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|All of the information in the post was supplied by Titanium Sports |Technology. If you have a problem with it, take it up with them… | |Apparently, you should think a little more before posting unprovoked flames. | | No flamage intended – just a little clarification. The 225 days did seem a little odd, tho. Perhaps missing a decimal somewhere ? In my asbestos FootJoys, I remain… The AceyMan tjlever<atmediaone<dotnet
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From personal experience, NO. Low torque graphite shafts are neither cheaper ($50+, same as or more than Ti) nor less harsh than titanium. A high quality graphite shaft is still around 20g lighter though. -joseph – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The current low torque, lightweight graphite shafts are considerably cheaper and less harsh feeling -giving one little reason to opt for titanium.
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Price is probably the #1 reason why we don’t see more titanium shafts on the links –
Yes, $50+ per shaft. they’re expensive and only made in any quantity by one manufacturer (Sandvik).
Do they make the Ti shafts for True Temper and TiSystem? Titanium shafts have consistently tested longer than steel and straighter than both steel and graphite composite shafts.
Sorry, I don’t believe that. The weight of a titanium shaft is nearly equal to that of a high quality composite (graphite) shaft and considerably less than steel shafts.
Humm. The Ti shafts I’ve seen are 100+g, about the same as Rifle Lite and more than a MicroLite steel shaft. Way heavier than the average graphite shaft. Another obstacle confronting the widespread acceptance of titanium shafts concerns the lack of knowledge and experience with titanium shafts by those who sell golf equipment.
Yea, I guess the boys and girls at Golfsmith, Dynacraft, people who fit the pros for OEMs and others don’t know much about shafts. NOT The one thing that the failure of Ti shafts to make a significant dent in the pro market proves is that torque is not the most significant feature in selecting the "best" shaft for any given golfer. John Baima Silver Shot Custom Clubs www.silvershot.com DFW Golf and the Java Swingweight Calculator
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All of the information in the post was supplied by Titanium Sports Technology. If you have a problem with it, take it up with them… Apparently, you should think a little more before posting unprovoked flames.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ||* Titanium’s low modules of elasticity absorbs the shock that is |transmitted up the shaft at impact. Uh, isn’t it "modulus of elasticity?". |* It takes an average of 225 days to produce a titanium shaft. Uh, you can build a house in 3 weeks. A transport plane takes less than a month. Just my thoughts The AceyMan The AceyMan tjlever<atmediaone<dotnet
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Nope, its not one of a kind. I have a 10 year old (I think) Tour Silver titanium shafted Taylor Made Tour plus 9.5 degree driver which hasn’t seen any use in years. Its kinda funny looking at how small the head looks after hitting some ofthe more modern metal drivers. Anyone interested in taking it off of my hands for a few bucks, let me know. Brad Swanson
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a Taylor Made Tour Driver with a titanium shaft, it seems to work well for me. However I never see titanium as am option anywhere for shafts in clubs. Everything is graphite or steel shaft. Does anyone know why it is not available or used. Is my driver one of a kind????
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||* Titanium’s low modules of elasticity absorbs the shock that is |transmitted up the shaft at impact. Uh, isn’t it "modulus of elasticity?". |* It takes an average of 225 days to produce a titanium shaft. Uh, you can build a house in 3 weeks. A transport plane takes less than a month. Just my thoughts The AceyMan The AceyMan tjlever<atmediaone<dotnet
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Ti shafts are still available, but have never been very popular. High price kept them out of most players bags. Their primary benefit was (is?) their combination of light weight and low torque – when low torque graphite shafts were rare. The current low torque, lightweight graphite shafts are considerably cheaper and less harsh feeling -giving one little reason to opt for titanium. — http://home.midsouth.rr.com/joecartpath RSG Roll Call: http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/reedj.htm
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a Taylor Made Tour Driver with a titanium shaft, it seems to work well for me. However I never see titanium as am option anywhere for shafts in clubs. Everything is graphite or steel shaft. Does anyone know why it is not available or used. Is my driver one of a kind????
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It’s a funny thing, I just built a driver with a Golfsmith 260cc head and a True Temper titanium shaft. Expensive parts, came to around $160, but now I have a "titaniumwood" to play with. Still think I like my GBB better though. -joseph – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Jim, I know that about a year ago, you could order Pings with titanium shafts. I don’t whether you still can or not. I have seen a Ping 5 iron with a titanium shaft in one of their fitting carts. A friend of mine tried it out and really liked it but when he found out the price, he went for graphite instead. As I recall, they were talking something like $200 or $300 per club with a 2 or 3 month delivery time. As you can see, you’re not going to find a lot of these sitting on the shelf in your local store due to the high cost.
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Titanium shafts are available as options on Taylor Made, Calloway, and (I believe) Ping. There may be more manufacturers offering ti shafts as options, but I am not aware of them. The titanium shafts for these three brands are manufactured by Sandvik (actually Titanium Sports Technology – the sports division that Sandvik sold off several years ago to a private investor group. Sandvik still produces 100% of the titanium used by TST). Aftermarket Sandvik titanium shafts are marketed/distributed by True Temper. Price is probably the #1 reason why we don’t see more titanium shafts on the links – they’re expensive and only made in any quantity by one manufacturer (Sandvik). This is unfortunate, as robotic testing by the major OEMs and by test groups of golfers of varying degrees of ability have proven titanium shafts to be the most consistent in length and dispersion. Titanium shafts have consistently tested longer than steel and straighter than both steel and graphite composite shafts. Titanium has many properties that make for an excellent golf shaft: high strength, light weight, infinite fatigue resistance, low modules, positive dampening characteristics, torsion resistance, and excellent corrosion, moisture, and temperature-resistant properties. The weight of a titanium shaft is nearly equal to that of a high quality composite (graphite) shaft and considerably less than steel shafts. Like steel, titanium shafts will stand up to years of use and abuse and can be reshafted over and over without any damage to the shaft. Composite shafts contain epoxies and resins which tend to break down over time. Composite shafts are also temperature sensitive – the shaft performs differently at different temperatures – and easily damaged. We’ve all seen the numerous posts to this NG discussing how to prevent fraying and other types of damage to composite shafts. Another obstacle confronting the widespread acceptance of titanium shafts concerns the lack of knowledge and experience with titanium shafts by those who sell golf equipment. The frequency (cpm) of a titanium shaft, with a similar flex stiffness during playing conditions in relation to a steel or graphite shaft, will be different than the other shafts’ frequency. The cpm of a titanium shaft is generally 7-10% less than a steel shaft with a similar flex and as much as 20% less than composite shafts of similar flex, depending on material used and its manufacturing processes. For example, someone who plays a frequency of 265 cpm in a 43" steel-shafted driver with a swingweight of D-1 would find a match in a titanium-shafted driver with a frequency of approximately 244 cpm at 43" and with a swing weight of D-4. Titanium shafts also react differently under playing conditions than what they would indicate with a static test on a flex board. It is imperative that customers, clubmakers, and retailers understand this and do not try to match titanium shaft flexes to other shaft materials and design. As a general rule, if a titanium shaft reads as a regular flex during a static test, it will play much closer to a stiff flex in actual playing conditions. This is mainly due to titanium’s low modules of elasticity – a measure of internal stiffness – which is approximately half that of steel. Not only does the low modules of elasticity affect the static static testing, it also provides superior shock dampening qualities to greatly reduce the amount of vibration carried into the player’s joints and tendons (not that any of us ever mishit a shot….). Some information and advantages of titanium golf shafts: * With over 30 Tour victories, titanium shafts are proven winners on the PGA Tours. * Titanium shafts were first marketed in substantial numbers in the mid 1970’s. However, manufacturing methods were not sophisticated enough to ensure acceptable percentages of shafts meeting quality control standards, and the manufacturer soon ceased production. the nest major entrance for titanium shafts in the marketplace occurred in 1985. However, these second generation shafts were too stiff for the average player (Remember the static testing information provided above? Apparently, the manufacturers had not learned this inherent characteristic of titanium). For this reason, many people still have the misperception that titanium shafts are only for strong players. However, during the past few years, manufacturing and design methods have leapt forward. Titanium shafts are being designed and manufactured to accomodate golfers of all skill levels – with fast or slow swing speeds, golfers needing low or high ball trajectory, and a flex for every player including women and seniors. * Titanium’s low modules of elasticity absorbs the shock that is transmitted up the shaft at impact. This is an excellent attribute for all golfers, and especially so for players who suffer from arthritis and/or tendonitis. This characteristic also provides for consistent feel and performance in either hot or cold weather conditions. * The patented manufacturing process reproduces consistent shafts in frequency and flex, providing consistent shaft performance and feel throughout a set of titanium-shafted clubs. * Titanium has proven through extensive testing its tight shot dispersion, providing consistently closer shots to the target. * Titanium combines the strength, durability, and accuracy of steel with the distance of composite shafts. * 80% of a club’s performance is in the shaft, making it very important to ensure proper fitting. * Titanium is a metal, like steel, but provides greater torsion resistance that steel. This means that the shaft brings the club head back to square more quickly, providing more accurate shots. * It takes an average of 225 days to produce a titanium shaft. * Titanium shafts are manufactured with an alloy consisting of approximately 95% titanium, 3% aluminum, and 2.5% vanadium. I hope this information is a benefit to anyone considering titanium shafts. Stuart Winsor Ground Zero Enterprises
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a Taylor Made Tour Driver with a titanium shaft, it seems to work well for me. However I never see titanium as am option anywhere for shafts in clubs. Everything is graphite or steel shaft. Does anyone know why it is not available or used. Is my driver one of a kind????
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i have seen one of those taylor made ti shafted drivers, but do not own one myself. conceptually, i like ti for a club shaft because ti has great properties (this is a popular metal in the cycling community for frame construction): a properly chosen alloy wont go "soft", is very difficult to bend/dent, it will never rust, and the flex properties can be tailored just like steel. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a Taylor Made Tour Driver with a titanium shaft, it seems to work well for me. However I never see titanium as am option anywhere for shafts in clubs. Everything is graphite or steel shaft. Does anyone know why it is not available or used. Is my driver one of a kind????
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I have a Taylor Made Tour Driver with a titanium shaft, it seems to work well for me. However I never see titanium as am option anywhere for shafts in clubs. Everything is graphite or steel shaft. Does anyone know why it is not available or used. Is my driver one of a kind????
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Jim, I know that about a year ago, you could order Pings with titanium shafts. I don’t whether you still can or not. I have seen a Ping 5 iron with a titanium shaft in one of their fitting carts. A friend of mine tried it out and really liked it but when he found out the price, he went for graphite instead. As I recall, they were talking something like $200 or $300 per club with a 2 or 3 month delivery time. As you can see, you’re not going to find a lot of these sitting on the shelf in your local store due to the high cost. Kenny – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I have a Taylor Made Tour Driver with a titanium shaft, it seems to work well for me. However I never see titanium as am option anywhere for shafts in clubs. Everything is graphite or steel shaft. Does anyone know why it is not available or used. Is my driver one of a kind????