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clipped Gawd that was gross. Mike, speak your mind and ‘protect the field’ as all good golfers always will.
What was gross? I don’t agree with the comments about Mike Dalecki but the rest of it was just saying that anyone should be allowed to describe what things helped them whether they play of scatch or have just played one round. At times there appears to me to be an attitude of ‘we must defend the newbie from reading such utter rubbish in case it destroys their game’. Any advice given here is free and as such should be taken with a liberal pinch of salt. So in short the poster was defending freedom of speech – is that objectionable? This is a discussion group – yes you can disagree but to imply that only ‘good instruction’ is allowed reeks of policing. And what field needs protected by all good golfers?
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Tournament field. Every single player has the responsibility of protecting the field meaning you are responsible for yourself and any other competitors playing by the ROG.
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I cannot shake my suspicion that your agenda is to control the direction of the discussion here for financial reasons. You know, get back to which shafts are the best, how to install them, make it sound *real* technical…provide your email address and web site in case somebody "wants to contact" you.
Well, *that* was certainly a cheap and highly unwarranted shot. I’ve had discussions with Mike about various pieces of golf equipment and I find his "sales pressure" just about nil. I even remember when Mike was raving about the performance of the Bang-O-Matic driver a while back when someone replied in that thread and asked, "Where can I get one????" You know what that evil, smarmy, greedy Mike Dalecki did? He gave them a link to a competitor: Low Pro Golf. (I know, I followed the link and bookmarked the site). My view of Mike is that he’s an equipment junkie who has undertaken a heck of a lot of research and thus made himself extremely well-informed on the subject. If he feels like telling us something about equipment, I’m sure as hell going to read what he says. I’d put a lot more stock in that than some anonymous poster telling us that the Holy Grail of the golf swing is to attempt to hit the ball off the hosel. But back to the larger point about golf tips in general… I’m in complete agreement that building a swing based on a mish-mash of tips is entirely the wrong way to go. In fact here’s something I posted on RSG a couple of years ago in response to someone seeking "THE CURE TO A BANANA BALL": "I’d strongly recommend you pick up and thoroughly read a copy of Jack Nicklaus’ book "Golf My Way". I’m sure you get many "helpful" tips from this group as well as the never-ending stream of instructional articles in the monthly magazines, but gimmicky bandaid solutions are no way to build a solid, reliable golf swing." I completely ignore tips because I find them extremely COUNTERPRODUCTIVE. If people want to post such stuff here they undoubtedly have every right to do so, but I think people who read such advice and try to incorporate it into their swings are doing themselves a big disservice. How has ignoring all this "valuable advice" affected MY game? Well, somehow I’ve managed to have a single-digit handicap since 1976. What’s yours, jm? Ray Pezzi Traverse City, MI
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I had no problem understanding what the poster meant. I tried what he or she said and it worked for me. So I guess for me, it was productive in that it helped me get better. Even if I didn’t get better, I still would like a chance to try an idea. I think your response stifles bringing ideas to the table. I think people should have the opportunity to try something, or at CW How many days have you been using it? Four? Five? How much has your handicap dropped? I’m fascinated by this phenomenon. A mystery poster posts a very suspect set of instructions masquerading as a "tip." There are demonstrable reasons why he, and the instructions, are suspect. Then, a couple people who have *never* posted to RSG before weigh in with their endorsements, once again not explaining who they are, what level of improvement they’ve achieved, nor how long they’ve been using the method. Yeah, I believe. I also believe in Santa Claus.
You are a complete ass you have destroyed RSG you and your bumpkins Omnipotent you of RSG every post must pass your muster You who know virtually nothing of the golf swing You the hacker who can barely break 80 on a rinky dink golf course You posted your tips in your time that time is passed You have had your fill so off with their ‘eads you have decreed The reason you and yours post to RSG is to be usenet tinpots Opress with the fact no one else is as loony as you Do us all a favor and go away no one needs you here You won’t we know you are too small for that
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"as all good golfers always will."
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I had no problem understanding what the poster meant. I tried what he or she said and it worked for me. So I guess for me, it was productive in that it helped me get better. Even if I didn’t get better, I still would like a chance to try an idea. I think your response stifles bringing ideas to the table. I think people should have the opportunity to try something, or at CW
How many days have you been using it? Four? Five? How much has your handicap dropped? I’m fascinated by this phenomenon. A mystery poster posts a very suspect set of instructions masquerading as a "tip." There are demonstrable reasons why he, and the instructions, are suspect. Then, a couple people who have *never* posted to RSG before weigh in with their endorsements, once again not explaining who they are, what level of improvement they’ve achieved, nor how long they’ve been using the method. Yeah, I believe. I also believe in Santa Claus. Mike Mike Dalecki GCA Accredited Clubmaker http://clubdoctor.com RSG-Wisconsin 2003 Information: http://dalecki.net/rsgwis2003 RSG Roll Call: http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=daleckim I do not patronize spammers. Help keep RSG clean!
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Tried the – Hit with the hosel drill -.Half a dozen balls to get the feel another half dozen to be confident my ball striking-with my irons- is better than ever 14hcp. If you dont like dont try-I await any other thoughts/drills from Anon. (snipped) : :I find this odd. In my view of community, if someone tries to mislead :people–and newbies are easy to mislead, by virtue of the fact that they :can’t yet tell the wheat from the chaff–then we should point that out. :But it’s clear that some don’t want that message. : :Mike : Mike, it’s not your job to protect the innocent. We’re all adults here. There’s lots of good information about swinging a golf club available, books, tapes, magazines and even postings on this newsgroup. I’ve learned good stuff from all these sources and I’ve taken golf lessons too. I cannot shake my suspicion that your agenda is to control the direction of the discussion here for financial reasons. You know, get back to which shafts are the best, how to install them, make it sound *real* technical…provide your email address and web site in case somebody "wants to contact" you. Do the students in your classes have to have degrees in the subjects under discussion to offer their opinions on them? I hope the answer to that is *no, they don’t* – otherwise your classes might just be a burdonsome blanket of conventional wisdom that new ideas never penetrate. I don’t think you need to be a scratch handicap or a pga member to have valid opinions on golf. Maybe a 90 shooter has a great technique for the flop shot, who the hell knows? I’m game to hear it and evaluate it for myself. I do not believe that you are trying to protect the "simple minded innocents" from poor quality swing advice. If you are sold on golf lessons then fine – good for you. I think you are crossing some kind of line though, by promoting the idea that only card carrying pga members have any useful information on how to swing a golf club. That’s simply not true. It also dissuades some 90 shooter who is getting his slice under control from explaining to us how he did it. I’m interested in hearing what he has to say. I stand for freedom of speech in this newsgroup and I’m not selling *anything*. If some guy has some theory of how to correct a slice and is willing to take the time to try to explain it then I think he deserves credit. Maybe he’s on to something that will help someone out there. Who knows. In any event it’s not the worst thing for all golfers to evaluate different ideas and see if their own ideas are better or worse. At the very least it is interesting stuff – "hey Johnny Miller says…". Don’t be so smarmy, condescending and evil, Mike. That would be condescending because you think there are lesser intellects out here that need protecting. Evil because you have a financial interest in directing discussion back to your own special interests. Smarmy because you purport to have the interests of the simple folk in mind rather than your own. Have a good day. Merry Christmas to all my fellow pilgrims on rec.sport.golf jmkanes Gawd that was gross. Mike, speak your mind and ‘protect the field’ as all good golfers always will.
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I had no problem understanding what the poster meant. I tried what he or she said and it worked for me. So I guess for me, it was productive in that it helped me get better. Even if I didn’t get better, I still would like a chance to try an idea. I think your response stifles bringing ideas to the table. I think people should have the opportunity to try something, or at CW
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Okay, you state that it is crap to try to hit the ball with the hosel. Why? Well, I don’t think I said that, but I sure think it. There’s a number of reasons. In no particular order: 1. "OK folks. Here is the golf tip of the year. Better yet, the best tip in the history of RSG. Follow this and you will learn how to hit better shots." As quoted in his "Xmas" post. Any time people make such statements as absolutes, run the other way. There is no "one size fits all" advice for the golf swing. 2. "start your swing with the hosel directed at the ball." Oh really? How on earth does one do that? "Start your swing"? Sheesh. Is this setup? At the top of the swing? Pointing the shaft directly at the ball? Anybody who really was a golf pro, who really gave lessons to people, would recognize how this could be misinterpreted and would have made much clearer what the directions are. That they did not means they left out just enough to be misinterpreted in any number of ways. 3. "The toe of the club should be 180 degrees from the ball." What on earth does that mean? Depending on how you interpret this, it means the blade is pointing 180 degrees from target, 90 degrees from target away from you, even 90 degrees from target TOWARD you. Which is right? None of them, of course. 4. "If you pivot properly and get your body properly into the swing, you will hit the sweet spot of the clubface and not the hosel." This is a red herring. "If you pivot properly…" Oh really? And where in the tip are we learning to do this? Nowhere, of course. "…and get your body properly into the swing…" Oh really? And where in the tip are we learning to do this? It’s clear that, according to the poster, you need some other elements in your swing for this to work. Nowhere is that explained, nor is it made clear how you acquire those elements if you don’t have them. Ergo, the "tip" is not one size fits all. How good is it then, in the context of "this is the best tip in the history of RSG"? Now all of those are indications that this is crap. But the one that really needs to be said, is that one of the biggest horrors a golfer can get is a case of the sh*nks. That’s hitting the ball, unintentionally, with the hosel, causing the ball to squirt away from the golfer in the direction he’s facing. So what does this "anonymous" tipster tell us to try to do? To try to sh*nk the ball! I wouldn’t try this tip for anything; clearly, from what I’ve demonstrated above, what’s being presented is crap. Maybe there is a drill something like this that might be useful for specific swing flaws, but to assume this is the answer just because some nimrod says so is taking a big risk with your swing. The last thing in the world I’d do is practice sh*nking the ball. CW, that’s why. Mike PS: In some parts, it is considered rude to use the word I’m asterisking out above. For some golfers, the mere mention of the word can sometimes bring on the beast itself. So I blip out a vowel. BTW, that vowel is an "a". <clip See a pro. IMO, you’re not going to learn a swing on RSG, and you’ll waste a lot of time trying stuff out until you discover that for yourself. I figure it cost me 2+ years in my development as a golfer, reading the swing threads on RSG and thinking they would hold the key to my improvement. My improvement coincided with my ignoring swing tips, golf magazines, and RSG swing mechanics threads. Oh, I know, those things can be seductive, but in the final analysis, ask yourself (and others!) how many tips they’ve received that have been truly valuable and have remained with them for all time. Mike True – go and see a pro if you need help. Practice when you are playing well and see a pro when you ain’t (ok so that’s a bit simple). But I wouldn’t suppress any discussion on swing theory. Nobody’s suppressing anything. Besides, how would one do that? It’s only discussion. One of the troubles here was that several people took themselves too seriously. They wanted to be RSG gurus but had they any credentials? That’s one of the underlying issues in using RSG as a resource. You have to evaluate the veracity of the claims that are made. That only happens over time. A great example is the "Xmas present, a tip that finally works" and the "hit the ball with the hosel" threads. The poster–who posted under "Anonymous"–claims to be a pro, won some minor tourneys, etc. Well, I don’t believe that. If he really believed what he said, he wouldn’t hide behind a veil of anonymity, afraid to allow his real name to be associated with his expressed ideas. It’s clear from the fact that end of the message included this wonderfully validating tagline: "This message was posted via two or more anonymous remailing services." Oh, really? Who is so in need of hiding their identity that they need to go through two anonymous remailing services? Nobody whose advice you can trust, that’s for sure. So, hopefully, people caught that, and discounted the advice. They also should have discounted it for the quality of advice, but for a newby, that’s not so easy to discern–how do you tell what’s crap, which that was, and what’s not crap? And I didn’t comment on it in that thread simply because it was clear from much of the commentary in response to my recent thread titled "A swing mechanics thread for those who really want to improve" that there are a lot of people who want that "advice," regardless of how silly it is. Take everything here as a discussion – it’s only fun…..nobody should be criticised for saying what they think or what helped them etc. I agree. The argument can, however, be criticized for its quality. But there is nothing to be gained by listening to any of it and trying to adapt it. Well, you’re certainly not going to find me disagreeing with that, Mickey. :) What’s funny about this whole thing is that many view RSG as a type of community (which, in one way, it is). But when, in the interests of community, people try to point out what’s crap, they can be vilified for it. I find this odd. In my view of community, if someone tries to mislead people–and newbies are easy to mislead, by virtue of the fact that they can’t yet tell the wheat from the chaff–then we should point that out. But it’s clear that some don’t want that message. Mike Mike Dalecki GCA Accredited Clubmaker http://clubdoctor.com RSG-Wisconsin 2003 Information: http://dalecki.net/rsgwis2003 RSG Roll Call: http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=daleckim I do not patronize spammers. Help keep RSG clean! — Mike Dalecki GCA Accredited Clubmaker http://clubdoctor.com RSG-Wisconsin 2003 Information: http://dalecki.net/rsgwis2003 RSG Roll Call: http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=daleckim I do not patronize spammers. Help keep RSG clean!
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Tried the – Hit with the hosel drill -.Half a dozen balls to get the feel another half dozen to be confident my ball striking-with my irons- is better than ever 14hcp. If you dont like dont try-I await any other thoughts/drills from Anon.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (snipped) : :I find this odd. In my view of community, if someone tries to mislead :people–and newbies are easy to mislead, by virtue of the fact that they :can’t yet tell the wheat from the chaff–then we should point that out. :But it’s clear that some don’t want that message. : :Mike : Mike, it’s not your job to protect the innocent. We’re all adults here. There’s lots of good information about swinging a golf club available, books, tapes, magazines and even postings on this newsgroup. I’ve learned good stuff from all these sources and I’ve taken golf lessons too. I cannot shake my suspicion that your agenda is to control the direction of the discussion here for financial reasons. You know, get back to which shafts are the best, how to install them, make it sound *real* technical…provide your email address and web site in case somebody "wants to contact" you. Do the students in your classes have to have degrees in the subjects under discussion to offer their opinions on them? I hope the answer to that is *no, they don’t* – otherwise your classes might just be a burdonsome blanket of conventional wisdom that new ideas never penetrate. I don’t think you need to be a scratch handicap or a pga member to have valid opinions on golf. Maybe a 90 shooter has a great technique for the flop shot, who the hell knows? I’m game to hear it and evaluate it for myself. I do not believe that you are trying to protect the "simple minded innocents" from poor quality swing advice. If you are sold on golf lessons then fine – good for you. I think you are crossing some kind of line though, by promoting the idea that only card carrying pga members have any useful information on how to swing a golf club. That’s simply not true. It also dissuades some 90 shooter who is getting his slice under control from explaining to us how he did it. I’m interested in hearing what he has to say. I stand for freedom of speech in this newsgroup and I’m not selling *anything*. If some guy has some theory of how to correct a slice and is willing to take the time to try to explain it then I think he deserves credit. Maybe he’s on to something that will help someone out there. Who knows. In any event it’s not the worst thing for all golfers to evaluate different ideas and see if their own ideas are better or worse. At the very least it is interesting stuff – "hey Johnny Miller says…". Don’t be so smarmy, condescending and evil, Mike. That would be condescending because you think there are lesser intellects out here that need protecting. Evil because you have a financial interest in directing discussion back to your own special interests. Smarmy because you purport to have the interests of the simple folk in mind rather than your own. Have a good day. Merry Christmas to all my fellow pilgrims on rec.sport.golf jmkanes Gawd that was gross. Mike, speak your mind and ‘protect the field’ as all good golfers always will.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (snipped) : :I find this odd. In my view of community, if someone tries to mislead :people–and newbies are easy to mislead, by virtue of the fact that they :can’t yet tell the wheat from the chaff–then we should point that out. :But it’s clear that some don’t want that message. : :Mike : Mike, it’s not your job to protect the innocent. We’re all adults here. There’s lots of good information about swinging a golf club available, books, tapes, magazines and even postings on this newsgroup. I’ve learned good stuff from all these sources and I’ve taken golf lessons too. I cannot shake my suspicion that your agenda is to control the direction of the discussion here for financial reasons. You know, get back to which shafts are the best, how to install them, make it sound *real* technical…provide your email address and web site in case somebody "wants to contact" you. Do the students in your classes have to have degrees in the subjects under discussion to offer their opinions on them? I hope the answer to that is *no, they don’t* – otherwise your classes might just be a burdonsome blanket of conventional wisdom that new ideas never penetrate. I don’t think you need to be a scratch handicap or a pga member to have valid opinions on golf. Maybe a 90 shooter has a great technique for the flop shot, who the hell knows? I’m game to hear it and evaluate it for myself. I do not believe that you are trying to protect the "simple minded innocents" from poor quality swing advice. If you are sold on golf lessons then fine – good for you. I think you are crossing some kind of line though, by promoting the idea that only card carrying pga members have any useful information on how to swing a golf club. That’s simply not true. It also dissuades some 90 shooter who is getting his slice under control from explaining to us how he did it. I’m interested in hearing what he has to say. I stand for freedom of speech in this newsgroup and I’m not selling *anything*. If some guy has some theory of how to correct a slice and is willing to take the time to try to explain it then I think he deserves credit. Maybe he’s on to something that will help someone out there. Who knows. In any event it’s not the worst thing for all golfers to evaluate different ideas and see if their own ideas are better or worse. At the very least it is interesting stuff – "hey Johnny Miller says…". Don’t be so smarmy, condescending and evil, Mike. That would be condescending because you think there are lesser intellects out here that need protecting. Evil because you have a financial interest in directing discussion back to your own special interests. Smarmy because you purport to have the interests of the simple folk in mind rather than your own. Have a good day. Merry Christmas to all my fellow pilgrims on rec.sport.golf jmkanes
Gawd that was gross. Mike, speak your mind and ‘protect the field’ as all good golfers always will.
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(snipped) : :I find this odd. In my view of community, if someone tries to mislead :people–and newbies are easy to mislead, by virtue of the fact that they :can’t yet tell the wheat from the chaff–then we should point that out. :But it’s clear that some don’t want that message. : :Mike : Mike, it’s not your job to protect the innocent. We’re all adults here. There’s lots of good information about swinging a golf club available, books, tapes, magazines and even postings on this newsgroup. I’ve learned good stuff from all these sources and I’ve taken golf lessons too. I cannot shake my suspicion that your agenda is to control the direction of the discussion here for financial reasons. You know, get back to which shafts are the best, how to install them, make it sound *real* technical…provide your email address and web site in case somebody "wants to contact" you. Do the students in your classes have to have degrees in the subjects under discussion to offer their opinions on them? I hope the answer to that is *no, they don’t* – otherwise your classes might just be a burdonsome blanket of conventional wisdom that new ideas never penetrate. I don’t think you need to be a scratch handicap or a pga member to have valid opinions on golf. Maybe a 90 shooter has a great technique for the flop shot, who the hell knows? I’m game to hear it and evaluate it for myself. I do not believe that you are trying to protect the "simple minded innocents" from poor quality swing advice. If you are sold on golf lessons then fine – good for you. I think you are crossing some kind of line though, by promoting the idea that only card carrying pga members have any useful information on how to swing a golf club. That’s simply not true. It also dissuades some 90 shooter who is getting his slice under control from explaining to us how he did it. I’m interested in hearing what he has to say. I stand for freedom of speech in this newsgroup and I’m not selling *anything*. If some guy has some theory of how to correct a slice and is willing to take the time to try to explain it then I think he deserves credit. Maybe he’s on to something that will help someone out there. Who knows. In any event it’s not the worst thing for all golfers to evaluate different ideas and see if their own ideas are better or worse. At the very least it is interesting stuff – "hey Johnny Miller says…". Don’t be so smarmy, condescending and evil, Mike. That would be condescending because you think there are lesser intellects out here that need protecting. Evil because you have a financial interest in directing discussion back to your own special interests. Smarmy because you purport to have the interests of the simple folk in mind rather than your own. Have a good day. Merry Christmas to all my fellow pilgrims on rec.sport.golf jmkanes
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Okay, you state that it is crap to try to hit the ball with the hosel. Why?
Well, I don’t think I said that, but I sure think it. There’s a number of reasons. In no particular order: 1. "OK folks. Here is the golf tip of the year. Better yet, the best tip in the history of RSG. Follow this and you will learn how to hit better shots." As quoted in his "Xmas" post. Any time people make such statements as absolutes, run the other way. There is no "one size fits all" advice for the golf swing. 2. "start your swing with the hosel directed at the ball." Oh really? How on earth does one do that? "Start your swing"? Sheesh. Is this setup? At the top of the swing? Pointing the shaft directly at the ball? Anybody who really was a golf pro, who really gave lessons to people, would recognize how this could be misinterpreted and would have made much clearer what the directions are. That they did not means they left out just enough to be misinterpreted in any number of ways. 3. "The toe of the club should be 180 degrees from the ball." What on earth does that mean? Depending on how you interpret this, it means the blade is pointing 180 degrees from target, 90 degrees from target away from you, even 90 degrees from target TOWARD you. Which is right? None of them, of course. 4. "If you pivot properly and get your body properly into the swing, you will hit the sweet spot of the clubface and not the hosel." This is a red herring. "If you pivot properly…" Oh really? And where in the tip are we learning to do this? Nowhere, of course. "…and get your body properly into the swing…" Oh really? And where in the tip are we learning to do this? It’s clear that, according to the poster, you need some other elements in your swing for this to work. Nowhere is that explained, nor is it made clear how you acquire those elements if you don’t have them. Ergo, the "tip" is not one size fits all. How good is it then, in the context of "this is the best tip in the history of RSG"? Now all of those are indications that this is crap. But the one that really needs to be said, is that one of the biggest horrors a golfer can get is a case of the sh*nks. That’s hitting the ball, unintentionally, with the hosel, causing the ball to squirt away from the golfer in the direction he’s facing. So what does this "anonymous" tipster tell us to try to do? To try to sh*nk the ball! I wouldn’t try this tip for anything; clearly, from what I’ve demonstrated above, what’s being presented is crap. Maybe there is a drill something like this that might be useful for specific swing flaws, but to assume this is the answer just because some nimrod says so is taking a big risk with your swing. The last thing in the world I’d do is practice sh*nking the ball. CW, that’s why. Mike PS: In some parts, it is considered rude to use the word I’m asterisking out above. For some golfers, the mere mention of the word can sometimes bring on the beast itself. So I blip out a vowel. BTW, that vowel is an "a". – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <clip See a pro. IMO, you’re not going to learn a swing on RSG, and you’ll waste a lot of time trying stuff out until you discover that for yourself. I figure it cost me 2+ years in my development as a golfer, reading the swing threads on RSG and thinking they would hold the key to my improvement. My improvement coincided with my ignoring swing tips, golf magazines, and RSG swing mechanics threads. Oh, I know, those things can be seductive, but in the final analysis, ask yourself (and others!) how many tips they’ve received that have been truly valuable and have remained with them for all time. Mike True – go and see a pro if you need help. Practice when you are playing well and see a pro when you ain’t (ok so that’s a bit simple). But I wouldn’t suppress any discussion on swing theory. Nobody’s suppressing anything. Besides, how would one do that? It’s only discussion. One of the troubles here was that several people took themselves too seriously. They wanted to be RSG gurus but had they any credentials? That’s one of the underlying issues in using RSG as a resource. You have to evaluate the veracity of the claims that are made. That only happens over time. A great example is the "Xmas present, a tip that finally works" and the "hit the ball with the hosel" threads. The poster–who posted under "Anonymous"–claims to be a pro, won some minor tourneys, etc. Well, I don’t believe that. If he really believed what he said, he wouldn’t hide behind a veil of anonymity, afraid to allow his real name to be associated with his expressed ideas. It’s clear from the fact that end of the message included this wonderfully validating tagline: "This message was posted via two or more anonymous remailing services." Oh, really? Who is so in need of hiding their identity that they need to go through two anonymous remailing services? Nobody whose advice you can trust, that’s for sure. So, hopefully, people caught that, and discounted the advice. They also should have discounted it for the quality of advice, but for a newby, that’s not so easy to discern–how do you tell what’s crap, which that was, and what’s not crap? And I didn’t comment on it in that thread simply because it was clear from much of the commentary in response to my recent thread titled "A swing mechanics thread for those who really want to improve" that there are a lot of people who want that "advice," regardless of how silly it is. Take everything here as a discussion – it’s only fun…..nobody should be criticised for saying what they think or what helped them etc. I agree. The argument can, however, be criticized for its quality. But there is nothing to be gained by listening to any of it and trying to adapt it. Well, you’re certainly not going to find me disagreeing with that, Mickey. :) What’s funny about this whole thing is that many view RSG as a type of community (which, in one way, it is). But when, in the interests of community, people try to point out what’s crap, they can be vilified for it. I find this odd. In my view of community, if someone tries to mislead people–and newbies are easy to mislead, by virtue of the fact that they can’t yet tell the wheat from the chaff–then we should point that out. But it’s clear that some don’t want that message. Mike Mike Dalecki GCA Accredited Clubmaker http://clubdoctor.com RSG-Wisconsin 2003 Information: http://dalecki.net/rsgwis2003 RSG Roll Call: http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=daleckim I do not patronize spammers. Help keep RSG clean!
– Mike Dalecki GCA Accredited Clubmaker http://clubdoctor.com RSG-Wisconsin 2003 Information: http://dalecki.net/rsgwis2003 RSG Roll Call: http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=daleckim I do not patronize spammers. Help keep RSG clean!
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there are two, or more ways of learning, ie; in a practical manner, and from observation, being two of them. I have also noticed that there are people - who have trouble with both methods. ===== The poster of the "lag" tip classifies his post as a "new or
provocative theory" and then criticizes folks for not "accepting" it .. duh !!!. This is a group for *discussion*
==== (this below, is a re-post – initially presented as a logical / helpful issue, from all accounts) OK folks. Here is the golf tip of the year. Better yet, the best tip in the history of RSG. Follow this and you will learn how to hit better shots. On the downswing, you get power from lag. Lag is very important. Your hands must lead the swing. Very difficult to do or feel, however.