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I still cannot get over the Craig Stadler disqualification of a number of years ago. I cannot come to the conclusion that he was gaining advantage by artificially improving his stance by kneeling on a towel so that he would not stain his trousers. (Because he did not take penalty strokes for doing so, and thus signed a wrong scorecard, he was disqualified – have I got that right?) Anyway, IMO assessing a penalty for that was not in the spirit of the game.
Yes, disqualified for submitting a lower score than actually taken. He does not have to gain an advantage – if the rules of the game say you can’t do it, then you can’t do it. Penalty strokes are issued on the principle of negating any potential advantage, not about any actually gained. Not in the spirit of the game? Playing by the rules _is_ the spirit of the game. How can anyone, not just Staedler, break a rule, fail to pay the required penalty, and be considered to be playing in the ’spirit of the game’?
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1) A romantic relationship is always appropriate if you have met the right person. Denying your chance at love, the most important thing in the world, just because others may think it is inappropriate, is just stupid.
Insecure, close-minded people can’t understand what you are talking about. Those are the people who are so miserable, they want others to be miserable also. tim
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The way that whole thing went down last week still bothers me. Letting the officials take her at her so-called word, knowing full well that Votaw would fire them if they ruled against his g/f makes the LPGA once again look like an amateurish organization. No wonder the ratings and tournament purses are still miniscule.
I’m not seeing that this is at all the cause for those ratings and purses.
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These are the same people who immediately conclude that Hillary Clinton was guilty of something just because she made lots of money trading cattle I wonder what Limbaugh, Coulter, and Hannity would be saying if Hillary had killed her boyfriend when she was a teenager.
You are trying to make a point here? Does it have anything to do with Golf?
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1) A romantic relationship is always appropriate if you have met the right person. Denying your chance at love, the most important thing in the world, just because others may think it is inappropriate, is just stupid.
It’s only appropiate if it works out and doesn’t hurt anyone else. I can assure you that if Ty and Sophie had broken their relationship off a couple of months prior to this incident and things didn’t go Sophie’s way, Ty would be looking at a sexual harassment lawsuit. There are some situations where it is indeed stupid to look for love. Only a moron would dispute that.
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Why don’t we let GolfWorld officiate all tourneys then, since their fine reporters are beyond reproach !
….Or we could just let you tell us your reports and we can say ‘it has to be true!’ Geez, get a life buddy
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They’re golfers. They’ve been living with themselves for years. It’s the rest of humanity that thinks they suck.
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Oh, high and mighty Richard. Why can’t two grown people have a relationship without a weak minded person huffing and puffing about how it’s going to ruin the game..boo hoo. Sounds to me like you ‘are’ the type of person who would let a relationship get in the way of the ‘best interests’ of the game. Away with you and your conspiracy theories
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Perception is everything, Doug. Ty Votaw put Gustafson and himself in a position to be questioned by choosing to have a relationship that is not in the best interests of the game. You have to ask yourself what does Ty and Susan get out of it. I think last week’s tourney may begin to answer that question.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Letting the officials take her at her so-called word, knowing full well that Votaw would fire them if they ruled against his g/f makes the LPGA once again look like an amateurish organization. This is probably a troll, but I’m gonna bite anyway. This is possibly the stupidest, most ignorant statement that an adult could make. Do you really believe that the head of an organization would, or even could, fire someone for doing his job? Let’s play this out. The official rules against SG; TyVo fires that person (without cause, I might add); the official files a wrongful dismissal suit; the person wins a multi million dollar defamation and damages judgement; TyVo is deemed responsible; The LPGA BoD fires him (with cause). Now let’s enter the real world. SG knew the situation was unusual, she didn’t ground her club in this one instance, keeping it 1/32 of an inch off the grass, the ball moved, she sought a ruling, received one, played on and won the tournament. Everyone lives happily ever after, except RW, who feels there is injustice even when the rest of the world has moved on. How are things in the dead horse flogging business anyway, Richard? The GolfWorld I got in the mail today reports that Sophie always hovers her putter behind the ball until she finishes taking her stance. It it doesn’t take a great leap of faith to believe that she noticed the ball was likely to move and didn’t ground her putter at all. Maybe it doesn’t look so good that they are dating, but I think that the correct decision was made. Oh….since GolfWorld reports it…it has to be true !!! Why don’t we let GolfWorld officiate all tourneys then, since their fine reporters are beyond reproach ! The replays on Sophies putting routine prior to and after the 14th showed she always grounded her putter well before striking. She’s a liar and so is anyone defending her.
Welcome to my killfile….
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Weather Bookie, this was one of the best posts I have read on RSG in a long time. IMHO, for what ever it’s worth, I totally agree with you. Common sense STILL prevails but forever & always people will continue to believe (& see) what they want to. Be it right or wrong. Thanks for a great post!!
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says… Oh, put a cork in it. Old news. — Neal B. Richmond, VA RSG Roll Call: http://rec-sport-golf.com/?rc=beasleyneal
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with: Welcome to my killfile….
Ha! Beat you by two posts 
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with: 5) Compared to controversial rulings on the football field where the entire game turns, this ruling was very minor. The alleged infraction was incidental and very minor. The best girl that day won. The "spirit of the game" would have been violated horribly if she did not ground her club and was penalized anyway … ie… like the Duffy Waldorf thing.
I still cannot get over the Craig Stadler disqualification of a number of years ago. I cannot come to the conclusion that he was gaining advantage by artificially improving his stance by kneeling on a towel so that he would not stain his trousers. (Because he did not take penalty strokes for doing so, and thus signed a wrong scorecard, he was disqualified – have I got that right?) Anyway, IMO assessing a penalty for that was not in the spirit of the game.
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These are the same people who immediately conclude that Hillary Clinton was guilty of something just because she made lots of money trading cattle
I wonder what Limbaugh, Coulter, and Hannity would be saying if Hillary had killed her boyfriend when she was a teenager.
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The replays on Sophies putting routine prior to and after the 14th showed she always grounded her putter well before striking. She’s a liar and so is anyone defending her.
You were picked up on radar driving 40 in a 30 zone. Does this mean you ALWAYS drive 40 in every 30 zone you pass through? The issue was behaviour on #14. Behaviour and actions on 1-13 and 15-18 are irrelevant in determining what happened on 14. She says she didn’t ground the club; you say she did. Let’s pause for a moment and determine credibility, shall we. You’re sitting at home on the couch, watching a television set, with a couple of announcers yelling "Cheater" while Sophie’s actually there, playing professional golf, fully aware of the rules and making sure there is no violation, then consilting an official to make sure everything’s ok. Hmmmmmm….I’ll go with Sophie. — Doug Main "It’s never too late to have a happy childhood."
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<snip Oh….since GolfWorld reports it…it has to be true !!! Why don’t we let GolfWorld officiate all tourneys then, since their fine reporters are beyond reproach ! <snip
Then you would disagree with the same issue of GolfWorld, as they make it very clear that they think the relationship is inappropriate. — Jim Sabatke Hire Me!! – See my resume at http://my.execpc.com/~jsabatke Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and good with ketchup.
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1) A romantic relationship is always appropriate if you have met the right person. Denying your chance at love, the most important thing in the world, just because others may think it is inappropriate, is just stupid. 2) People who think that Ty Votaw had anything to do with that ruling are the same kind of people who believe in guilt by association. No way he could fire an official for ruling against his girlfriend. This is not Saddam Hussein. These are the same people who immediately conclude that Hillary Clinton was guilty of something just because she made lots of money trading cattle or that the Enron debacle was George Bush’s fault because they both are from Texas and both in the oil business. Never mind that Bill Clinton was president when Enron was dirty dealing or that Hillary made a lucky, but rather routine and well documented, cattle trade. The facts don’t matter…guilty by reason of association. 3) The TV shot of Sophie’s putter was poor and the ground behind the ball was sharply lower than the ball making it very possible that her putter was not grounded even though it looked like it was. 4) The infraction in question was not "cheating". Sophie was not trying to improve her lie or using an illegal driver. 5) Compared to controversial rulings on the football field where the entire game turns, this ruling was very minor. The alleged infraction was incidental and very minor. The best girl that day won. The "spirit of the game" would have been violated horribly if she did not ground her club and was penalized anyway … ie… like the Duffy Waldorf thing.
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says… Oh….since GolfWorld reports it…it has to be true !!! Why don’t we let GolfWorld officiate all tourneys then, since their fine reporters are beyond reproach ! The replays on Sophies putting routine prior to and after the 14th showed she always grounded her putter well before striking. She’s a liar and so is anyone defending her.
Did someone piss in your grits this morning? — Kenny Stultz – Troll and SPAM intolerant RSG Rollcall: http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=stultzk "Golf is the only sport where a precise knowledge of the Rules can earn one a reputation for bad sportsmanship"
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Letting the officials take her at her so-called word, knowing full well that Votaw would fire them if they ruled against his g/f makes the LPGA once again look like an amateurish organization. This is probably a troll, but I’m gonna bite anyway. This is possibly the stupidest, most ignorant statement that an adult could make. Do you really believe that the head of an organization would, or even could, fire someone for doing his job? Let’s play this out. The official rules against SG; TyVo fires that person (without cause, I might add); the official files a wrongful dismissal suit; the person wins a multi million dollar defamation and damages judgement; TyVo is deemed responsible; The LPGA BoD fires him (with cause). Now let’s enter the real world. SG knew the situation was unusual, she didn’t ground her club in this one instance, keeping it 1/32 of an inch off the grass, the ball moved, she sought a ruling, received one, played on and won the tournament. Everyone lives happily ever after, except RW, who feels there is injustice even when the rest of the world has moved on. How are things in the dead horse flogging business anyway, Richard? The GolfWorld I got in the mail today reports that Sophie always hovers her putter behind the ball until she finishes taking her stance. It it doesn’t take a great leap of faith to believe that she noticed the ball was likely to move and didn’t ground her putter at all. Maybe it doesn’t look so good that they are dating, but I think that the correct decision was made. Oh….since GolfWorld reports it…it has to be true !!! Why don’t we let GolfWorld officiate all tourneys then, since their fine reporters are beyond reproach ! The replays on Sophies putting routine prior to and after the 14th showed she always grounded her putter well before striking. She’s a liar and so is anyone defending her.
So tell me … if that was you would you have grounded your putter? I wouldn’t have knowing the ball could have moved. That’s smart play and well within the rules of golf.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Letting the officials take her at her so-called word, knowing full well that Votaw would fire them if they ruled against his g/f makes the LPGA once again look like an amateurish organization. This is probably a troll, but I’m gonna bite anyway. This is possibly the stupidest, most ignorant statement that an adult could make. Do you really believe that the head of an organization would, or even could, fire someone for doing his job? Let’s play this out. The official rules against SG; TyVo fires that person (without cause, I might add); the official files a wrongful dismissal suit; the person wins a multi million dollar defamation and damages judgement; TyVo is deemed responsible; The LPGA BoD fires him (with cause). Now let’s enter the real world. SG knew the situation was unusual, she didn’t ground her club in this one instance, keeping it 1/32 of an inch off the grass, the ball moved, she sought a ruling, received one, played on and won the tournament. Everyone lives happily ever after, except RW, who feels there is injustice even when the rest of the world has moved on. How are things in the dead horse flogging business anyway, Richard?
The GolfWorld I got in the mail today reports that Sophie always hovers her putter behind the ball until she finishes taking her stance. It it doesn’t take a great leap of faith to believe that she noticed the ball was likely to move and didn’t ground her putter at all. Maybe it doesn’t look so good that they are dating, but I think that the correct decision was made. — Jim Sabatke Hire Me!! – See my resume at http://my.execpc.com/~jsabatke Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and good with ketchup.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Letting the officials take her at her so-called word, knowing full well that Votaw would fire them if they ruled against his g/f makes the LPGA once again look like an amateurish organization. This is probably a troll, but I’m gonna bite anyway. This is possibly the stupidest, most ignorant statement that an adult could make. Do you really believe that the head of an organization would, or even could, fire someone for doing his job? Let’s play this out. The official rules against SG; TyVo fires that person (without cause, I might add); the official files a wrongful dismissal suit; the person wins a multi million dollar defamation and damages judgement; TyVo is deemed responsible; The LPGA BoD fires him (with cause). Now let’s enter the real world. SG knew the situation was unusual, she didn’t ground her club in this one instance, keeping it 1/32 of an inch off the grass, the ball moved, she sought a ruling, received one, played on and won the tournament. Everyone lives happily ever after, except RW, who feels there is injustice even when the rest of the world has moved on. How are things in the dead horse flogging business anyway, Richard? The GolfWorld I got in the mail today reports that Sophie always hovers her putter behind the ball until she finishes taking her stance. It it doesn’t take a great leap of faith to believe that she noticed the ball was likely to move and didn’t ground her putter at all. Maybe it doesn’t look so good that they are dating, but I think that the correct decision was made.
Oh….since GolfWorld reports it…it has to be true !!! Why don’t we let GolfWorld officiate all tourneys then, since their fine reporters are beyond reproach ! The replays on Sophies putting routine prior to and after the 14th showed she always grounded her putter well before striking. She’s a liar and so is anyone defending her.
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We don’t know if this is corrupt, but it doesn’t look to great. Ken – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The way that whole thing went down last week still bothers me. Letting the officials take her at her so-called word, knowing full well that Votaw would fire them if they ruled against his g/f makes the LPGA once again look like an amateurish organization. No wonder the ratings and tournament purses are still miniscule.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Letting the officials take her at her so-called word, knowing full well that Votaw would fire them if they ruled against his g/f makes the LPGA once again look like an amateurish organization. This is probably a troll, but I’m gonna bite anyway. This is possibly the stupidest, most ignorant statement that an adult could make. Do you really believe that the head of an organization would, or even could, fire someone for doing his job? Let’s play this out. The official rules against SG; TyVo fires that person (without cause, I might add); the official files a wrongful dismissal suit; the person wins a multi million dollar defamation and damages judgement; TyVo is deemed responsible; The LPGA BoD fires him (with cause). Now let’s enter the real world. SG knew the situation was unusual, she didn’t ground her club in this one instance, keeping it 1/32 of an inch off the grass, the ball moved, she sought a ruling, received one, played on and won the tournament. Everyone lives happily ever after, except RW, who feels there is injustice even when the rest of the world has moved on. How are things in the dead horse flogging business anyway, Richard?
Perception is everything, Doug. Ty Votaw put Gustafson and himself in a position to be questioned by choosing to have a relationship that is not in the best interests of the game. You have to ask yourself what does Ty and Susan get out of it. I think last week’s tourney may begin to answer that question.
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Letting the officials take her at her so-called word, knowing full well that Votaw would fire them if they ruled against his g/f makes the LPGA once again look like an amateurish organization.
This is probably a troll, but I’m gonna bite anyway. This is possibly the stupidest, most ignorant statement that an adult could make. Do you really believe that the head of an organization would, or even could, fire someone for doing his job? Let’s play this out. The official rules against SG; TyVo fires that person (without cause, I might add); the official files a wrongful dismissal suit; the person wins a multi million dollar defamation and damages judgement; TyVo is deemed responsible; The LPGA BoD fires him (with cause). Now let’s enter the real world. SG knew the situation was unusual, she didn’t ground her club in this one instance, keeping it 1/32 of an inch off the grass, the ball moved, she sought a ruling, received one, played on and won the tournament. Everyone lives happily ever after, except RW, who feels there is injustice even when the rest of the world has moved on. How are things in the dead horse flogging business anyway, Richard? — Doug Main "It’s never too late to have a happy childhood."
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The way that whole thing went down last week still bothers me. Letting the officials take her at her so-called word, knowing full well that Votaw would fire them if they ruled against his g/f makes the LPGA once again look like an amateurish organization. No wonder the ratings and tournament purses are still miniscule.