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Get off the soapbox please. You are making a fight over which most do not care, and why don’t you write a letter to Tiger and let him know that his foundation is a sham, and give him suggestions how it could be productive for society. What a waste of bandwidth
Wow, this RSG group is a tough crowd. Yep…very discerning… I mean if he didn’t do anything at all for "the people", you guys would be all over his case. He is trying to do something, and now it’s not good enough? Nope…it’s just good enough to warrant the press coverage it
solicits…(IMHO). And just to be clear…I doubt "Tiger" has any idea what goes on…beyond his bank balance. There are a WHOLE bunch of management/agency types orchestrating
everything but his 2I – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – shots. There are plenty of other golfers out there that make plenty of money (not neccessarily as much as Tiger) that don’t do anything at all. Right…they arn’t out trying to BUY an image they can merchandise…(no complaints). Actually, I shouldn’t say that, because I know there are a few golfers out there helping out their communities and such, but for the most part nothign is being done. Quite a bit IS being done, on an individual scale… ie: I think John Daly did more "kids" clinics last year (gratis) than tiger did…But he doesn’t have a phony foundation set up to advertise the fact. We should be praising Tiger for his humanitarism instead of condemning him because he contributions are such a small percentage of what he makes. Whoa now…stop there…WHO exactly was condemning him… *YOU* are making that assertion…Quote a few lines of condemnation won’t you…? THE FACTS speak for themselves, and all I’ve seen offered here were FACTS about Nike & Tiger. (see below) : But consider the "foundation" and those Kids clinics to be nothing more than PR : window dressing…Last year on a gross income of 30 million the "foundation was : funded at $300,000…and not all of THAT was provided by Tiger…their : expenditures remain veiled but at least SOME of it went to purchasing advertising : that heavily featured Woods and his "humanitarianisum." Also notable are the : names of Woods Family and friends on the foundations payroll. ]]]Z[[[
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Such an effort, tho hinted at earlier in his career, has not been forthcoming. There's quite a few Billionaires I would start singling out before I even thought about TW. Most billionaires don't begin giving until they see their own mortality. Bill Gates is probably the exception having given over $10 billion through his person and the Gates Foundation.
But Gates doesn't have a bevy of PR men running around bragging about it... I think Turner has done a lot anonymously too...And BOY...is he hot on building golf courses! ]]]Z[[[
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Such an effort, tho hinted at earlier in his career, has not been forthcoming. There's quite a few Billionaires I would start singling out before I even thought about TW. Most billionaires don't begin giving until they see their own
mortality. Bill Gates is probably the exception having given over $10 billion through his person and the Gates Foundation. But Gates doesn't have a bevy of PR men running around bragging about it... I think Turner has done a lot anonymously too...And BOY...is he hot on building golf courses! ]]]Z[[[
If people know you are giving anonymously, then you are not giving anonymously. 
You just have clever PR people. BTW, maybe Tiger Woods is giving anonymously too but his PR guys aren't smart enough to spread that rumour! Rick
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Well, lets bash Tiger for yet another reason. Do you resent the Bill Gates and Warren Buffets of the world as much, or do you just like to pile on uppity members of an ethnic minority who achieve the same level of financial success? - Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - I don't think there's any doubt that his goodwil contributions in terms of money and time will continue in the future. Time and time again, he has stated publicly that he makes it a priority to "give back", whether it be via charitable donations, kids golf clinics, etc. Tiger is definitely an excellent golfer and human being. Well...He's young... But consider the "foundation" and those Kids clinics to be nothing more than PR window dressing...Last year on a gross income of 30 million the "foundation was funded at $300,000...and not all of THAT was provided by Tiger...their expenditures remain veiled but at least SOME of it went to purchasing advertising that heavily featured Woods and his "humanitarianisum." Also notable are the names of Woods Family and friends on the foundations payroll. With the kind of money he's making he could make a pretty largish impression on american social values if he WANTED to. Such an effort, tho hinted at earlier in his career, has not been forthcoming. ]]]Z[[[
Crackin' toast, Grommit! --Wallace
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Wow, this RSG group is a tough crowd.
Yep...very discerning... I mean if he didn't do anything at all for "the people", you guys would be all over his case.
He is trying to do something, and now it's not good enough?
Nope...it's just good enough to warrant the press coverage it solicits...(IMHO). And just to be clear...I doubt "Tiger" has any idea what goes on...beyond his bank balance. There are a WHOLE bunch of management/agency types orchestrating everything but his 2I shots. There are plenty of other golfers out there that make plenty of money (not neccessarily as much as Tiger) that don't do anything at all.
Right...they arn't out trying to BUY an image they can merchandise...(no complaints). Actually, I shouldn't say that, because I know there are a few golfers out there helping out their communities and such, but for the most part nothign is being done.
Quite a bit IS being done, on an individual scale... ie: I think John Daly did more "kids" clinics last year (gratis) than tiger did...But he doesn't have a phony foundation set up to advertise the fact. We should be praising Tiger for his humanitarism instead of condemning him because he contributions are such a small percentage of what he makes.
Whoa now...stop there...WHO exactly was condemning him... *YOU* are making that assertion...Quote a few lines of condemnation won't you...? THE FACTS speak for themselves, and all I've seen offered here were FACTS about Nike & Tiger. (see below) : But consider the "foundation" and those Kids clinics to be nothing more than PR : window dressing...Last year on a gross income of 30 million the "foundation was : funded at $300,000...and not all of THAT was provided by Tiger...their : expenditures remain veiled but at least SOME of it went to purchasing advertising : that heavily featured Woods and his "humanitarianisum." Also notable are the : names of Woods Family and friends on the foundations payroll.
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Is this a joke? Bill Gates is probably one of the most criticized of all time? Quite a few years ago, Ted Turner publicly condemned him for not contributing more via charities. Gates' generosity only started very recently. : Most billionaires don't begin giving until they see their own mortality. : Bill Gates is probably the exception having given over $10 billion through : his person and the Gates Foundation.
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In rec.sport.golf With the kind of money he's making he could make a pretty largish impression on american social values if he WANTED to. Such an effort, tho hinted at earlier in his career, has not been forthcoming. There's quite a few Billionaires I would start singling out before I even thought about TW.
Most billionaires don't begin giving until they see their own mortality. Bill Gates is probably the exception having given over $10 billion through his person and the Gates Foundation.
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Actually it's: money, money, money, Muuunnnnnnny! *it's a gas*... (next line please)
Some people got to have it, Some people really need it. ???? The O'Jays
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Wow, this RSG group is a tough crowd. I mean if he didn't do anything at all for "the people", you guys would be all over his case. He is trying to do something, and now it's not good enough? There are plenty of other golfers out there that make plenty of money (not neccessarily as much as Tiger) that don't do anything at all. Those guys in the top 30 in the money list, wtf are they doing? Zilch. Actually, I shouldn't say that, because I know there are a few golfers out there helping out their communities and such, but for the most part nothign is being done. We should be praising Tiger for his humanitarism instead of condemning him because he contributions are such a small percentage of what he makes.
: But consider the "foundation" and those Kids clinics to be nothing more than PR : window dressing...Last year on a gross income of 30 million the "foundation was : funded at $300,000...and not all of THAT was provided by Tiger...their : expenditures remain veiled but at least SOME of it went to purchasing advertising : that heavily featured Woods and his "humanitarianisum." Also notable are the : names of Woods Family and friends on the foundations payroll. : With the kind of money he's making he could make a pretty largish impression on : american social values if he WANTED to. : Such an effort, tho hinted at earlier in his career, has not been forthcoming.
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With the kind of money he's making he could make a pretty largish impression on american social values if he WANTED to. Such an effort, tho hinted at earlier in his career, has not been forthcoming.
There's quite a few Billionaires I would start singling out before I even thought about TW. Rick
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Money, money, money, money. The American language. I'm curious to know if "humanitarianisum" is any relation. Daddy? - Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -Well...He's young... But consider the "foundation" and those Kids clinics to be nothing more than PR window dressing...Last year on a gross income of 30 million the "foundation was funded at $300,000...and not all of THAT was provided by Tiger...their expenditures remain veiled but at least SOME of it went to purchasing advertising that heavily featured Woods and his "humanitarianisum." Also notable are the names of Woods Family and friends on the foundations payroll. With the kind of money he's making he could make a pretty largish impression on american social values if he WANTED to. Such an effort, tho hinted at earlier in his career, has not been forthcoming.
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With the kind of money he's making he could make a pretty largish impression on american social values if he WANTED to.
Given that America is largely responsible for turning the earth into an open sewer - culturally, morally and physically - i think that task is beyond a 24 year old kid who loves golf.
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Money, money, money, money.
Actually it's: money, money, money, Muuunnnnnnny! *it's a gas*... (next line please) The American language. I'm curious to know if "humanitarianisum" is any relation. Daddy?
Big words cost more... Well...He's young... But consider the "foundation" and those Kids clinics to be nothing more than PR window dressing...Last year on a gross income of 30 million the "foundation was funded at $300,000...and not all of THAT was provided by Tiger...their expenditures remain veiled but at least SOME of it went to purchasing advertising that heavily featured Woods and his "humanitarianisum." Also notable are the names of Woods Family and friends on the foundations payroll. With the kind of money he's making he could make a pretty largish impression on american social values if he WANTED to. Such an effort, tho hinted at earlier in his career, has not been forthcoming.
Knowing the sort of scheduling pressure agents and managers exert on "personalities" at Tigers level, I'm amazed he can still play the game at all...Maybe getting away from them and onto the course is such a relief it's providing the motivation that has been carrying him... ]]]Z[[[
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Yup, Ken warned us all they'd regret that last contract that had him so incensed. Guess he was right - they nearly doubled it!
- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - Yeah, that Tiger Woods endorsement deal went so sour for Nike that they're ponying up another hundred mil... Check it out: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/golf/news/2000/09/14/tiger_nike_ap/ -- Randy Golf help for newbies: http://wwwgolfer.home.mindspring.com My RSG Roll Call profile: http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/brownr.htm RSG FAQ: http://ttsoft.com/thor/rsggolf.html Voiceovers/Narration/Production Services: www.randybrownproductions.com
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I mean, there aren't many weekend pole vaulters out there -- though if there were, it might be fun to watch.
Hmmmm....YEAH! How about a R&B vs Ken grudge match...? ]]]Z[[[
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I don't think there's any doubt that his goodwil contributions in terms of money and time will continue in the future. Time and time again, he has stated publicly that he makes it a priority to "give back", whether it be via charitable donations, kids golf clinics, etc. Tiger is definitely an excellent golfer and human being.
Well...He's young... But consider the "foundation" and those Kids clinics to be nothing more than PR window dressing...Last year on a gross income of 30 million the "foundation was funded at $300,000...and not all of THAT was provided by Tiger...their expenditures remain veiled but at least SOME of it went to purchasing advertising that heavily featured Woods and his "humanitarianisum." Also notable are the names of Woods Family and friends on the foundations payroll. With the kind of money he's making he could make a pretty largish impression on american social values if he WANTED to. Such an effort, tho hinted at earlier in his career, has not been forthcoming. ]]]Z[[[
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I don't think there's any doubt that his goodwil contributions in terms of money and time will continue in the future. Time and time again, he has stated publicly that he makes it a priority to "give back", whether it be via charitable donations, kids golf clinics, etc. Tiger is definitely an excellent golfer and human being. Bruce D. Woods
: Tiger is a cinch to be sport's first billionaire - before age 30 probably. : I hope he continues to exercise good usage [his charitable foundation...] of : all that wealth. Anyway, he’s fun to watch. Question: If he’s playing : "golf" what game am I playing?
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Tiger is a cinch to be sport’s first billionaire – before age 30 probably. I hope he continues to exercise good usage [his charitable foundation...] of all that wealth. Anyway, he’s fun to watch. Question: If he’s playing "golf" what game am I playing?
I think that’s a fair question for other pro golfers to ask. For us mere mortals, however, why do we wonder? When we watch the Olympics, we can only be in awe of the superior abilities we witness. I guess because we actually try our hand at the same game, and can’t help comparing ourselves to the best. I mean, there aren’t many weekend pole vaulters out there — though if there were, it might be fun to watch. Before you buy.
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Somehow I can see Tiger turning in his Titleist Protypes for Nike Prototypes. My guess is we’re going to be seeing Nike golf clubs very soon. That $100 Mil has got to come from somewhere.
Heck, Nike could probably make $100M off sales to RSG Tiger fans alone…. ; ) Stuart Winsor
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Didn’t the original line of Tiger clothes by Nike go bust?
Zamuel Wrote Tigers value thus far has been more oriented towards rehabilitating the Nike name in the eyes of the public after it was BADLY smeared by the amnysty international types
I don’t know all the details…Was there actually a TIGER WOODS set of clothing…? I’ve never seen any of that…There’s quite a few Nike logo shirts out there…But being "just another" clothing/shoe supplier is not what Nike is aiming for…they want to be the next WILSON or SPALDING…be on the lookout for Nike Ping Pong balls…They can’t achieve that while carrying around a tainted name. ]]]Z[[[
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Tiger is a cinch to be sport's first billionaire - before age 30 probably. I hope he continues to exercise good usage [his charitable foundation...] of all that wealth. Anyway, he’s fun to watch. Question: If he’s playing "golf" what game am I playing?
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yeah, that Tiger Woods endorsement deal went so sour for Nike that they’re ponying up another hundred mil… Check it out: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/golf/news/2000/09/14/tiger_nike_ap/
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Didn’t the original line of Tiger clothes by Nike go bust? — Ball Marks: Fix yours and one more
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Nike also is considering a move toward golf clubs. "If Nike Golf comes out with equipment, we definitely will be looking at one person," he said. Yes….and I hear next season the REST of the PGA tour will be playing from the RED tees… (g) Somehow I can see Tiger turning in his Titleist Protypes for Nike Prototypes. My guess is we’re going to be seeing Nike golf clubs very soon. That $100 Mil has got to come from somewhere. It’s not (yet anyway) coming from "tiger" generated sales… And that 100 Mill figure IS based on projected royaltys from SALES…not a cash payment. Tigers value thus far has been more oriented towards rehabilitating the Nike name in the eyes of the public after it was BADLY smeared by the amnysty international types…That "wrong ball" lawsuit was just the opening shot in what I expect will be another "nasty reality" campaign focused on nike’s 3rd world exploitations… Nike seems to feel that America will accept them as "Nasty but Nice" as long as they have Tiger in their corner. We shall see. ]]]Z[[[
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Nike also is considering a move toward golf clubs. "If Nike Golf comes out with equipment, we definitely will be looking at one person," he said.
Yes....and I hear next season the REST of the PGA tour will be playing from the RED tees... (g) Somehow I can see Tiger turning in his Titleist Protypes for Nike Prototypes. My guess is we're going to be seeing Nike golf clubs very soon. That $100 Mil has got to come from somewhere.
It's not (yet anyway) coming from "tiger" generated sales... And that 100 Mill figure IS based on projected royaltys from SALES...not a cash payment. Tigers value thus far has been more oriented towards rehabilitating the Nike name in the eyes of the public after it was BADLY smeared by the amnysty international types...That "wrong ball" lawsuit was just the opening shot in what I expect will be another "nasty reality" campaign focused on nike's 3rd world exploitations... Nike seems to feel that America will accept them as "Nasty but Nice" as long as they have Tiger in their corner. We shall see. ]]]Z[[[
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Yeah, that Tiger Woods endorsement deal went so sour for Nike that they’re ponying up another hundred mil… Check it out: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/golf/news/2000/09/14/tiger_nike_ap/ — Randy Golf help for newbies: http://wwwgolfer.home.mindspring.com My RSG Roll Call profile: http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/brownr.htm RSG FAQ: http://ttsoft.com/thor/rsggolf.html Voiceovers/Narration/Production Services: www.randybrownproductions.com
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From the article Randy references: The switch to the Nike ball did not have a major impact on contract negotiations, Wood said. Nike also is considering a move toward golf clubs. "If Nike Golf comes out with equipment, we definitely will be looking at one person," he said. Somehow I can see Tiger turning in his Titleist Protypes for Nike Prototypes. My guess is we’re going to be seeing Nike golf clubs very soon. That $100 Mil has got to come from somewhere. Kenny says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Yeah, that Tiger Woods endorsement deal went so sour for Nike that they’re ponying up another hundred mil… Check it out: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/golf/news/2000/09/14/tiger_nike_ap/ — Randy Golf help for newbies: http://wwwgolfer.home.mindspring.com My RSG Roll Call profile: http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/brownr.htm RSG FAQ: http://ttsoft.com/thor/rsggolf.html Voiceovers/Narration/Production Services: www.randybrownproductions.com
Kenny Stultz RSG Roll Call: http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/stultzk.htm