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These are official statisical designations…however, I count unencumbered putts from the fringe as a green in reg and a putt for my own personal stats. Thus, I hit more greens and take more putts (about one a round more) that I would if I used the official PGA way of keeping stats. By the way…putts per round is a nearly useless stat
Useless for determining the US Open champion? Yes. Useless for determining the best putter on Tour? Yes. Useless for evaluating your game in general? No.
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Useless for determining the US Open champion? Yes. Useless for determining the best putter on Tour? Yes. Useless for evaluating your game in general? No.
But I think the point is that it doesn’t necessarily tell you how well someone is putting. A low putts per round could mean they had a lousy day hitting GIRs but chipped well. I think is was on the European PGA site that I saw both a putts-per-round" AND a "putts-per-GIR" stat. I think those together paint a more complete picture. Dave Clary/Corpus Christi, Tx Home: http://home.stx.rr.com/dclary Never Forget: http://www.politicsandprotest.org RSG Roll Call http://www.rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=claryd
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Useless for determining the US Open champion? Yes. Useless for determining the best putter on Tour? Yes. Useless for evaluating your game in general? No. But I think the point is that it doesn’t necessarily tell you how well someone is putting. A low putts per round could mean they had a lousy day hitting GIRs but chipped well. I think is was on the European PGA site that I saw both a putts-per-round" AND a "putts-per-GIR" stat. I think those together paint a more complete picture.
You are right that both putts per round and putts per GIR together paint a more complete picture but at the same time either figures on its own can tell you a lot if sufficient rounds are used to compile the statistic. Also there are a few key statistics for which there is sufficient supporting data to enable a player to make a good estimate of they playing skill in certain areas of their game. For example if a player averages 30 putts per round then they are putting at about the standard of a scratch player if however they only manage 2 GIRs then they are playing to about a 25 handicap. If you assemble a good enough picture then statistics can be quite revealing in what they show to be a players weakness on the course.
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Two friends of mine play together on a regular basis. They bet small amounts of money on the fewest putts in the course of 18 holes. What happened was that one persons ball was on the green. He hit his first putt off the green. He used his putter to hit the ball back onto the green, because the pin was close by, and hit the ball a third time into the hole. The question that was posed to me was did he 3 putt or 2 putt. The person who did all of the puttng said he 2 putted and according to the rule book he had, the second shot that he made with his putter was technically a chip. The other person said he 3 putted.
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The PGA doesn’t pay attention to what club is used. Once the ball is sitting on the green, all subsequent shots are counted as putts.
Not ‘all subsequent shots’!! If you putt and your ball goes off the green your next shot is not a ‘putt’ for statistical purposes. Only strokes made at a ball while it is on the green are counted as ‘putts’…even if they are played with a wedge, and even if they are ‘chipped’, as has been known to happen. cheers david
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Useless for determining the US Open champion? Yes. Useless for determining the best putter on Tour? Yes. Useless for evaluating your game in general? No. But I think the point is that it doesn’t necessarily tell you how well someone is putting. A low putts per round could mean they had a lousy day hitting GIRs but chipped well. I think is was on the European PGA site that I saw both a putts-per-round" AND a "putts-per-GIR" stat. I think those together paint a more complete picture.
Yeah, for sure. But it’s one of those things where it *might* definitely tell you something. 31 putts might not tell you anything, but 37 does.
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Only strokes made at a ball while it is on the green are counted as ‘putts’…even if they are played with a wedge, and even if they are ‘chipped’, as has been known to happen.
Yup, saw it at a US Open one time.
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31 putts might not tell you anything, but 37 does.
Yeah, it does! 
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The PGA doesn’t pay attention to what club is used. Once the ball is sitting on the green, all subsequent shots are counted as putts. Not ‘all subsequent shots’!! If you putt and your ball goes off the green your next shot is not a ‘putt’ for statistical purposes. Only strokes made at a ball while it is on the green are counted as ‘putts’…even if they are played with a wedge, and even if they are ‘chipped’, as has been known to happen.
Are you sure? I could easily be wrong, and would like to see a citation either way. To me it makes sense to count all strokes caused by bad putting (and that’s what I do when I track my putts). But it’s up to the PGA (and other tour) to decide how they track pro statistics.
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Two friends of mine play together on a regular basis. They bet small amounts of money on the fewest putts in the course of 18 holes. What happened was that one persons ball was on the green. He hit his first putt off the green. He used his putter to hit the ball back onto the green, because the pin was close by, and hit the ball a third time into the hole. The question that was posed to me was did he 3 putt or 2 putt. The person who did all of the puttng said he 2 putted and according to the rule book he had, the second shot that he made with his putter was technically a chip. The other person said he 3 putted.
If he was on the PGA tour, the statistics keepers would have put down 3. And I would agree that his putting cost him 3 strokes (even if one of those was a chip). But PGA statistics aren’t Rules of Golf.
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If he was on the PGA tour, the statistics keepers would have put down 3. And I would agree that his putting cost him 3 strokes (even if one of those was a chip).
I’m told I am wrong here – but you might wait to see if someone has a citation. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – But PGA statistics aren’t Rules of Golf.
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Are you sure? I could easily be wrong, and would like to see a citation either way.
I do not have a citation to quote….but every time I have done walking ‘rules’ at a PGA or ‘Open’ event we have also been required to maintain statistics for each player in the group…..and to this end a ‘putt’ is simply a stroke made at the ball while it is on the green. Apart from this and total strokes for each hole we are also required to make note of ’sand saves’ (ie ‘up and down’ from greenside bunkers). Most of these tasks are usually maintained by the lady ’score-keepers’ who walk with each group…….but as the ‘rules’ man with each group is in charge of and responsible for all extraneous activities surrounding the group (eg score board carriers, group ‘marshalls’, crowd control people, bunker maintenance marshalls etc etc) it is the ‘rules’ man who usually ends up telling the score-keepers what actually happened! cheers david
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Officially, it doesn’t count as a putt unless it’s on the green. Randy
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In the course of 18 holes, you count all of your putts. Your ball is off the green when you hit it with your putter. Is that stroke counted as a putt?
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In the course of 18 holes, you count all of your putts. Your ball is off the green when you hit it with your putter. Is that stroke counted as a putt?
For what purpose are you counting your putts? How the PGA counts them may or may not be the way you want to count them. The PGA doesn’t pay attention to what club is used. Once the ball is sitting on the green, all subsequent shots are counted as putts. If this is useful to you, you can count it the same way.
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These are official statisical designations…however, I count unencumbered putts from the fringe as a green in reg and a putt for my own personal stats. Thus, I hit more greens and take more putts (about one a round more) that I would if I used the official PGA way of keeping stats. By the way…putts per round is a nearly useless stat
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In the course of 18 holes, you count all of your putts. Your ball is off the green when you hit it with your putter. Is that stroke counted as a putt? Once a stroke has been played from the putting green, that stroke and any others played subsequently at that hole are counted as putts regardless of the club used or the location of the ball when the stroke is played. That wasn’t the question, David. If you’re on the collar, having not reached the green, and you leave the pin in, we know that it isn’t counted as a putt. However, I’ve been told that if you have the pin removed, or tended, it *is*. Have a ruling for that?
My answer covers that. If you haven’t yet played a stroke from the putting green, then it’s not a putt. Note, there’s no official Rules of Golf method for counting putts. http://www.usga.org/rules/faq/index.html (under Misc.) or: http://www.usga.org/rules/faq/main.asp?FAQidx=123 — http://rec-sport-golf.com/?rc=hayesd
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No it is not considered a putt. Steve
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In the course of 18 holes, you count all of your putts. Your ball is off the green when you hit it with your putter. Is that stroke counted as a putt? Once a stroke has been played from the putting green, that stroke and any others played subsequently at that hole are counted as putts regardless of the club used or the location of the ball when the stroke is played.
That wasn’t the question, David. If you’re on the collar, having not reached the green, and you leave the pin in, we know that it isn’t counted as a putt. However, I’ve been told that if you have the pin removed, or tended, it *is*. Have a ruling for that? ___, o | / . "Someone likes every shot" bk
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In the course of 18 holes, you count all of your putts. Your ball is off the green when you hit it with your putter. Is that stroke counted as a putt?
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In the course of 18 holes, you count all of your putts. Your ball is off the green when you hit it with your putter. Is that stroke counted as a putt?
Once a stroke has been played from the putting green, that stroke and any others played subsequently at that hole are counted as putts regardless of the club used or the location of the ball when the stroke is played. — http://rec-sport-golf.com/?rc=hayesd
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no..
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