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I’m sure you meant to say "…sideways laterally … at 90 degree right angles once, one time."

I’m thinking about this, at this moment in time, as I’m passing the La Brea Tar Pits, after getting some cash from the ATM machine with my PIN number… Thomas "Department of Redundancy Department" Prufer

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I’m sure you meant to say "…sideways laterally … at 90 degree right angles once, one time." I’m thinking about this, at this moment in time, as I’m passing the La Brea Tar Pits, after getting some cash from the ATM machine with my PIN number…

After that, do you drive up to Arroyo Seco?

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Yeah, I have a question. Why do Americans say "off of" rather than just "off"? BTW, "off of" is I believe a regional colloquialism here.  It’s not used everywhere in the US. In New England, for instance, one might hear, "Get off of the green!" Out here in the wild wild west, "Get off the green!" would be more commonly heard.  (The preceding gives us the golf content.) I am not positive about this, but that’s my best guess at the moment (right now) Peter

You are correct.  It’s a common characteristic of our regional speech pattern in Central/Eastern Kentucky.  Another characteristic in Central/Eastern Kentucky is not being concerned with other region’s speech patterns – especially if we understand what’s being said. — ChiliDipper -gt RSG Roll Call http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=toyg

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As always, thanks for any and all opinions/ideas/suggestions/reviews/info/etc…. Yeah, I have a question. Why do Americans say "off of" rather than just "off"?

To differentiate between "getting off of the green" and "getting off on the green." Cheers, Loren

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As always, thanks for any and all opinions/ideas/suggestions/reviews/info/etc…. Yeah, I have a question. Why do Americans say "off of" rather than just "off"?

Good question.  Why do we even use the word "utilize" when we can use "use" in almost any situation where we would utilize the word "utilize?" Dave Clary/Corpus Christi, Tx Home: http://home.stx.rr.com/dclary Never Forget: http://www.politicsandprotest.org RSG Roll Call http://www.rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=claryd

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Why do Americans say "off of" rather than just "off"?

It’s because of this….. The European Commission has just announced an agreement whereby English will be the official language of the European nation rather than German which was the other possibility. As part of the negotiations, Her Majesty’s Government conceded that English spelling had some room for improvement and has accepted a 5-year phase-in plan that would become known as "Euro-English". In the first year, "s" will replace the soft "c".  Sertainly, this will make the sivil servants jump with joy.  The hard "c" will be dropped in favour of the "k". This should klear up konfusion, and keyboards kan have one less letter. There will be growing publik enthusiasm in the sekond year when the troublesome "ph" will be replaced with the "f". This will make words like fotograf 20% shorter. In the 3rd year, publik akseptanse of the new spelling kan be expekted to reach the stage where more komplikated changes are possible. Governments will enkourage the removal of double letters which have always ben a deterent to akurate speling. Also, al wil agre that the horibl mes of the silent "e" in the languag is disgrasful and it should go away. By the 4th yer peopl wil be reseptiv to steps such as replasing "th" with "z" and "w" with "v". During ze fifz yer, ze unesesary "o" kan be dropd from vords kontaining "ou" and after ziz fifz yer, ve vil hav a reil sensibl riten styl. Zer vil be no mor trubl or difikultis and evrivun vil find it ezi tu understand ech oza. Ze drem of a united urop vil finali kum tru. If zis mad yu smil, pleas pas it on to oza pepl. Gordy

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I’m sure you meant to say "…sideways laterally … at 90 degree right angles once, one time."

Yes, and still having a makeable shot to the green remaining was an added bonus. Cheers Colin Wilson RSG Roll Call: http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=wilsonc Trentham Golf Club: http://www.trenthamgolf.com

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Well, Colin, it’s because of…

Don’t you mean because of of …? BTW, did I tell you? I hit my ball laterally across the fairway at right angles once. — Cheers Colin Wilson RSG Roll Call: http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=wilsonc Trentham Golf Club: http://www.trenthamgolf.com

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Well, Colin, it’s because of… Don’t you mean because of of …? BTW, did I tell you? I hit my ball laterally across the fairway at right angles once.

I’m sure you meant to say "…sideways laterally … at 90 degree right angles once, one time." I’m also certain that you don’t use "of" when you say "off", because of being from a culture that uses the language differently. Try that without "of" after "because"…sounds a bit strange, eh? BTW, "off of" is I believe a regional colloquialism here.  It’s not used everywhere in the US. In New England, for instance, one might hear, "Get off of the green!" Out here in the wild wild west, "Get off the green!" would be more commonly heard.  (The preceding gives us the golf content.) I am not positive about this, but that’s my best guess at the moment (right now) Peter

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As always, thanks for any and all opinions/ideas/suggestions/reviews/info/etc….

Yeah, I have a question. Why do Americans say "off of" rather than just "off"? — Cheers Colin Wilson RSG Roll Call: http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=wilsonc Trentham Golf Club: http://www.trenthamgolf.com

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As always, thanks for any and all opinions/ideas/suggestions/reviews/info/etc…. Yeah, I have a question. Why do Americans say "off of" rather than just "off"?

Well, Colin, it’s because of… Peter

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The futura is awful,  I looked at one in the golf shop, and it sets up just terrible. Get the 2-ball instead.  I hate mallet style putters, so I won’t be getting either, but the 2-ball is very solid for that style. tim teardrop TD series fan. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, My name’s ChiliDipper(well, actually, that’s just a screen name in this newsgroup, not my real name!) and I’m a putterholic.  I know some years ago we did the putterholic thing where a number of us fessed up to how many putters we’ve used/owned/own, with Randy the leader by a country mile. Since my on course forays have been sporadic for a while, I’ve had a couple of PINGs that have been sharing the duties, with only a few more sitting around the house.  I’m bored now, and, haven’t been rolling the rock well when I’ve been out.  I know it’s not the stick, but, the stickee(?), however, being the club ho I am, it’s the perfect excuse for a new flatstick. What’s the consensus on the Futura?  I know it’s butt ugly, but, even being a putterholic, I’ve never made the journey into Scottyville.  Has anyone tried it versus the Taylor Made Monza? As an aside, I’ve built a fair number of component putters, but, have yet to find one that matches up with the better OEM’s.  This is the opposite of my experience with irons, woods, wedges.  Any success stories with component putters? As always, thanks for any and all opinions/ideas/suggestions/reviews/info/etc…. — ChiliDipper -gt RSG Roll Call http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=toyg

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speaking of humungous putters, I happen to be in love with the Hogan/Bettinardi Big Ben putter. not sure, but I think Furyk might have used it in his US Open win. I don’t own the putter (at least not yet), but I fondle it lovingly and stroke putts w/ it at the local golf store cheers, Mike – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, My name’s ChiliDipper(well, actually, that’s just a screen name in this newsgroup, not my real name!) and I’m a putterholic.  I know some years ago we did the putterholic thing where a number of us fessed up to how many putters we’ve used/owned/own, with Randy the leader by a country mile. Since my on course forays have been sporadic for a while, I’ve had a couple of PINGs that have been sharing the duties, with only a few more sitting around the house.  I’m bored now, and, haven’t been rolling the rock well when I’ve been out.  I know it’s not the stick, but, the stickee(?), however, being the club ho I am, it’s the perfect excuse for a new flatstick. What’s the consensus on the Futura?  I know it’s butt ugly, but, even being a putterholic, I’ve never made the journey into Scottyville.  Has anyone tried it versus the Taylor Made Monza? As an aside, I’ve built a fair number of component putters, but, have yet to find one that matches up with the better OEM’s.  This is the opposite of my experience with irons, woods, wedges.  Any success stories with component putters? As always, thanks for any and all opinions/ideas/suggestions/reviews/info/etc….

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FWIW this is the one that has really worked for me. I don’t let anyone touch it http://www.golfworks.com/item_disp.asp?pn=PETT&bhcd2=1060453845

I believe I’ve read a very positive review of this head on one of the online review sites – or two.  I don’t remember the specifics though.  What is it about the head that works well for you? — ChiliDipper -gt RSG Roll Call http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=toyg

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – FWIW this is the one that has really worked for me. I don’t let anyone touch it http://www.golfworks.com/item_disp.asp?pn=PETT&bhcd2=1060453845 I believe I’ve read a very positive review of this head on one of the online review sites – or two.  I don’t remember the specifics though.  What is it about the head that works well for you? — ChiliDipper

Purely subjective of course, but the feel of the ball coming of the head is soft and sweet. I find my distance control is much better.  Also the lines on the putterhead make it a cinch to line up the ball and make sure the putter is level. If the two middle lines line up the putter is level.  The weight and lie angle suit my stroke. My putting has improved a lot!

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was in golf town today trying putters. i only have 2; a brass epperson that i am sure no one has ever heard of, and  my current odessey 550 duoforce that saved my bacon all of last year and now i cannot find the sweet spot on it. tried a TM rossa monza putter. bizzare looking thing but man does it feel sweet. how long is the honeymoon period again???  

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What’s the consensus on the Futura?

Chili, I agree with Randy.  I tried one the other day, and was astonished at how light it is.  Much too light for me, since I seem to specialize in really long putts.  And just felt weird, in the bargain. I have an Accupath Model I from golftourproducts, and like it a great deal.  As a component club, of course it’s quite reasonably priced, and I find it the equal of the Odyssey 2-ball.  A slight bit lighter perhaps, but not at all objectionably so.  If you haven’t looked at it, might be worth a glance. Peter

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What’s the consensus on the Futura? Chili, I agree with Randy.  I tried one the other day, and was astonished at how light it is.  Much too light for me, since I seem to specialize in really long putts.  And just felt weird, in the bargain.

Those seem to be my foray too.  Probably why I’ve come to like a head heavy putter. I have an Accupath Model I from golftourproducts, and like it a great deal.  As a component club, of course it’s quite reasonably priced, and I find it the equal of the Odyssey 2-ball.  A slight bit lighter perhaps, but not at all objectionably so.  If you haven’t looked at it, might be worth a glance.

That’s one I don’t think I’ve seen.  I’ll check out their website.  The only thing is – and the reason I don’t consider the Odyssey – I just have a hard time with the look.  I know, I’ve looked at the Futura and the Monza, about as ugly as they come.  It must be the circles.  Stay away from the circles, he hates the circles!(old obscure reference to a Steve Martin movie) — ChiliDipper -gt RSG Roll Call http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=toyg

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<snip What’s the consensus on the Futura?  I know it’s butt ugly, but, even being a putterholic, I’ve never made the journey into Scottyville.  Has anyone tried it versus the Taylor Made Monza?

When I first saw the Futura I thought "what is that cockamamy thing". I got a chace to make a few putts with one and I was surprised how light it was (it looks like a monster). Long story short. Bought it , love it, sleep with it, will never give it up. Pricey but it was worth it AFAIC. mark from muskoka —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – <snip What’s the consensus on the Futura?  I know it’s butt ugly, but, even being a putterholic, I’ve never made the journey into Scottyville.  Has anyone tried it versus the Taylor Made Monza? When I first saw the Futura I thought "what is that cockamamy thing". I got a chace to make a few putts with one and I was surprised how light it was (it looks like a monster). Long story short. Bought it , love it, sleep with it, will never give it up. Pricey but it was worth it AFAIC. mark from muskoka

I just need to cajole the head pro into getting one into the shop so I can take it out to the practice green and roll some with it.  I usually don’t go for lighter putters, but, too many people are loving this one to not try it out for myself. — ChiliDipper -gt RSG Roll Call http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=toyg

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<snip What’s the consensus on the Futura?  I know it’s butt ugly, but, even being a putterholic, I’ve never made the journey into Scottyville.  Has anyone tried it versus the Taylor Made Monza? When I first saw the Futura I thought "what is that cockamamy thing". I got a chace to make a few putts with one and I was surprised how light it was (it looks like a monster). Long story short. Bought it , love it, sleep with it

TMI.

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Hi, My name’s ChiliDipper(well, actually, that’s just a screen name in this newsgroup, not my real name!) and I’m a putterholic.  I know some years ago we did the putterholic thing where a number of us fessed up to how many putters we’ve used/owned/own, with Randy the leader by a country mile. Since my on course forays have been sporadic for a while, I’ve had a couple of PINGs that have been sharing the duties, with only a few more sitting around the house.  I’m bored now, and, haven’t been rolling the rock well when I’ve been out.  I know it’s not the stick, but, the stickee(?), however, being the club ho I am, it’s the perfect excuse for a new flatstick. What’s the consensus on the Futura?  I know it’s butt ugly, but, even being a putterholic, I’ve never made the journey into Scottyville.  Has anyone tried it versus the Taylor Made Monza? As an aside, I’ve built a fair number of component putters, but, have yet to find one that matches up with the better OEM’s.  This is the opposite of my experience with irons, woods, wedges.  Any success stories with component putters? As always, thanks for any and all opinions/ideas/suggestions/reviews/info/etc…. — ChiliDipper -gt RSG Roll Call http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=toyg

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I have not owned a Futura (surprised?), but I was interested in it, partly because I saw one last year and was intrigued by the looks of it (and by the fact that the player carrying it told me it was the most amazing putter he’d ever used), partly because I’ve always liked having a face-balanced mallet-headed putter to go to when my stroke goes south (my weapon of choice for that right now is the Odyssey 2-ball putter, though I still prefer my Scotty Newport or some derivative thereof).  So when I saw a Futura in the pro shop a few months ago (the first and only one I’ve seen in Atlanta), I was extremely interested in checking it out.  So I did. It’s too damn light.  Looking at it, you’d never guess that.  But I didn’t like the feel of it striking the ball.  Too much vibration, and the putter was just too damn light for me.  I prefer a slightly heavier putter (though not as heavy as what I’ve affectionately called the Pegg Anvil).  My stroke tends to be slow and rhythmic.  The heavier head tends to keep me from "lifting" (or grabbing) the putter going back.  I can just swing it rhythmically. I spent about 15 minutes with it, both in the pro shop, and they let me take it out on the practice green (at Windermere, where the bentgrass greens are pretty quick).  I came away thinking it was just too damn light.  On slower, bumpier greens (which, to some people, requires a lighter putter), it might be just the ticket.  But not for me. Hadn’t given it another thought since that day.  Until now. My 2-cents. Randy RSG Resident Putterholic

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, My name’s ChiliDipper(well, actually, that’s just a screen name in this newsgroup, not my real name!) and I’m a putterholic.  I know some years ago we did the putterholic thing where a number of us fessed up to how many putters we’ve used/owned/own, with Randy the leader by a country mile. Since my on course forays have been sporadic for a while, I’ve had a couple of PINGs that have been sharing the duties, with only a few more sitting around the house.  I’m bored now, and, haven’t been rolling the rock well when I’ve been out.  I know it’s not the stick, but, the stickee(?), however, being the club ho I am, it’s the perfect excuse for a new flatstick. What’s the consensus on the Futura?  I know it’s butt ugly, but, even being a putterholic, I’ve never made the journey into Scottyville.  Has anyone tried it versus the Taylor Made Monza? As an aside, I’ve built a fair number of component putters, but, have yet to find one that matches up with the better OEM’s.  This is the opposite of my experience with irons, woods, wedges.  Any success stories with component putters? As always, thanks for any and all opinions/ideas/suggestions/reviews/info/etc…. — ChiliDipper -gt RSG Roll Call http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=toyg

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have not owned a Futura (surprised?), but I was interested in it, partly because I saw one last year and was intrigued by the looks of it (and by the fact that the player carrying it told me it was the most amazing putter he’d ever used), partly because I’ve always liked having a face-balanced mallet-headed putter to go to when my stroke goes south (my weapon of choice for that right now is the Odyssey 2-ball putter, though I still prefer my Scotty Newport or some derivative thereof).  So when I saw a Futura in the pro shop a few months ago (the first and only one I’ve seen in Atlanta), I was extremely interested in checking it out.  So I did. It’s too damn light.  Looking at it, you’d never guess that.  But I didn’t like the feel of it striking the ball.  Too much vibration, and the putter was just too damn light for me.  I prefer a slightly heavier putter (though not as heavy as what I’ve affectionately called the Pegg Anvil).  My stroke tends to be slow and rhythmic.  The heavier head tends to keep me from "lifting" (or grabbing) the putter going back.  I can just swing it rhythmically. I spent about 15 minutes with it, both in the pro shop, and they let me take it out on the practice green (at Windermere, where the bentgrass greens are pretty quick).  I came away thinking it was just too damn light.  On slower, bumpier greens (which, to some people, requires a lighter putter), it might be just the ticket.  But not for me. Hadn’t given it another thought since that day.  Until now. My 2-cents. Randy RSG Resident Putterholic

Being too light wasn’t a problem I’d have the Futura would have.  If anything, I thought the look of the thing would have been distracting!  I like head-heavy putters also.  I’ve actually tried the Monza on the indoor practice green at one of the local golf shops. It was also much lighter than I would have imagined by the size of the head. However, the alignment of the big, ugly thing was very easy for me, and, I stroked it well on the Astroturf.  Alas, there was no real practice green on which to give it a go. So, that was enough to get me to consider the current crop of big-headed, ugly MOI-type putters.  I think I’ll see if the shop at Old Silo will be getting some in so I can try it on their practice greens – which are excellent.  Unfortunately, I know they don’t carry Taylor Made clubs – my personal favorites, generally speaking, among the OEM clubs. — ChiliDipper -gt RSG Roll Call http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=toyg

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, My name’s ChiliDipper(well, actually, that’s just a screen name in this newsgroup, not my real name!) and I’m a putterholic.  I know some years ago we did the putterholic thing where a number of us fessed up to how many putters we’ve used/owned/own, with Randy the leader by a country mile. Since my on course forays have been sporadic for a while, I’ve had a couple of PINGs that have been sharing the duties, with only a few more sitting around the house.  I’m bored now, and, haven’t been rolling the rock well when I’ve been out.  I know it’s not the stick, but, the stickee(?), however, being the club ho I am, it’s the perfect excuse for a new flatstick. What’s the consensus on the Futura?  I know it’s butt ugly, but, even being a putterholic, I’ve never made the journey into Scottyville.  Has anyone tried it versus the Taylor Made Monza? As an aside, I’ve built a fair number of component putters, but, have yet to find one that matches up with the better OEM’s.  This is the opposite of my experience with irons, woods, wedges.  Any success stories with component putters? As always, thanks for any and all opinions/ideas/suggestions/reviews/info/etc….

FWIW this is the one that has really worked for me. I don’t let anyone touch it http://www.golfworks.com/item_disp.asp?pn=PETT&bhcd2=1060453845

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