- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Wesley wrote: > According to the endocrinologist (who has been really nice through > this ordeal), my T4 is spot on, so he’s happy with the dose of > Synthroid. The Cortef may be a bit high, however. I’m to have an AM > cortisol drawn tomorrow morning, so we’ll see. If the Cortef dose is > just right, then I should not have any side effects from it, such as > swelling and increased appetite. I have both right now, big time. I > hope he cuts it in half, but I don’t think he will, not all at one > time anyway. That would make the transplant docs happy. > Speaking of which, I finally heard from my transplant coordinator. > She was not happy that no one from the transplant team saw me while I > was in hospital. They make me drive the 25 miles to that hospital > specifically so that they can have some kind of control! Duh! She > emailed everyone on the team twice. The nephrologist is still AWOL as > well. She is going to email him again too.
Hi Wes, it seems to be called "hydrocortisone sodium succinate " so it’s got salt in it? It does rather sound like you may be getting a bit too high a dose, but I don’t know. You almost need a hotline (their pager numbers) to these doctors for when something comes up so you can bug them on their golf courses <wink> to meet you in hospital. Keep in touch and let us know how you’re doing Big hugs J
Wes is sort of on the opposite coast. LOL But that’s Ok I was thinking you were in Maine – don’t ask me how I got Maine out of Calif. Bev "Kristin" <aeroch…@earthlinkremovethispart.net> wrote in message
news:P_0ac.7216$lt2.5387@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> johnjohnston2…@msn.com (Wesley) wrote in > news:112adbed.0403261803.75df343b@posting.google.com: > > To the emergency room, I mean, and then admitted and worked up for a > > possible stroke. CT scan and MRI were negative. They also did an > > echocargiogram with a bubble test, which was negative as well. > > Symptoms were excessive PVCs and numbness and tingling on my right > > side, especially my face. Right now, they have attributed the > > symptoms to too high a dose of Synthroid and Cortef. I think perhaps > > they are right. I am home, but still extremely uncomfortable. > Hi there, > I totally understand the PVC’s. I get them ALL the time, and other > arrythmias, too. Sometimes I get bigiminy, sometimes tri. A few times I > actually get 5 PVC’s then one good beat… that lasted about 20 minutes the > last time, and I greyed out. Yuck. I sure do hope that yours is medicine > related- it’s not fun to live with this day by day. > I know that I get more of them just before I get sick or before I start a > flare- keep your eyes open for signs of either of these, then you can gauge > the severity of the upcoming illness. Works about 80% of the time for me. > Good luck, and if you’re in the Encino, CA area, I have the name of a great > cardiologist and electrophysiologist/surgeon. > -Kristin
I have tried to post this twice, but I don’t see it, so I will try again. I was told yesterday that my AM cortisol level from the day before was 0.8. That is pretty low. Normal is from 6 to 23. Perhaps this is root of my problems. My nephrologist is chalking all this up to panic attacks. I guess that could be, but I would think that the numbness and tingling would be on both cheeks, arms, and legs, not just the right side. Who knows? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -johnjohnston2…@msn.com (Wesley) wrote in message <news:112adbed.0403261803.75df343b@posting.google.com>… > To the emergency room, I mean, and then admitted and worked up for a > possible stroke. CT scan and MRI were negative. They also did an > echocargiogram with a bubble test, which was negative as well. > Symptoms were excessive PVCs and numbness and tingling on my right > side, especially my face. Right now, they have attributed the > symptoms to too high a dose of Synthroid and Cortef. I think perhaps > they are right. I am home, but still extremely uncomfortable.
Wesley wrote: > I have tried to post this twice, but I don’t see it, so I will try > again. I was told yesterday that my AM cortisol level from the day > before was 0.8. That is pretty low. Normal is from 6 to 23. > Perhaps this is root of my problems. > My nephrologist is chalking all this up to panic attacks. I guess > that could be, but I would think that the numbness and tingling would > be on both cheeks, arms, and legs, not just the right side. Who > knows?
Hi Wes, apparently stress can affect the cortisol levels. I don’t know if it can make it that low (or not). http://www.ich.ucl.ac.uk/factsheets/test_procedure_operations/cortiso… http://www.merck.com/mrkshared/mmanual/section2/chapter9/9b.jsp Recognition of patients with Addison’s disease is not difficult. However, a significant number of patients with "limited adrenocortical reserve" who appear healthy experience acute adrenocortical insufficiency when under stress. Shock and fever may be the only signs observed. No idea if thes help you or not. (note to me: Google search on "cortisol deficiency" Hugs J
P&E Wes, I’m worried about you! Are you feeling any better? Did you find the doc? What about stress? I think the stress of moving alone would cause some of these symptoms. You’ve got so much to do, they won’t let you do it, you want to do it, you know you can’t, then you feel really guilty because if you were healthy you would be doing it, etc. That equals STRESS!!!!!!!!!!!!! ((((((((((((HUG)))))))))))))) Bev "Wesley" <johnjohnston2…@msn.com> wrote in message
news:112adbed.0403311928.377da3a7@posting.google.com… > johnjohnston2…@msn.com (Wesley) wrote in message
<news:112adbed.0403261803.75df343b@posting.google.com>… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > To the emergency room, I mean, and then admitted and worked up for a > > possible stroke. CT scan and MRI were negative. They also did an > > echocargiogram with a bubble test, which was negative as well. > > Symptoms were excessive PVCs and numbness and tingling on my right > > side, especially my face. Right now, they have attributed the > > symptoms to too high a dose of Synthroid and Cortef. I think perhaps > > they are right. I am home, but still extremely uncomfortable. > The nephrologist finally called back, and he doubled the Procardia XL. > I now take 30 mg twice a day. Hopefully, my BP will fall into a > low-normal range. He gave me some story about President Roosevelt, > and how it took 30 years of much higher BP than mine to cause a > stroke. It didn’t help. He said that it was more likely a clot that > caused it, if I truly had one. I hope I have not, but as I sit here, > I know something is amiss. I’m calling my PCP tomorrow to see if I > can track down the neurologist whom I saw in the ER last Thursday. I > would really like a follow-up MRI if I can get one. If it is > negative, I’ll feel better.
johnjohnston2…@msn.com (Wesley) wrote in message <news:112adbed.0403261803.75df343b@posting.google.com>… > To the emergency room, I mean, and then admitted and worked up for a > possible stroke. CT scan and MRI were negative. They also did an > echocargiogram with a bubble test, which was negative as well. > Symptoms were excessive PVCs and numbness and tingling on my right > side, especially my face. Right now, they have attributed the > symptoms to too high a dose of Synthroid and Cortef. I think perhaps > they are right. I am home, but still extremely uncomfortable.
The nephrologist finally called back, and he doubled the Procardia XL. I now take 30 mg twice a day. Hopefully, my BP will fall into a low-normal range. He gave me some story about President Roosevelt, and how it took 30 years of much higher BP than mine to cause a stroke. It didn’t help. He said that it was more likely a clot that caused it, if I truly had one. I hope I have not, but as I sit here, I know something is amiss. I’m calling my PCP tomorrow to see if I can track down the neurologist whom I saw in the ER last Thursday. I would really like a follow-up MRI if I can get one. If it is negative, I’ll feel better.
johnjohnston2…@msn.com (Wesley) wrote in news:112adbed.0403261803.75df343b@posting.google.com: > To the emergency room, I mean, and then admitted and worked up for a > possible stroke. CT scan and MRI were negative. They also did an > echocargiogram with a bubble test, which was negative as well. > Symptoms were excessive PVCs and numbness and tingling on my right > side, especially my face. Right now, they have attributed the > symptoms to too high a dose of Synthroid and Cortef. I think perhaps > they are right. I am home, but still extremely uncomfortable.
Hi there, I totally understand the PVC’s. I get them ALL the time, and other arrythmias, too. Sometimes I get bigiminy, sometimes tri. A few times I actually get 5 PVC’s then one good beat… that lasted about 20 minutes the last time, and I greyed out. Yuck. I sure do hope that yours is medicine related- it’s not fun to live with this day by day. I know that I get more of them just before I get sick or before I start a flare- keep your eyes open for signs of either of these, then you can gauge the severity of the upcoming illness. Works about 80% of the time for me. Good luck, and if you’re in the Encino, CA area, I have the name of a great cardiologist and electrophysiologist/surgeon. -Kristin
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -J <WinneB…@nul.nul> wrote in message <news:4067FA2D.A4051FDB@execulink.com>… > Wesley wrote: > , so I might as well be home. > Hi Wes, > My head just swims when you explain. It’s not you, it’s the complexity of the situation that is difficult for me to > grasp. > I know what you mean about those interns, they are enough to drive a person right out of the hospital <g> > I suppose they could have had you on a heart monitor if you’d stayed? > There may also be portable monitors – I forget what they’re called. > I’m sure it’s possible to lower one or the other (thyroid or Cortef). > The question would be which (or both) ? Perhaps the bloodwork would tell him which? > Unless you are in immediate risk, I would think he would only make a small change, then monitor ? > I sure hope you can reach the nephrologist and you feel some better soon. > Hugs > J
According to the endocrinologist (who has been really nice through this ordeal), my T4 is spot on, so he’s happy with the dose of Synthroid. The Cortef may be a bit high, however. I’m to have an AM cortisol drawn tomorrow morning, so we’ll see. If the Cortef dose is just right, then I should not have any side effects from it, such as swelling and increased appetite. I have both right now, big time. I hope he cuts it in half, but I don’t think he will, not all at one time anyway. That would make the transplant docs happy. Speaking of which, I finally heard from my transplant coordinator. She was not happy that no one from the transplant team saw me while I was in hospital. They make me drive the 25 miles to that hospital specifically so that they can have some kind of control! Duh! She emailed everyone on the team twice. The nephrologist is still AWOL as well. She is going to email him again too.
Hi Wes, I am sorry to hear that you have yet another problem. Take care of yourself. I hope answers are coming for you. BJ-Sk. Canada "Wesley" <johnjohnston2…@msn.com> wrote in message
news:112adbed.0403261803.75df343b@posting.google.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> To the emergency room, I mean, and then admitted and worked up for a > possible stroke. CT scan and MRI were negative. They also did an > echocargiogram with a bubble test, which was negative as well. > Symptoms were excessive PVCs and numbness and tingling on my right > side, especially my face. Right now, they have attributed the > symptoms to too high a dose of Synthroid and Cortef. I think perhaps > they are right. I am home, but still extremely uncomfortable.
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Wesley wrote: > J, my friend, you can’t scare me any more than I already am. Just the > opposite. Information is power and ammunition, and you are supplying > me with both. I am going to print all these things out. I think I > have said before on this group that the endocrinologists in this town > aren’t worth the powder it would take to blow them up. They know one > thing and one thing only…diabetes. Everything else is up for grabs. > I am a management nightmare, because they must also include renal > failure, hyperparathyroidism, and adrenal insufficiency. Therefore, > it is crucial that my nephrologist has a hand in every decision. He > is not happy with me being on so much Cortef, nor is he happy with the > increase in Synthroid. The problem is that he is not the easiest guy > to get hold of. I know he was on the phone with the docs on the > floor, but I never saw him. I’m going to try to get hold of him > tomorrow by phone, but I really need to see him at his office. > And there is another problem. Every five minutes a different intern > was coming through the door telling me something completely different. > It was making me crazy. One minute I was being discharged, the next > minute I was going for an X-ray, and the next minute something else. > I was so glad to get out of there, but I really should have been kept > for a few more days. However, they really don’t do anything over the > weekend, so I might as well be home.
Hi Wes, My head just swims when you explain. It’s not you, it’s the complexity of the situation that is difficult for me to grasp. I know what you mean about those interns, they are enough to drive a person right out of the hospital <g> I suppose they could have had you on a heart monitor if you’d stayed? There may also be portable monitors – I forget what they’re called. I’m sure it’s possible to lower one or the other (thyroid or Cortef). The question would be which (or both) ? Perhaps the bloodwork would tell him which? Unless you are in immediate risk, I would think he would only make a small change, then monitor ? I sure hope you can reach the nephrologist and you feel some better soon. Hugs J
Wesley wrote: > J <Wal…@example.com> wrote in message <news:4066C4D7.B0EAA704@execulink.com>… > > The thyroid canada web site above does not mention "lack of patient compliance" (in > > taking thyroid meds OR "mismanagment by doctors" – not monitoring/adjusting meds or > > understanding that one medication might affect the other condition. For example, I > > can’t remember what thyroid problem you have. Thyroiditis is inflammation, so if you > > take cortef (or a steroid for inflammation), that might suppress your thyroid > > function whereas taking your medication does that too. So then the thyroid (IMO) is > > too hypothyroid so they have plan, monitor and adjust the meds for that. > > Similarly, if a person is taking too strong a thyroid med, they can have symptoms of > > hyperthyroidism, which certainly speeds up the heart.
Hi Wes, I may have somehow messed the above up or forgot to say if a person’s thyroid med dose is too low, then a person can be too hypothyroid which also is a risk for heart. But again, the bloodwork should show that. So don’t quote me on any of the above. Cause I’d have to reread those urls then write up a thesis <g> Hugs J
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -J <Wal…@example.com> wrote in message <news:4066C4D7.B0EAA704@execulink.com>… > Wes, > 26 years ago, when I had contrast to check my kidneys, I had the same thing happen > with my right arm. > It scared me. At the same time, I was in hospital getting diagnosed for thyroid > problems. (so my thyroid levels were whacky at the time). I’ve since read on another > newsgroup that there might be two types of contrast dyes, one has iodine. I don’t > know which you or I had – two are mentioned there. > <http://www.clevelandclinic.org/heartcenter/pub/history/future/mri.asp…> > It says there to look for damage to the heart muscle. I know people can have mild > heart attacks without having the damage show up on tests. It’s a question of degrees > and the number of times that it happens. > My Dad had a mild heart attack after the doctor increased his thyroid med. He was > okay after that. His heart remained strong but they sure kept an eye on his thyroid > levels because he got mad at them. But he wasn’t complicated like you are. > I don’t know which (all) tests rule in or out various heart problems but I do know > that thyroid and heart problems are possible..AND cortef and heart problems > http://www.thyroid.ca/Articles/EngE6A.html (thyroid and heart) > http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/levothy_wcp.htm Synthroid > http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/levothy_od.htm Synthroid Overdose > http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/medicines/showpreparation.asp?id=2430 Cortef (and heart). > So I wonder what planet your endocrinologist is from OR if he was trying to cover > their collective butts. > The thyroid canada web site above does not mention "lack of patient compliance" (in > taking thyroid meds OR "mismanagment by doctors" – not monitoring/adjusting meds or > understanding that one medication might affect the other condition. For example, I > can’t remember what thyroid problem you have. Thyroiditis is inflammation, so if you > take cortef (or a steroid for inflammation), that might suppress your thyroid > function whereas taking your medication does that too. So then the thyroid (IMO) is > too hypothyroid so they have plan, monitor and adjust the meds for that. > Similarly, if a person is taking too strong a thyroid med, they can have symptoms of > hyperthyroidism, which certainly speeds up the heart. > Feb 02 you said they checked your thyroid and a recheck was scheduled for 3 weeks > later and now you have another bloodwork (at ER). Can you not get the results of all > 3 and see what the results say? If they’ve not been monitoring and prescribing > properly, then you can give them "what for" for that. > I don’t want to scare you, but I’d like to see this type of thing stopped before > permanent damage occurs. > (on the other hand, since you’ve mentioned adrenal and pituitary, maybe you are a > "management nightmare" – there I go waffling again, because I’m not a doctor). > Hugs > J
J, my friend, you can’t scare me any more than I already am. Just the opposite. Information is power and ammunition, and you are supplying me with both. I am going to print all these things out. I think I have said before on this group that the endocrinologists in this town aren’t worth the powder it would take to blow them up. They know one thing and one thing only…diabetes. Everything else is up for grabs. I am a management nightmare, because they must also include renal failure, hyperparathyroidism, and adrenal insufficiency. Therefore, it is crucial that my nephrologist has a hand in every decision. He is not happy with me being on so much Cortef, nor is he happy with the increase in Synthroid. The problem is that he is not the easiest guy to get hold of. I know he was on the phone with the docs on the floor, but I never saw him. I’m going to try to get hold of him tomorrow by phone, but I really need to see him at his office. And there is another problem. Every five minutes a different intern was coming through the door telling me something completely different. It was making me crazy. One minute I was being discharged, the next minute I was going for an X-ray, and the next minute something else. I was so glad to get out of there, but I really should have been kept for a few more days. However, they really don’t do anything over the weekend, so I might as well be home.
I hope you are feeling better by now! Bin
Saying prayers for you….. RhondaM "Wesley" <johnjohnston2…@msn.com> wrote in message
news:112adbed.0403261803.75df343b@posting.google.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> To the emergency room, I mean, and then admitted and worked up for a > possible stroke. CT scan and MRI were negative. They also did an > echocargiogram with a bubble test, which was negative as well. > Symptoms were excessive PVCs and numbness and tingling on my right > side, especially my face. Right now, they have attributed the > symptoms to too high a dose of Synthroid and Cortef. I think perhaps > they are right. I am home, but still extremely uncomfortable.
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Wesley wrote: > J <Wal…@example.com> wrote in message <news:40655EEE.C689CDD5@execulink.com>… > > Wesley wrote: > > > To the emergency room, I mean, and then admitted and worked up for a > > > possible stroke. CT scan and MRI were negative. They also did an > > > echocargiogram with a bubble test, which was negative as well. > > > Symptoms were excessive PVCs and numbness and tingling on my right > > > side, especially my face. Right now, they have attributed the > > > symptoms to too high a dose of Synthroid and Cortef. I think perhaps > > > they are right. I am home, but still extremely uncomfortable. > > I don’t know what this all means Wes, but do hope you feel better soon. > > Hugs > > J > I don’t know, J, but I’m still scared to death that I’m going to have > a stroke. My endocrinologist called this morning to say that it can’t > possibly be from the dose of cortef or synthroid. There has to be > another cause. When I was having the MRI, and they were injecting the > contrast, the outside of my right upper arm felt as though it was on > fire. This is so strange. I just don’t need this right now!
Wes, 26 years ago, when I had contrast to check my kidneys, I had the same thing happen with my right arm. It scared me. At the same time, I was in hospital getting diagnosed for thyroid problems. (so my thyroid levels were whacky at the time). I’ve since read on another newsgroup that there might be two types of contrast dyes, one has iodine. I don’t know which you or I had – two are mentioned there. <http://www.clevelandclinic.org/heartcenter/pub/history/future/mri.asp…> It says there to look for damage to the heart muscle. I know people can have mild heart attacks without having the damage show up on tests. It’s a question of degrees and the number of times that it happens. My Dad had a mild heart attack after the doctor increased his thyroid med. He was okay after that. His heart remained strong but they sure kept an eye on his thyroid levels because he got mad at them. But he wasn’t complicated like you are. I don’t know which (all) tests rule in or out various heart problems but I do know that thyroid and heart problems are possible..AND cortef and heart problems http://www.thyroid.ca/Articles/EngE6A.html (thyroid and heart) http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/levothy_wcp.htm Synthroid http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/levothy_od.htm Synthroid Overdose http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/medicines/showpreparation.asp?id=2430 Cortef (and heart). So I wonder what planet your endocrinologist is from OR if he was trying to cover their collective butts. The thyroid canada web site above does not mention "lack of patient compliance" (in taking thyroid meds OR "mismanagment by doctors" – not monitoring/adjusting meds or understanding that one medication might affect the other condition. For example, I can’t remember what thyroid problem you have. Thyroiditis is inflammation, so if you take cortef (or a steroid for inflammation), that might suppress your thyroid function whereas taking your medication does that too. So then the thyroid (IMO) is too hypothyroid so they have plan, monitor and adjust the meds for that. Similarly, if a person is taking too strong a thyroid med, they can have symptoms of hyperthyroidism, which certainly speeds up the heart. Feb 02 you said they checked your thyroid and a recheck was scheduled for 3 weeks later and now you have another bloodwork (at ER). Can you not get the results of all 3 and see what the results say? If they’ve not been monitoring and prescribing properly, then you can give them "what for" for that. I don’t want to scare you, but I’d like to see this type of thing stopped before permanent damage occurs. (on the other hand, since you’ve mentioned adrenal and pituitary, maybe you are a "management nightmare" – there I go waffling again, because I’m not a doctor). Hugs J
What are they going to do about the PVC’s? I hope you can find some comfort this weekend… Sending you comfy thoughts and hoping you can get some relief RhondaM "Wesley" <johnjohnston2…@msn.com> wrote in message
news:112adbed.0403261803.75df343b@posting.google.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> To the emergency room, I mean, and then admitted and worked up for a > possible stroke. CT scan and MRI were negative. They also did an > echocargiogram with a bubble test, which was negative as well. > Symptoms were excessive PVCs and numbness and tingling on my right > side, especially my face. Right now, they have attributed the > symptoms to too high a dose of Synthroid and Cortef. I think perhaps > they are right. I am home, but still extremely uncomfortable.
That’s scary!!!!!!!! Please take care. ((((((((((((((HUGS)))))))))))))) Bev "Wesley" <johnjohnston2…@msn.com> wrote in message
news:112adbed.0403261803.75df343b@posting.google.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> To the emergency room, I mean, and then admitted and worked up for a > possible stroke. CT scan and MRI were negative. They also did an > echocargiogram with a bubble test, which was negative as well. > Symptoms were excessive PVCs and numbness and tingling on my right > side, especially my face. Right now, they have attributed the > symptoms to too high a dose of Synthroid and Cortef. I think perhaps > they are right. I am home, but still extremely uncomfortable.
Aieeee. Hang in there, Wes! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Wesley wrote: > To the emergency room, I mean, and then admitted and worked up for a > possible stroke. CT scan and MRI were negative. They also did an > echocargiogram with a bubble test, which was negative as well. > Symptoms were excessive PVCs and numbness and tingling on my right > side, especially my face. Right now, they have attributed the > symptoms to too high a dose of Synthroid and Cortef. I think perhaps > they are right. I am home, but still extremely uncomfortable.
Wes, What are we going to do with you? Take care. I hope it was just the meds and that they got you straightend out… Hugs Cindy
Wesley wrote: > To the emergency room, I mean, and then admitted and worked up for a > possible stroke. CT scan and MRI were negative. They also did an > echocargiogram with a bubble test, which was negative as well. > Symptoms were excessive PVCs and numbness and tingling on my right > side, especially my face. Right now, they have attributed the > symptoms to too high a dose of Synthroid and Cortef. I think perhaps > they are right. I am home, but still extremely uncomfortable.
I don’t know what this all means Wes, but do hope you feel better soon. Hugs J
J <Wal…@example.com> wrote in message <news:40655EEE.C689CDD5@execulink.com>… > Wesley wrote: > > To the emergency room, I mean, and then admitted and worked up for a > > possible stroke. CT scan and MRI were negative. They also did an > > echocargiogram with a bubble test, which was negative as well. > > Symptoms were excessive PVCs and numbness and tingling on my right > > side, especially my face. Right now, they have attributed the > > symptoms to too high a dose of Synthroid and Cortef. I think perhaps > > they are right. I am home, but still extremely uncomfortable. > I don’t know what this all means Wes, but do hope you feel better soon. > Hugs > J
I don’t know, J, but I’m still scared to death that I’m going to have a stroke. My endocrinologist called this morning to say that it can’t possibly be from the dose of cortef or synthroid. There has to be another cause. When I was having the MRI, and they were injecting the contrast, the outside of my right upper arm felt as though it was on fire. This is so strange. I just don’t need this right now!
To the emergency room, I mean, and then admitted and worked up for a possible stroke. CT scan and MRI were negative. They also did an echocargiogram with a bubble test, which was negative as well. Symptoms were excessive PVCs and numbness and tingling on my right side, especially my face. Right now, they have attributed the symptoms to too high a dose of Synthroid and Cortef. I think perhaps they are right. I am home, but still extremely uncomfortable.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – On the other hand, if this move is a dream of yours, I think dreams should always be pursued if possible. Every body has to have their dreams. Not just a dream, it’s so much more. I feel very spiritual when I’m "one with nature" so to speak. Like most important things in life you have to figure out what you’re going to do based on your own judgement. There is no "expert" out there that can make that decision for you. Shit! I was hoping to find the answer!
Tono, I think you have the answer. Don’t discount the benefits of living in a spiritually soothing environment. At the risk of sounding totally New Age (I am not at all), the place where I live is a very spiritual place, with good energy. The energy of a place is important, and if you are in tune with that, then it is a good thing. When I lived in Colorado, the energy was very negative. I got very sick and afraid there, and knew a lot of people who were also sick, with strange things. Well, they did say that the valley I lived in, the St. Vrain, was cursed long ago by an Indian chief. Who knows why it felt so bad, but it did. Austin, Texas felt very bad to me too. As did Southern California. San Francisco was very good. If it weren’t so expensive, I’d still be there now (in the actual city, where I lived). I’m sure this all sounds very weird, but it’s how I really feel. The energy here is so positive that even my husband’s stressful family can’t ruin it for me (that’s saying a lot). I will never ever leave if I can help it. Dawn — The charter is available at:
I live in a city (Dublin) but in the centre, where I work, is a large park. The perimeter is about 8 miles so it’s a perfect lunchtime workout. The perimeter is all trail. — Colm
: Do most of you live in rural areas? If not, where are you finding all these : grass trails to run on? I live in suburbia, as many do, and grass is hard to : come by unless you run across people’s lawns, which has its own risks (or so : I hear…).
Do most of you live in rural areas? If not, where are you finding all these grass trails to run on?
I don’t generally pursue this type of running myaelf, but I see folks every day who do. At nearly every HS or JHS track, the interior is a soccer/football field of grass. Running the perimeter is one common workout. It is also common to run the perimeter of a baseball field. I have myself run on golf courses, which are also common sites for cross-country events. Also, our city streets have center divider strips that are grassed in, and I see numerous runners on the dividers. This seems a little unsafe to me, due to sprinklers and sprinkler holes, the on-again, off-again curb drops and rises, and your constant running perpendicular to traffic at intersections, but this method seems to have some devoted adherents. I think, once you learn your route, these hazards are somewhat minimized.
It seems to me I heard somewhere that AW wrote in article – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Most of the books and magazine articles I’ve read say that running on concrete is a no no. Training for my first marathon and have been running on grass and over fields now for a while. It has stopped the shin splints and I’m up to ten miles for my long run, (taking it slowly). When should I start running on roads? Surely not on marathon day!! Running on grass & trails is great for strengthening some of the smaller muscle groups in your lower legs & ankles. But road running is not as "harsh" as many claim. I find it easier to run on concrete & asphalt simply because I can "hear" my foot-falls. When you can hear your foot-falls, you can adjust easily the hardness of your landing until you’re running quiet and soft. On grass, all of my footfalls are quiet regardless of actual impact. On dirt and crushed gravel, my foot-falls are the same volume no matter how hard or soft of an impact I make. Thus when I get tired, I don’t have that auditory cue that tells me I’m pounding the ground.
A big me too. I’ve run for about 25 years, 27 marathons, and probably 90% has been on either concrete or asphalt. I’ve always thought that between the cushioning in shoes and the natural flex structure of legs and feet the hardness of the running surface is an insignificant factor. The surface is also more likely to be even, reducing the possibility of trips and falls. IMO trails and grass have one advantage–they flex the muscles differently from the hard flat surfaces, thus adding a touch of cross-stressing and all-around strengthening. I’ve had only three problems in those years. I had plantar fasciitis with an incipient spur, but my podiatrist (whose brother was also a podiatrist and an ultra runner) said it was not related to running. Later, I had what was apparently adhesions in a thigh muscle–a fall while hiking broke them loose, they healed within days, and have never come back. And, finally, I’m developing arthritis in the spine, one hip, and one knee. The knee problem showed up one day after doing some plumbing repairs, not while I was running, though I needed time off to recover from it. Neither the spine nor the hip have interfered with running or with golf, where I walk. I’ve begun running again, building my mileage, and the knee continues to feel better. — Don
Do most of you live in rural areas? If not, where are you finding all these grass trails to run on? I live in suburbia, as many do, and grass is hard to come by unless you run across people’s lawns, which has its own risks (or so I hear…).
There was a thread a while back around running in cemeteries… Most urban areas have those. Golf courses are another avenue if you’re fast enough to dodge the errant balls. BTW, all urban all the time this side of the world. —
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both laura’s children were born in feb.? let me guess .. her husband’s birthday is in june .. hehe "Gaylan" <gay…@eastlink.ca> wrote in message
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Yep! Me, Gary Stone ( Mean Old Gary Gimp) February 14 th. MOGG Mean Old Gary Gimp "Gaylan" <gay…@eastlink.ca> wrote in message
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Well I just wanted to add, that this b-day is significant because I’ll be 40 years young! Peace & Blessings to you All, Toddy
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awesome!!! i was also born in 64!!!! good year!! bobD
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news:IuQVb.454705$ts4.50250@pd7tw3no… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "toddy" <tod…@aol.com> wrote in message > news:49a08ba7.0402082341.555a6dbd@posting.google.com… > > "Gary Stone" <sto…@cenel.net> wrote in message > <news:ANmdnVhme-ex97vdRVn-hA@centurytel.net>… > > > Yep! Me, Gary Stone ( Mean Old Gary Gimp) February 14 th. > > > MOGG > > > Mean Old Gary Gimp > > > "Gaylan" <gay…@eastlink.ca> wrote in message > > > news:KuTUb.15745$Ja2.104993@nnrp1.uunet.ca… > > > > Happy Birthday > > > > Feb. 03 Janet > > > > Feb. 07 Hadji > > > > Feb. 11 Sally, daughter of Barbara Edmiston > > > > Feb. 13 Laura’s daughter, Bailey > > > > Feb. 14 Mary O’Neill > > > > Feb. 15 Chris Fincham > > > > Feb. 17 Jesse, Kami’s husband > > > > Feb. 18 Susan > > > > Feb. 19 Thomas Murphy Green, PamY’s grandson (Jennie) > > > > Feb. 21 Laura’s son, Jake > > > > Feb. 24 Charles Wagner (CW) > > > > Feb. 25 Gloria Benoit > > > > Feb. 25 Toddy > > > > Feb. 25 Sylvia > > > > Feb. 27 Rhonda’s Mum Betty > > > > Feb. 28 Lynn > > > > Feb. 28 Cyd > > > > Are there any more? > > Well I just wanted to add, that this b-day is significant because I’ll > > be 40 years young! > > Peace & Blessings to you All, > > Toddy > awesome!!! i was also born in 64!!!! good year!! > bobD
Same here. Caroline (desperately holding onto her thirties) — correct email is caro1ine.s@**NOTTHIS**ntlworld.com — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.580 / Virus Database: 367 – Release Date: 06/02/04
On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 16:37:11 -0000, "Caroline" <m…@privacy.net> wrote in alt.support.mult-sclerosis: >aroline >(desperately holding onto her thirties)
I have been 30 for the last 57 years. Which proves that you can hold on. — Gardening Zones Canada Zone 5a United States Zone 3a Near Ottawa, Ontario
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jim??,, its warm and sunny here in the lowermainland,, stuff is growing,, like my lawn needs mowing,, it is not dormant!!,, roses are budding too,, they never stop here,, all year. so i must protest being included into the same gardening zone as OTTAWA,, yiukes isnt the river still frozen there for sk8ting?? or is it a canal??? vancouver should have its own climate gardening zone,, i am south of vancouver!!! 20 minutes to the ocean!!! ,, well add in 2 hours to find parking,, , bobD -suntannin today!!!!!
On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 21:58:24 GMT, "Bob Davidson" <phatb…@shaw.ca> wrote in alt.support.mult-sclerosis: > vancouver should have its own climate gardening zone,, i am south of >vancouver!!! 20 minutes to the ocean!!!
http://sis.agr.gc.ca/cansis/nsdb/climate/hardiness/intro.html I think Vancouver is around Zone 7 and Victoria is around Zone 8. Given the other conditions out there, how is your algae growing ;-) The harshest climate is Zone 0. — Gardening Zones Canada Zone 5a United States Zone 3a Near Ottawa, Ontario
Feb 14th will be my 25th annual 29th birthday. MOGG "Jim Carter" <spam.f…@softhome.net> wrote in message
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"Jim Carter" <spam.f…@softhome.net> wrote in message
news:gipi201g0ec1ajh1odl8ur7g408pdb4v6n@4ax.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 21:58:24 GMT, "Bob Davidson" <phatb…@shaw.ca> wrote in > alt.support.mult-sclerosis: > > vancouver should have its own climate gardening zone,, i am south of > >vancouver!!! 20 minutes to the ocean!!! > http://sis.agr.gc.ca/cansis/nsdb/climate/hardiness/intro.html > I think Vancouver is around Zone 7 and Victoria is around Zone 8. Given the > other conditions out there, how is your algae growing ;-) > The harshest climate is Zone 0. > — > Gardening Zones > Canada Zone 5a > United States Zone 3a > Near Ottawa, Ontario
it is hotter today than yesterday,, sunny and crystal clear,, chilly at night time,, but hot today,, i have been out with just a t-shirt on all day,, golf courses are packed!!! as for algea,, , the main thing i can say is that ” its growing” not frozen over,,!!!!!! go figure algea in a rainforest eh??? shovel my driveway ,,or mow the lawn in the sunshine in my shorts, in february?? i will take the lawnmowing!!!!!! any day!!! i lived for years in mississauga and brampton,, i know all about cold snowy winters there and rude sweaty hot high humidity summers where you walk out of airconditioning and sweat covers your body in 1 minute.,, also suffered thru long walks to school in edmonton at 45 below celsius , cause the car would not start or run. where we had a wood stove in the garage, for winter to keep the car unfrozen,, visited my grandparents in winnipeg,, where it was colder in the winter,, and summer was great for feeding the mosquitos,, your blood,,, never lived out east,, but so far,, of where i have lived,, Bc has the best climate to live in,, cheaper heating costs in winter,, awesome summers,, semi-arid deseret climates , rain forest climates,, mountain climates,, ocean side climates,, lakes, rivers,, now you also dont have to take a 4 hour drive to get out of vancouver,, you can hit the mountains in north van and be where the cougars and bears are in 20 minutes,,, from vancouver city center. past the mountains you are on your own,, frontier mountain country!!! for miles and miles. hey a little TSP and bleach and my patio is nice and clean ,the green is gone,,!!!!!! bobD :^) ps i do like the senators more than the leafs!!!
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Here is the link for the Las Vegas Track Club. On their site they have a page for places to run with some very good suggestions. They also have a complete race schedule for the next couple months, so you might check out one of the races. You can run on the Strip but its best done very early in the morning before the crowds wake up, its also not very scenic, so it would not be my first choice. You can always run on the streets anywhere in town, but some places the traffic can be a hazzard. Don’t worry about getting lost, you can see the Stratosphere Tower from anywhere in town, so if the worst happens just head in that direction and you will find the Strip again. If you want a scenic and somewhat hard run (lots of hills) take a trip out to Red Rock Park – it has a 13 mile loop that will give you a serious workout. http://www.lvtc.org/ Bruce Las Vegas Thanks, Bruce. It looks like there is a 5k race the weekend I’m going to be there. While I’m definitely not prepared for racing, it might be a fun run to do. Races are always nice to meet folks. Thanks. Ed
Hey Bruce, any chance you might be running the Dream 5k this weekend? I’m signed up. Drop me an email if anyone else is running this race. Ed
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Here is the link for the Las Vegas Track Club. On their site they have a page for places to run with some very good suggestions. They also have a complete race schedule for the next couple months, so you might check out one of the races. You can run on the Strip but its best done very early in the morning before the crowds wake up, its also not very scenic, so it would not be my first choice. You can always run on the streets anywhere in town, but some places the traffic can be a hazzard. Don’t worry about getting lost, you can see the Stratosphere Tower from anywhere in town, so if the worst happens just head in that direction and you will find the Strip again. If you want a scenic and somewhat hard run (lots of hills) take a trip out to Red Rock Park – it has a 13 mile loop that will give you a serious workout. http://www.lvtc.org/ Bruce Las Vegas Thanks, Bruce. It looks like there is a 5k race the weekend I’m going to be there. While I’m definitely not prepared for racing, it might be a fun run to do. Races are always nice to meet folks. Thanks. Ed Hey Bruce, any chance you might be running the Dream 5k this weekend? I’m signed up. Drop me an email if anyone else is running this race. Ed
Ed – No, not this week – other obligations (life gets in the way). besides, my training has been so spotty in the recent past that I don’t believe I could finish a 5k right now. After my last Marathon (Washington DC, March 2002) I went through about 18 months of no training and a lot of eating, so I ended up in terrible shape – unable to climb even one flight of staris without a rest and up to about 280 lbs – so in the fall I started walking and in december some run/walk. along with dieting – now I’m at about 240 and sble to run/walk at about a 12 min/mile pace. I’m looking at the local race schedule and should be racing (very slowly) sometime in February. FWIW the course that race is on is where I set my 5k pr. Its nothing more than an around the block course on city streets, but it ends with a downhill grade (not steep, but steady) that lasts for almost 3/4 mile. If you have anything left at that point, just gut it out and finish fast. If the past is a good indicator, this should be a smallish race – not more than a couple hundred runners and pretty low key. Good Luck. Bruce Las Vegas
I make it a realy habit to run the Vegas 5K 4th of July Race. The desert is great to run in, nice smooth dirt. There is a vegas running club. See http://www.lvtc.org/race-index.htm Bring water. Bob – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Bruce, When the weather is chilly do they permit wood fires in the fireplaces/woodstoves? I recall seeing on the news that Nevada is much tougher than other states with regards to woodsmoke pollution. Just wondering… One of the pleasures of outdoor exercise in the winter for me is the tangy scent of wood smoke in the crisp air. I love it. Teresa Teresa, I’m not a fireplace person – had one for five years in my last apartment and never used it – but, I know that I smell wood smoke in the neighborhood when I go out for a run, so I assume that wood is permitted. My parents had a gas fireplace in their apartment and that seemed like a much better choice to me. When I lived in colder climates I discovered that the wood fire choked me. As soon as the fireplace was lit I felt like I couldn’t breathe anymore – just like being smothered. Spent over $300 a month on electric heat that year. I can’t tell you how much I hate the cold, so Vegas, even with yeaterday’s snow, is fine for me. BTW the cold was quite transient – when I rode the motorcycle to the gym today, I rode in shorts, not jeans and was not excessively cold. Bruce Las Vegas
The 4th of july (2002) 5k was the last race I ran. My hip hurt so bad that I turned in a Personal Worst and had to stop training for a while. Then My doc said I had to ge tthe blood paresure under control so I stopped everything for a while. I have finally given up the slothful life and started training again. perhaps by the 4th of july I will be racing again. I have to turn in a better time than last time. Bruce Las Vegas – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I make it a realy habit to run the Vegas 5K 4th of July Race. The desert is great to run in, nice smooth dirt. There is a vegas running club. See http://www.lvtc.org/race-index.htm Bring water. Bob Bruce, When the weather is chilly do they permit wood fires in the fireplaces/woodstoves? I recall seeing on the news that Nevada is much tougher than other states with regards to woodsmoke pollution. Just wondering… One of the pleasures of outdoor exercise in the winter for me is the tangy scent of wood smoke in the crisp air. I love it. Teresa Teresa, I’m not a fireplace person – had one for five years in my last apartment and never used it – but, I know that I smell wood smoke in the neighborhood when I go out for a run, so I assume that wood is permitted. My parents had a gas fireplace in their apartment and that seemed like a much better choice to me. When I lived in colder climates I discovered that the wood fire choked me. As soon as the fireplace was lit I felt like I couldn’t breathe anymore – just like being smothered. Spent over $300 a month on electric heat that year. I can’t tell you how much I hate the cold, so Vegas, even with yeaterday’s snow, is fine for me. BTW the cold was quite transient – when I rode the motorcycle to the gym today, I rode in shorts, not jeans and was not excessively cold. Bruce Las Vegas
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Here is the link for the Las Vegas Track Club. On their site they have a page for places to run with some very good suggestions. They also have a complete race schedule for the next couple months, so you might check out one of the races. You can run on the Strip but its best done very early in the morning before the crowds wake up, its also not very scenic, so it would not be my first choice. You can always run on the streets anywhere in town, but some places the traffic can be a hazzard. Don’t worry about getting lost, you can see the Stratosphere Tower from anywhere in town, so if the worst happens just head in that direction and you will find the Strip again. If you want a scenic and somewhat hard run (lots of hills) take a trip out to Red Rock Park – it has a 13 mile loop that will give you a serious workout. http://www.lvtc.org/ Bruce Las Vegas
Thanks, Bruce. It looks like there is a 5k race the weekend I’m going to be there. While I’m definitely not prepared for racing, it might be a fun run to do. Races are always nice to meet folks. Thanks. Ed
Bruce, When the weather is chilly do they permit wood fires in the fireplaces/woodstoves? I recall seeing on the news that Nevada is much tougher than other states with regards to woodsmoke pollution. Just wondering… One of the pleasures of outdoor exercise in the winter for me is the tangy scent of wood smoke in the crisp air. I love it. Teresa
Teresa, I’m not a fireplace person – had one for five years in my last apartment and never used it – but, I know that I smell wood smoke in the neighborhood when I go out for a run, so I assume that wood is permitted. My parents had a gas fireplace in their apartment and that seemed like a much better choice to me. When I lived in colder climates I discovered that the wood fire choked me. As soon as the fireplace was lit I felt like I couldn’t breathe anymore – just like being smothered. Spent over $300 a month on electric heat that year. I can’t tell you how much I hate the cold, so Vegas, even with yeaterday’s snow, is fine for me. BTW the cold was quite transient – when I rode the motorcycle to the gym today, I rode in shorts, not jeans and was not excessively cold. Bruce Las Vegas
Thanks Bruce for the information. I like the idea of Red rock loop. I’ll check out the local running link you supplied I may pick up a race when I visit there. Happy New Year! Niagara Boy "Winning is not everything, but the effort to win is."
Here is the link for the Las Vegas Track Club. On their site they have a page for places to run with some very good suggestions. They also have a complete race schedule for the next couple months, so you might check out one of the races. You can run on the Strip but its best done very early in the morning before the crowds wake up, its also not very scenic, so it would not be my first choice. You can always run on the streets anywhere in town, but some places the traffic can be a hazzard. Don’t worry about getting lost, you can see the Stratosphere Tower from anywhere in town, so if the worst happens just head in that direction and you will find the Strip again. If you want a scenic and somewhat hard run (lots of hills) take a trip out to Red Rock Park – it has a 13 mile loop that will give you a serious workout. http://www.lvtc.org/ Bruce
I’ll be in Vegas in 6 weeks for a bit. Any running clubs in that city? I’ll need to keep on track for my spring marathon. Any info you can share as to clubs and running routes would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. Niagara Boy — "I run so I do not lose the me I was yesterday and the me I might become tomorrow."
I’ll be in Vegas in 6 weeks for a bit. Any running clubs in that city? I’ll need to keep on track for my spring marathon. Any info you can share as to clubs and running routes would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. Niagara Boy
I will be there in a couple weeks during the MLK weekend. If no suggestion about running clubs, are there suggestions on areas good for running. I assume there are usually too many people on The Strip to make cruising there any good. Ed (guess If no one answers, I’ll let you, Niagara Boy, know what I find out.)
If you have the time and wheels, try driving to some nearby desert parks. I recommend Red Rocks, the Valley of Fire, Lake Powell. I’ve run on Mt. Anderson too. These parks avoid the urban congestion and have great scenery. In the winter you gnerally avoid the stiffling heat.
Vegas just had snow, so be prepared for all possible weather situations. It’s not always beautiful in the winter! Teresa
My folks are in Vegas, and when I’m there I have run on Golf Courses (there must be a million of ‘em there), but try to go when they’re not teeing off! Fore! Be prepared for dry, icy air — take lip balm for sure!
Here is the link for the Las Vegas Track Club. On their site they have a page for places to run with some very good suggestions. They also have a complete race schedule for the next couple months, so you might check out one of the races. You can run on the Strip but its best done very early in the morning before the crowds wake up, its also not very scenic, so it would not be my first choice. You can always run on the streets anywhere in town, but some places the traffic can be a hazzard. Don’t worry about getting lost, you can see the Stratosphere Tower from anywhere in town, so if the worst happens just head in that direction and you will find the Strip again. If you want a scenic and somewhat hard run (lots of hills) take a trip out to Red Rock Park – it has a 13 mile loop that will give you a serious workout. http://www.lvtc.org/ Bruce Las Vegas I’ll be in Vegas in 6 weeks for a bit. Any running clubs in that city? I’ll need to keep on track for my spring marathon. Any info you can share as to clubs and running routes would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. Niagara Boy — "I run so I do not lose the me I was yesterday and the me I might become tomorrow."
Vegas just had snow, so be prepared for all possible weather situations. It’s not always beautiful in the winter! Teresa
Its true that we had snow yesterday, but by noon it was mostly gone and the weather was about 45f. today its supposed to be 55f, so the weather for the New Years Eve fireworks should be great. this is the first snow we have had in several years and it only laster a couple hours. However, if you want to ski, Lee Canyon Ski area is only 45 minutes away. Bruce Las Vegas
Bruce, When the weather is chilly do they permit wood fires in the fireplaces/woodstoves? I recall seeing on the news that Nevada is much tougher than other states with regards to woodsmoke pollution. Just wondering… One of the pleasures of outdoor exercise in the winter for me is the tangy scent of wood smoke in the crisp air. I love it. Teresa
Hi, I’ll be visiting Melbourne again sometime in Jan 2004 and will like to golf around. I have seen roos in most courses in Perth but have never seen any here (Mel). I last played at Dunes and Moonah Links beginning of 2003. Neither were there any to be seen even at remote Warrnambool (on the way from Grampians to the unforgettable 12 Apostles) As this is the first time my friends will be visiting Australia, it will really be a big kick if they get to meet the ‘real’ thing in the flesh at any Melbourne golf course. Anybody know something that I don’t will be treated to a jug of beer if we’re playing there the same day! Thanks lai
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hi, I’ll be visiting Melbourne again sometime in Jan 2004 and will like to golf around. I have seen roos in most courses in Perth but have never seen any here (Mel). I last played at Dunes and Moonah Links beginning of 2003. Neither were there any to be seen even at remote Warrnambool (on the way from Grampians to the unforgettable 12 Apostles) As this is the first time my friends will be visiting Australia, it will really be a big kick if they get to meet the ‘real’ thing in the flesh at any Melbourne golf course. Anybody know something that I don’t will be treated to a jug of beer if we’re playing there the same day! Thanks lai
You won’t see any kangaroos on any gold course in Melbourne. *Maybe* you might out in Healesville or something…
sd – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I’ll be visiting Melbourne again sometime in Jan 2004 and will like to golf around. I have seen roos in most courses in Perth but have never seen any here (Mel). I last played at Dunes and Moonah Links beginning of 2003. Neither were there any to be seen even at remote Warrnambool (on the way from Grampians to the unforgettable 12 Apostles) As this is the first time my friends will be visiting Australia, it will really be a big kick if they get to meet the ‘real’ thing in the flesh at any Melbourne golf course. Anybody know something that I don’t will be treated to a jug of beer if we’re playing there the same day! Thanks lai
As this is the first time my friends will be visiting Australia, it will really be a big kick if they get to meet the ‘real’ thing in the flesh at any Melbourne golf course.
If you don’t see more Roo’s at Anglsea Golf Course than anyone can stand, I’ll buy you a pint.
Dunes and Monash links are in the middle of town 30k from the nearest bush of course there aint no roos, try healesville & maroondah in the east, werribee & the pines in the west, sunbury in the north, or any other course that is near the edge of town, Anglesea, Geelong West, Frankston, ps Warrnambool isnt really remote, it is a failry large centre, and of the four golf courses, those not in town itself are covered in fauna —
| Hi, | I’ll be visiting Melbourne again sometime in Jan 2004 and will like to golf | around. I have seen roos in most courses in Perth but have never seen any | here (Mel). I last played at Dunes and Moonah Links beginning of 2003. | Neither were there any to be seen even at remote Warrnambool (on the way | from Grampians to the unforgettable 12 Apostles) | | As this is the first time my friends will be visiting Australia, it will | really be a big kick if they get to meet the ‘real’ thing in the flesh at | any Melbourne golf course. | | Anybody know something that I don’t will be treated to a jug of beer if | we’re playing there the same day! | | Thanks | | lai | |
Can’t understand the fuss, I have a couple in my back paddock every morning 
Cheers Jim
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I’ll be visiting Melbourne again sometime in Jan 2004 and will like to golf around. I have seen roos in most courses in Perth but have never seen any here (Mel). I last played at Dunes and Moonah Links beginning of 2003. Neither were there any to be seen even at remote Warrnambool (on the way from Grampians to the unforgettable 12 Apostles) As this is the first time my friends will be visiting Australia, it will really be a big kick if they get to meet the ‘real’ thing in the flesh at any Melbourne golf course. Anybody know something that I don’t will be treated to a jug of beer if we’re playing there the same day! Thanks lai
If you recall, OJ’s oath was to find the murderer of his ex-wife, and assuming he has destroyed all the mirrors where he lives, what is the latest news on the ‘murderer’ of the ex-wife?? I am mostly serious here, as I have heard nothing of potential suspects of that very heinous crime over the years since his non-sentence.
If you recall, OJ’s oath was to find the murderer of his ex-wife, and assuming he has destroyed all the mirrors where he lives, what is the latest news on the ‘murderer’ of the ex-wife??
… OJ has searched for the murderer on every golf course in the USA several times. With the exception of the mirror in the men’s room, he has found nothing. And he has interview every starlet he could get his hands on (no pun intended), but no luck there either. Whatever happened to Hoboken justice? I expected the murdered woman’s father to seek advice from the dons…err, the Hoboken elders a long time ago. –RW
Whatever happened to Hoboken justice? I expected the murdered woman’s father to seek advice from the dons…err, the Hoboken elders a long time ago.
Me too. In my world, it’s *inconceivable* that this guy still draws breath. Oh well. El Alumbrado "Civis Texanus Sum"
If you recall, OJ’s oath was to find the murderer of his ex-wife, and assuming he has destroyed all the mirrors where he lives, what is the latest news on the ‘murderer’ of the ex-wife?? I am mostly serious here, as I have heard nothing of potential suspects of that very heinous crime over the years since his non-sentence.
I am absolutely amazed that with all the kooks and malcontents in this world that he has not been ed by now. You fill in the s. I would have bet a year’s pay he would have not survived two years. Steve
Who is going to kill O.J., some crazy racist? The Browns, and Goldman families got plenty of money out of their civil lawsuit… Besides, I don’t think they would fare as well in as O.J. did, in court, and max canteen draw is $140 per month in state prison…. The criminals, already in prison, thought it was beautiful, the way he put the cops on trial, along with himself… O.J. is a hero to them.. We’ll see what happens in the Robert Blake case……. Don
If you recall, OJ’s oath was to find the murderer of his ex-wife, and assuming he has destroyed all the mirrors where he lives, what is the latest news on the ‘murderer’ of the ex-wife?? I am mostly serious here, as I have heard nothing of potential suspects of that very heinous crime over the years since his non-sentence.
Last I heard, there were a few more golf courses that he hadn’t yet inspected. That’s what I know of his efforts….IOW, playing golf. Mark .
I made a bundle taking bets he’d get off, not because he was innocent but because of a combination of inept prosecution and outstanding defense tactics. My parents are buried next to his wife, in Lake Forest. Her grave doesn’t have flowers on it very often now, in comparison to the early days when you couldn’t see the small gravestone for all the blooms. Canoli
I’d bet OJ never put flowers on her grave unless it was for press reasons. Ben — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Why not? They just let one of the snipers off the hook in Virginia didn’t they? And, at least, OJ might have been the victim of passion but not that damn sniper who, I believe, confessed. So save your spite for some real creeps as opposed to celebrities who are fair game for DA’s, judges, and the media. Allowing the legal profession to profit from their work by pushing celebrity cases stinks. TS
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Whatever happened to Hoboken justice? I expected the murdered woman’s father to seek advice from the dons…err, the Hoboken elders a long time ago. Me too. In my world, it’s *inconceivable* that this guy still draws breath. Oh well. El Alumbrado "Civis Texanus Sum"
If you recall, OJ’s oath was to find the murderer of his ex-wife, and assuming he has destroyed all the mirrors where he lives, what is the latest news on the ‘murderer’ of the ex-wife?? I am mostly serious here, as I have heard nothing of potential suspects of that very heinous crime over the years since his non-sentence.
The murderer has found the perfect hiding place where he knows he will never be found. He is hiding with the weapons of mass destruction that Mr. Bush, also knows, that he will never find.
Why not? They just let one of the snipers off the hook in Virginia didn’t they? And, at least, OJ might have been the victim of passion but not that damn sniper who, I believe, confessed. So save your spite for some real creeps as opposed to celebrities who are fair game for DA’s, judges, and the media. Allowing the legal profession to profit from their work by pushing celebrity cases stinks. TS
We should have a couple more chances here in VA if the Governor lets them. Paul
Yes, it seems that the program will be ending. I was told that they’ll honor ALL coupons (including those listed as expiring on 4/04 until 4/05! Anway, since they’re not going to be renewing, it would be worthwhile for all interested parties to trade the coupons that they don’t plan on using with others. I have already traded with a bunch of people for Arizona courses. I’m particularly looking for coupons to: Stone Creek El Caro Legends of Arrowhead Coyote Lakes Foothills Continental Superstition Springs Kokopelli (in that priority order) Also, if you’re in Arizona and you have the first four coupons, I’ll trade you some of the last four for them (The West Valley is more convenient for me that the East Valley). I have THREE sets of coupons to trade (some of the coupons are gone already). But it you would like to trade for golf courses that you’d like to use and part with some coupons that you’re not likely to use, please contact me at Thanks. Arthur
I didn’t think could have any less respect for golfers, until I heard you begging for coupons.
There are sand greens in Regina, as well – the Craig golf course by the airport is nine holes with sand greens. They hold approaches surprisingly well., and it’s not a bad layout. Now, if they’d only clean up the red fescue in the middle of the fairway…
Is this the site of my ceremonial Ian Baker Finch duck hooked 4 iron? Or is Craig the other one by the airport? :-) Is it coincidence that I often refer to Craig as a bowel movement? :-) — Washington State University "That shot is impossible!…Jack Nicholson himself couldn’t make it!"– Homer Simpson
– Washington State University "That shot is impossible!…Jack Nicholson himself couldn’t make it!"– Homer Simpson
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Your description is typical of small town muni’s. About half of my province’s greens are sandys. It’s the only way little towns can afford to even have any type of course. It’s also one of the reasons why there are more courses per capita in Saskatchewan than any where else in the world with about 250 courses and 250,000 golfers. There are sand greens in Regina, as well – the Craig golf course by the airport is nine holes with sand greens. They hold approaches surprisingly well., and it’s not a bad layout. Now, if they’d only clean up the red fescue in the middle of the fairway… One of the coolest things all year is when the really, really desperate golfers (like, um, me) find ourselves out there as soon as enough snow melts (and well before the other courses in town open). It ain’t exactly Deer Valley or White Bear Lake, but it’s the only way you’re golfin’ on Masters Sunday in Regina… Prof. Rev. Todd "Runyan" McGillivray, Esq. http://cplhicks.tripod.com/ Emailing me? tmcg at sasktel dot net. "Not sure what four nines does, but the ace, I think, is pretty high." – Danny Ocean, Ocean’s Eleven
Played on sand greens about 2 years ago at the Roscoe S.D. muni. 9 fairly short holes in literally a mowed pasture. I thought the oil was actually diesel #2. Anyway it was 3 bucks to play, $5 all day, just put the money in the honor system box. I played it twice with my brother in law while we were there for my Grandma’s 90th birthday with borrowed clubs. Last hole is about 110 yards. I step up to the tee and my brother in law starts talking about how most people get maybe 1 hole in one in a lifetime and I am probably due and would it not be funny if this was my hole in one. I layed up.
Your description is typical of small town muni’s. About half of my province’s greens are sandys. It’s the only way little towns can afford to even have any type of course. It’s also one of the reasons why there are more courses per capita in Saskatchewan than any where else in the world with about 250 courses and 250,000 golfers.
Played my first golf on sand "greens" in McCook Nebraska about 1960. The problem was lack of water to waste on golf courses. There was a rolled strip across the diameter of the "green" and that is where you putted. These were pretty soft so that a ball wouldn’t bounce off if you managed to hit a "green"… — Jerry Jerry E. Wesch Chicago
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A course in the small town I lived in had sand greens that were oiled, maybe. Is that something that someone could do in their back yard? I played sand greens last week, at Rutherglen, Australia. Diesel oil applied to the sand ( in quantities determine dby the green staff). We use a rake and are allowed one "scrape" towards the gole, and a return scrape back past the ball (you need to make a mark on the sand to remember where you’re ball was!). Sand putts slow most times, but if a good job of rolling has been done, downhillers can be quick, and chips can shoot thru the sand. Great experience to play them at least once. Everybody bitches like hell, say things like "last time I’ll play sand greens", "why so slow" etc., when what they mean is "I can’t adapt to different conditions". Good putters are good putters, irrespective of conditions. Corowakid
I played on flat sand greens near Hartwell GA in the 1940s. Every green had a rake: flat piece of wood on a long handle. You were allowed to rake a smooth path between the hole and your ball. Putts on a flat sand green rolled straight! http://www.pasturegolf.com/courses/sandgreens.htm T-L – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Played my first golf on sand "greens" in McCook Nebraska about 1960. The problem was lack of water to waste on golf courses. There was a rolled strip across the diameter of the "green" and that is where you putted. These were pretty soft so that a ball wouldn’t bounce off if you managed to hit a "green"…
Your description is typical of small town muni’s. About half of my province’s greens are sandys. It’s the only way little towns can afford to even have any type of course. It’s also one of the reasons why there are more courses per capita in Saskatchewan than any where else in the world with about 250 courses and 250,000 golfers.
There are sand greens in Regina, as well – the Craig golf course by the airport is nine holes with sand greens. They hold approaches surprisingly well., and it’s not a bad layout. Now, if they’d only clean up the red fescue in the middle of the fairway… One of the coolest things all year is when the really, really desperate golfers (like, um, me) find ourselves out there as soon as enough snow melts (and well before the other courses in town open). It ain’t exactly Deer Valley or White Bear Lake, but it’s the only way you’re golfin’ on Masters Sunday in Regina… Prof. Rev. Todd "Runyan" McGillivray, Esq. http://cplhicks.tripod.com/ Emailing me? tmcg at sasktel dot net. "Not sure what four nines does, but the ace, I think, is pretty high." – Danny Ocean, Ocean’s Eleven
A course in the small town I lived in had sand greens that were oiled, maybe. Is that something that someone could do in their back yard?
Hmm, you want to put an oil spill in your back yard? I suspect the environmental regulations make oiled greens difficult and undesriable. I wonder what it does to the value of your house. Artificial turf is probably a better option and a better putting surface and there are lots of companies out there selling it now. — http://home.att.net/~wamontgomery ) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
Played on sand greens about 2 years ago at the Roscoe S.D. muni. 9 fairly short holes in literally a mowed pasture. I thought the oil was actually diesel #2. Anyway it was 3 bucks to play, $5 all day, just put the money in the honor system box. I played it twice with my brother in law while we were there for my Grandma’s 90th birthday with borrowed clubs. Last hole is about 110 yards. I step up to the tee and my brother in law starts talking about how most people get maybe 1 hole in one in a lifetime and I am probably due and would it not be funny if this was my hole in one. I layed up. Why in the hell would you even consider putting in a sand green? I do not see the point. Steve – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A course in the small town I lived in had sand greens that were oiled, maybe. Is that something that someone could do in their back yard?
Played on a short nine with sand greens in N WI when I was a kid. Really odd. I doubt you city will allow you to pour oil onto the ground.
I saw something recently about a sand green course that used biodegradable vegetable oil. Another point, most people think a green is made of grass. In reality, the most important part of the green is under the grass.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Played on sand greens about 2 years ago at the Roscoe S.D. muni. 9 fairly short holes in literally a mowed pasture. I thought the oil was actually diesel #2. Anyway it was 3 bucks to play, $5 all day, just put the money in the honor system box. I played it twice with my brother in law while we were there for my Grandma’s 90th birthday with borrowed clubs. Last hole is about 110 yards. I step up to the tee and my brother in law starts talking about how most people get maybe 1 hole in one in a lifetime and I am probably due and would it not be funny if this was my hole in one. I layed up. Why in the hell would you even consider putting in a sand green? I do not see the point. Steve A course in the small town I lived in had sand greens that were oiled, maybe. Is that something that someone could do in their back yard?
I’m thinking it would be cheap and I could like rake the sand to make the hole different. Oh well, so goes this idea like so many others, to the scrapheap of half baked ideas. : -)
A course in the small town I lived in had sand greens that were oiled, maybe. Is that something that someone could do in their back yard?
I also played on sand greens when I was a kid (in Missouri – an hour or so south of St. Louis). They disappeared in our area around 1964/5. What purpose would you have in mind in building such a thing? Even if you could do it cheap, it wouldn’t seen to have much value unless you actually had sand greens on your home course. dave
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A course in the small town I lived in had sand greens that were oiled, maybe. Is that something that someone could do in their back yard? I also played on sand greens when I was a kid (in Missouri – an hour or so south of St. Louis). They disappeared in our area around 1964/5. What purpose would you have in mind in building such a thing? Even if you could do it cheap, it wouldn’t seen to have much value unless you actually had sand greens on your home course. dave
Probably about the same as puttin on the carpet in my house (before we got tile). Do you get realistic speed from any artificial stuff? The one’s I’ve used are usually very fast.
I played on flat sand greens near Hartwell GA in the 1940s. Every green had a rake: flat piece of wood on a long handle. You were allowed to rake a smooth path between the hole and your ball. Putts on a flat sand green rolled straight!
(CLIP) Back in ‘39, I worked as a night clerk at High Hampton Inn, in NC. Every day, before getting some sack time, I played the 11 hole course there. (played the first 6 and the 11th over for the 18) They had hard packed sand greens and the same maintenance equipment mentioned. One aftermath I noticed… the putts rolled absolutely straight, as mentioned… no deviation, so if your stroke was even slightly off, you missed the putt. Because of this, you had to pay particular attention to your stroke. It took some time to determine how hard to hit the putt when I went back to regular greens, but whatever line I chose, I could stroke the ball accurately and made a lot of putts. Unfortunately, the magic disappeared somewhere. :} — "How Can You Not Like A Game Where It’s Okay To Get Teed Off, Tote A Six-Iron, Shoot Birdies, and If You’re Under Par It’s A Great Day!" (from "Frank & Ernest" by Bob Thaves — used with permission)
you should try to find one of those old greens to see how you like it. Also to check out the type of sand, which you will notice is of the very smallest (packed) grain. once you put the oil in you probably are going to have it there for a long time, the grass will not be coming back. so yes, you would want to take the time to build the foundation and drainage. If you go to all that trouble though, you would be in goodshape to eventually take the opportunity that was not available in the olden days, ie, to put an atrifical turf on it. puttster
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Played on a short nine with sand greens in N WI when I was a kid. Really odd. I doubt you city will allow you to pour oil onto the ground. I would think you would need a solid, permeable substrte of gravel/pearock and very angular, cohesive sand for the top. You may want to consider artificial turf (my dad did this on a compacted sand base with cheap, short astroturf), worked out okay, but every few years he has to recompact the sand and can’t change the cups. jim A course in the small town I lived in had sand greens that were oiled, maybe. Is that something that someone could do in their back yard?
A course in the small town I lived in had sand greens that were oiled, maybe. Is that something that someone could do in their back yard?
There are still a lot of sand green courses in outback Australia. I don’t know the exact number, but would guess at a few hundred at least. Some courses even have sand fairways (e.g. Coober Pedy) … you hit off an artificial turf mat that you carry with you. Guess the ball life is pretty short, but you don’t need soft balls for sand greens anyway! Many sand green courses in my part of Australia are open from about April to November while the annual grasses are growing, then close for the summer when the fairways go dry and dusty. The AGU has a specific set of rules for sand greens that form part of the Rules of Golf here. My State even holds the Victorian Sand Greens Championship every year. The purpose of any oiling is just to bind the sand together so it doesn’t blow away. I have played on sand greens at Maldon (birthplace of Walter Travis, incidentally), but they are not oiled, they are made from a coarser granitic sand. The Maldon "greens" are very hard and often don’t even need smoothing. The problem with sand greens for practice purposes is that they are incredibly slow. You have to give the ball a real rap to get it anywhere near the hole. The ball undergoes about 90% of its speed loss in the last couple of feet of any putt, so initially you think you have hit it too hard and way past the hole. People who spend a lot of their time on sand greens take some time to adjust to the style of play for grass greens: they tend to play a lot of running shots because sand greens will not hold the ball, and forget they can hit high "biting" approaches. They also take a while adjusting to the speed and breaks on grass greens … most sand greens are just dead flat. — Cheers Colin Wilson RSG Roll Call: http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=wilsonc Trentham Golf Club: http://www.trenthamgolf.com
A course in the small town I lived in had sand greens that were oiled, maybe. Is that something that someone could do in their back yard?
on sand greens. They were better than nothing, I think. Taz
A course in the small town I lived in had sand greens that were oiled, maybe. Is that something that someone could do in their back yard?
I played sand greens last week, at Rutherglen, Australia. Diesel oil applied to the sand ( in quantities determine dby the green staff). We use a rake and are allowed one "scrape" towards the gole, and a return scrape back past the ball (you need to make a mark on the sand to remember where you’re ball was!). Sand putts slow most times, but if a good job of rolling has been done, downhillers can be quick, and chips can shoot thru the sand. Great experience to play them at least once. Everybody bitches like hell, say things like "last time I’ll play sand greens", "why so slow" etc., when what they mean is "I can’t adapt to different conditions". Good putters are good putters, irrespective of conditions. Corowakid
A course in the small town I lived in had sand greens that were oiled, maybe. Is that something that someone could do in their back yard?
A course in the small town I lived in had sand greens that were oiled, maybe. Is that something that someone could do in their back yard?
I played a couple of times on oiled sand greens when I was a boy growing up in a small town in western Nebraska. Once you hit your ball on the "green," you would use a roller to make a path between your position and the cup. After you had it smooth, you would putt down the path. I’ve not seen anything like that in forty years…. Jeff
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A course in the small town I lived in had sand greens that were oiled, maybe. Is that something that someone could do in their back yard? I played a couple of times on oiled sand greens when I was a boy growing up in a small town in western Nebraska. Once you hit your ball on the "green," you would use a roller to make a path between your position and the cup. After you had it smooth, you would putt down the path. I’ve not seen anything like that in forty years…. Jeff
Jeff. You ignored my question about how I can make a putting green in my back yard on the cheap. I will usually spend a lot of money with the purpose of getting something cheap. : -)
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A course in the small town I lived in had sand greens that were oiled, maybe. Is that something that someone could do in their back yard? I played a couple of times on oiled sand greens when I was a boy growing up in a small town in western Nebraska. Once you hit your ball on the "green," you would use a roller to make a path between your position and the cup. After you had it smooth, you would putt down the path. I’ve not seen anything like that in forty years…. Jeff
There’s still a place with these same greens in a little town in Minnesota called Kensington. I’ve never played there, but I have a number of relatives who live in the area and they seem to get there every other year or so. They don’t speak too highly of it, but they do go on occasion. KT
Played on a short nine with sand greens in N WI when I was a kid. Really odd. I doubt you city will allow you to pour oil onto the ground. I would think you would need a solid, permeable substrte of gravel/pearock and very angular, cohesive sand for the top. You may want to consider artificial turf (my dad did this on a compacted sand base with cheap, short astroturf), worked out okay, but every few years he has to recompact the sand and can’t change the cups. jim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A course in the small town I lived in had sand greens that were oiled, maybe. Is that something that someone could do in their back yard?
I will be in the Mesa, AZ area in early February and am looking for recommendations on where to golf that is both enjoyable from a golf experience and affordable. Thanks in advance. PS It has been a very long time since I posted here and I see that there are still some of the original members to RSG posting. Good for you folks.
I will be in the Mesa, AZ area in early February and am looking for recommendations on where to golf that is both enjoyable from a golf experience and affordable. Thanks in advance. PS It has been a very long time since I posted here and I see that there are still some of the original members to RSG posting. Good for you folks.
Dude, er, Duke….. The best way is to get the Thursday Arizona Republic Sports section and go through the golf section–every Thursday. There are lots of golf discount coupons. However- February is HIGH Season here due to snowbirds and Spring Training baseball fans. Rates will be high. I’d be happy to mail / fax you the coupons from my paper before you arrive if you’d like but you’ll have to e-mail me directly and remind me in February.
: I will be in the Mesa, AZ area in early February and am looking for : recommendations on where to golf that is both enjoyable from a golf : experience and affordable. : : Thanks in advance. : : PS It has been a very long time since I posted here and I see that : there are still some of the original members to RSG posting. Good for : you folks. I just got back from Thanksgiving week there — my host there used www.golf602.com to get discounted tee times. We played Gold Canyon (Dinosaur Mountain course), Johnson Ranch (both a bit south of Mesa) — mountain courses and lots of fun, Club West (an hour or so west of Mesa), Longbow and Viewpoint (very close by) — flatter but still decent tracks. — http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=oinesroald Please remove the under_scores if sending me mail.
I will be in the Mesa, AZ area in early February and am looking for recommendations on where to golf that is both enjoyable from a golf experience and affordable.
Dobson Ranch is pretty good bang/buck…I believe that’s in Mesa. Pretty crowded though….municipal course….cheap golf. http://www.cityofmesa.org/parksrec/golf/parks_dobsonranch/dobson_ranc… — Washington State University "That shot is impossible!…Jack Nicholson himself couldn’t make it!"– Homer Simpson
: I will be in the Mesa, AZ area in early February and am looking for : recommendations on where to golf that is both enjoyable from a golf : experience and affordable. : 
obson Ranch is pretty good bang/buck…I believe that’s in Mesa. Pretty :crowded though….municipal course….cheap golf. : :http://www.cityofmesa.org/parksrec/golf/parks_dobsonranch/dobson_ranc… : : Scott, I just had a great idea for a thread. More posts just like this. We could all use it to develop a personal database of good *bang/buck* courses in various places. Personally it does no good for me to see some fabulous course that costs $200 US to play. Not gonna happen – Sacha or no Sacha. Well, if it was Augusta National it might but you know what I mean. I read once that there are oodles of courses that have hosted State Opens etc that are fairly reasonable cost wise. Dobson Ranch is in my favourites list of my web browser, along with this one from someone’s post a while ago from Albuquerque, NM. Notice the fees, especially for *seniors*. $30 bucks, with cart – now that’s my kind of place, top 100 Golf Digest too. http://www.santaanagolf.com/Santa_Ana/ jmkanes
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I will be in the Mesa, AZ area in early February and am looking for recommendations on where to golf that is both enjoyable from a golf experience and affordable. Dobson Ranch is pretty good bang/buck…I believe that’s in Mesa. Pretty crowded though….municipal course….cheap golf. http://www.cityofmesa.org/parksrec/golf/parks_dobsonranch/dobson_ranc… — Washington State University "That shot is impossible!…Jack Nicholson himself couldn’t make it!"– Homer Simpson
So you’ve been down here hanging out at my local clubs and you haven’t called me? Ask Dene, I don’t bite. Unless you bring your wife……The Rev says she’s a Sweetie….so I may have to wear clean clothes and shave.
I just got back from Thanksgiving week there — my host there used www.golf602.com to get discounted tee times. We played Gold Canyon (Dinosaur Mountain course),
Exactly what I was going to recommend. One of my favorite places to play, though I almost never get out that far. The course is nice, but it could be gravel and weeds and it’s still one of the most beautiful tracks in town. –Blair "I’d pay to ride on top of the cart."
Dobson Ranch is in my favourites list of my web browser, along with this one from someone’s post a while ago from Albuquerque, NM. Notice the fees, especially for *seniors*. $30 bucks, with cart –
Another good deal for seniors is Pecan Valley in San Antonio. I think it’s something like $24 on a weekday. I haven’t made it up there (for a similar military rate) but supposedly it’s been restored to it’s PGA Championship condition. Dave Clary/Corpus Christi, Tx Home: http://home.stx.rr.com/dclary RSG Roll Call http://www.rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=claryd
So you’ve been down here hanging out at my local clubs and you haven’t called me? Ask Dene, I don’t bite.
Scott…he doesn’t bite, but don’t ask him for directions….. Unless you bring your wife……The Rev says she’s a Sweetie….so I may have to wear clean clothes and shave.
She’s dang cute too. Even better, she’s has one of them dang natural swings. -Greg
: obson Ranch is in my favourites list of my web browser, along with this 
ne from someone’s post a while ago from Albuquerque, NM. Notice the :fees, especially for *seniors*. $30 bucks, with cart – : :Another good deal for seniors is Pecan Valley in San Antonio. I think it’s :something like $24 on a weekday. I haven’t made it up there (for a similar :military rate) but supposedly it’s been restored to it’s PGA Championship :condition. : ave Clary/Corpus Christi, Tx :Home: http://home.stx.rr.com/dclary :RSG Roll Call http://www.rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=claryd : Looks pretty good. http://www.golftexas.com/pecan1.htm Thanks
So you’ve been down here hanging out at my local clubs and you haven’t called me? Ask Dene, I don’t bite. Unless you bring your wife……The Rev says she’s a Sweetie….so I may have to wear clean clothes and shave.
Yeah, I’ve been down, but it’s been awhile. :-) Last time I visited was probably in Jan. ‘01. Kelly & I went up north to Sedona for a few days and ended up buying a timeshare up there. We’ll be back! We also went in ‘98 or 99 to a few Mariners Spring Training games. That’s when I played Dobson. I played another course called Kokopelli, I think. It was OK…got on for free. Friend who knows a friend who knows…. I’m not sure if I’m coming down this year for Pho. Open. Kelly really wants come down also, but she has a work commitment that week. Maybe February? Alaska Airlines is running some deals into the 1st week of Feb. I definitely let you know. Heck, if Kelly can put up with Koenig, you’ll be nothing! :-) — Washington State University "That shot is impossible!…Jack Nicholson himself couldn’t make it!"– Homer Simpson
Scott…he doesn’t bite, but don’t ask him for directions…..
I don’t bite…….hard. She’s dang cute too. Even better, she’s has one of them dang natural swings.
Unlike her husband. :-( (In both cuteness and natural swing) — Washington State University "That shot is impossible!…Jack Nicholson himself couldn’t make it!"– Homer Simpson
I just got back from Thanksgiving week there — my host there used www.golf602.com to get discounted tee times. We played Gold Canyon (Dinosaur Mountain course), Exactly what I was going to recommend. One of my favorite places to play, though I almost never get out that far. The course is nice, but it could be gravel and weeds and it’s still one of the most beautiful tracks in town. –Blair "I’d pay to ride on top of the cart."
and, the beer cart babes at Gold Canyon are the best in AZ…at least they were when I was there in ‘02. OK, so I rate golf courses differently than you guys do…so what 
— Dave Jones RSG Roll Call http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=jonesd
If you are looking for decent but inexpensive golf try: Toka Sticks – very flat, somewhat narrow, a great deal (< $30, I think), usually good pace Dobson Ranch – very good deal ($20 walking now, maybe $25 in Feb), but slow Western Skies – not great shape, a little overpriced for what it is but still relatively inexpensive, slow Johnson Ranch – somewhat of a trek (25mi SE of Mesa) but nice with back side rather mountainous and very good deal Las Colinas – Rittenhouse Rd, about 3/4 mi. past Ellsworth – <$40, flat, decent, forgiving Fiesta Lakes – next to the Hilton by Fiesta Mall. If you need a quick, short 9 holes and don’t want to pay more than a few bucks, this is an interesting little executive track I’ve also heard good things about Apache Creek but have never played there. For a little more money: Trilogy – when I played there several months ago the greens were incredibly perfect Lone Tree – very nice, not too pricey Bear Creek – links style, nice course Superstition Springs – can be very difficult, pricey, very nice Gold Canyon – the ultimate in the area, so I hear. Very pricey. Las Sendas – very difficult, very expensive Kokopelli – next to my house and I play about once every 2 years. overpriced, narrow, slow, stuffy, blech For good deals on short notice try www.teetimespecials.com and www.bunkergolf.com. I use both and like them. Of course, there’s lots more that I’m not familiar with… Good luck, Steve
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I will be in the Mesa, AZ area in early February and am looking for recommendations on where to golf that is both enjoyable from a golf experience and affordable. Thanks in advance. PS It has been a very long time since I posted here and I see that there are still some of the original members to RSG posting. Good for you folks.
A must play for $95 for 18 is Seville in Gilbert, AZ.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you are looking for decent but inexpensive golf try: Toka Sticks – very flat, somewhat narrow, a great deal (< $30, I think), usually good pace Dobson Ranch – very good deal ($20 walking now, maybe $25 in Feb), but slow Western Skies – not great shape, a little overpriced for what it is but still relatively inexpensive, slow Johnson Ranch – somewhat of a trek (25mi SE of Mesa) but nice with back side rather mountainous and very good deal Las Colinas – Rittenhouse Rd, about 3/4 mi. past Ellsworth – <$40, flat, decent, forgiving Fiesta Lakes – next to the Hilton by Fiesta Mall. If you need a quick, short 9 holes and don’t want to pay more than a few bucks, this is an interesting little executive track I’ve also heard good things about Apache Creek but have never played there. For a little more money: Trilogy – when I played there several months ago the greens were incredibly perfect Lone Tree – very nice, not too pricey Bear Creek – links style, nice course Superstition Springs – can be very difficult, pricey, very nice Gold Canyon – the ultimate in the area, so I hear. Very pricey. Las Sendas – very difficult, very expensive Kokopelli – next to my house and I play about once every 2 years. overpriced, narrow, slow, stuffy, blech For good deals on short notice try www.teetimespecials.com and www.bunkergolf.com. I use both and like them. Of course, there’s lots more that I’m not familiar with… Good luck, Steve I will be in the Mesa, AZ area in early February and am looking for recommendations on where to golf that is both enjoyable from a golf experience and affordable. Thanks in advance. PS It has been a very long time since I posted here and I see that there are still some of the original members to RSG posting. Good for you folks.