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I am sure this has been discussed before–but what about mock tee’s, like Duval wears. Obviously these must be termed "collared" or DD couldn’t wear them. Or does his status, money exempt him? Mark * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!
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This has been and no doubt will continue to be a very entertaining thread. Thank you to all the contributors. It has afforded me some good laughs. The most entertaining part for me has been the original posters rantings about his rights and desires with total disregard to time honored traditions, let alone time tested benefits.
Just because something is A "time honored tradition" doesn’t mean it is worth a pinch of coon crap in a thunderstorm. Kind of tells you alot right there. It’s as if he thinks he has thought of something no-one else has ever mentioned and is really confused as to why everyone isn’t applauding him. I really love it when someone is told NO when they are not used to it and there is nothing they can do about it because nothing will change except their intensity and sense of self righteousness. Good work, keep it up. Can’t wait to see his response to this. I’m sure it will certainly be self-centered opinion based soley on what he thinks as are all his other posts. I love the game..I love the tradition and that’s ‘my’ opinion.
I also love the game. I also love its history. History has its place and shouldn’t be forgotten but it I don’t think that we should worship it as some would have us do. — Ron Webb Ottawa, Ontario Canada
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Shirts don’t have to have collars. It is only the opinion of pompous assed fashion nazis who unfortunately lurk around golf courses. The only problem with this is that "shirts without collars" include t-shirts, some of which aren’t socially acceptable anywhere!! "Someone likes every shot" bk
Some t-shirts for sure fall into an unacceptable category, but I can’t remember even seeing more than a handful of those in my entire life and I don’t live a sheltered life by any means. — Ron Webb Ottawa, Ontario Canada
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After reading your messages, I’m almost, ALMOST ashame to be a Canadian. The evoporative effect CANCELS OUT the claim that collared shirts makes it "hotter" Seems to me that it isn’t us who have an ego problem, but rather yourself. Those who aren’t willing to conform to the opinion, or rules, or traditions set by the majority all seem to have such a problem.
That’s your prerogative. I just won’t be trampled upon by dumb-asses who blindly follow the rules or preach equally dumb politically correct clap-trap. — Ron Webb Ottawa, Ontario Canada
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The perfect case of someone who caught on to the game due to Tigermania. Golf is not a game for the masses, minigolf might be, but not golf. It’s a gentlemen’s game, and while the clothing we are wearing is not designed for physical exertion, golf is never a sport where one exerts a great deal physically anyhow. HOw much effort do you need to swing a club and walk for 6000+ yards for crying out loud. Can we please at least keep this sport where the "gangsta" image is kept out please. Last thing I need to see on a course is some kids with baggy jeans and FUBU tops. (I’m 21 btw, so don’t mistake me for some "senile" old man in their 80s)
The dress code is a policy created by snobs for snobs; nothing more and nothing less. — Ron Webb Ottawa, Ontario Canada
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And that might be part of the reason for doing it. Needless to say your stuck with it. Most golf clubs have some sort of rule regarding clothing, even if its a small community or public course. If you want to play your stuck abiding by their rules or don’t play. Its the same as having to wear whites at some tennis club.
The wearing of whites at tennis clubs used to be the norm but today most people have smartened up in the tennis world and dropped their snobbishness. The golf authorities are nearly as far behind the times as those in lawn bowling. I used to play tennis and yes I did wear whites according to the club rules but I wouldn’t accept the whites rule today as a condition of play. I would take my membership money and go elsewhere. During the warmer months of the year, I wear shorts and a tee shirt as my normal attire and if that bars me from using a recreational facility, I spend my money elsewhere. I do this because if I am not acceptable the way I am, I really don’t want to be associated in any way with those who have problems with the way I am. My physical comfort far out weighs any artificial snobbish dress code. — Ron Webb Ottawa, Ontario Canada
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Does the Collar on a knit shirt make it "Hotter?"
Yes it does. Do you comprehend the evaporative cooling effect of light weight cotton wicking sweat from the skin…Baketball gear is intended for EXTREME EXERTION…that’s not golf…
So what! I’d rather play with no shirt, which I have done on many occaisons. To play your best, you must look your best…
That is pure unadulterated bull shit. A bare chest may look fine on you…But truley, do you WANT to see some of
the more rotund golfers (I’m sureyou’ve noticed them around the course) letting it all hang out…? Today’s dress codes arn’t exclusionary…their purpose is just to limit distractions, bare chested Men and skimpily clad Women focus attention away from the game.
Some people are but ugly. Would you have some kind of code against ugly faces just because your sense of acceptability is in some way offended? It has caused some flak at certain courses. And I’ll bet the rules were clearly posted, but you ignored them. Why should I, or anyone else, be forced to wear a certain set of clothes to participate in a recreational activity? WHO is holding a gun to your head.?
By your responses it is plainly obvious that you would if you could. I know the answer already, ambience, and image. I just don’t understand why the game has to be snooty. I don’t understand WHY you think ambiance and image are snooty. Golf is a MENTAL game as much (more so for some) as it is physical. Mindset is critical and distractions can be painfully punishing.
Mindset is critical in most sports that I can think of. Noise and distractions are part of the game. Why are golfers so feeble minded that small distractions make them lose their limited sanity? I understand that the more snooty you are, the more money you can charge, and I understand that old, rich or wealthy men like to act snooty and be in snooty places. This seems to me to be exclusionary, which is the history of golf. That’s right…IT’S HISTORY…while a few dinosaurs remain in a few exclusive reserves, the bulk of todays golfing public is solid middle class.
Time marches on. Keep up with it or you end up just like the dinosaurs. Does anyone else find the policy somewhat exclusionary towards those who have less clothes, or money for clothes? Gimme a break…Can’t afford a $5 polo shirt from K-Mart?…You sure can’t afford the greens fees.
Who don’t gives you the right to tell me what I can wear just to participate in a recreational activity regardless of cost. You have a very inflated sense of ego. Those shirts have to be the most uncomfortable pieces if crap foisted on the public. Get a life. Golf is only a game. — Ron Webb Ottawa, Ontario Canada
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think that if you play the game ya gotta dress the right way. I usually play at a course where jeans are perfectly acceptable, but that doesn’t mean I look like a slob when I’m out there. Frankly, if some man on the course took his shirt off, I would be pretty offended, especially if it was beer guzzling Wisconsin dude. I will say that the one question I have always wondered about is the whole shirt with a collar thing. When I play in Virginia, many of the courses require a shirt with a collar. I understand that they really don’t want someone out there in a raggedy t-shirt or tank top, but, for women especially, we have plenty of simply lovely shirts that don’t have collars but are still attractive, functional and conservative in appearance (do I sound like an ad?)… So, why must shirts have collars??? Heather
Shirts don’t have to have collars. It is only the opinion of pompous assed fashion nazis who unfortunately lurk around golf courses. — Ron Webb Ottawa, Ontario Canada
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I believe that most course will allow women to wear non-collared shirts, as long as they look classy.
What fashion nazi is going to determine what is classy and what isn’t? What is and isn’t classy is a matter of personal opinion. — Ron Webb Ottawa, Ontario Canada
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And that might be part of the reason for doing it. Needless to say your stuck with it. Most golf clubs have some sort of rule regarding clothing, even if its a small community or public course. If you want to play your stuck abiding by their rules or don’t play. Its the same as having to wear whites at some tennis club.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am a relatively new golfer. This will be my second full season. I love the game, I’ve grown from laughing at people who watch it on TV to intently watching sometimes, especially majors, the Ryder Cup, etc. I am one of the "new breed" of golf fans and players that was in some part, spurred on by Tiger Woods and his fame. I knew about golf and golfers before Tiger, however, I just didn’t give the game a second look. I have some problems with the attire standards that most golf courses have. Not one person in this group can tell me that it’s more comfortable to wear slacks and a collared shirt than to wear basketball shorts and a t-shirt when the humidity and temperature are up. It strikes me as incredibly stupid to go out to play golf on a 90 degree day wearing khakis and a collared shirt. I’d rather play with no shirt, which I have done on many occaisons. It has caused some flak at certain courses. Aside from comfort issues relating to heat and humidity, what about the fact that you’re not wearing clothing designed for physical exertion. The range of motion and freeness of movement is not nearly as great in business casual as it is in athletic wear. Why should I, or anyone else, be forced to wear a certain set of clothes to participate in a recreational activity? I know the answer already, ambience, and image. I just don’t understand why the game has to be snooty. I understand that the more snooty you are, the more money you can charge, and I understand that old, rich or wealthy men like to act snooty and be in snooty places. This seems to me to be exclusionary, which is the history of golf. Does anyone else find the policy somewhat exclusionary towards those who have less clothes, or money for clothes? * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!
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Heather, My wife and I play in Virginia and I’m the only one in the family that has to wear a collar. They are generally not not required for women. There is one private club I know of in the area that requires collars for the women if the shirt is also sleeveless. The women must wear either collars or sleeves. When we go to a new course, if my wife is wearing an uncollared shirt, she will bring along a collared one just in case someone complains, but she’s never had to go change into it. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I think that if you play the game ya gotta dress the right way. I usually play at a course where jeans are perfectly acceptable, but that doesn’t mean I look like a slob when I’m out there. Frankly, if some man on the course took his shirt off, I would be pretty offended, especially if it was beer guzzling Wisconsin dude. I will say that the one question I have always wondered about is the whole shirt with a collar thing. When I play in Virginia, many of the courses require a shirt with a collar. I understand that they really don’t want someone out there in a raggedy t-shirt or tank top, but, for women especially, we have plenty of simply lovely shirts that don’t have collars but are still attractive, functional and conservative in appearance (do I sound like an ad?)… So, why must shirts have collars??? Heather
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snip< Not one person in this group can tell me that it’s more comfortable to wear slacks and a collared shirt than to wear basketball shorts and a t-shirt when the humidity and temperature are up. It strikes me as incredibly stupid to go out to play golf on a 90 degree day wearing khakis and a collared shirt. I’d rather play with no shirt, which I have done on many occaisons. It has caused some flak at certain courses.
If you’ve read the entire thread, several people alluded to some of the "whys" slacks can be more comfortable. If you play golf in the South, on the way to the course, look at the farmers down here. You won’t see any of them wearing shorts, and most of the time, short sleeves. You WILL see them wearing loose slacks, for the same reason(s). The key is, they’ve done this for generations, and for good reason: practicallity. Golf courses and clubs have always done the same. If this doesn’t appeal to your sensibilities, find one of those courses ‘in the hood’ and knock yourself out. Tom Jeffrey O