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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – No matter how crappy Annika plays in the Colonial, there’s no reason to believe that Annika couldn’t make a decent living playing exclusively on the PGA Tour. On the other hand, if she does play even remotely decent, she will have proved that she can compete at the highest level. She can only show that she can make a decent living on the PGA tour by actually making a cut and cashing a check which she has not done as of today and may or may not do @ Colonial. Lets not give her a PGA card just yet. The problem with the whole Colonial thing is this, its one tourney and just one one tourney. You can not judge a player on one round or one tourney. The media is going to look at how she does over 2 or 4 rounds and make a decision on how good she is compared to the PGA tour. If that was how it works then on April 14th 2003, the world golf rankings should have looked like: 1) M. Weir 2) L. Mattice 3) P. Mickelson 4) J. Furyk 5) J. Maggert If she beats one guy then she will automatically be labeled by the media as PGA Tour quality and there is always 1 guy out of the 150+ who shoots somewhere in the 160 range like fully exempt Fulton Allem 83-80, did last week. In order for her to show she really belongs on the PGA tour, she needs to qualify to play by either going through the regular qualifying routes or earn enough money with exemptions to finish in the top 125 in money. Do not read this as saying I do not think she should play Colonial, that is between her and the sponser who is giving the exemption. If she wants to play and can get an exemption, go for it. I have no problem with her playing. I am just not willing to say if she finishes above 1 PGA player in 1 tourney then that proves she belongs on the tour.
Well said!!!!! Let’s not forget that she also cherry picked a course that sets up for her game strengths. She won’t be able to do that every week if she had a PGA tour Card. Steve
Thanks in advance!!! Regards, Steve B.
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I don’t have a problem with her playing in the PGA. In fact, I am looking forward to all of the hype that this has stired and believe that it will be great for viewer ratings. Although, the fact is that she didn’t qualify and for her to state that she wants to see how she preforms against the best is silly, since this won’t be an accurate test to provide the feedback that she says she is seeking. How can it? She had a number of tournament sponsors offer her exemptions to play and she chose a course that best suits her game strengths. She said so herself. Regular tour players don’t always have that luxury. Perhaps she should play this one and then ViJay should pick the next PGA Tour Course for her to compete in so that rather than her having here cherry pick a competition and have the best possible scenario, she can compete in a best and worst case and then judge how well she fairs against the men. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What dose of reality are you talking about? You really think any seasoned professional golfer, male or female, is going to go into a tournament and be caught by surprise? This tournament is still going to be played on a golf course, right? It still has tee boxes and greens and rough on the sides and fairways in between. Sure the course will play longer than what she’s used to, but I’m sure she’s been practicing by playing long courses from the tips. She should know exactly how she expects to score playing on a longer course. I’m sure that a lot of people would agree that she’d actually do better if she didn’t try to push her driver too much and concentrated more on her short game. I see her having to save par on lot of the longer par 4s by chipping/pitching on and one-putting. I would say the biggest challenge she has is more mental than physical. She’s going to be under a lot of pressure to do well, and it will be intensified if she watches the leaderboard a lot. But, I think the most pressure will be on the 1 or 2 male players that will be playing in her group. I definitely don’t envy those guys. She has stated she wants to see how she fares against the best. She has to believe that she has a decent chance of playing the weekend. The one knock against her game is she does not seem to perform at her peak at the big tournaments. In my opinion, I do not believe she will come close to making the cut even though she is my favorite LPGA player and I would love to watch her play the weekend. The "I think she is in for a big dose of reality" comment was my belief that where I feel she will finish, about 10 shots below the cut and where she thinks she will finish, around the cut or playing the weekend, are not the same. I just read that she has played a couple of rounds with T.W. and the rumor is she is about 10 stokes behind per round. I have not done any statistical analysis on where Tiger is in relation to the cut after round 2 but I am guessing on average he is not 20 strokes below the cut line. Finally, I do not believe the length of the course will be her biggest problem. I think tucked pins, deeper rough and faster greens will cause her more grief than length. She can practice from the tips anytime but the PGA is not going to get a course in PGA tourney condition for her to practice on. I had a guy tell me he shot a 78 @ Sahallee from the tips last fall… sure, without tucked pins, super fast greens and deep rough. Same course, not the same conditions. I hope she does well, I do not see it happening. Steve
Thanks in advance!!! Regards, Steve B.
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says… I’ll be amazed if she makes the cut and yes, this is a publicity stunt. She is about to trash the LPGA tour though. Who cares if it’s a publicity stunt? The publicity stunt is being pulled by a sanctioned PGA tournament organizer. Annika wouldn’t be able to play if not for them. It’s not Annika’s stunt to pull. Are you saying if the Colonial granted you an exemption to play, you’d turn it down? I don’t understand why this does anything to discredit the LPGA tour. Is it better left as a mystery how women will fare against men?
Times are getting tough out there and prize money/sponsorship is a scarce commodity. I bet the PGA Tour wouldn’t mind seeing the leading LPGA player get thoroughly whipped in a PGA event. That would increase demand for PGA sponsored events at the expense of the LPGA tour. Who wants to watch LPGA when the best of them can’t make the cut in a PGA event? I bet the PGA Tour people are snickering to themselves about this.
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Did you see her shooting 59? tim
I have seen some clips of that round but did not see it. I have seen her miss the cut though on a number of occasions. Like I mentioned in another post on this thread… that is the problem, she may go to the Colonial and play like she did when she shot 59 or she may shoot like one of the many more times where she has missed the cut at an LPGA event. Its just one round and one tourney. That one round on its own does not tell you a whole lot on how she would fair on the PGA tour. Nobody qualifies for the PGA Tour based on one round. Steve
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What dose of reality are you talking about? You really think any seasoned professional golfer, male or female, is going to go into a tournament and be caught by surprise? This tournament is still going to be played on a golf course, right? It still has tee boxes and greens and rough on the sides and fairways in between. Sure the course will play longer than what she’s used to, but I’m sure she’s been practicing by playing long courses from the tips. She should know exactly how she expects to score playing on a longer course. I’m sure that a lot of people would agree that she’d actually do better if she didn’t try to push her driver too much and concentrated more on her short game. I see her having to save par on lot of the longer par 4s by chipping/pitching on and one-putting. I would say the biggest challenge she has is more mental than physical. She’s going to be under a lot of pressure to do well, and it will be intensified if she watches the leaderboard a lot. But, I think the most pressure will be on the 1 or 2 male players that will be playing in her group. I definitely don’t envy those guys. She has stated she wants to see how she fares against the best. She has to believe that she has a decent chance of playing the weekend. The one knock against her game is she does not seem to perform at her peak at the big tournaments. In my opinion, I do not believe she will come close to making the cut even though she is my favorite LPGA player and I would love to watch her play the weekend. The "I think she is in for a big dose of reality" comment was my belief that where I feel she will finish, about 10 shots below the cut and where she thinks she will finish, around the cut or playing the weekend, are not the same. I just read that she has played a couple of rounds with T.W. and the rumor is she is about 10 stokes behind per round. I have not done any statistical analysis on where Tiger is in relation to the cut after round 2 but I am guessing on average he is not 20 strokes below the cut line. Finally, I do not believe the length of the course will be her biggest problem. I think tucked pins, deeper rough and faster greens will cause her more grief than length. She can practice from the tips anytime but the PGA is not going to get a course in PGA tourney condition for her to practice on. I had a guy tell me he shot a 78 @ Sahallee from the tips last fall… sure, without tucked pins, super fast greens and deep rough. Same course, not the same conditions. I hope she does well, I do not see it happening. Steve
Did you see her shooting 59? tim
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No matter how crappy Annika plays in the Colonial, there’s no reason to believe that Annika couldn’t make a decent living playing exclusively on the PGA Tour. On the other hand, if she does play even remotely decent, she will have proved that she can compete at the highest level.
She can only show that she can make a decent living on the PGA tour by actually making a cut and cashing a check which she has not done as of today and may or may not do @ Colonial. Lets not give her a PGA card just yet. The problem with the whole Colonial thing is this, its one tourney and just one one tourney. You can not judge a player on one round or one tourney. The media is going to look at how she does over 2 or 4 rounds and make a decision on how good she is compared to the PGA tour. If that was how it works then on April 14th 2003, the world golf rankings should have looked like: 1) M. Weir 2) L. Mattice 3) P. Mickelson 4) J. Furyk 5) J. Maggert If she beats one guy then she will automatically be labeled by the media as PGA Tour quality and there is always 1 guy out of the 150+ who shoots somewhere in the 160 range like fully exempt Fulton Allem 83-80, did last week. In order for her to show she really belongs on the PGA tour, she needs to qualify to play by either going through the regular qualifying routes or earn enough money with exemptions to finish in the top 125 in money. Do not read this as saying I do not think she should play Colonial, that is between her and the sponser who is giving the exemption. If she wants to play and can get an exemption, go for it. I have no problem with her playing. I am just not willing to say if she finishes above 1 PGA player in 1 tourney then that proves she belongs on the tour. Steve
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I don’t understand why this does anything to discredit the LPGA tour. Is it better left as a mystery how women will fare against men?
The people who object the most strongly say there is no mystery.
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Apparently she played Tiger in a friendly match, from the back tees, and lost by 10 shots. I’m willing to concede that Tiger plays to about a 68 so that puts Annika at about 75-78. She will be getting a lot of distracting media attention too. I wouldn’t be surprised to see her shoot an 80 in round one.
Any mere mortal male tour player could easily lose by 10 to TW. Annika is not trying to prove she can beat Tiger. If she misses the cut but finishes ahead of at least one tour player, I think she can accomplish what she set out to do. Just because the golf course looks the same doesn’t mean it is – the fairways the men play are softer, narrower and longer. The rough is deeper. The greens the men play on are *much* tougher, due to more swales and slopes and they are probably a lot faster.
Not all PGA courses are prepared this tough. Otherwise, you wouldn’t see -30 scores over 72 holes like Big Easy shot earlier this year. Secondly, not all PGA Tour players are successful on courses like these either. That’s why most PGA Tour players retire never having won a tournament. No matter how crappy Annika plays in the Colonial, there’s no reason to believe that Annika couldn’t make a decent living playing exclusively on the PGA Tour. On the other hand, if she does play even remotely decent, she will have proved that she can compete at the highest level. I wish her the best but I think she is in for a "reality check". She won’t be hitting the ball 275 when it only rolls 5 feet when it lands. Her chipping and putting better be *real* sharp because she will be hitting a lot of long irons and fairway woods for second shots. I’ll be amazed if she makes the cut and yes, this is a publicity stunt. She is about to trash the LPGA tour though.
Who cares if it’s a publicity stunt? The publicity stunt is being pulled by a sanctioned PGA tournament organizer. Annika wouldn’t be able to play if not for them. It’s not Annika’s stunt to pull. Are you saying if the Colonial granted you an exemption to play, you’d turn it down? I don’t understand why this does anything to discredit the LPGA tour. Is it better left as a mystery how women will fare against men? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just my two cents.
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Finally, I do not believe the length of the course will be her biggest problem. I think tucked pins, deeper rough and faster greens will cause her more grief than length. She can practice from the tips anytime but the PGA is not going to get a course in PGA tourney condition for her to practice on. I had a guy tell me he shot a 78 @ Sahallee from the tips last fall… sure, without tucked pins, super fast greens and deep rough. Same course, not the same conditions.
Her biggest problem will be whether she defines this as "a big tournament". If she can relax and play golf, she can make the cut. If she gets uptight, she likely won’t. We all know it’s a head trip.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What dose of reality are you talking about? You really think any seasoned professional golfer, male or female, is going to go into a tournament and be caught by surprise? This tournament is still going to be played on a golf course, right? It still has tee boxes and greens and rough on the sides and fairways in between. Sure the course will play longer than what she’s used to, but I’m sure she’s been practicing by playing long courses from the tips. She should know exactly how she expects to score playing on a longer course. I’m sure that a lot of people would agree that she’d actually do better if she didn’t try to push her driver too much and concentrated more on her short game. I see her having to save par on lot of the longer par 4s by chipping/pitching on and one-putting. I would say the biggest challenge she has is more mental than physical. She’s going to be under a lot of pressure to do well, and it will be intensified if she watches the leaderboard a lot. But, I think the most pressure will be on the 1 or 2 male players that will be playing in her group. I definitely don’t envy those guys.
Apparently she played Tiger in a friendly match, from the back tees, and lost by 10 shots. I’m willing to concede that Tiger plays to about a 68 so that puts Annika at about 75-78. She will be getting a lot of distracting media attention too. I wouldn’t be surprised to see her shoot an 80 in round one. Just because the golf course looks the same doesn’t mean it is – the fairways the men play are softer, narrower and longer. The rough is deeper. The greens the men play on are *much* tougher, due to more swales and slopes and they are probably a lot faster. I wish her the best but I think she is in for a "reality check". She won’t be hitting the ball 275 when it only rolls 5 feet when it lands. Her chipping and putting better be *real* sharp because she will be hitting a lot of long irons and fairway woods for second shots. I’ll be amazed if she makes the cut and yes, this is a publicity stunt. She is about to trash the LPGA tour though. Just my two cents.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What dose of reality are you talking about? You really think any seasoned professional golfer, male or female, is going to go into a tournament and be caught by surprise? This tournament is still going to be played on a golf course, right? It still has tee boxes and greens and rough on the sides and fairways in between. Sure the course will play longer than what she’s used to, but I’m sure she’s been practicing by playing long courses from the tips. She should know exactly how she expects to score playing on a longer course. I’m sure that a lot of people would agree that she’d actually do better if she didn’t try to push her driver too much and concentrated more on her short game. I see her having to save par on lot of the longer par 4s by chipping/pitching on and one-putting. I would say the biggest challenge she has is more mental than physical. She’s going to be under a lot of pressure to do well, and it will be intensified if she watches the leaderboard a lot. But, I think the most pressure will be on the 1 or 2 male players that will be playing in her group. I definitely don’t envy those guys.
She has stated she wants to see how she fares against the best. She has to believe that she has a decent chance of playing the weekend. The one knock against her game is she does not seem to perform at her peak at the big tournaments. In my opinion, I do not believe she will come close to making the cut even though she is my favorite LPGA player and I would love to watch her play the weekend. The "I think she is in for a big dose of reality" comment was my belief that where I feel she will finish, about 10 shots below the cut and where she thinks she will finish, around the cut or playing the weekend, are not the same. I just read that she has played a couple of rounds with T.W. and the rumor is she is about 10 stokes behind per round. I have not done any statistical analysis on where Tiger is in relation to the cut after round 2 but I am guessing on average he is not 20 strokes below the cut line. Finally, I do not believe the length of the course will be her biggest problem. I think tucked pins, deeper rough and faster greens will cause her more grief than length. She can practice from the tips anytime but the PGA is not going to get a course in PGA tourney condition for her to practice on. I had a guy tell me he shot a 78 @ Sahallee from the tips last fall… sure, without tucked pins, super fast greens and deep rough. Same course, not the same conditions. I hope she does well, I do not see it happening. Steve
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<<I think Vijay has it right. They have their tour and the men have theirs. She is taking a spot away from a legitimate contender who " qualified " to play in the tournament. No she didn’t. Everyone who "qualified" got a spot in the tournament if he wanted it. She received one of eight sponsor’s exemptions which go to people who otherwise didn’t qualify. Lee
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I hope she does well but I believe she will do well by missing the cut by less than 10 strokes. I think she is in for a big dose of reality. If I remember correctly the last time the PGA played this course, the cut was lower, in relation to par, than the winning score for the last time the LPGA played there. I want to say the PGA setup was 600 or 700 yards longer and was a par 70 to the LPGAs 72. That is what I read someplace a while back, I may be wrong.
What dose of reality are you talking about? You really think any seasoned professional golfer, male or female, is going to go into a tournament and be caught by surprise? This tournament is still going to be played on a golf course, right? It still has tee boxes and greens and rough on the sides and fairways in between. Sure the course will play longer than what she’s used to, but I’m sure she’s been practicing by playing long courses from the tips. She should know exactly how she expects to score playing on a longer course. I’m sure that a lot of people would agree that she’d actually do better if she didn’t try to push her driver too much and concentrated more on her short game. I see her having to save par on lot of the longer par 4s by chipping/pitching on and one-putting. I would say the biggest challenge she has is more mental than physical. She’s going to be under a lot of pressure to do well, and it will be intensified if she watches the leaderboard a lot. But, I think the most pressure will be on the 1 or 2 male players that will be playing in her group. I definitely don’t envy those guys.
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I think Vijay has it right. They have their tour and the men have theirs. She is taking a spot away from a legitimate contender who " qualified " to play in the tournament. Peter H
No he does not. The PGA Tour is an Open tour, if you have the game, come and play, no gender restrictions at all unlike the LPGA Tour. I hope she does well but I believe she will do well by missing the cut by less than 10 strokes. I think she is in for a big dose of reality. If I remember correctly the last time the PGA played this course, the cut was lower, in relation to par, than the winning score for the last time the LPGA played there. I want to say the PGA setup was 600 or 700 yards longer and was a par 70 to the LPGAs 72. That is what I read someplace a while back, I may be wrong. Steve
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This is just a ploy for more revenue. What would the viewership be without her, TW, Mike Weir, etc…
Who’s Mike Weir? 
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This is just a ploy for more revenue. What would the viewership be without her, TW, Mike Weir, etc… Of course it is. This is show biz, and the ratings earn the money. Is Vijay objecting to the money? It would be interesting if Annika made the cut, and got paired with Vijay. Would he really quit if that happened?
Oh my God! Golf on TV is a ploy for more revenue? Geez, I had no idea why they started putting funny letters like AT&T and HP in front of tournament names. Now I know. These guys running the tournaments are trying to make money! I have seen the light! Until now, I also had no idea that golf on TV is a vehicle for making the golf equipment manufacturers, golf courses, the USGA, and the PGA more money. Until now, I had no idea that showing elite golfers on TV as they earn millions of dollars per year drives the masses to play more golf and to groom their children to also play golf in someday fulfilling the same dream as the elite players. Until now, I had no idea that manufacturers pay professionals to use their equipment in hopes of getting the masses to also buy their equipment. Until now, I had no idea why Lefty wears a visor that says "BearingPoint". When did golf on TV all of a sudden become all about the money?
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I think Vijay has it right. They have their tour and the men have theirs. She is taking a spot away from a legitimate contender who " qualified " to play in the tournament.
No she’s not. Sponsor’s exemptions don’t go to people who qualified to play.
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And i wish her the very worse, the ugly bitch that she is. All I have to say.
Do you wish her the very worse (sic) because you don’t care for her looks? Kind of punishing her for not being attractive enough? So who do you find attractive enough that you want that person to win the Colonial? Vijay?
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I wish her the best as well. But, if I were a betting man, I would bet that she misses the cut. Sad but true. It seems to me that those in the know, know this is the most likely outcome. You can point to her driving distance, but, I think the men’s courses are so much tougher. It’s much harder to really go at the ball on the PGA. Look at it this way. Of all the guys on tour. Most miss the cut by less than a few strokes. There will be a few that have their blowup week on tour. But, these are just a handful of guys. My guess is, she’ll have a good week. Hope she has fun. Hit ‘em long and straight. With regards to "some guy gets left out". I would like to have seen the tournement managers say, "We’re adding one spot to the field, and therefore, Annika hasn’t deprived a more deserving male of a chance at earning a living." One harm could this have done? The lower end of the tour players are very, very good golfers. Annika just can’t beat enough of them. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well I would like to deposit my 1 cent opinion. I would be pleased if she makes the cut. The rules are the same for everyone, male / female…. And if she is competing with men and she would send some of the guys home I presume that they have to tell their folks back home something like "I have been hit out by a "girl"…. " Great story to tell your macho friends while playing pool. Stop crying Vijay and play like a man and for Annika good luck and don’t cry if you are home after two days.. Peavey (Peter) I think Vijay has it right. They have their tour and the men have theirs. She is taking a spot away from a legitimate contender who " qualified " to play in the tournament.
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This is just a ploy for more revenue. What would the viewership be without her, TW, Mike Weir, etc…
Of course it is. This is show biz, and the ratings earn the money. Is Vijay objecting to the money? It would be interesting if Annika made the cut, and got paired with Vijay. Would he really quit if that happened?
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All I have to say. tim
I think Vijay has it right. They have their tour and the men have theirs. She is taking a spot away from a legitimate contender who " qualified " to play in the tournament. Peter H
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Well I would like to deposit my 1 cent opinion. I would be pleased if she makes the cut. The rules are the same for everyone, male / female…. And if she is competing with men and she would send some of the guys home I presume that they have to tell their folks back home something like "I have been hit out by a "girl"…. " Great story to tell your macho friends while playing pool. Stop crying Vijay and play like a man and for Annika good luck and don’t cry if you are home after two days.. Peavey (Peter) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think Vijay has it right. They have their tour and the men have theirs. She is taking a spot away from a legitimate contender who " qualified " to play in the tournament.
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I want to know why she didn’t tee it up in Charlotte last weekend. Quail Hollow seems to have been a very good test of golf, not to mention 7400yds. The best comparison I can come up with is Lennox Lewis decides to fight Roy Jones Jr. Roy is arguably the best fighter of all time in his weight class(es), but in with a man who is 6 inches taller and 50lbs heavier and JUST AS SKILLED (as Annika may be),it is not a fair contest. This is just a ploy for more revenue. What would the viewership be without her, TW, Mike Weir, etc… However I will watch, and I do wish her the best as all the decisions have been made on this issue. mark from muskoka
All I have to say. tim I think Vijay has it right. They have their tour and the men have theirs. She is taking a spot away from a legitimate contender who " qualified " to play in the tournament. Peter H
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All I have to say. tim
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@verizon.net: All I have to say. tim
And i wish her the very worse, the ugly bitch that she is. All I have to say.