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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The real question is: Why, if he is only an entertainer, do so many of those on the left wet their pants over the popularity of his show, and why do they feel the need to defame those who enjoy the show? I know the answer, but doubt there is enough collective integrity on the left that the real answer will be forthcoming. Lon, who doesn’t expect an honest answer. (Taking up the liberal banner)- to be honest, I’m not sure that Rush *does* create a furor- at least around here he is dropping in popularity- the flamethrower station that carries him dropped him.         But.. my problem with Rush (and I used to listen to him quite a bit), is that in my eyes, he is a "pseudo conservative"- and rather than putting forth true conservative values, he is simply a mouthpiece of the GOP. My preferred talk show host (disclaimer- I no longer listen to talk radio)- is Chuck  Harder- he bashed Bush Sr. when he needed it, bashed Clinton when he needed it, and I’m certain he is bashing Bush Jr. when he needs it. — Chris Bryant Bryant RV Services- http://www.bryantrv.com On RVing-RV TV about RVs, by RVers: http://www.onrving.com

Chris, You echo my complaints regarding Rush. If that is taking up the liberal banner, I may need to re-evaluate my position. Lon

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Probably for the same reasons the right never liked the humor of George Carlin… digs ‘em where they live.. Mark I must not be the right (by your definition), since I like George Carlin. Lon

Well.. Carlin slaps the right around a lot… listen to his funny tirades on golf courses sometime.  The catch is, everyone knows he’s a comedian.  He’s introduced that way.  Some (most people, maybe), think Limbaugh is serious since his intros at one point were as "a political commentator".. Go figure… Mark

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Lon asks: The real question is: Why, if he is only an entertainer, do so many of those on the left wet their pants over the popularity of his show, and why do they feel the need to defame those who enjoy the show? Probably for the same reasons the right never liked the humor of George Carlin… digs ‘em where they live.. Mark

I must not be the right (by your definition), since I like George Carlin. Lon

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ace head sez: If possible I aways waste my vote on a Libertarian. Since they never get elected, I never have to take the heat from having helped elect the wrong crook.

You best be careful now… one of these days there might just be enough people who think that way to elect one of ‘em…  <grin  And if you thought the last Prez Election was wild in Florida, imagine the screaming, name-calling, and finger pointing if a Libertarian ever carries a state. Mark – who’d love to the look of suprise on ALL of the candidates faces…

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey Jynndi, Ya think Rush Limbaugh has ever changed anyone’s mind?  I don’t think so…  So why does he continue? ;-) He says he keeps doing it because he enjoys being "right so much". I suspect he also enjoys watching liberals react to truth as though they were vampires being exposed to light. Lon, who enjoys that as well. IMHO, and only my opinion, it is because he is an entertainer first and foremost, and makes lots of money. I don’t believe he has any scruples at all. Nor does he concern himself with the truth. Only the APPEARANCE of the truth. And lot’s of sheeple follow him. Since this is only my opinion, I could be wrong, and would take no offense at being proven such. Tom The real question is: Why, if he is only an entertainer, do so many of those on the left wet their pants over the popularity of his show, and why do they feel the need to defame those who enjoy the show? I know the answer, but doubt there is enough collective integrity on the left that the real answer will be forthcoming. Lon, who doesn’t expect an honest answer. Because those that even give a crap what RL says, (and most don’t) don’t like the mis-information, and black-and-white knee jerk reactions this guy spews forth. Next easy question….? Tom

Do try to change your pants more often. Lon

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Lon asks: The real question is: Why, if he is only an entertainer, do so many of those on the left wet their pants over the popularity of his show, and why do they feel the need to defame those who enjoy the show?

Probably for the same reasons the right never liked the humor of George Carlin… digs ‘em where they live.. Mark

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey Jynndi, Ya think Rush Limbaugh has ever changed anyone’s mind?  I don’t think so…  So why does he continue? ;-) He says he keeps doing it because he enjoys being "right so much". I suspect he also enjoys watching liberals react to truth as though they were vampires being exposed to light. Lon, who enjoys that as well. IMHO, and only my opinion, it is because he is an entertainer first and foremost, and makes lots of money. I don’t believe he has any scruples at all. Nor does he concern himself with the truth. Only the APPEARANCE of the truth. And lot’s of sheeple follow him. Since this is only my opinion, I could be wrong, and would take no offense at being proven such. Tom The real question is: Why, if he is only an entertainer, do so many of those on the left wet their pants over the popularity of his show, and why do they feel the need to defame those who enjoy the show? I know the answer, but doubt there is enough collective integrity on the left that the real answer will be forthcoming. Lon, who doesn’t expect an honest answer.

Because those that even give a crap what RL says, (and most don’t) don’t like the mis-information, and black-and-white knee jerk reactions this guy spews forth. Next easy question….? Tom

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I am working on them…to show them the true light…libertarian!!! <gr D*

If possible I aways waste my vote on a Libertarian. Since they never get elected, I never have to take the heat from having helped elect the wrong crook. For several weeks now this NG has been cluttered with OT posts re. the  topics in the title of this post. I, and many others, have prolonged the threads with our personal POVs. I’m convinced that this has NOT changed the positon of even one person

My policy is to only post on subjects that I’m an unquestioned expert on. If you vote then, I think you qualify as an expert in politics. I like the sound of my own voice, and I like it even more when I publish on the internet. That way my wisdom doesn’t just evaporate, its there forever.

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The real question is: Why, if he is only an entertainer, do so many of those on the left wet their pants over the popularity of his show, and why do they feel the need to defame those who enjoy the show? I know the answer, but doubt there is enough collective integrity on the left that the real answer will be forthcoming. Lon, who doesn’t expect an honest answer.

(Taking up the liberal banner)- to be honest, I’m not sure that Rush *does* create a furor- at least around here he is dropping in popularity- the flamethrower station that carries him dropped him.         But.. my problem with Rush (and I used to listen to him quite a bit), is that in my eyes, he is a "pseudo conservative"- and rather than putting forth true conservative values, he is simply a mouthpiece of the GOP. My preferred talk show host (disclaimer- I no longer listen to talk radio)- is Chuck  Harder- he bashed Bush Sr. when he needed it, bashed Clinton when he needed it, and I’m certain he is bashing Bush Jr. when he needs it. — Chris Bryant Bryant RV Services- http://www.bryantrv.com On RVing-RV TV about RVs, by RVers: http://www.onrving.com

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Hey Jynndi, Ya think Rush Limbaugh has ever changed anyone’s mind?  I don’t think so…  So why does he continue? ;-)

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Hey Jynndi, Ya think Rush Limbaugh has ever changed anyone’s mind?  I don’t think so…  So why does he continue? ;-) Ben

liberals.  I doubt he himself believes a word of the prattle he airs daily. He’s an entertainer who has found a niche.  He’s the consummate troll and the liberal folks keep biting while the dittos egg him on.  Really quite amusing. LZ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – For several weeks now this NG has been cluttered with OT posts re. the topics in the title of this post. I, and many others, have prolonged the threads with our personal POVs. I’m convinced that this has NOT changed the positon of even one person (certainly NOT mine). Since I have another life and can’t possibly keep up with all these OT posts, and  avoid the temptation to respond to many of them especially the ones with personal attacks, I have decided to ignore these OT posts and concentrate on the real reason I joined this NG. I’m sure some will consider this a victory and a surrender on my part, while others will consider it a betrayal of my positions…SO BE IT. BTW If any of you still harbor a desire to personally attack me, feel free to do it through Email….I will read them and possibly even respond. Thanks for all the courtesies extended to me while posting on these OTs. Digger, AKA Grumps (old and crusty) hometown.aol.com/jynndi/myhomepage/profile.html All errors; spilling, grimatical, ore tieping intenshunal.

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Hey Jynndi, Ya think Rush Limbaugh has ever changed anyone’s mind?  I don’t think so…  So why does he continue? ;-) He says he keeps doing it because he enjoys being "right so much". I suspect he also enjoys watching liberals react to truth as though they were vampires being exposed to light. Lon, who enjoys that as well.

IMHO, and only my opinion, it is because he is an entertainer first and foremost, and makes lots of money. I don’t believe he has any scruples at all. Nor does he concern himself with the truth. Only the APPEARANCE of the truth. And lot’s of sheeple follow him. Since this is only my opinion, I could be wrong, and would take no offense at being proven such. Tom

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey Jynndi, Ya think Rush Limbaugh has ever changed anyone’s mind?  I don’t think so…  So why does he continue? ;-) He says he keeps doing it because he enjoys being "right so much". I suspect he also enjoys watching liberals react to truth as though they were vampires being exposed to light. Lon, who enjoys that as well. IMHO, and only my opinion, it is because he is an entertainer first and foremost, and makes lots of money. I don’t believe he has any scruples at all. Nor does he concern himself with the truth. Only the APPEARANCE of the truth. And lot’s of sheeple follow him. Since this is only my opinion, I could be wrong, and would take no offense at being proven such. Tom

The real question is: Why, if he is only an entertainer, do so many of those on the left wet their pants over the popularity of his show, and why do they feel the need to defame those who enjoy the show? I know the answer, but doubt there is enough collective integrity on the left that the real answer will be forthcoming. Lon, who doesn’t expect an honest answer.

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  But think out of the box for a moment, why does anyone voice their opinion at all to people they don’t even now? Is it to change the others mind? Not me!

Snip I DO know that truth will reinforce or alter the position of those who actually seek it. The key is that they have to SEEK it.

I agree with the above. Also, by discussing it, it helps reinforce the truth. Ben

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Hey Jynndi, Ya think Rush Limbaugh has ever changed anyone’s mind?  I don’t think so…  So why does he continue? ;-)

Actually, Rush has changed alot of people’s minds.  Usually at first, they just hate him on general principles until the listen for 5 or 6 weeks.    I have several friends who were like that.  Former flaming liberals who saw the futility of the "liberal agenda" and are now conservative.   I am working on them…to show them the true light…libertarian!!! <gr D* – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Ben For several weeks now this NG has been cluttered with OT posts re. the topics in the title of this post. I, and many others, have prolonged the threads with our personal POVs. I’m convinced that this has NOT changed the positon of even one person (certainly NOT mine). Since I have another life and can’t possibly keep up with all these OT posts, and  avoid the temptation to respond to many of them especially the ones with personal attacks, I have decided to ignore these OT posts and concentrate on the real reason I joined this NG. I’m sure some will consider this a victory and a surrender on my part, while others will consider it a betrayal of my positions…SO BE IT. BTW If any of you still harbor a desire to personally attack me, feel free to do it through Email….I will read them and possibly even respond. Thanks for all the courtesies extended to me while posting on these OTs.

Qualem blennum!

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Hey Jynndi, Ya think Rush Limbaugh has ever changed anyone’s mind?  I don’t think so…  So why does he continue? ;-)

He says he keeps doing it because he enjoys being "right so much". I suspect he also enjoys watching liberals react to truth as though they were vampires being exposed to light. Lon, who enjoys that as well.

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  But think out of the box for a moment, why does anyone voice their opinion at all to people they don’t even now? Is it to change the others mind?

Not me! If I were trying to change the mind of a liberal, I would have to make up stories about little kids and kittens being hurt, so the discussion would take a turn they would understand. I just enjoy tweaking them and hearing/seeing them squeal. I suffer from no illusion that truth will affect their thinking (sic). I DO know that truth will reinforce or alter the position of those who actually seek it. The key is that they have to SEEK it. The liberals will continue to propagate lies about Rush Limbaugh without even bothering to listen to his show. In the end, those lies will destroy them just as Bill Clinton’s lies will be the historical story of his Presidency. Sooner or later, truth almost always wins out and liars are known to be just what they are. Lon, who enjoys the show in spite of Rush being a Statist who is advancing the cause of BIG GOVERNMENT.

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Hey Jynndi, Ya think Rush Limbaugh has ever changed anyone’s mind?  I don’t think so…  So why does he continue? ;-) Ben

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – For several weeks now this NG has been cluttered with OT posts re. the topics in the title of this post. I, and many others, have prolonged the threads with our personal POVs. I’m convinced that this has NOT changed the positon of even one person (certainly NOT mine). Since I have another life and can’t possibly keep up with all these OT posts, and  avoid the temptation to respond to many of them especially the ones with personal attacks, I have decided to ignore these OT posts and concentrate on the real reason I joined this NG. I’m sure some will consider this a victory and a surrender on my part, while others will consider it a betrayal of my positions…SO BE IT. BTW If any of you still harbor a desire to personally attack me, feel free to do it through Email….I will read them and possibly even respond. Thanks for all the courtesies extended to me while posting on these OTs. Digger, AKA Grumps (old and crusty) hometown.aol.com/jynndi/myhomepage/profile.html All errors; spilling, grimatical, ore tieping intenshunal.

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Hey Jynndi, Ya think Rush Limbaugh has ever changed anyone’s mind?  I don’t think so…  So why does he continue? ;-)

Because he makes a s—load of money at it. We don’t. Tom

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Hey Jynndi, Ya think Rush Limbaugh has ever changed anyone’s mind?  I don’t think so…  So why does he continue? ;-) Because he makes a s—load of money at it. We don’t.

And I knew someone would come back with that answer..  And it’s probably true.. ;-)   But think out of the box for a moment, why does anyone voice their opinion at all to people they don’t even now? Is it to change the others mind? Ben – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Tom

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For several weeks now this NG has been cluttered with OT posts re. the topics in the title of this post. I, and many others, have prolonged the threads with our personal POVs. I’m convinced that this has NOT changed the positon of even one person (certainly NOT mine). Since I have another life and can’t possibly keep up with all these OT posts, and  avoid the temptation to respond to many of them especially the ones with personal attacks, I have decided to ignore these OT posts and concentrate on the real reason I joined this NG. I’m sure some will consider this a victory and a surrender on my part, while others will consider it a betrayal of my positions…SO BE IT. BTW If any of you still harbor a desire to personally attack me, feel free to do it through Email….I will read them and possibly even respond. Thanks for all the courtesies extended to me while posting on these OTs. Digger, AKA Grumps (old and crusty) hometown.aol.com/jynndi/myhomepage/profile.html All errors; spilling, grimatical, ore tieping intenshunal.

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Digger, AKA Grumps (old and crusty) writes: <departure lecture snipped You are a smart man.  Slap the hornet’s nest, then run off. E mail you?  Bwahahahahahahahaha ! ! Steve                ~ Illegitimi Non Carborundum ~

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – For several weeks now this NG has been cluttered with OT posts re. the topics in the title of this post. I, and many others, have prolonged the threads with our personal POVs. I’m convinced that this has NOT changed the positon of even one person (certainly NOT mine). Since I have another life and can’t possibly keep up with all these OT posts, and  avoid the temptation to respond to many of them especially the ones with personal attacks, I have decided to ignore these OT posts and concentrate on the real reason I joined this NG. I’m sure some will consider this a victory and a surrender on my part, while others will consider it a betrayal of my positions…SO BE IT. BTW If any of you still harbor a desire to personally attack me, feel free to do it through Email….I will read them and possibly even respond. Thanks for all the courtesies extended to me while posting on these OTs. Digger, AKA Grumps (old and crusty) hometown.aol.com/jynndi/myhomepage/profile.html All errors; spilling, grimatical, ore tieping intenshunal.

Thomas Jefferson might have had the best response to all these posts regarding religion. "our particular principles of religion are a subject of accountability to our god alone. I enquire after no man’s and trouble none with mine; nor is it given to us in this life to know whether yours or mine, our friend’s or our foe’s, are exactly the right."    Thomas Jefferson to Miles King, September 26, 1814 Lon

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – For several weeks now this NG has been cluttered with OT posts re. the topics in the title of this post. I, and many others, have prolonged the threads with our personal POVs. I’m convinced that this has NOT changed the positon of even one person (certainly NOT mine). Since I have another life and can’t possibly keep up with all these OT posts, and  avoid the temptation to respond to many of them especially the ones with personal attacks, I have decided to ignore these OT posts and concentrate on the real reason I joined this NG. I’m sure some will consider this a victory and a surrender on my part, while others will consider it a betrayal of my positions…SO BE IT. BTW If any of you still harbor a desire to personally attack me, feel free to do it through Email….I will read them and possibly even respond. Thanks for all the courtesies extended to me while posting on these OTs. Digger, AKA Grumps (old and crusty) hometown.aol.com/jynndi/myhomepage/profile.html All errors; spilling, grimatical, ore tieping intenshunal. Thomas Jefferson might have had the best response to all these posts regarding religion. "our particular principles of religion are a subject of accountability to our god alone. I enquire after no man’s and trouble none with mine; nor is it given to us in this life to know whether yours or mine, our friend’s or our foe’s, are exactly the right."    Thomas Jefferson to Miles King, September 26, 1814

Hmmm, "Don’t ask, don’t tell" has been around awhile, huh? cheers bob

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For several weeks now this NG has been cluttered with OT posts re. the topics in the title of this post. I, and many others, have prolonged the threads with our personal POVs. I’m convinced that this has NOT changed the positon of even one person (certainly NOT mine). Since I have another life and can’t possibly keep up with all these OT posts, and  avoid the temptation to respond to many of them especially the ones with personal attacks, I have decided to ignore these OT posts and concentrate on the real reason I joined this NG. I’m sure some will consider this a victory and a surrender on my part, while others will consider it a betrayal of my positions…SO BE IT. BTW If any of you still harbor a desire to personally attack me, feel free to do it through Email….I will read them and possibly even respond. Thanks for all the courtesies extended to me while posting on these OTs.

I’ve traveled thousands of miles back and forth across this great country in our TurtleTop conversion van, and occasionally feel qualified enough to respond to on-topic questions and comments.  However, I have to confess that I particularly enjoy the OT side of this NG.  Assuming Jynndi means what he posted, I’ll miss his comments and input to the OT’s .  I hope the rest of you barrack philosophers are of a different opinion regarding OT postings. I do believe messages get out of hand occasionally and posters end up being targeted on a personal basis, but this is the risk we have to take if we want a dynamic NG unfettered by too strict censorship! Rick J.

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