5-somes

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I’ve seen quite a few 5-somes play, and I have never yet seen one of these groups comprised of decent golfers you haven’t golfed enough then. I’ve been playing this game for 42 years, on both sides of the Atlantic, so I think I’ve seen enough.

I’ve seen fivesomes of all types, but I don’t believe I’ve ever seen a fivesome out on a crowded course that wasn’t slowing things up somehow or at the least radiating bad golf karma. If there’s enough gaps to play through, I don’t care if people play in snowman-somes. -joseph

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what are you saying? that a foursome is the only way you can play "real golf"? what exactly is it that makes a 5some NOT be playing "golf"?

No, that a foursome is the maximum amount of players in a match. I just don’t like the idea of 5-somes OK?? Particularly when they are holding up the course. [...]snip every 5some that plays our course is warned by the pro in the pro shop, the guy that sends them to the tee box, and then the starter that if they don’t keep pace, they will be split up or have to skip holes. they’ve accepted the chance that they might have to skip holes before they tee off. every group that plays our course has to accept the possibility that they might have to skip a hole or two if they fall behind pace. 5some, 4some, 3some, 2some, or single, if you fall behind pace something will be done to speed you up.

Again, I applaud your course’s devotion to improving pace of play. Can I take it then, that your course has an established time limit per hole, regardless of number of players in the group, and that say, by the 5th hole everyone should have completed it in 1hr 5mins or something?? [snip.....] if you’ve never seen a 5some of good golfers, then your experience with 5somes is limited. i’ve been golfing for 11 years and marshalling for two years. i’ve seen more 5somes that you probably ever will.

Yes, you probably will see more fivesomes than I ever will, and I certainly hope you continue to do so. I can only relate my own experience with what I have seen and what is permitted on most gof courses i have played. It would appear to be more prevalent in N.America, than Europe and other parts of the golfing world. Most golf courses do not allow 5somes, under any circumstances, and that’s good. however, don’t bash those courses that do allow 5somes just because you think that all 5somes are slow hackers.

No charlie, it is just that every 5some I have seen have been slow hackers. One’s opinion is formulated by one’s experience and mine has not been positive when it comes to 5somes. I have already expressed my views on what I consider the appropriate number of golfers in a group. I still maintain that it is greed and indifference on the part of the course operator. It is obvious that your course is different, in that pace of play is actually enforced, however although many courses have marshalls, generally their effectiveness is moderate, at best. charlie, when you say "limited experience" I take exception to that – what you might consider is that my experience extends a little further than your little backwater. i say "limited experience" and you flame back with "little backwater". that’s pretty good.

I thought it was – thanks!! If you are going to give one you’d better be able to take one, IMHO!!! i don’t care how long you’ve been golfing or how many different places you’ve played, if you’ve never seen a 5some comprised of good golfers, then you have "limited experience" with 5somes.

Ah, …but the lack of seeing good golfers in a 5 some is experience in itself, as is 5 somes not permitted on golf courses, thereby reducing my chances of *ever* observing "good" golfers in said 5some. Fact is, charlie, I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on 5somes. I think they do not belong and you state a case for them. David RSG Roll Call http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/sneddond.htm

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Being behind a 5-some that is concerned about pace of play is 100 times better than being behind a foursome who isn’t. Slow play is a people problem, more than a number problem. Everybody seems to think their pace of play is the *right* one, and they have paid good money for the right to play at their own pace. It’s the chuckleheads who circle each putt like they’re Jack Nicklaus and it’s Sunday on the 18th at Augusta that turn a breezy four hour round into a laborious, disjointed five hour death march. One or two of these thoughtless fussbutts in a foursome can constipate the whole course. I’m lucky enough to play on an often empty track, and occasionally we’ll group six guys together just for the fun of it. (Nobody else out there, and a mix of handicaps, carters and walkers, playing ready golf). We have no trouble at all getting around in 3 1/2 hours, because we miss `em quick. As a single walker, 9 Hdcp, on this empty course, three hours is humping it pretty good. That’s about the same pace as a twosome in a cart. The companionship of the jumbo group cost us about half an hour. That said, we would NEVER do this if the course started to fill up. It just doesn’t LOOK right, and the extra half hour is unfair to that twosome in a cart. It’s simple, really. Hustle up and keep your eyes behind you. If you’re holding up someone’s play, as a single or a 6-some, get the hell out of the way. Busy tracks should be able to afford Marshalls and time points designed to result in a four hour round (resulting probably in an altogether acceptable 4-1/2 hour round). They should use them. If you’re on your time point, and on pace with the group in front of you, then I don’t see a 5-some as being much of a problem. Unless of course, they all think they’re Nicklaus. * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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OK…… If golf was meant to be played by 5somes then we would yell "Five" when the ball was flying near another golfer. Beat that one charlie!!!!

i surrender ;( i cannot refute an argument like that. charlie Before you buy.

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<snip Thanks for sharing guys. Showing this kind of class, I can guarantee that you don’t have to worry about fivesomes. You’ll always be a single. "Someone likes MOST shots" bk

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Seriously, though, I think I have made my stand on this issue quite clear – from where I was brought up and played and where I continue to play now, a fivesome is not a "golf grouping". It bothers me from a personal viewpoint of the character of the game, and I do admit I am very much a traditionalist when it comes to attire, manners, and etiquette on the course. David

I suppose a quiet fart while putting would also bother people of a traditionalist nature, or then again maybe they never-ever fart. I can’t see why a group of 5 would appear any more out of place than a single or a group of 2 or 3 to some kind of traditionalist. Think about what would happen if a course were to allow only 4 somes. A 3some would have to sit around until some single showed up even when the course was empty. I’m glad the course managers around here have a few more grey cells than that, or we wouldn’t have golf courses any more. You have made a wrong assumption, Dave. I have absolutely no objection to singles/twosomes/threesomes on the golf course. The odd quiet fart is perfectly acceptable, provided the fartor is downwind from the fartee. And another point to ponder is: "If you fart in the woods and no one is there – does it really smell?". Farting is as natural as…. as…..well, farting, so I see no need to ban farting outright or even, say a 2 shot penalty (loss of hole in Match Play), provided one doesn’t fart in the middle of your opponents swing. You might have just started a completly new thread. David — RSG Roll Call http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/sneddond.htm

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OK…… If golf was meant to be played by 5somes then we would yell "Five" when the ball was flying near another golfer. Beat that one charlie!!!! Seriously, though, I think I have made my stand on this issue quite clear – from where I was brought up and played and where I continue to play now, a fivesome is not a "golf grouping". It bothers me from a personal viewpoint of the character of the game, and I do admit I am very much a traditionalist when it comes to attire, manners, and etiquette on the course.

I our views are very much the same, David. I just sort this into two aspects: 1) that there even ARE 5somes as I was always taught that it was a HUGE no-no and, 2) whether or not 5somes slow play, etc. To be honest, I’m still staggering over that first hump! Yikes. Bruce RSG Roll Call: http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/newmanb.htm

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Sorry – but wolf or whatever other game you play isn’t golf IMHO. A foursome is a match not a fivesome, again that is my opinion and I believe that I am as entitled to it as you are to yours..

what are you saying? that a foursome is the only way you can play "real golf"? what exactly is it that makes a 5some NOT be playing "golf"? that we do make sure that the 5some keeps pace. if they do get behind, they will either skip holes or be split into a 2some and a 3some. Skipping holes wouldn’t make me very happy and I’m sure it dsoesn’t make your 5some very happy either.

every 5some that plays our course is warned by the pro in the pro shop, the guy that sends them to the tee box, and then the starter that if they don’t keep pace, they will be split up or have to skip holes. they’ve accepted the chance that they might have to skip holes before they tee off. every group that plays our course has to accept the possibility that they might have to skip a hole or two if they fall behind pace. 5some, 4some, 3some, 2some, or single, if you fall behind pace something will be done to speed you up. I applaud the fact that your course keeps a tight check on pace of play, but I’d think that if you are allowing 5somes you had better.

like i said, 5somes are discouraged but allowed and they are certainly monitored pretty closely. Speaking of keeping them happy – what about a fourball behind them who are being held up – are they happy???

the 5some will be on pace. if the 4some is unhappy about waiting on a group that is on pace, then they need to learn some patience. I’m sureyou do your best to keep pace of play moving along but other than followingthe group hole by hole

i’ve had to do that before. many golfers will play faster when a marshal is sitting there watching them for a few holes in a row. many golfers will also get pissed at a marshal watching them. however, like i said before, when they tee off, they’ve accepted our pace of play policy. – is it worth the effort especially if you are going to split them up into a 3 and a 2 anyway.

we put forth that effort for any slow group no matter how many are in the group so it’s nothing extra for us. I’ve seen quite a few 5-somes play, and I have never yet seen one of these groups comprised of decent golfers you haven’t golfed enough then. I’ve been playing this game for 42 years, on both sides of the Atlantic, so I think I’ve seen enough.

if you’ve never seen a 5some of good golfers, then your experience with 5somes is limited. i’ve been golfing for 11 years and marshalling for two years. i’ve seen more 5somes that you probably ever will. Most golf courses do not allow 5somes, under any circumstances,

and that’s good. however, don’t bash those courses that do allow 5somes just because you think that all 5somes are slow hackers. however on the occasions where I have seen them, they fit into the stereotype fairly well. charlie, when you say "limited experience" I take exception to that – what you might consider is that my experience extends a little further than your little backwater.

i say "limited experience" and you flame back with "little backwater". that’s pretty good. i don’t care how long you’ve been golfing or how many different places you’ve played, if you’ve never seen a 5some comprised of good golfers, then you have "limited experience" with 5somes. charlie Before you buy.

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yes. we allow 15 minutes per hole and also includes your turn time, ie you should reach the 10th tee within 2 hours and 15 minutes after you start and you should be off the course within 4.5 hours. it’s very easy, you should play 4 holes in an hour or less, 8 holes in 2 hours or less, 12 holes in 3 hours or less, and 16 holes in 4 hours or less.

That’s reasonable for a busy course, especially if marshalled to keep up the pace of play. Fact is, charlie, I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on 5somes. I think they do not belong and you state a case for them. ok, we agree to disagree. i was hoping we could argue about this for weeks charlie

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what are you saying? that a foursome is the only way you can play "real golf"? what exactly is it that makes a 5some NOT be playing "golf"? No, that a foursome is the maximum amount of players in a match. I just don’t like the idea of 5-somes OK?? Particularly when they are holding up the course.

i don’t care for any group that is holding up the course, no matter how many are in the group. Again, I applaud your course’s devotion to improving pace of play. Can I take it then, that your course has an established time limit per hole, regardless of number of players in the group, and that say, by the 5th hole everyone should have completed it in 1hr 5mins or something??

ok, we agree to disagree. i was hoping we could argue about this for weeks charlie Before you buy.

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I play with friends in AZ, early in the morning. There have been as few as 3 or as many as 12 people. Occasionally we get a 5 person turn out. It is difficult. The two people that play together are usually playing a match. Myself being much younger than the other, I usually play in the 2 some.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Bruce, Sadly, I must inform you that yes, the 5-some is a real monster, not just a mythical dragon from the mind of an evil golfer. Skywest Golf Course in Hayward, CA allows 5-some with the purchase of 3 cart rentals. However, walking 5-somes are not allowed. I know this because about 8 weeks ago the 3-some I was in got stuck behind a riding 5-some. The 2-some behind us caught up and since we were waiting on every single shot anyway, we let them join us. We were still waiting on every single shot when the marshall showed up and forced us to break back into 2 groups. Walking 5-somes were not permitted and he freely admitted that riding 5-somes were only permitted because of the addtional cart revenue. BTW, he spoke to the 5-some in front, but didn’t require them to let us play through. Oh yeah, this was on a Saturday morning and we had teed off about 6:30 am. I walked off the course on the 12th hole and I haven’t been back since.

Wow, that’s really unbelievable. In my mind–obviously not in reality though–5-somes rank right up there with two people playing out of one bag or hitting practice shots on a busy course. They are sort of universal taboos. If 5-somes are allowed, can 6-somes be far behind? That is sad news. Thankfully, I haven’t heard of it happening around here. Just a matter of time though. Bruce RSG Roll Call: http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/newmanb.htm

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Just returned from what could have been an excellent golf round. But, the round was marred by 5-somes and a 6-some group.

R, I had considered joining a club here in North Metro Dallas but when I when out to play a round there, I was stuck behind a 5. Just to be sure, I got a patron card and played a few times there and was stuck behind another 5 more than once. One time, the 5 was behind a 6. This had originally started as 2 3’s, but they knew one another, so gather together they did). It was just me and a friend on the 5 after 6 occasion and that was the last time I played there. BTW, this is an AGC course, that I have never seen a marshall on. Kevin

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a 5some on a nearly empty course and they let you play through. how can you complain about that? The amusing part was that there was supposed to be 5 of us in our group and the guy who was organizing it, thought it would be just marvelous for all of us to play together. I nixxed that one in the bud, by suggesting either a 2 and a 3 grouping, or that I’d drop out altogether. Sorry, but a 5-some is just not proper golf IMHO.

there’s nothing at all wrong with a 5some as long as they can keep pace with the groups ahead. notice that i said "keep pace" and not let groups play through. i play in 5somes often and rarely have a problem. wolf is a fun game with a 5some. To allow 5-somes on a course, when the course is having a normal day’s play, is only indifference and greed on the part of the course operator.

wrong, wrong, wrong. more often than not at our course, a 5some results from a group either showing up with an extra golfer or a group that has a few tee times booked showing up with less golfers than they had planned. it’s not about making more money. it’s about trying to make everyone happy. our course is probably different than most though in that we do make sure that the 5some keeps pace. if they do get behind, they will either skip holes or be split into a 2some and a 3some. I’ve seen quite a few 5-somes play, and I have never yet seen one of these groups comprised of decent golfers

you haven’t golfed enough then. i’ve seen plenty of 5somes full of good golfers. the 5somes i golf with are generally no worse than bogey golfers and can be as good as 4 handicaps. – they are usually the beer drinking, good time guys,

i know quite a few "beer drinking, good time guys" that are very good golfers. i probably fall into that category too, although i’m only about a 12 index. who wouldn’t recognise a Rule Book if you hit them over the head with it,

your stereotypes are getting out of hand here. consequently taking 6 hours for their "round" of golf., and completely indifferent to groups behind them.

again, you’re simply stereotyping 5somes based on your limited experience. if your golf course allows 5somes to golf at a 6 hour pace, then you should either complain to management or go find another course. charlie Before you buy.

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If 5-somes are allowed, can 6-somes be far behind? That is sad news. Thankfully, I haven’t heard of it happening around here. Just a matter of time though.

Hmm, the logical endpoint of this is a 72-some, or, rather one on each side. I passed an 8-some the other day. (I think two foursomes got stuck behind some other insanely slow group and decided to join up.) -joseph

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One is the maximum of four people in a group. I see subtle references to 5-somes occasionally, but I have always known this to be an absolute taboo on the course. Is this really happening these days?

Well, a few years ago I was gonna play solo in the wintertime. Got to the course and its nothing but foursomes wall to wall. Got to play with one such group, so thats a fivesome. Thing is, we were still catching up and waiting for the group ahead of us all day….and none of us shot under 110. It aint the people, its the pace. AstronMike

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It aint the people, its the pace.

The people is the pace! (Sorry about the fractured English, but it just sounds so good) "Someone likes every shot" bk

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I got stuck behind an outing last Saturday that were playing in groups of 8 (yeah – eight – snowman!). I had called the course before going out to check the crowd (I was wlking on as a single); the manager indicated that I could come on out there was plenty of room, although an outing was on the course but had a good headstart. The outing was playing a 4-man scramble format for "big money", so to aviod any cheating, two teams played together. I flew through the first 6 holes, only to slam into the back of this outing at the 7th tee. After crawling through 7, 8 and 9, I stopped at teh clubhouse to ask for a refund or credit for the back nine. The manager was very understanding, and offered to have a ranger drive me out in front of the outing to finsh, which was acceptable. the ranger dropped be off at teh 14th tee, so I played 14-18, then 10-13, at a very quick pace. Many courses would have just let me suffer or walk off, but these folks at least tried to do the right thing. They should have not allowed teh 8-somes to play in the first place, IMHO. Allen

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I wasn’t complaining about it, I mentioned it as an observation. Bruce had previously said that he hadn’t seen 5somes in his part of the country. The amusing part was that there was supposed to be 5 of us in our group and the guy who was organizing it, thought it would be just marvelous for all of us to play together. I nixxed that one in the bud, by suggesting either a 2 and a 3 grouping, or that I’d drop out altogether. Sorry, but a 5-some is just not proper golf IMHO. there’s nothing at all wrong with a 5some as long as they can keep pace with the groups ahead. notice that i said "keep pace" and not let groups play through. i play in 5somes often and rarely have a problem. wolf is a fun game with a 5some.

Sorry – but wolf or whatever other game you play isn’t golf IMHO. A foursome is a match not a fivesome, again that is my opinion and I believe that I am as entitled to it as you are to yours.. To allow 5-somes on a course, when the course is having a normal day’s play, is only indifference and greed on the part of the course operator. wrong, wrong, wrong.

Really, Really Really????? I think putting out a 5some when the course is crowded only strenghtens my argument. more often than not at our course, a 5some results from a group either showing up with an extra golfer or a group that has a few tee times booked showing up with less golfers than they had planned. it’s not about making more money. it’s about trying to make everyone happy. our course is probably different than most though in that we do make sure that the 5some keeps pace. if they do get behind, they will either skip holes or be split into a 2some and a 3some.

Skipping holes wouldn’t make me very happy and I’m sure it dsoesn’t make your 5some very happy either. I applaud the fact that your course keeps a tight check on pace of play, but I’d think that if you are allowing 5somes you had better. Speaking of keeping them happy – what about a fourball behind them who are being held up – are they happy??? I’m sureyou do your best to keep pace of play moving along but other than followingthe group hole by hole – is it worth the effort especially if you are going to split them up into a 3 and a 2 anyway. I’ve seen quite a few 5-somes play, and I have never yet seen one of these groups comprised of decent golfers you haven’t golfed enough then.

I’ve been playing this game for 42 years, on both sides of the Atlantic, so I think I’ve seen enough. i’ve seen plenty of 5somes full of good golfers. the 5somes i golf with are generally no worse than bogey golfers and can be as good as 4 handicaps. – they are usually the beer drinking, good time guys, i know quite a few "beer drinking, good time guys" that are very good golfers. i probably fall into that category too, although i’m only about a 12 index. who wouldn’t recognise a Rule Book if you hit them over the head with it, your stereotypes are getting out of hand here.

I doubt it – though maybe a tad!!! consequently taking 6 hours for their "round" of golf., and completely indifferent to groups behind them. again, you’re simply stereotyping 5somes based on your limited experience. if your golf course allows 5somes to golf at a 6 hour pace, then you should either complain to management or go find another course.

Most golf courses do not allow 5somes, under any circumstances, however on the occasions where I have seen them, they fit into the stereotype fairly well. charlie, when you say "limited experience" I take exception to that – what you might consider is that my experience extends a little further than your little backwater. I didn’t really want to get into an agrumentative type of post but your phrasing ticked me off somewhat. David — RSG Roll Call http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/sneddond.htm

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At RSG-Memphis last fall, Randy, Teresa, Frostback, Laville and myself played a fivesome on Sunday. We arrived at the course expecting to play 3 & 2, but the starter suggested we play the fivesome. I’m not sure if we just looked like really fast players, or if he knew the group behind us was just really slow. Normally, I hate being in a fivesome – I feel too much pressure to maintain a fast pace. In this case, though, we played as fast at this course as I ever have in a foursome. In fact, we never even saw the group behind is. Moral of the story: fivesomes should be permitted for RSGers only! — http://home.midsouth.rr.com/joecartpath RSG Roll Call: http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/reedj.htm

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just returned from what could have been an excellent golf round. 90 plus degrees was tolerable. Shot one under bogey which, for me, is enjoyable. Hit the ball well and if I hadn’t made a mess of my greenside game on two holes, I could have been below 85. But, the round was marred by 5-somes and a 6-some group. I know the 6-some was illegal according to course rules. Trouble is, there was no marshall out there (public course) to break up the group. What I can’t understand is the logic for allowing 5-somes. I haven’t had the opportunity to play any real nice courses but from what I hear, 5-somes are not generally permitted. I applaud that! Can anyone explain to me what the underlying logic might be in allowing 5-somes on a course. Maybe there is a good reason for it and, if so, I would appreciate learning what that logic is. From my perspective, it seems those in groups of 5 seek comfort from the "pack mentality". As a practical matter, such groups only hold things up; as a practical matter, and if they exercised any etiquette at all, they would spend half their round letting others play through. Russ

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Bruce, Sadly, I must inform you that yes, the 5-some is a real monster, not just a mythical dragon from the mind of an evil golfer. Skywest Golf Course in Hayward, CA allows 5-some with the purchase of 3 cart rentals. However, walking 5-somes are not allowed. I know this because about 8 weeks ago the 3-some I was in got stuck behind a riding 5-some. The 2-some behind us caught up and since we were waiting on every single shot anyway, we let them join us. We were still waiting on every single shot when the marshall showed up and forced us to break back into 2 groups. Walking 5-somes were not permitted and he freely admitted that riding 5-somes were only permitted because of the addtional cart revenue. BTW, he spoke to the 5-some in front, but didn’t require them to let us play through. Oh yeah, this was on a Saturday morning and we had teed off about 6:30 am. I walked off the course on the 12th hole and I haven’t been back since. You know, for all my years of playing golf, there are a few "givens" that just never change…or so I thought. One is the maximum of four people in a group. I see subtle references to 5-somes occasionally, but I have always known this to be an absolute taboo on the course. Is this really happening these days? Yikes! Bruce RSG Roll Call: http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/newmanb.htm

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There is no logic to allowing 5-somes on the course, period. There is however, the lust for money. Some courses allow 5 somes so long as they pay for 3 carts, some will allow 5-somes if they pay a premium, etc. But logic? No way.

You know, for all my years of playing golf, there are a few "givens" that just never change…or so I thought. One is the maximum of four people in a group. I see subtle references to 5-somes occasionally, but I have always known this to be an absolute taboo on the course. Is this really happening these days? Yikes! Bruce RSG Roll Call: http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/newmanb.htm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There is no logic to allowing 5-somes on the course, period. There is however, the lust for money. Some courses allow 5 somes so long as they pay for 3 carts, some will allow 5-somes if they pay a premium, etc. But logic? No way. You know, for all my years of playing golf, there are a few "givens" that just never change…or so I thought. One is the maximum of four people in a group. I see subtle references to 5-somes occasionally, but I have always known this to be an absolute taboo on the course. Is this really happening these days? Yikes! Bruce

Unfortunately so, Bruce. last Thursday I was playing a course in Belleville ON, and there was a 5-some ahead of us. We caught them at the ninth, and they let us through on the 10th tee. Now the course was almost empty, but never-the-less, there they were. The amusing part was that there was supposed to be 5 of us in our group and the guy who was organizing it, thought it would be just marvelous for all of us to play together. I nixxed that one in the bud, by suggesting either a 2 and a 3 grouping, or that I’d drop out altogether. Sorry, but a 5-some is just not proper golf IMHO. To allow 5-somes on a course, when the course is having a normal day’s play, is only indifference and greed on the part of the course operator. I’ve seen quite a few 5-somes play, and I have never yet seen one of these groups comprised of decent golfers – they are usually the beer drinking, good time guys, who wouldn’t recognise a Rule Book if you hit them over the head with it, consequently taking 6 hours for their "round" of golf., and completely indifferent to groups behind them. David — RSG Roll Call http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/sneddond.htm

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<snip Can anyone explain to me what the underlying logic might be in allowing 5-somes on a course. Maybe there is a good reason for it and, if so, I would appreciate learning what that logic is. From my perspective, it seems those in groups of 5 seek comfort from the "pack mentality". As a practical matter, such groups only hold things up; as a practical matter, and if they exercised any etiquette at all, they would spend half their round letting others play through. Russ

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Just returned from what could have been an excellent golf round. 90 plus degrees was tolerable. Shot one under bogey which, for me, is enjoyable. Hit the ball well and if I hadn’t made a mess of my greenside game on two holes, I could have been below 85. But, the round was marred by 5-somes and a 6-some group. I know the 6-some was illegal according to course rules. Trouble is, there was no marshall out there (public course) to break up the group. What I can’t understand is the logic for allowing 5-somes. I haven’t had the opportunity to play any real nice courses but from what I hear, 5-somes are not generally permitted. I applaud that! Can anyone explain to me what the underlying logic might be in allowing 5-somes on a course. Maybe there is a good reason for it and, if so, I would appreciate learning what that logic is. From my perspective, it seems those in groups of 5 seek comfort from the "pack mentality". As a practical matter, such groups only hold things up; as a practical matter, and if they exercised any etiquette at all, they would spend half their round letting others play through. Russ

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