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Jeff….the larger face driver doesn’t cause me to swing outside in. I believe it accentuates side spin because I’m hitting the ball on the upper face of the club, not the sweet spot, thus causing both side and backspin.
OK, I can’t think of any reason it would cause any sidespin just because of that, but if that’s what’s happening….
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I have a Wilson Deep Red 365cc driver 9.5 with stiff graphite shaft. I can work it left and work it right and hit it straight. Not always to plan, but I can do it. Its the best driver I have hit and owned. Sure it looks like a PT Cruiser on a stick of liquorice, and gets you some funny ribs from fellow players for its risque name and it despite all the "can’t work it" jibes, you can. It just take practice….
I’d love to have a car that color. I also had a 10 handicapper pick it up from me, on a par 4 the other day and he drove the green with a nice draw with his first hit. He said "I can’t see what all this unworkable fuss is about" and promptly hit another to prove it (again drove the green). He does hit a nice draw though….
I hate guys like that. One of my swing problems is lack of release, combined with too much tension in shoulders and arms. I can fade or draw my smaller clubs, but for some reason, I get release-freeze on the driver. I have an appointment with a pro this afternoon who diagnosed this. He claims he can teach me to be more of a "speed/hand" swinger vs. a muscle hitter I am now. My primary reason to seeing him is that he includes digital pictures, beginning of lesson, and end. I intend to post these on a web page tonight. -Greg
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Oh it spins it alright, but a downward blow causes backspin, not sidespin. Agree. I hit colored tees which reveal that I rarely toe or heel a shot. My problem, aside from steepness, is the impact angle, which too often reveals a slight outside/in.
Ah. With the large face drivers, that turns into a banana vs. an acceptable fade.
Sorry, I’m still not getting it. Why would a large face driver make you more likely to swing outside/in? Jeff….the larger face driver doesn’t cause me to swing outside in. I believe it accentuates side spin because I’m hitting the ball on the upper face of the club, not the sweet spot, thus causing both side and backspin. With my lower profile clubhead, I usually just get backspin, causing a low trajectory. Great for Texas golf…but not always suitable in Oregon. -Greg
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I’ve been doing some serious shopping with demos. Played a 365cc Wilson Deep Red today. I definitely noticed some difference in distance….about 25 yards. But….I lost some accuracy, and the ability to work the ball left or right. <snip Comments/advice please!!!!! -Greg
I have a Wilson Deep Red 365cc driver 9.5 with stiff graphite shaft. I can work it left and work it right and hit it straight. Not always to plan, but I can do it. Its the best driver I have hit and owned. Sure it looks like a PT Cruiser on a stick of liquorice, and gets you some funny ribs from fellow players for its risque name and it despite all the "can’t work it" jibes, you can. It just take practice…. I also had a 10 handicapper pick it up from me, on a par 4 the other day and he drove the green with a nice draw with his first hit. He said "I can’t see what all this unworkable fuss is about" and promptly hit another to prove it (again drove the green). He does hit a nice draw though…. Scopey.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – One key problem is my swing. A pro looked at it and noted I’m too steep on the downswing, causing me to hit high in the face, thus causing more sidespin than normal. I don’t understand Greg – why would this be so? Apparently I’m striking the ball with a downward motion, vs. a sweeping motion. Works great with fairway woods and irons, but stinks when it comes to T shots. As to how that motion spins the ball, ’tis a mystery to me.
Oh it spins it alright, but a downward blow causes backspin, not sidespin. Agree. I hit colored tees which reveal that I rarely toe or heel a shot. My problem, aside from steepness, is the impact angle, which too often reveals a slight outside/in.
Ah. With the large face drivers, that turns into a banana vs. an acceptable
fade. Sorry, I’m still not getting it. Why would a large face driver make you more likely to swing outside/in?
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been doing some serious shopping with demos. Played a 365cc Wilson Deep Red today. I definitely noticed some difference in distance….about 25 yards. But….I lost some accuracy, and the ability to work the ball left or right. I’m used to a 250cc low profile steel Orlimar head. It’s quite a jump to move to a big headed driver. For one thing, I miss the feel and sound reward when I hit one on the screws. One key problem is my swing. A pro looked at it and noted I’m too steep on the downswing, causing me to hit high in the face, thus causing more sidespin than normal. Apparently my existing driver compensates for that, in that I hit it pretty straight, but I lose distance. He recommended I groove a flatter swing first, then perhaps purchase the Deep Red driver, 305cc, which are available at Gart Sports for $179. He explained that the smaller head drivers from most manufacturers are being replaced by the gonzo heads. They are unloading the 300cc drivers at severely discounted prices. Comments/advice please!!!!! -Greg My first reaction to your comment on your swing is that your chest posture is too bent over. Lifting it, raising its attitude, will cure the toe impacts and change the steepness of your shots. It will mean standing closer to the ball, but the posture change will flatten the plane relative to your body. Your swing betrays your natural assets, so rather than fight it, adapt it by the posture change.
You could be right. It’s something I need to monkey with. The pro I referred to just had me flatten my takeaway….he didn’t say anything critical about my posture. -Greg – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Betcha. George Hibbard www.perfectimact.com
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been doing some serious shopping with demos. Played a 365cc Wilson Deep Red today. I definitely noticed some difference in distance….about 25 yards. But….I lost some accuracy, and the ability to work the ball left or right. I’m used to a 250cc low profile steel Orlimar head. It’s quite a jump to move to a big headed driver. For one thing, I miss the feel and sound reward when I hit one on the screws. One key problem is my swing. A pro looked at it and noted I’m too steep on the downswing, causing me to hit high in the face, thus causing more sidespin than normal. Apparently my existing driver compensates for that, in that I hit it pretty straight, but I lose distance. He recommended I groove a flatter swing first, then perhaps purchase the Deep Red driver, 305cc, which are available at Gart Sports for $179. He explained that the smaller head drivers from most manufacturers are being replaced by the gonzo heads. They are unloading the 300cc drivers at severely discounted prices. Comments/advice please!!!!! -Greg My first reaction to your comment on your swing is that your chest posture is too bent over. Lifting it, raising its attitude, will cure the toe impacts and change the steepness of your shots. It will mean standing closer to the ball, but the posture change will flatten the plane relative to your body. Your swing betrays your natural assets, so rather than fight it, adapt it by the posture change. Betcha. George Hibbard www.perfectimact.com
Betcha you never seen Greg’s swing and you’re just fishin Brad
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One key problem is my swing. A pro looked at it and noted I’m too steep on the downswing, causing me to hit high in the face, thus causing more sidespin than normal.
I don’t understand Greg – why would this be so? He recommended I groove a flatter swing first, then perhaps purchase the Deep Red driver, 305cc, which are available at Gart Sports for $179. He explained that the smaller head drivers from most manufacturers are being replaced by the gonzo heads. They are unloading the 300cc drivers at severely discounted prices. Comments/advice please!!!!!
There’s absolutely nothing wrong with a 300 cc driver. A golfer who can’t hit the ball with that probably literally can’t hit the broad side of a barn!
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been doing some serious shopping with demos. Played a 365cc Wilson Deep Red today. I definitely noticed some difference in distance….about 25 yards. But….I lost some accuracy, and the ability to work the ball left or right. I’m used to a 250cc low profile steel Orlimar head. It’s quite a jump to move to a big headed driver. For one thing, I miss the feel and sound reward when I hit one on the screws. One key problem is my swing. A pro looked at it and noted I’m too steep on the downswing, causing me to hit high in the face, thus causing more sidespin than normal. Apparently my existing driver compensates for that, in that I hit it pretty straight, but I lose distance. He recommended I groove a flatter swing first, then perhaps purchase the Deep Red driver, 305cc, which are available at Gart Sports for $179. He explained that the smaller head drivers from most manufacturers are being replaced by the gonzo heads. They are unloading the 300cc drivers at severely discounted prices. Comments/advice please!!!!!
www.tgw.com also carries some Wilson Deep Red 305s at $149…
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One key problem is my swing. A pro looked at it and noted I’m too steep on the downswing, causing me to hit high in the face, thus causing more sidespin than normal. I don’t understand Greg – why would this be so?
Apparently I’m striking the ball with a downward motion, vs. a sweeping motion. Works great with fairway woods and irons, but stinks when it comes to T shots. As to how that motion spins the ball, ’tis a mystery to me. He recommended I groove a flatter swing first, then perhaps purchase the Deep Red driver, 305cc, which are available at Gart Sports for $179. He explained that the smaller head drivers from most manufacturers are being replaced by the gonzo heads. They are unloading the 300cc drivers at severely discounted prices. Comments/advice please!!!!! There’s absolutely nothing wrong with a 300 cc driver. A golfer who can’t hit the ball with that probably literally can’t hit the broad side of a barn!
Agree. I hit colored tees which reveal that I rarely toe or heel a shot. My problem, aside from steepness, is the impact angle, which too often reveals a slight outside/in. With the large face drivers, that turns into a banana vs. an acceptable fade. -Greg
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve been doing some serious shopping with demos. Played a 365cc Wilson Deep Red today. I definitely noticed some difference in distance….about 25 yards. But….I lost some accuracy, and the ability to work the ball left or right. I’m used to a 250cc low profile steel Orlimar head. It’s quite a jump to move to a big headed driver. For one thing, I miss the feel and sound reward when I hit one on the screws. One key problem is my swing. A pro looked at it and noted I’m too steep on the downswing, causing me to hit high in the face, thus causing more sidespin than normal. Apparently my existing driver compensates for that, in that I hit it pretty straight, but I lose distance. He recommended I groove a flatter swing first, then perhaps purchase the Deep Red driver, 305cc, which are available at Gart Sports for $179. He explained that the smaller head drivers from most manufacturers are being replaced by the gonzo heads. They are unloading the 300cc drivers at severely discounted prices. Comments/advice please!!!!! -Greg
My first reaction to your comment on your swing is that your chest posture is too bent over. Lifting it, raising its attitude, will cure the toe impacts and change the steepness of your shots. It will mean standing closer to the ball, but the posture change will flatten the plane relative to your body. Your swing betrays your natural assets, so rather than fight it, adapt it by the posture change. Betcha. George Hibbard www.perfectimact.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
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either that, or integra got unlucky and the 10.5