus   electric. It&#8217;s a nice park within easy driving distance of the Disney   area.   Hugh   That&#8217;s a good suggestion. &nbsp;The Orlando Winter Garden RV Resort is part   of the same organization but is even closer in Wintergarden. &nbsp;I know   that I will eventually just have to check it out in person.   D*   My commitment is to truth&#44; not consistency.   ~ Mohandas K. Gandhi  </p>
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<p>  Are there reasonable campgrounds/RV-parks around for long-term   visiting? &nbsp;Not theme parks and Disney RV parks&#44; regular RV-parks for   an RVer to stay in the area for a few months?  We are staying here now and have been for the last 18 months.  Secret Lake RV Resort  8550 W. Irlo Bronson Memorial Highway  Kissimmee&#44; FL </p>
<p>Any idea of monthly rates? &nbsp;I have seen their web sites but there are  no rates listed.  And&#44; there are no trees!  Thanks for the recommendation.  D*  My commitment is to truth&#44; not consistency.  ~ Mohandas K. Gandhi </p>
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<p>The KOA on 192 appeared to be closed when we went by it in January.  There were a few places along 192 that advertised low rates on their  signs. I think you would want to do a drive by before committing any  of your hard earned money to them. We stayed at Sherwood Forest for a  week. I think it was about $30 per night. They did appear to have some  semi permanent campers. I don&#8217;t know what their long term rates are&#44;  though.  Jim Clark </p>
<p> &#8211; Hide quoted text &#8212; Show quoted text &#8211;   South of Orlando is the Florida Mall on Sand Lake Road at S.  Orange    Blossom Trail. &nbsp;A few miles south is Kissimmee with a few  campgrounds.    To the southwest is the Disney theme everything.    My question for you Florida travelers&#8230;    Are there reasonable campgrounds/RV-parks around for long-term    visiting? &nbsp;Not theme parks and Disney RV parks&#44; regular RV-parks  for    an RVer to stay in the area for a few months?    TIA    D*    KOA have a good campground on the 192. Can&#8217;t miss it with a double  decker   bus out the front.   AG    My commitment is to truth&#44; not consistency.    ~ Mohandas K. Gandhi  </p>
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<p> Are there reasonable campgrounds/RV-parks around for long-term  visiting? &nbsp;Not theme parks and Disney RV parks&#44; regular RV-parks for  an RVer to stay in the area for a few months? </p>
<p>You might try Tropical Palms.  http://www.tropicalpalms.com  &#8212;  David&#44; N8DO; FMCA 147762  djosborn at aol dot com </p>
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<p> The KOA on 192 appeared to be closed when we went by it in January. </p>
<p>It is definitely closed.  &#8212;  Mike Gormley  P.O. Box 205  Liberty Center&#44; OH &nbsp;43532-0205  &quot;Full Time RV&#8217;ers currently located in: &nbsp;Kissimmee&#44; FL&quot;  ICQ #24425724  Web page linking to Genealogy&#44; RV&#8217;ing &amp; Square Dancing:  http://home.earthlink.net/~deltadd/ </p>
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<p>- Hide quoted text &#8212; Show quoted text &#8211;  Are there reasonable campgrounds/RV-parks around for long-term    visiting? &nbsp;Not theme parks and Disney RV parks&#44; regular RV-parks for    an RVer to stay in the area for a few months?   We are staying here now and have been for the last 18 months.   Secret Lake RV Resort   8550 W. Irlo Bronson Memorial Highway   Kissimmee&#44; FL   Any idea of monthly rates? &nbsp;I have seen their web sites but there are   no rates listed.   And&#44; there are no trees! </p>
<p>The park is probably 70 percent (just a guess) no trees. &nbsp;Also&#44; what do you  consider a tree? &nbsp; Complete overhead canopy? &nbsp; A lone tree that cast a  shadow on your site in the hot afternoon? &nbsp; &nbsp;It depends upon when you plan  on coming. &nbsp; If it is during the spring/summer/fall months you could  probably get a spot under the trees. &nbsp; All depending upon how long in  advance you make your reservation.  They have 3 rate plans depending upon the sites you pick. &nbsp;My wife has a  better handle on the rates. &nbsp;I will see if I can get her to post  line and ask. &nbsp; I believe the lower summer rates are soon going into  effect.  I think considering monthly rates vs quality &nbsp;of your stay vs relative  location to the attractions&#44; you will find this park one of the better  options.  &#8212;  Mike Gormley  P.O. Box 205  Liberty Center&#44; OH &nbsp;43532-0205  &quot;Full Time RV&#8217;ers currently located in: &nbsp;Kissimmee&#44; FL&quot;  ICQ #24425724  Web page linking to Genealogy&#44; RV&#8217;ing &amp; Square Dancing:  http://home.earthlink.net/~deltadd/ </p>
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<p>South of Orlando is the Florida Mall on Sand Lake Road at S. Orange  Blossom Trail. &nbsp;A few miles south is Kissimmee with a few campgrounds.  To the southwest is the Disney theme everything.  My question for you Florida travelers&#8230;  Are there reasonable campgrounds/RV-parks around for long-term  visiting? &nbsp;Not theme parks and Disney RV parks&#44; regular RV-parks for  an RVer to stay in the area for a few months?  TIA  D*  My commitment is to truth&#44; not consistency.  ~ Mohandas K. Gandhi </p>
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<p>- Hide quoted text &#8212; Show quoted text &#8211;  South of Orlando is the Florida Mall on Sand Lake Road at S. Orange   Blossom Trail. &nbsp;A few miles south is Kissimmee with a few campgrounds.   To the southwest is the Disney theme everything.   My question for you Florida travelers&#8230;   Are there reasonable campgrounds/RV-parks around for long-term   visiting? &nbsp;Not theme parks and Disney RV parks&#44; regular RV-parks for   an RVer to stay in the area for a few months?   TIA   D*   My commitment is to truth&#44; not consistency.   ~ Mohandas K. Gandhi </p>
<p>We are staying here now and have been for the last 18 months.  Secret Lake RV Resort  8550 W. Irlo Bronson Memorial Highway  Kissimmee&#44; FL  Phone: 407-396-6101  http://www.secretlakeresort.com/sys-home.asp  http://www.allcampgrounds.com/reviews/destinysecret.html  &#8212;  Mike Gormley  P.O. Box 205  Liberty Center&#44; OH &nbsp;43532-0205  &quot;Full Time RV&#8217;ers currently located in: &nbsp;Kissimmee&#44; FL&quot;  ICQ #24425724  Web page linking to Genealogy&#44; RV&#8217;ing &amp; Square Dancing:  http://home.earthlink.net/~deltadd/ </p>
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<p>  &#8211; Hide quoted text &#8212; Show quoted text &#8211; South of Orlando is the Florida Mall on Sand Lake Road at S. Orange   Blossom Trail. &nbsp;A few miles south is Kissimmee with a few campgrounds.   To the southwest is the Disney theme everything.   My question for you Florida travelers&#8230;   Are there reasonable campgrounds/RV-parks around for long-term   visiting? &nbsp;Not theme parks and Disney RV parks&#44; regular RV-parks for   an RVer to stay in the area for a few months?   TIA   D*   KOA have a good campground on the 192. Can&#8217;t miss it with a double decker </p>
<p>bus out the front.  AG  &#8211; Hide quoted text &#8212; Show quoted text &#8211; My commitment is to truth&#44; not consistency.   ~ Mohandas K. Gandhi  </p>
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My girlfriend and I are heading to Sandal St Lucia Golf Resort &#38; Spa in late  May. &#160;Has anyone in this group been there? &#160;If so&#44; any hot tips  (restaurants&#44; things to do or see at the resort&#44; etc.) or suggestions on  optional tours while there. 

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<p>My girlfriend and I are heading to Sandal St Lucia Golf Resort &amp; Spa in late  May. &nbsp;Has anyone in this group been there? &nbsp;If so&#44; any hot tips  (restaurants&#44; things to do or see at the resort&#44; etc.) or suggestions on  optional tours while there. </p>
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<p>I included details and a description of this resort in my book &quot;THE MOST  ROMANTIC RESORTS FOR DESTINATION WEDDINGS&#44; MARRIAGE RENEWALS&#44; &amp; HONEYMOONS.&#8217;&quot; &nbsp;  Here&#8217;s what you should know. &nbsp;This resort has 5 freshwater swimming pools and 5  whirlpools &#8212; one of them is one of the Caribbean&#8217;s largest freshwater pools&#44;  with a dramatic waterfall and swim-up pool bar. Some rooms have their own  private pools. &nbsp;  It also has a 9-hole golf course&#44; and the resort is designed to look like an  authentic Caribbean village&#44; with rooms situated in quaint Caribbean cottages.  It also has 6 restaurants and 10 bars and is 2 miles from St. John&#8217;s and 5  miles from the airport. Sandals also has another resort in St. Lucia. &nbsp;By the  way&#44; if you don&#8217;t like mountainous driving&#44; choose another island.  &quot;THE MOST ROMANTIC RESORTS FOR DESTINATION WEDDINGS&#44; MARRIAGE RENEWALS&#44; &amp;  HONEYMOONS.&#8217;&quot; www.destinationweddingbook.com </p>
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		<title>Our Lucaya Beach &amp; Golf Resort, Grand Bahama Island</title>
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Hello&#44;  The wife and I are expecting to be going to this destination in April.  Does anyone have any good/bad feedback about the resort or Grand Bahama  in general that they would be willing to share on or offline? &#160;Any  advice or info would be appreciated. &#160;We&#8217;ve never been to the [...]]]></description>
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<p>Hello&#44;  The wife and I are expecting to be going to this destination in April.  Does anyone have any good/bad feedback about the resort or Grand Bahama  in general that they would be willing to share on or offline? &nbsp;Any  advice or info would be appreciated. &nbsp;We&#8217;ve never been to the Bahamas or  this resort.  Thx in advance for help. &#8211; michael chmura </p>
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<p>Grand Bahama is not as developed as Nassau nor does it have the big tourist  amenities. &nbsp;Our Bahamas is brand new (only a year old) and still being  built. &nbsp;It is very well appointed and you will have a good time. &nbsp;Not much  else to do there. &nbsp;They have the only good beach. &nbsp;The casino is a short cab  ride away as is the International Market where all of the duty free shops  are located.  Don&#8217;t expect to find a &quot;tropical paradise&quot; and you will have an enjoyable  time.  &#8211; Hide quoted text &#8212; Show quoted text &#8211;  Hello&#44;   The wife and I are expecting to be going to this destination in April.   Does anyone have any good/bad feedback about the resort or Grand Bahama   in general that they would be willing to share on or offline? &nbsp;Any   advice or info would be appreciated. &nbsp;We&#8217;ve never been to the Bahamas or   this resort.   Thx in advance for help. &#8211; michael chmura  </p>
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<p> Hello&#44;  The wife and I are expecting to be going to this destination in April.  Does anyone have any good/bad feedback about the resort or Grand Bahama  in general that they would be willing to share on or offline? &nbsp;Any  advice or info would be appreciated. &nbsp;We&#8217;ve never been to the Bahamas or  this resort. </p>
<p>We stayed at the Lucaya Village Marina for the 2nd time last week. &nbsp;All  persons were polite&#44; courteous and efficient. &nbsp;We talked to some folks who  were staying at Our Lucaya and they seemed happy. &nbsp;However&#44; there was some  labor unrest because a hotel brought in a non-Bahamian as manager to  replace a Bahamian. &nbsp; &nbsp; The hotel workers union was upset&#44; and was working  to rule. This would affect people staying in hotels.  At Lucaya there is the Market place with a lot of restaurants and shops and  an internet cafe&#44; and you can go on various cruises etc &#8211; the Bahama Mama  does booze cruises&#44; sunset cruises etc&#44; there is a semi submarine tour&#44;  kayak tours&#44; snorkeling tours&#44; scuba&#44; and even a swim with the dolphin  thing&#44; which I would absolutely recommend you not do (just my prejudice  against caged dolphins or whales).  You can also get a bus/van into Freeport to the International Bazaar or  Freeport itself for about $1 @. &nbsp;Drivers are helpful&#44; although the vans may  be well used. &nbsp;There is a Winn Dixie out on Seahorse Road&#44; and another one  in Freeport proper. &nbsp;I understand that there is also a casino&#44; but I have  not been.  There are several parks (like US National Parks) &#8211; two on the island  itself&#44; and one on an island offshore. &nbsp;There&#8217;s also a parrot place and  several gardens&#44; golf and horseback riding.  You can rent a car but they do drive on the left with LHD cars. &nbsp;The island  itself is not terribly scenic.  We also were in Old Bahama Bay Marina at West End (also Grand Bahama) and  there is a hotel type operation there&#44; with nature trails and snorkeling  areas. &nbsp;The personnel were again courteous and efficient. &nbsp;But this area is  a $30 cab ride from Freeport and the bus doesn&#8217;t run often and is $5.00  grandma Rosalie </p>
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