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How was Newport? What did you do there? I saw an article in Pilot Getaways about Newport but they can make anywhere sound great. Mike MU-2
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – For only the second time in 4 years I got to fly are real miss Saturday!!! I was flying into Newport, OR (ONP) and got to DH and could barely make out the numbers. But there was no way I had the horizontal visibility required. So it was a miss and back to the LOM to hold. I diverted to Corvalis (CVO) where the weather was 3000 OVC. We landed and drove the 40 miles to Newport. This is an very eventful trip that saw a partial decompression of the cabin, and failure of the #1 NAV of the Garmin 430. Luckly the decompression occured at 16,000 and I could descend to 12,000 easily. Also, the #2 Nav has a Ki-209 indicator with a Glideslope. Thank god my instructor drilled into me that you always tune both navs to the ILS frequency. jerry
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Hi Mike, This is the 3rd or 4th time I have been to Newport. The scenery is fantastic. Lots of lighthouses and beaches. There are several beaches that are miles long and 1/2 mile across. Even on Labor day the beaches were not crowded. In Newport you can visit the Oregon Coast aquarium. It’s a smaller sized aquarium with some amazing displays including a tunnel with a plexiglass floor. The fish swim all around you! They also have the Bayfront area which is a little touristy, but still fun. Prices for hotels range from $50 to whatever. We stayed at a place on the beach for $120/night. There are also a couple of golf courses in the area. The airport is nice and has a 5000+ runway with an ILS. Unfortunately even with the ILS some days are too low. But, this is the only time I have not been able to land at Newport. The FBO is called COCAS. They are nice people and can arrange for rental cars. All in all it’s a great place to kick back and get away from some of the summer heat. jerry
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – How was Newport? What did you do there? I saw an article in Pilot Getaways about Newport but they can make anywhere sound great. Mike MU-2 For only the second time in 4 years I got to fly are real miss Saturday!!! I was flying into Newport, OR (ONP) and got to DH and could barely make out the numbers. But there was no way I had the horizontal visibility required. So it was a miss and back to the LOM to hold. I diverted to Corvalis (CVO) where the weather was 3000 OVC. We landed and drove the 40 miles to Newport. This is an very eventful trip that saw a partial decompression of the cabin, and failure of the #1 NAV of the Garmin 430. Luckly the decompression occured at 16,000 and I could descend to 12,000 easily. Also, the #2 Nav has a Ki-209 indicator with a Glideslope. Thank god my instructor drilled into me that you always tune both navs to the ILS frequency. jerry
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winter + Central Valley = missed. I was born and raised in Fresno and remember having 200 OVC for weeks on end.
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sounds like you live in an IFR heaven and have no problem getting actual, lucky you… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – winter + Central Valley = missed. I was born and raised in Fresno and remember having 200 OVC for weeks on end.
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Another difference is our summer weather here on the West coast tends to have a long fog bank that extends on the coast from Canada to Los Angeles. It is right along the coast. 20 miles inland it is CAVU. In fact, at my house in the SF Bay area I haven’t seen rain since May and don’t expect any until October. This lets us launch VFR and then dip over to the coast for some IFR practice. You should see all the planes lined up for the ILS at Monterey on a Saturday morning. jerry
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I generally do not do an approach if the weather is reported below minimums. The vast majority of the airports I fly to have an ILS which is the case with Newport. In fact, I guess less than 30% of the approaches I have flown where non-precision. This may be because I usually fly a twin and prefer a 4000′ runway.
That explains our differing experiences, I think. I might go flying during weather when the wx is below minimums, so long as I’ve got a good alternate. When wx is reported below precision minimums, however, I frequently won’t fly because that condition is often so widespread that I won’t have a good alternate. On the recent day I did fly with the BHB wx at 100 1/4 when I left, I knew it would be improving in an hour or so, there were good alternates within 75 miles, I wanted to do an approach to minimums, and it was time to get some holding practice. For real misses have become more common for me lately with my move to EPM. EPM has an NDB approach with a 600′ MDA. There is no nearby weather available, and the local weather is frequently unknown. Heck, yesterday the FSS, looking a satellite shots, thought that clouds did not start until east of EPM and that EPM was clear. The broken undercast began about 40 miles west of EPM, and an NDB approach was necessary to get down. Best, Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)
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It is easy to get into a missed approach situation at Watsonville because it has no ILS and most days the marine layer won’t let you get under the LOC minimums. I had the pleasure last year; diverted to Salinas. Another real miss was on my checkride in winter over the Ca Central Valley (Oakdale, I think). Good thing the other events turned out OK. Sriram – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – For only the second time in 4 years I got to fly are real miss Saturday!!! I was flying into Newport, OR (ONP) and got to DH and could barely make out the numbers. But there was no way I had the horizontal visibility required. So it was a miss and back to the LOM to hold. I diverted to Corvalis (CVO) where the weather was 3000 OVC. We landed and drove the 40 miles to Newport. This is an very eventful trip that saw a partial decompression of the cabin, and failure of the #1 NAV of the Garmin 430. Luckly the decompression occured at 16,000 and I could descend to 12,000 easily. Also, the #2 Nav has a Ki-209 indicator with a Glideslope. Thank god my instructor drilled into me that you always tune both navs to the ILS frequency. jerry
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Minden was 82 at 11:30 so I’d guess that it reached 90F. Anyway I’ll take it as cool as I can get it! (and so will Yukon). Mike MU-2
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Heck Mike, it only got to 78 here in Pleasanton. I bet it was colder up a Minden. It is 66F right now (11:30AM). It is considerably cooler (over 5F) on this side of the lake than in Sandpoint. Mike MU-2 Thanks for the pirep! We bought a place on the lake near Sandpoint ID and are spending the summer here to beat the heat! Beat the heat?!? We were in the area a few weeks ago and it wasn’t much cooler there than it was down south. Even the wolves at the Wolf Store were refusing to move from the shade.
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The reason I did the ILS at Newport was that the AWOS was reporting 800 feet. Had it been below minimums (250) I would have diverted. However, when I hit 400 AGL with no contact I knew the AWOS was screwy.
The AWOS at ONP does seem to be rather "optimistic" during low ceilings. My very first "ILS to minimums without my CFII sitting in the right set" approach was at ONP. The AWOS was reporting 800 overcast, and had been for at least 20 minutes. And I agree with Jerry — Newport is one of my favorite destinations. KM
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Jerry, are you a plant for the newport chamber of commerce?!
Nope. I just like the place.
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For only the second time in 4 years I got to fly are real miss Saturday!!!
Jerry, Do you fly commercially or do you similarly not start an approach if the reported weather is below minimums? Here in the NE a missed approach flown to minimums has not been uncommon for me in non-commercial flying, especially for non-precision approaches. Usually I can’t see anything. However, I’ve only had to do one for real missed approach on an ILS approach to minimums. I sort of expected it, but knew the weather would improve in a bit, so I went back to the FAF and held for a 1/2 hour. Best, Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)
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I generally do not do an approach if the weather is reported below minimums. The vast majority of the airports I fly to have an ILS which is the case with Newport. In fact, I guess less than 30% of the approaches I have flown where non-precision. This may be because I usually fly a twin and prefer a 4000′ runway. The reason I did the ILS at Newport was that the AWOS was reporting 800 feet. Had it been below minimums (250) I would have diverted. However, when I hit 400 AGL with no contact I knew the AWOS was screwy. jerry
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Heck Mike, it only got to 78 here in Pleasanton. I bet it was colder up a Minden.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It is 66F right now (11:30AM). It is considerably cooler (over 5F) on this side of the lake than in Sandpoint. Mike MU-2 Thanks for the pirep! We bought a place on the lake near Sandpoint ID and are spending the summer here to beat the heat! Beat the heat?!? We were in the area a few weeks ago and it wasn’t much cooler there than it was down south. Even the wolves at the Wolf Store were refusing to move from the shade.
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Thanks for the pirep! We bought a place on the lake near Sandpoint ID and are spending the summer here to beat the heat!
Beat the heat?!? We were in the area a few weeks ago and it wasn’t much cooler there than it was down south. Even the wolves at the Wolf Store were refusing to move from the shade.
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It is 66F right now (11:30AM). It is considerably cooler (over 5F) on this side of the lake than in Sandpoint. Mike MU-2 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks for the pirep! We bought a place on the lake near Sandpoint ID and are spending the summer here to beat the heat! Beat the heat?!? We were in the area a few weeks ago and it wasn’t much cooler there than it was down south. Even the wolves at the Wolf Store were refusing to move from the shade.
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Jerry, are you a plant for the newport chamber of commerce?! i couldn’t agree with you more. I grew up in the newport/corvallis area, and did my PPL while in school up in portland. have many good memories of flights around the willamette valley and the coast. nothing is better than a summer run in the late afternoon/evening from astoria to newport. good place to practice x-winds too. now that i’m in salt lake, i appreciate "god’s country" even more, and can’t wait to get back (i’ll return with an instrument rating, though – take the checkride in a couple of weeks) phil
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Nasty! I wonder if the chamber of commerce knows how much business the town loses when the airport is out of commission. Also, made me wonder if the numbers are "threshold markings" that you can use as cues to descend from DH.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Lights are OTS by NOTAM. No approach lights at ONP? For only the second time in 4 years I got to fly are real miss Saturday!!! I was flying into Newport, OR (ONP) and got to DH and could barely make out the numbers. But there was no way I had the horizontal visibility required. So it was a miss and back to the LOM to hold. I diverted to Corvalis (CVO) where the weather was 3000 OVC. We landed and drove the 40 miles to Newport. This is an very eventful trip that saw a partial decompression of the cabin, and failure of the #1 NAV of the Garmin 430. Luckly the decompression occured at 16,000 and I could descend to 12,000 easily. Also, the #2 Nav has a Ki-209 indicator with a Glideslope. Thank god my instructor drilled into me that you always tune both navs to the ILS frequency. jerry
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Thanks for the pirep! We bought a place on the lake near Sandpoint ID and are spending the summer here to beat the heat! I will checkout Newport next summer when the kids learn to swim. Mike MU-2
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Mike, This is the 3rd or 4th time I have been to Newport. The scenery is fantastic. Lots of lighthouses and beaches. There are several beaches that are miles long and 1/2 mile across. Even on Labor day the beaches were not crowded. In Newport you can visit the Oregon Coast aquarium. It’s a smaller sized aquarium with some amazing displays including a tunnel with a plexiglass floor. The fish swim all around you! They also have the Bayfront area which is a little touristy, but still fun. Prices for hotels range from $50 to whatever. We stayed at a place on the beach for $120/night. There are also a couple of golf courses in the area. The airport is nice and has a 5000+ runway with an ILS. Unfortunately even with the ILS some days are too low. But, this is the only time I have not been able to land at Newport. The FBO is called COCAS. They are nice people and can arrange for rental cars. All in all it’s a great place to kick back and get away from some of the summer heat. jerry How was Newport? What did you do there? I saw an article in Pilot Getaways about Newport but they can make anywhere sound great. Mike MU-2 For only the second time in 4 years I got to fly are real miss Saturday!!! I was flying into Newport, OR (ONP) and got to DH and could barely make out the numbers. But there was no way I had the horizontal visibility required. So it was a miss and back to the LOM to hold. I diverted to Corvalis (CVO) where the weather was 3000 OVC. We landed and drove the 40 miles to Newport. This is an very eventful trip that saw a partial decompression of the cabin, and failure of the #1 NAV of the Garmin 430. Luckly the decompression occured at 16,000 and I could descend to 12,000 easily. Also, the #2 Nav has a Ki-209 indicator with a Glideslope. Thank god my instructor drilled into me that you always tune both navs to the ILS frequency. jerry
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Lights are OTS by NOTAM.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – No approach lights at ONP? For only the second time in 4 years I got to fly are real miss Saturday!!! I was flying into Newport, OR (ONP) and got to DH and could barely make out the numbers. But there was no way I had the horizontal visibility required. So it was a miss and back to the LOM to hold. I diverted to Corvalis (CVO) where the weather was 3000 OVC. We landed and drove the 40 miles to Newport. This is an very eventful trip that saw a partial decompression of the cabin, and failure of the #1 NAV of the Garmin 430. Luckly the decompression occured at 16,000 and I could descend to 12,000 easily. Also, the #2 Nav has a Ki-209 indicator with a Glideslope. Thank god my instructor drilled into me that you always tune both navs to the ILS frequency. jerry
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No approach lights at ONP?
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – For only the second time in 4 years I got to fly are real miss Saturday!!! I was flying into Newport, OR (ONP) and got to DH and could barely make out the numbers. But there was no way I had the horizontal visibility required. So it was a miss and back to the LOM to hold. I diverted to Corvalis (CVO) where the weather was 3000 OVC. We landed and drove the 40 miles to Newport. This is an very eventful trip that saw a partial decompression of the cabin, and failure of the #1 NAV of the Garmin 430. Luckly the decompression occured at 16,000 and I could descend to 12,000 easily. Also, the #2 Nav has a Ki-209 indicator with a Glideslope. Thank god my instructor drilled into me that you always tune both navs to the ILS frequency. jerry
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For only the second time in 4 years I got to fly are real miss Saturday!!! I was flying into Newport, OR (ONP) and got to DH and could barely make out the numbers. But there was no way I had the horizontal visibility required. So it was a miss and back to the LOM to hold. I diverted to Corvalis (CVO) where the weather was 3000 OVC. We landed and drove the 40 miles to Newport. This is an very eventful trip that saw a partial decompression of the cabin, and failure of the #1 NAV of the Garmin 430. Luckly the decompression occured at 16,000 and I could descend to 12,000 easily. Also, the #2 Nav has a Ki-209 indicator with a Glideslope. Thank god my instructor drilled into me that you always tune both navs to the ILS frequency. jerry