Unplayable lie on the tee!

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So if I intend to hit the ball 300 yards down the middle with a slight draw and shank it on the woods, it isn’t a stroke. Mulligan lives. You arguing purpose vs. state of the mind which is awfully thin ice. If you address the ball, take a full swing, and miss, it be a stroke.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There is absolutely nothing about intent in the defintions. If you swing at the ball and miss, it is a stroke period. Sure there is: "Stroke "A "stroke” is the forward movement of the club made with the intention of fairly striking at and moving the ball, but if a player checks his downswing voluntarily before the clubhead reaches the ball he is deemed not to have made a stroke." "The intention of fairly striking the ball" — so if I whiff on purpose, I didn’t have the intention to strike the ball… Thomas Prufer

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One good reason is that for a ball to be declared ‘unplayable’ it has to be technically ‘in play’; unfortunately, on the tee, the ball is not ‘in play’ until you have made a stroke at it! If you wish, you could play a duff shot (or even an air shot) on the tee…and then declare the ball unplayable, you would however then be playing ‘3′! — cheers david "Somewhere in the world a village is missing an idiot!" - McCord SPAM-FIX. The owner of privacy.net has given permission to use this address for the purpose of protection from spam. If you want to contact me send to dsantwyk<ATbigpond<DOTnet<DOTau…thankyou!

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There is absolutely nothing about intent in the defintions. If you swing at the ball and miss, it is a stroke period.

Sure there is: "Stroke "A "stroke” is the forward movement of the club made with the intention of fairly striking at and moving the ball, but if a player checks his downswing voluntarily before the clubhead reaches the ball he is deemed not to have made a stroke." "The intention of fairly striking the ball" — so if I whiff on purpose, I didn’t have the intention to strike the ball… Thomas Prufer

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There is absolutely nothing about intent in the defintions. If you swing at the ball and miss, it is a stroke period. Sure there is: "Stroke "A "stroke” is the forward movement of the club made with the intention of fairly striking at and moving the ball, but if a player checks his downswing voluntarily before the clubhead reaches the ball he is deemed not to have made a stroke." "The intention of fairly striking the ball" — so if I whiff on purpose, I didn’t have the intention to strike the ball…

Further supported by Decision 29-1/7. — http://rec-sport-golf.com/?rc=hayesd

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There is absolutely nothing about intent in the defintions. If you swing at the ball and miss, it is a stroke period.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – When you said "have to whiff the ball first", I took it as an indication of a deliberate strategy – which is why I emphasized in my reply that an *intentional* whiff isn’t a stroke. From the definition (thanks for supplying that!), you’ll see that there an intentional whiff fails to meet the criterion of intention. (There is a lot of lore about mixed fours, and the woman intentionally missing on the tee of a water hazard hole so that the guy can play – but according to the rules, it’s would still be her turn.) Stroke A "stroke” is the forward movement of the club made with the intention of fairly striking at and moving the ball, but if a player checks his downswing voluntarily before the clubhead reaches the ball he is deemed not to have made a stroke. Why isn’t a whiff on the tee a stroke? No, the whiffed ball still wouldn’t be in play. I don’t have the Definitions handy, but since you have yours, you’ll see that an intentional whiff isn’t a stroke. How does one declare a ball not yet in play as unplayable? Wouldn’t she have to whiff a shot first to put the ball in play? ROG Definitions: Ball in Play A ball is "in play” as soon as the player has made a stroke on the teeing ground. It remains in play until holed out, except when it is lost, out of bounds or lifted, or another ball has been substituted whether or not such substitution is permitted; a ball so substituted becomes the ball in play. I fail to understand why the ROG has to "fix" a golf course designed and/or built by idiots. Here’s another one for your file of odd uses of the rules — can you take an unplayable lie on the tee and drop the ball no nearer the hole, within two clublengths, but outside the tee markers? I can’t see any reason why you couldn’t. Now as for why you would want to, you only have to look at the 10th hole on our course. It’s a long par 3 that’s about 180 even off the very front of the tee box where the "red" tees are, and crosses a river directly in front of the tee and a pond up near the green. Clearly few people teeing from the red tees have the distance to carry the pond, so most want to hit the ball left, where there is a bail out area, and play for an up and down par or a bogey rather than risk the pond. The problem is that there is a large tree just left of and in front of the tee box which blocks the way to the bail out area when the tees are all the way forward and anywhere near the left side. This leaves the choice of trying to hit a big hook around the offending tee, hitting over the river to the right onto a rather narrow area between the pond and the river, or simply dribbling the ball off the tee to the right and hoping it stops before rolling off the tee box and into the river. Really bad choices, especially for people playing from the forward tees. (Even if you succeed in getting over the river to the right, you are still behind a pond many can’t carry and blocked by trees from a direct line at the green. My wife, who plays from this tee, concluded that actually the sanest choice may be to tee it up, declare it unplayable, then drop two clublengths to the right, getting clear of the offending tree and allowing the next one to be hit into the bailout area. You are playing for a double bogey at this point, but it’s still better than hitting 3 off the tee. I saw nothing in the rules to prevent this rather odd application. You won’t see this one in a professional event, but I’ll bet a lot of readers here have faced "impossible" tee shots that would have been a heck of a lot easier with the markers a little left or right and might want to consider this strategy. — http://home.att.net/~wamontgomery )

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When you said "have to whiff the ball first", I took it as an indication of a deliberate strategy – which is why I emphasized in my reply that an *intentional* whiff isn’t a stroke. From the definition (thanks for supplying that!), you’ll see that there an intentional whiff fails to meet the criterion of intention. (There is a lot of lore about mixed fours, and the woman intentionally missing on the tee of a water hazard hole so that the guy can play – but according to the rules, it’s would still be her turn.)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Stroke A "stroke” is the forward movement of the club made with the intention of fairly striking at and moving the ball, but if a player checks his downswing voluntarily before the clubhead reaches the ball he is deemed not to have made a stroke. Why isn’t a whiff on the tee a stroke? No, the whiffed ball still wouldn’t be in play. I don’t have the Definitions handy, but since you have yours, you’ll see that an intentional whiff isn’t a stroke. How does one declare a ball not yet in play as unplayable? Wouldn’t she have to whiff a shot first to put the ball in play? ROG Definitions: Ball in Play A ball is "in play” as soon as the player has made a stroke on the teeing ground. It remains in play until holed out, except when it is lost, out of bounds or lifted, or another ball has been substituted whether or not such substitution is permitted; a ball so substituted becomes the ball in play. I fail to understand why the ROG has to "fix" a golf course designed and/or built by idiots. Here’s another one for your file of odd uses of the rules — can you take an unplayable lie on the tee and drop the ball no nearer the hole, within two clublengths, but outside the tee markers? I can’t see any reason why you couldn’t. Now as for why you would want to, you only have to look at the 10th hole on our course. It’s a long par 3 that’s about 180 even off the very front of the tee box where the "red" tees are, and crosses a river directly in front of the tee and a pond up near the green. Clearly few people teeing from the red tees have the distance to carry the pond, so most want to hit the ball left, where there is a bail out area, and play for an up and down par or a bogey rather than risk the pond. The problem is that there is a large tree just left of and in front of the tee box which blocks the way to the bail out area when the tees are all the way forward and anywhere near the left side. This leaves the choice of trying to hit a big hook around the offending tee, hitting over the river to the right onto a rather narrow area between the pond and the river, or simply dribbling the ball off the tee to the right and hoping it stops before rolling off the tee box and into the river. Really bad choices, especially for people playing from the forward tees. (Even if you succeed in getting over the river to the right, you are still behind a pond many can’t carry and blocked by trees from a direct line at the green. My wife, who plays from this tee, concluded that actually the sanest choice may be to tee it up, declare it unplayable, then drop two clublengths to the right, getting clear of the offending tree and allowing the next one to be hit into the bailout area. You are playing for a double bogey at this point, but it’s still better than hitting 3 off the tee. I saw nothing in the rules to prevent this rather odd application. You won’t see this one in a professional event, but I’ll bet a lot of readers here have faced "impossible" tee shots that would have been a heck of a lot easier with the markers a little left or right and might want to consider this strategy. — http://home.att.net/~wamontgomery )

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Stroke A "stroke” is the forward movement of the club made with the intention of fairly striking at and moving the ball, but if a player checks his downswing voluntarily before the clubhead reaches the ball he is deemed not to have made a stroke. Why isn’t a whiff on the tee a stroke?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – No, the whiffed ball still wouldn’t be in play. I don’t have the Definitions handy, but since you have yours, you’ll see that an intentional whiff isn’t a stroke. How does one declare a ball not yet in play as unplayable? Wouldn’t she have to whiff a shot first to put the ball in play? ROG Definitions: Ball in Play A ball is "in play” as soon as the player has made a stroke on the teeing ground. It remains in play until holed out, except when it is lost, out of bounds or lifted, or another ball has been substituted whether or not such substitution is permitted; a ball so substituted becomes the ball in play. I fail to understand why the ROG has to "fix" a golf course designed and/or built by idiots. Here’s another one for your file of odd uses of the rules — can you take an unplayable lie on the tee and drop the ball no nearer the hole, within two clublengths, but outside the tee markers? I can’t see any reason why you couldn’t. Now as for why you would want to, you only have to look at the 10th hole on our course. It’s a long par 3 that’s about 180 even off the very front of the tee box where the "red" tees are, and crosses a river directly in front of the tee and a pond up near the green. Clearly few people teeing from the red tees have the distance to carry the pond, so most want to hit the ball left, where there is a bail out area, and play for an up and down par or a bogey rather than risk the pond. The problem is that there is a large tree just left of and in front of the tee box which blocks the way to the bail out area when the tees are all the way forward and anywhere near the left side. This leaves the choice of trying to hit a big hook around the offending tee, hitting over the river to the right onto a rather narrow area between the pond and the river, or simply dribbling the ball off the tee to the right and hoping it stops before rolling off the tee box and into the river. Really bad choices, especially for people playing from the forward tees. (Even if you succeed in getting over the river to the right, you are still behind a pond many can’t carry and blocked by trees from a direct line at the green. My wife, who plays from this tee, concluded that actually the sanest choice may be to tee it up, declare it unplayable, then drop two clublengths to the right, getting clear of the offending tree and allowing the next one to be hit into the bailout area. You are playing for a double bogey at this point, but it’s still better than hitting 3 off the tee. I saw nothing in the rules to prevent this rather odd application. You won’t see this one in a professional event, but I’ll bet a lot of readers here have faced "impossible" tee shots that would have been a heck of a lot easier with the markers a little left or right and might want to consider this strategy. — http://home.att.net/~wamontgomery )

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No, the whiffed ball still wouldn’t be in play. I don’t have the Definitions handy, but since you have yours, you’ll see that an intentional whiff isn’t a stroke.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – How does one declare a ball not yet in play as unplayable? Wouldn’t she have to whiff a shot first to put the ball in play? ROG Definitions: Ball in Play A ball is "in play” as soon as the player has made a stroke on the teeing ground. It remains in play until holed out, except when it is lost, out of bounds or lifted, or another ball has been substituted whether or not such substitution is permitted; a ball so substituted becomes the ball in play. I fail to understand why the ROG has to "fix" a golf course designed and/or built by idiots. Here’s another one for your file of odd uses of the rules — can you take an unplayable lie on the tee and drop the ball no nearer the hole, within two clublengths, but outside the tee markers? I can’t see any reason why you couldn’t. Now as for why you would want to, you only have to look at the 10th hole on our course. It’s a long par 3 that’s about 180 even off the very front of the tee box where the "red" tees are, and crosses a river directly in front of the tee and a pond up near the green. Clearly few people teeing from the red tees have the distance to carry the pond, so most want to hit the ball left, where there is a bail out area, and play for an up and down par or a bogey rather than risk the pond. The problem is that there is a large tree just left of and in front of the tee box which blocks the way to the bail out area when the tees are all the way forward and anywhere near the left side. This leaves the choice of trying to hit a big hook around the offending tee, hitting over the river to the right onto a rather narrow area between the pond and the river, or simply dribbling the ball off the tee to the right and hoping it stops before rolling off the tee box and into the river. Really bad choices, especially for people playing from the forward tees. (Even if you succeed in getting over the river to the right, you are still behind a pond many can’t carry and blocked by trees from a direct line at the green. My wife, who plays from this tee, concluded that actually the sanest choice may be to tee it up, declare it unplayable, then drop two clublengths to the right, getting clear of the offending tree and allowing the next one to be hit into the bailout area. You are playing for a double bogey at this point, but it’s still better than hitting 3 off the tee. I saw nothing in the rules to prevent this rather odd application. You won’t see this one in a professional event, but I’ll bet a lot of readers here have faced "impossible" tee shots that would have been a heck of a lot easier with the markers a little left or right and might want to consider this strategy. — http://home.att.net/~wamontgomery )

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My first thought is that the ball isn’t in play while on the tee. Ergo, you can’t take an unplayable until its in play.

You’d think so, wouldn’t you? But the wording of rule 28 doesn’t require the ball to be in play. It just says a ‘player may decare his ball unplayable…’ Compare, for instance rule 18-2a, which starts ‘When a player’s ball is in play…’ Deliberate? I don’t know, but that’s what it says.

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How does one declare a ball not yet in play as unplayable? Wouldn’t she have to whiff a shot first to put the ball in play? ROG Definitions: Ball in Play A ball is "in play” as soon as the player has made a stroke on the teeing ground. It remains in play until holed out, except when it is lost, out of bounds or lifted, or another ball has been substituted whether or not such substitution is permitted; a ball so substituted becomes the ball in play. I fail to understand why the ROG has to "fix" a golf course designed and/or built by idiots.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Here’s another one for your file of odd uses of the rules — can you take an unplayable lie on the tee and drop the ball no nearer the hole, within two clublengths, but outside the tee markers? I can’t see any reason why you couldn’t. Now as for why you would want to, you only have to look at the 10th hole on our course. It’s a long par 3 that’s about 180 even off the very front of the tee box where the "red" tees are, and crosses a river directly in front of the tee and a pond up near the green. Clearly few people teeing from the red tees have the distance to carry the pond, so most want to hit the ball left, where there is a bail out area, and play for an up and down par or a bogey rather than risk the pond. The problem is that there is a large tree just left of and in front of the tee box which blocks the way to the bail out area when the tees are all the way forward and anywhere near the left side. This leaves the choice of trying to hit a big hook around the offending tee, hitting over the river to the right onto a rather narrow area between the pond and the river, or simply dribbling the ball off the tee to the right and hoping it stops before rolling off the tee box and into the river. Really bad choices, especially for people playing from the forward tees. (Even if you succeed in getting over the river to the right, you are still behind a pond many can’t carry and blocked by trees from a direct line at the green. My wife, who plays from this tee, concluded that actually the sanest choice may be to tee it up, declare it unplayable, then drop two clublengths to the right, getting clear of the offending tree and allowing the next one to be hit into the bailout area. You are playing for a double bogey at this point, but it’s still better than hitting 3 off the tee. I saw nothing in the rules to prevent this rather odd application. You won’t see this one in a professional event, but I’ll bet a lot of readers here have faced "impossible" tee shots that would have been a heck of a lot easier with the markers a little left or right and might want to consider this strategy. — http://home.att.net/~wamontgomery )

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: My wife, who plays from this tee, concluded that actually the sanest choice : may be to tee it up, declare it unplayable, then drop two clublengths to the : right, getting clear of the offending tree and allowing the next one to be : hit into the bailout area. Why not putt? cb

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If you hit it into a water hazard, you may "Drop a ball behind the water hazard, keeping the point at which the original ball last crossed the margin of the water hazard directly between the hole and the spot on which the ball is dropped, with no limit to how far behind the water hazard the ball may be dropped" (Rule 26-1). So wouldn’t you be better off hitting the ball into the pond and taking a drop rather than taking a penalty on the tee?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – With all due respect to your wife, I’m addressing the generality of the Rule and its application, and not her and her specific situation. In order for a Rule to be invoked, shouldn’t the condition occasioned by the Rule actually be present? In other words, shouldn’t a ball *be* unplayable before its *declared* unplayable. I agree that it’s up to the discretion of the player, but the Rule (and the rest of golf, for that matter) assumes that players make assessments candidly, with a prejudice for playing the ball as it lies. If a ball isn’t playable on the tee, when would it ever be playable? — Michael L. Wyland Sumption & Wyland 818 South Hawthorne Avenue Sioux Falls, SD 57104-4537 (605) 336-0244 (605) 336-0275 (FAX) (888) 4-SUMPTION (toll-free) http://www.sumptionandwyland.com — free e-newsletter sign-up — new article: "The Giving Sky is Falling…Or Is It?"

Howard and I needed you in the previous thread about unplayable lies. Ours is not a popular opinion.

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Howard and I needed you in the previous thread about unplayable lies. Ours is not a popular opinion.

Popular, or not, it’s ludicrous. The rules are there to help, as well as penalize. ___, o | / . "Someone likes every shot" bk

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Just move to an area where you think you can safely tee off from. "Remember keep it fun, as God intended" – Someone somewhere

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: Here’s another one for your file of odd uses of the rules — can you take an : unplayable lie on the tee and drop the ball no nearer the hole, within two : clublengths, but outside the tee markers? : <clip : My first thought is that the ball isn’t in play while on the tee. : Ergo, you can’t take an unplayable until its in play. : : Interesting point. Rule 28 says: "The player may declare his ball unplayable at any place on the course except when the ball is in a water hazard. The player is the sole judge as to whether his ball is unplayable. " The teeing ground is on the course, but if there is no ball in play then how can it be unplayable? I couldn’t find any decision to clarify things. The easiest thing would be to spot the ball in the teeing ground and take the first stroke with a putter to move the ball the two club lengths or so needed to avoid the tree. They really should do something about that tree though. — –Robert Simpson– USGA Certified Bogey Golfer rsg roll call: http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=simpsonr

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This unplayable lie thing seems to be the most tortured way of dealing with a difficult hole I can imagine. Surely it’s possible to chip, bunt, putt, dribble a ball to a more desirable spot on the tee w/o incurring a penalty. Since the UPL rule forces one (assuming it’s even legal under these circumstances) to go backwards, how can this make the hole easier? — Doug Main "It’s never too late to have a happy childhood."

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The rule doesn’t necessarily suggest you go "backwards" … it says, no closer to the hole. A lateral line is not closer to the hole. Larry

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My wife, who plays from this tee, concluded that actually the sanest choice may be to tee it up, declare it unplayable, then drop two clublengths to the right, getting clear of the offending tree and allowing the next one to be hit into the bailout area. You are playing for a double bogey at this point, but it’s still better than hitting 3 off the tee. I saw nothing in the rules to prevent this rather odd application. You won’t see this one in a professional event, but I’ll bet a lot of readers here have faced "impossible" tee shots that would have been a heck of a lot easier with the markers a little left or right and might want to consider this strategy.

How is this better than hitting a 2 club length chip from where she tees it up? It’d at least let her get more than 2 club lengths to the right and a bit forward or backward of the tee markers to play her next one from the optimal point. If she just can’t make the carry, shouldn’t she just tee it up in a spot where she can, even if it is 50 yards forward and left of the tee marker? Why the misguided concern to play exactly by the rules, even in the face of a hole that is designed in a way that isn’t within her abilities to play? What would you do if you went to a course, selected the tees you thought were correct for you, and then found one hole required a carry you couldn’t ever make with no allowance for layup or bailout? Yeah, you could move up to some closer tees, but that’s "cheating" just as much as if she created a new closer "tee" to play the hole you described. If she feels guilty about it (or you are giving her the guilt trip) she could play off the men’s tees on one hole to even things out. — "Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself." — Mark Twain

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Here’s another one for your file of odd uses of the rules — can you take an unplayable lie on the tee and drop the ball no nearer the hole, within two clublengths, but outside the tee markers?

<clip My first thought is that the ball isn’t in play while on the tee. Ergo, you can’t take an unplayable until its in play. ___, o | / . "Someone likes every shot" bk

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I think it was Lee Trevino who joked that a Pete Dye course was so tough that you had to take an unplayable lie from the tee. Sounds like that hole is pretty unfair for the ladies. Can you petition to have the tree removed? I’ve heard that the USGA is recommending that a lot of courses need to thin out some trees. Rule 28 says that you can declare a ball unplayable anywhere on the course except a water hazard, so no problem with the ROG. — –Robert Simpson– USGA Certified Bogey Golfer rsg roll call: http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=simpsonr

: Here’s another one for your file of odd uses of the rules — can you take an : unplayable lie on the tee and drop the ball no nearer the hole, within two : clublengths, but outside the tee markers? I can’t see any reason why you : couldn’t. Now as for why you would want to, you only have to look at the : 10th hole on our course. It’s a long par 3 that’s about 180 even off the : very front of the tee box where the "red" tees are, and crosses a river : directly in front of the tee and a pond up near the green. Clearly few : people teeing from the red tees have the distance to carry the pond, so most : want to hit the ball left, where there is a bail out area, and play for an : up and down par or a bogey rather than risk the pond. The problem is that : there is a large tree just left of and in front of the tee box which blocks : the way to the bail out area when the tees are all the way forward and : anywhere near the left side. This leaves the choice of trying to hit a big : hook around the offending tee, hitting over the river to the right onto a : rather narrow area between the pond and the river, or simply dribbling the : ball off the tee to the right and hoping it stops before rolling off the tee : box and into the river. Really bad choices, especially for people playing : from the forward tees. (Even if you succeed in getting over the river to the : right, you are still behind a pond many can’t carry and blocked by trees : from a direct line at the green. : : My wife, who plays from this tee, concluded that actually the sanest choice : may be to tee it up, declare it unplayable, then drop two clublengths to the : right, getting clear of the offending tree and allowing the next one to be : hit into the bailout area. You are playing for a double bogey at this : point, but it’s still better than hitting 3 off the tee. I saw nothing in : the rules to prevent this rather odd application. You won’t see this one in : a professional event, but I’ll bet a lot of readers here have faced : "impossible" tee shots that would have been a heck of a lot easier with the : markers a little left or right and might want to consider this strategy. : : : : : — : http://home.att.net/~wamontgomery ) : :

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Isn’t it possible to tee off with a short swing with a wedge, or even a putter to get the ball off to the side of the tee box and then play # 2 from there.. (ie duff the tee shot)

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With all due respect to your wife, I’m addressing the generality of the Rule and its application, and not her and her specific situation. In order for a Rule to be invoked, shouldn’t the condition occasioned by the Rule actually be present? In other words, shouldn’t a ball *be* unplayable before its *declared* unplayable. I agree that it’s up to the discretion of the player, but the Rule (and the rest of golf, for that matter) assumes that players make assessments candidly, with a prejudice for playing the ball as it lies. If a ball isn’t playable on the tee, when would it ever be playable? — Michael L. Wyland Sumption & Wyland 818 South Hawthorne Avenue Sioux Falls, SD 57104-4537 (605) 336-0244 (605) 336-0275 (FAX) (888) 4-SUMPTION (toll-free) http://www.sumptionandwyland.com — free e-newsletter sign-up — new article: "The Giving Sky is Falling…Or Is It?"

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As to whether you can declare a ball unplayable before you have played a stroke from the teeing ground is debatable, as it isn’t yet in play… if the hole is really so tough & you wanted to move a bit to the right, wouldn’t it make more sense to ‘putt’ it there & then be playing 2?

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Here’s another one for your file of odd uses of the rules — can you take an unplayable lie on the tee and drop the ball no nearer the hole, within two clublengths, but outside the tee markers? I can’t see any reason why you couldn’t. Now as for why you would want to, you only have to look at the 10th hole on our course. It’s a long par 3 that’s about 180 even off the very front of the tee box where the "red" tees are, and crosses a river directly in front of the tee and a pond up near the green. Clearly few people teeing from the red tees have the distance to carry the pond, so most want to hit the ball left, where there is a bail out area, and play for an up and down par or a bogey rather than risk the pond. The problem is that there is a large tree just left of and in front of the tee box which blocks the way to the bail out area when the tees are all the way forward and anywhere near the left side. This leaves the choice of trying to hit a big hook around the offending tee, hitting over the river to the right onto a rather narrow area between the pond and the river, or simply dribbling the ball off the tee to the right and hoping it stops before rolling off the tee box and into the river. Really bad choices, especially for people playing from the forward tees. (Even if you succeed in getting over the river to the right, you are still behind a pond many can’t carry and blocked by trees from a direct line at the green. My wife, who plays from this tee, concluded that actually the sanest choice may be to tee it up, declare it unplayable, then drop two clublengths to the right, getting clear of the offending tree and allowing the next one to be hit into the bailout area. You are playing for a double bogey at this point, but it’s still better than hitting 3 off the tee. I saw nothing in the rules to prevent this rather odd application. You won’t see this one in a professional event, but I’ll bet a lot of readers here have faced "impossible" tee shots that would have been a heck of a lot easier with the markers a little left or right and might want to consider this strategy. — http://home.att.net/~wamontgomery )

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