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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Well, well. I’ve been off the newwsgroup for a couple of weeks and I see that one thing hasn’t changed a bit. David Laville is still a flaming idiot. : In case you weren’t aware, several weeks later Freddy Couples and Mark : Brooks both had holes-in-one at the TPC Sawgrass. The fans responded : by clapping, cheering and whistling, not one piece of trash was : thrown. : I guess you can say Freddy Couples and Mark Brooks bring a better : class of spectators to the game. David, you can’t blame Tiger for the fact that the 16th at Phoenix is surrounded EVERY YEAR by rowdy and drunken college kids. Tiger didn’t bring this element to Phoenix, as Freddie and Mark didn’t bring the genteel crowd to the TPC at Sawgrass. Maybe I didn’t express myself the way I wanted too, but the way the crowd responded to Woods and the way they responded to Couples and Brooks was totally different. I saw pictures of the tee box and the trash littering it, It sure didn’t look like college kids surrounding the tee box to me. Maybe these players weren’t responsible for bringing in certain crowds, but one fact is undeniable, the reaction of the crowds to the same achievement was totally different. One last thing. if you can’t blame Tiger for the bad element on the course how you justify giving him credit for the good? David Golf Homepage http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/3580/
There’s nothing wrong with the way Tiger reacted to that ace at Phoenix, and when you think of Fred Couples at the TPC, think also about his reaction at the President’s cup last year, when he sunk the long putt to lock up the trophy for the US team. I’ve never had an ace, but I’ve seen a few (including my wife’s two), and I know exactly how I’ll react when I finally get one. It will probably pale Tiger’s show by comparison. From all I’ve read and heard over the past six months, Tiger is a nice, polite, genteel young man, having been raised with fine qualities. However, I think that what we see and hear of him now is the result of him following some very bad advice from his "handlers" at IMG and Nike, both of which I think are taking advantage of him. There are some things I don’t like about him, but I think everyone reading this would admit that there a some things they don’t like about even the best of their idols. In all, Tiger Woods ON HIS OWN is probably very good for the fine sport of golf, bringing more attention and people (and money) to the game, and raising the bar for the many other excellent players on the PGA Tour. But with his handlers telling him what to do and when to do it, and with all the media pressure, a lot of his actions and comments are coming through in ways that cause some people (including myself) to be less than enthusiastic about him. I think the real test of Tiger will come at the end of the PGA Tour season in the year 2006 (ten years as a pro) — When people hear his name will they say "Wow, he’s really good" or will they respond with "Tiger who?"?
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: Tiger’s enthusiasm certainly got me excited about the game of golf. : There’s nothing like the image in Las Vegas after Tiger got the : hole-in-one and the fans went ballistic throwing things out onto the : golf course. It sends chills up my spine every time I see it. : You get chills up your spine when you see someone trash and litter a : golf course? Do you have an orgasm when a garbage truck passes? : Of course, : you’d probably have liked it if they did the golf clap while Tiger : tipped his cap — so proper! Well, it seems like Tiger has gotten the : hint because all he does now is a tiny little fist pump, nothing like : pre-Masters rounds. Spoil sports! :p : In case you weren’t aware, several weeks later Freddy Couples and Mark : Brooks both had holes-in-one at the TPC Sawgrass. The fans responded : by clapping, cheering and whistling, not one piece of trash was : thrown. : I guess you can say Freddy Couples and Mark Brooks bring a better : class of spectators to the game. : Politically Incorrect, : David Not "politically incorrect." Just "incorrect," as I explained in my previous post. – Young
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Hate to say it, but I agree. The guy is a genius, but he simply doesn’t seem to respect the traditions of the sport. Golf is a sport of decorum–if you want to have a histronic outburst every time you make a good shot, play hockey or basketball or something else.
The traditions of golf are stupid. When Payne Stewart can dress traditionally, and not get laughed off the golf course, that is stupid. When there are still golf courses that you cannot get onto because of i) the stupid tradition of racism,ii) the stupid tradition of improper dress, it is pure lunacy. Good for Tiger, that he is not repressed. If I were worth nine figures before I was 25, I’d be celebrating too. Why do you think Happy Gilmore was so popular? Among other things, because it deservingly ridiculed golf’s stupid "traditions." Amazingly enough, Happy Gilmore was made entirely without support from the PGA. Tiger is way beyond his years in terms of maturity. — Jefferson Glapski Visit the webpage of the above at: http://home.ican.net/~jng/
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Tiger’s enthusiasm certainly got me excited about the game of golf. There’s nothing like the image in Las Vegas after Tiger got the hole-in-one and the fans went ballistic throwing things out onto the golf course. It sends chills up my spine every time I see it. You get chills up your spine when you see someone trash and litter a golf course? Do you have an orgasm when a garbage truck passes?
You’ve missed the point, as usual. And can you please stick to golf and post your fantasies to the appropriate ng. It makes you look like an idiot.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Tiger’s enthusiasm certainly got me excited about the game of golf. There’s nothing like the image in Las Vegas after Tiger got the hole-in-one and the fans went ballistic throwing things out onto the golf course. It sends chills up my spine every time I see it. You get chills up your spine when you see someone trash and litter a golf course? Do you have an orgasm when a garbage truck passes? You’ve missed the point, as usual. And can you please stick to golf and post your fantasies to the appropriate ng. It makes you look like an idiot.
Well Ms. O’Leary, instead of flaming me to cover your ass of a idiotic PC statement, why don’t you tell what the point was. BTW, my reply did pertain to golf. Did you happen to see the words "golf course" in my first sentence? David Golf Homepage http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/3580/
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: In case you weren’t aware, several weeks later Freddy Couples and Mark : Brooks both had holes-in-one at the TPC Sawgrass. The fans responded : by clapping, cheering and whistling, not one piece of trash was : thrown. : I guess you can say Freddy Couples and Mark Brooks bring a better : class of spectators to the game. David, you can’t blame Tiger for the fact that the 16th at Phoenix is surrounded EVERY YEAR by rowdy and drunken college kids. Tiger didn’t bring this element to Phoenix, as Freddie and Mark didn’t bring the genteel crowd to the TPC at Sawgrass.
Maybe I didn’t express myself the way I wanted too, but the way the crowd responded to Woods and the way they responded to Couples and Brooks was totally different. I saw pictures of the tee box and the trash littering it, It sure didn’t look like college kids surrounding the tee box to me. Maybe these players weren’t responsible for bringing in certain crowds, but one fact is undeniable, the reaction of the crowds to the same achievement was totally different. One last thing. if you can’t blame Tiger for the bad element on the course how you justify giving him credit for the good? David Golf Homepage http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/3580/
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -: In case you weren’t aware, several weeks later Freddy Couples and Mark : Brooks both had holes-in-one at the TPC Sawgrass. The fans responded : by clapping, cheering and whistling, not one piece of trash was : thrown. : I guess you can say Freddy Couples and Mark Brooks bring a better : class of spectators to the game. : Politically Incorrect, : David Not "politically incorrect." Just "incorrect," as I explained in my previous post. – Young
Only incorrect in your eyes. David Golf Homepage http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/3580/
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Get out of my newsgroup ! You don’t know squat about golf. You can take a Happy Gilmore video and stick it wher the sun doesn’t shine, sideways. TheReal Ken – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hate to say it, but I agree. The guy is a genius, but he simply doesn’t seem to respect the traditions of the sport. Golf is a sport of decorum–if you want to have a histronic outburst every time you make a good shot, play hockey or basketball or something else. The traditions of golf are stupid. When Payne Stewart can dress traditionally, and not get laughed off the golf course, that is stupid. When there are still golf courses that you cannot get onto because of i) the stupid tradition of racism,ii) the stupid tradition of improper dress, it is pure lunacy. Good for Tiger, that he is not repressed. If I were worth nine figures before I was 25, I’d be celebrating too. Why do you think Happy Gilmore was so popular? Among other things, because it deservingly ridiculed golf’s stupid "traditions." Amazingly enough, Happy Gilmore was made entirely without support from the PGA. Tiger is way beyond his years in terms of maturity. — Jefferson Glapski Visit the webpage of the above at: http://home.ican.net/~jng/
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Get out of my newsgroup ! You don’t know squat about golf. You can take a Happy Gilmore video and stick it wher the sun doesn’t shine, sideways. TheReal Ken
Sorry, I didn’t know this newsgroup was privately owned when I started reading a few months ago. Geez, was that posted somewhere and I missed it? Stupid me, of course. This is my last look – I’ll try Dejanews from time-to-time to see if a public newsgroup emerges. You see, I’d be in line for "eviction" from this private newsgroup eventually, too - I agree with several of Jefferson’s points. And I’ve only played for over thirty years off a single-figure handicap, in the US, Australia, and New Zealand. Guess I don’t know squat about golf, either. Ken, enjoy your miserable little life. I’m outta here. If you want to flame, the thread follows that that’s the right of the owner(s). Flame into a vaccum, though – I won’t be seeing it. Have fun. Shez – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hate to say it, but I agree. The guy is a genius, but he simply doesn’t seem to respect the traditions of the sport. Golf is a sport of decorum–if you want to have a histronic outburst every time you make a good shot, play hockey or basketball or something else. The traditions of golf are stupid. When Payne Stewart can dress traditionally, and not get laughed off the golf course, that is stupid. When there are still golf courses that you cannot get onto because of i) the stupid tradition of racism,ii) the stupid tradition of improper dress, it is pure lunacy. Good for Tiger, that he is not repressed. If I were worth nine figures before I was 25, I’d be celebrating too. Why do you think Happy Gilmore was so popular? Among other things, because it deservingly ridiculed golf’s stupid "traditions." Amazingly enough, Happy Gilmore was made entirely without support from the PGA. Tiger is way beyond his years in terms of maturity. — Jefferson Glapski Visit the webpage of the above at: http://home.ican.net/~jng/
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The traditions of golf are stupid. When Payne Stewart can dress traditionally, and not get laughed off the golf course, that is stupid. When there are still golf courses that you cannot get onto because of i) the stupid tradition of racism,ii) the stupid tradition of improper dress, it is pure lunacy. Good for Tiger, that he is not repressed. If I were worth nine figures before I was 25, I’d be celebrating too. Why do you think Happy Gilmore was so popular? Among other things, because it deservingly ridiculed golf’s stupid "traditions." Amazingly enough, Happy Gilmore was made entirely without support from the PGA. Tiger is way beyond his years in terms of maturity.
Haha….I agree! The traditions of golf are important, no doubt, but I think the sport takes itself a little too seriously. It’s a game, after all! -Cem — Cem Cebenoyan || "Got more funky styles Georgia Institute of Technology || than my laserjet got Computer Science || font"
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I don’t need to see so much celebration on the golf course. It’s like
watching the old Miami Hurricanes football team. Soon there will have to be a celebration penalty stroke in golf because of this guy’s
arrogance. What is his "A" game after all. Probably an 18 on a par 72 course. Don’t get me wrong I think he is a terriffic golfer. I would
appreciate his talents much more if he just tipped his cap and waved when he made a great shot. Watch Tom Kite the next time he makes a
good shot and that is all you will see. He is the consumate professional. My other favorites are Freddy Couples, Davis Love,
Justin Leonard, and Corey Pavin. Guess you just hate to see Chichi sink a 20 footer, huh?
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Don’t let the door hit you in your Aussie "arse" ! TheReal Ken – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Get out of my newsgroup ! You don’t know squat about golf. You can take a Happy Gilmore video and stick it wher the sun doesn’t shine, sideways. TheReal Ken Sorry, I didn’t know this newsgroup was privately owned when I started reading a few months ago. Geez, was that posted somewhere and I missed it? Stupid me, of course. This is my last look – I’ll try Dejanews from time-to-time to see if a public newsgroup emerges. You see, I’d be in line for "eviction" from this private newsgroup eventually, too - I agree with several of Jefferson’s points. And I’ve only played for over thirty years off a single-figure handicap, in the US, Australia, and New Zealand. Guess I don’t know squat about golf, either. Ken, enjoy your miserable little life. I’m outta here. If you want to flame, the thread follows that that’s the right of the owner(s). Flame into a vaccum, though – I won’t be seeing it. Have fun. Shez Hate to say it, but I agree. The guy is a genius, but he simply doesn’t seem to respect the traditions of the sport. Golf is a sport of decorum–if you want to have a histronic outburst every time you make a good shot, play hockey or basketball or something else. The traditions of golf are stupid. When Payne Stewart can dress traditionally, and not get laughed off the golf course, that is stupid. When there are still golf courses that you cannot get onto because of i) the stupid tradition of racism,ii) the stupid tradition of improper dress, it is pure lunacy. Good for Tiger, that he is not repressed. If I were worth nine figures before I was 25, I’d be celebrating too. Why do you think Happy Gilmore was so popular? Among other things, because it deservingly ridiculed golf’s stupid "traditions." Amazingly enough, Happy Gilmore was made entirely without support from the PGA. Tiger is way beyond his years in terms of maturity. — Jefferson Glapski Visit the webpage of the above at: http://home.ican.net/~jng/
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Well, well. I’ve been off the newwsgroup for a couple of weeks and I see that one thing hasn’t changed a bit. David Laville is still a flaming idiot. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : In case you weren’t aware, several weeks later Freddy Couples and Mark : Brooks both had holes-in-one at the TPC Sawgrass. The fans responded : by clapping, cheering and whistling, not one piece of trash was : thrown. : I guess you can say Freddy Couples and Mark Brooks bring a better : class of spectators to the game. David, you can’t blame Tiger for the fact that the 16th at Phoenix is surrounded EVERY YEAR by rowdy and drunken college kids. Tiger didn’t bring this element to Phoenix, as Freddie and Mark didn’t bring the genteel crowd to the TPC at Sawgrass. Maybe I didn’t express myself the way I wanted too, but the way the crowd responded to Woods and the way they responded to Couples and Brooks was totally different. I saw pictures of the tee box and the trash littering it, It sure didn’t look like college kids surrounding the tee box to me. Maybe these players weren’t responsible for bringing in certain crowds, but one fact is undeniable, the reaction of the crowds to the same achievement was totally different. One last thing. if you can’t blame Tiger for the bad element on the course how you justify giving him credit for the good? David Golf Homepage http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/3580/
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Sorry, I didn’t know this newsgroup was privately owned when I started reading a few months ago. Geez, was that posted somewhere and I missed it? Stupid me, of course. This is my last look – I’ll try Dejanews from time-to-time to see if a public newsgroup emerges. You see, I’d be in line for "eviction" from this private newsgroup eventually, too - I agree with several of Jefferson’s points. And I’ve only played for over thirty years off a single-figure handicap, in the US, Australia, and New Zealand. Guess I don’t know squat about golf, either. Ken, enjoy your miserable little life. I’m outta here. If you want to flame, the thread follows that that’s the right of the owner(s). Flame into a vaccum, though – I won’t be seeing it. Have fun. Shez
I have one question, why is it when ever spamers come into this group they always reply about their "single digit" handicap? David Golf Homepage http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/3580/
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Well, well. I’ve been off the newwsgroup for a couple of weeks and I see that one thing hasn’t changed a bit. David Laville is still a flaming idiot.
And I still see you haven’t changed. You still insult me without repudiating a thing in my message. Before you call me a flaming idiot re-read this message. No where did I flame anyone, jerk. Just like mailyman, you show up after a week absence and the first thing you do, seek me out in your messages. Why are you and several others so hung up on my dick? Do you want me to take a picture of it and send it to you so you can proudly admire it? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : In case you weren’t aware, several weeks later Freddy Couples and Mark : Brooks both had holes-in-one at the TPC Sawgrass. The fans responded : by clapping, cheering and whistling, not one piece of trash was : thrown. : I guess you can say Freddy Couples and Mark Brooks bring a better : class of spectators to the game. David, you can’t blame Tiger for the fact that the 16th at Phoenix is surrounded EVERY YEAR by rowdy and drunken college kids. Tiger didn’t bring this element to Phoenix, as Freddie and Mark didn’t bring the genteel crowd to the TPC at Sawgrass. Maybe I didn’t express myself the way I wanted too, but the way the crowd responded to Woods and the way they responded to Couples and Brooks was totally different. I saw pictures of the tee box and the trash littering it, It sure didn’t look like college kids surrounding the tee box to me. Maybe these players weren’t responsible for bringing in certain crowds, but one fact is undeniable, the reaction of the crowds to the same achievement was totally different. One last thing. if you can’t blame Tiger for the bad element on the course how you justify giving him credit for the good?
David Golf Homepage http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/3580/
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I don’t need to see so much celebration on the golf course. It’s like watching the old Miami Hurricanes football team. Soon there will have to be a celebration penalty stroke in golf because of this guy’s arrogance. What is his "A" game after all. Probably an 18 on a par 72 course. Don’t get me wrong I think he is a terriffic golfer. I would appreciate his talents much more if he just tipped his cap and waved when he made a great shot. Watch Tom Kite the next time he makes a good shot and that is all you will see. He is the consumate professional. My other favorites are Freddy Couples, Davis Love, Justin Leonard, and Corey Pavin.
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I don’t need to see so much celebration on the golf course. It’s like watching the old Miami Hurricanes football team. Soon there will have to be a celebration penalty stroke in golf because of this guy’s arrogance. What is his "A" game after all. Probably an 18 on a par 72 course. Don’t get me wrong I think he is a terriffic golfer. I would appreciate his talents much more if he just tipped his cap and waved when he made a great shot. Watch Tom Kite the next time he makes a good shot and that is all you will see. He is the consumate professional. My other favorites are Freddy Couples, Davis Love, Justin Leonard, and Corey Pavin.
Everyone express their emotions differently, why force someone to act like someone else?? However, the only time someone shouldn’t be cocky is when they can’t back it up. If you got it show it… That’s what I here to watch. …/GaryCS :-) —
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Looks like Mr rnadler just nailed one down the middle. BTW, Tom Kite is pure class isn’t he ? Doesn’t hurt that he’s a Longhorn and a Texan. TheReal Ken – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I don’t need to see so much celebration on the golf course. It’s like watching the old Miami Hurricanes football team. Soon there will have to be a celebration penalty stroke in golf because of this guy’s arrogance. What is his "A" game after all. Probably an 18 on a par 72 course. Don’t get me wrong I think he is a terriffic golfer. I would appreciate his talents much more if he just tipped his cap and waved when he made a great shot. Watch Tom Kite the next time he makes a good shot and that is all you will see. He is the consumate professional. My other favorites are Freddy Couples, Davis Love, Justin Leonard, and Corey Pavin.
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: Tiger’s enthusiasm certainly got me excited about the game of golf. : There’s nothing like the image in Las Vegas after Tiger got the : hole-in-one and the fans went ballistic throwing things out onto the : golf course. It sends chills up my spine every time I see it. : You get chills up your spine when you see someone trash and litter a : golf course? Do you have an orgasm when a garbage truck passes? : Of course, : you’d probably have liked it if they did the golf clap while Tiger : tipped his cap — so proper! Well, it seems like Tiger has gotten the : hint because all he does now is a tiny little fist pump, nothing like : pre-Masters rounds. Spoil sports! :p : In case you weren’t aware, several weeks later Freddy Couples and Mark : Brooks both had holes-in-one at the TPC Sawgrass. The fans responded : by clapping, cheering and whistling, not one piece of trash was : thrown. : I guess you can say Freddy Couples and Mark Brooks bring a better : class of spectators to the game. David, you can’t blame Tiger for the fact that the 16th at Phoenix is surrounded EVERY YEAR by rowdy and drunken college kids. Tiger didn’t bring this element to Phoenix, as Freddie and Mark didn’t bring the genteel crowd to the TPC at Sawgrass. The 16th at Phoenix has gotten so bad over the years that several prominent pros skipped this year’s event because of the crowd at that one hole. – Young
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I don’t need to see so much celebration on the golf course. It’s like watching the old Miami Hurricanes football team. Soon there will have to be a celebration penalty stroke in golf because of this guy’s arrogance. What is his "A" game after all. Probably an 18 on a par 72 course. Don’t get me wrong I think he is a terriffic golfer. I would appreciate his talents much more if he just tipped his cap and waved when he made a great shot. Watch Tom Kite the next time he makes a good shot and that is all you will see. He is the consumate professional. My other favorites are Freddy Couples, Davis Love, Justin Leonard, and Corey Pavin.
Hate to say it, but I agree. The guy is a genius, but he simply doesn’t seem to respect the traditions of the sport. Golf is a sport of decorum–if you want to have a histronic outburst every time you make a good shot, play hockey or basketball or something else. And I also agree with you on another thing–Tom Kite is Mr. Class. I’ve seen him a several tourneys, and he seems (at least from a distance) to be a true gentleman, in the old sense of the word.
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Tiger’s enthusiasm certainly got me excited about the game of golf. There’s nothing like the image in Las Vegas after Tiger got the hole-in-one and the fans went ballistic throwing things out onto the golf course. It sends chills up my spine every time I see it.
You get chills up your spine when you see someone trash and litter a golf course? Do you have an orgasm when a garbage truck passes? Of course, you’d probably have liked it if they did the golf clap while Tiger tipped his cap — so proper! Well, it seems like Tiger has gotten the hint because all he does now is a tiny little fist pump, nothing like pre-Masters rounds. Spoil sports! :p
In case you weren’t aware, several weeks later Freddy Couples and Mark Brooks both had holes-in-one at the TPC Sawgrass. The fans responded by clapping, cheering and whistling, not one piece of trash was thrown. I guess you can say Freddy Couples and Mark Brooks bring a better class of spectators to the game. Politically Incorrect, David Golf Homepage http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/3580/
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Correct me if I’m wrong, didn’t the ace occur in Phoenix or Tucson ? I loved the fan reaction to the ace. Don’t have any problem with that. That was the most ecitement I’ve ever seen at a golf course. Also, I liked the way Tiger interacted with the crowd in that case. I don’t like the fist-pumping and "I’m trying to kill a bear with my putter" expression. Also, you don’t know enough about me to call me a spoiled sport. TheReal Ken – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Tiger’s enthusiasm certainly got me excited about the game of golf. There’s nothing like the image in Las Vegas after Tiger got the hole-in-one and the fans went ballistic throwing things out onto the golf course. It sends chills up my spine every time I see it. Of course, you’d probably have liked it if they did the golf clap while Tiger tipped his cap — so proper! Well, it seems like Tiger has gotten the hint because all he does now is a tiny little fist pump, nothing like pre-Masters rounds. Spoil sports! :p Looks like Mr rnadler just nailed one down the middle. BTW, Tom Kite is pure class isn’t he ? Doesn’t hurt that he’s a Longhorn and a Texan. TheReal Ken
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Tiger’s enthusiasm certainly got me excited about the game of golf. There’s nothing like the image in Las Vegas after Tiger got the hole-in-one and the fans went ballistic throwing things out onto the golf course. It sends chills up my spine every time I see it. Of course, you’d probably have liked it if they did the golf clap while Tiger tipped his cap — so proper! Well, it seems like Tiger has gotten the hint because all he does now is a tiny little fist pump, nothing like pre-Masters rounds. Spoil sports! :p – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Looks like Mr rnadler just nailed one down the middle. BTW, Tom Kite is pure class isn’t he ? Doesn’t hurt that he’s a Longhorn and a Texan. TheReal Ken
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Isnt a little excitement what golf needs, I think its great that Tiger shows some emotion. Alot of people including the media have givin him this image that no one can possably live up to, he is just a person who is happy when he succeeds, so sue him.
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rnadler writes: I don’t need to see so much celebration on the golf course. It’s like
watching the old Miami Hurricanes football team. Soon there will have to be a celebration penalty stroke in golf because of this guy’s arrogance. What is his "A" game after all. Probably an 18 on a par 72 course. Don’t get me wrong I think he is a terriffic golfer. I would appreciate his talents much more if he just tipped his cap and waved when he made a great shot. Watch Tom Kite the next time he makes a good shot and that is all you will see. He is the consumate professional. My other favorites are Freddy Couples, Davis Love, Justin Leonard, and Corey Pavin. when one buys a horse one wants one with spirit and energy and not one with just a quiet mood……. When I hired employees, I also looked for a bit of rebellion and willingness to break the rules and "do it My way" mood. If I wanted mediocre performance, there are dozens to choose from, If you want true excellence find a horse who grabs the bit in his teeth!!!!! Alan E. Hoover Anglers’ Rest Powhatan, Va *the trout teach many, lessons*