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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I took a look at the down the line sequence. I was looking for swing plane problems. There are some issues, you are a bit steep especially on the downswing. But honestly I think that is because you have all that weight stuck on the left side from the bad pivot. From there, you absolutly must throw the club with your hands to try and save the shot. That gets you steep. Honestly I think the steep downswing is a result of the poor pivot, and therefor it may get corrected automatically if you turn over your rt side properly. I’d have no idea unless I saw it with the other corrections. Note of caution–sometimes when a fix works we overdo it. Don’t exagerate something that works. IOW-don’t get so far to your rt side that you go beyond and outside the braced rt knee. You’ll need to get the left shoulder over the rt knee, but don’t overdo it by swaying too far. And since you are going to turn and pivot better, keep that rt knee braced. You should feel that in doing the changes that you are making 3/4 swings with the club going to your rt, and not wrapping back behind your head. Your 3/4 swing will actually be a full swing. Then keep the head back there on the downswing. Did you see the photo of Mark O’Meara? Let me know how it works out.
Here is my report, Brad. I played a Robert Trent Jones course today called Heron Lakes/Great Blue. It’s a links course, 6504 yds/128 slope. I managed to shoot one above my stableford index, roughly an 85. Ball striking and putting were good. My problem was course management. There is trouble everywhere on this course, and I didn’t use good judgement on some of the holes. But….I hit the majority of fairways and half the greens. Your setup and turn advice were key. It’s a wonderful feeling, in the midst of a swing, knowing that your head is behind the ball, you’re not overswinging, and the ball is going to fly. That was my experience today….was fun to trust my swing. Thanks Brad!!! -Greg
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Brad’s post was a letter he e-mailed to me. I think he accidently posted it on RSG. Our discussion has to do with my reverse pivot, which is obvious in the 2nd sequence of pictures. http://www.ipns.com/dene-golf/ In reference to these pictures, Brad said the following…… snip IMPACT picture—look at your head by using the backround of the edge of the wall. Your head has moved at least 8 inches targetward by impact. Not only is this bad–but it should have actually moved the opposite way! On the takeaway, the head moves back a few inches as we pivot. On the downswing it Stays Back, until after imact and then goes to about it’s original position. By the finish it may be a few inches ahead of where it bagan as we relax. But Greg, this is a bad position. Your head has moved the wrong way–it’s probably 10 inches out of whack. snip The SLAP screen saver model illustrates Brad’s point quite well, i.e. the head moves back a few inches in the backswing but returns to the address position at impact and moves ahead of this position only after impact. In fact, the SLAP book and/or CD sounds like a good winter-time investment if you have not read it already 
I have seen that book, and wouldn’t personally recommend it for anyone who couldn’t already strike the ball reasonably well, and consistently so. I feel it better suited to those who would like one method of raising their already decent game – perhaps to, surprisingly, swing like a pro. Just my opinion. Leadbetters book would be more suitable, though I have the odd reservation, and look at the free material here www.ugt.co.uk – I like simple, not complex, esp for relative beginners or mid-high handicappers. I beg to differ, Oz. I consider myself fortunate to have been directed towards that source of information before the start of my second season (thanks to discussions in this forum). It provided me (and my wife) with a solid foundation setup-wise at an early stage, hence simplifying the task of converging towards proper dynamics (or, if you prefer, avoiding improper ones), one step at a time.
We’re all different, thank goodness. Do you have any reservations at all about it as a teaching aid for relative beginners? (eg positional & other information overload, forward ball position, transition highlighted, transition slide, right arm throwing action etc) I feel that books like that should come with a golf health warning. Do you ever wonder why most golfers think of the golf swing as an incredibly complicted movement, and the vast majority never ever get anywhere near to mastering it? Yes, I suppose if we examine it closely it actually is complicated – and so is walking, running, throwing a discus etc etc.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Brad’s post was a letter he e-mailed to me. I think he accidently posted it on RSG. Our discussion has to do with my reverse pivot, which is obvious in the 2nd sequence of pictures. http://www.ipns.com/dene-golf/ In reference to these pictures, Brad said the following…… snip IMPACT picture—look at your head by using the backround of the edge of the wall. Your head has moved at least 8 inches targetward by impact. Not only is this bad–but it should have actually moved the opposite way! On the takeaway, the head moves back a few inches as we pivot. On the downswing it Stays Back, until after imact and then goes to about it’s original position. By the finish it may be a few inches ahead of where it bagan as we relax. But Greg, this is a bad position. Your head has moved the wrong way–it’s probably 10 inches out of whack. snip The SLAP screen saver model illustrates Brad’s point quite well, i.e. the head moves back a few inches in the backswing but returns to the address position at impact and moves ahead of this position only after impact. In fact, the SLAP book and/or CD sounds like a good winter-time investment if you have not read it already
I have seen that book, and wouldn’t personally recommend it for anyone who couldn’t already strike the ball reasonably well, and consistently so. I feel it better suited to those who would like one method of raising their already decent game – perhaps to, surprisingly, swing like a pro. Just my opinion. Leadbetters book would be more suitable, though I have the odd reservation, and look at the free material here www.ugt.co.uk – I like simple, not complex, esp for relative beginners or mid-high handicappers.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Brad’s post was a letter he e-mailed to me. I think he accidently posted it on RSG. Our discussion has to do with my reverse pivot, which is obvious in the 2nd sequence of pictures. http://www.ipns.com/dene-golf/ In reference to these pictures, Brad said the following…… snip IMPACT picture—look at your head by using the backround of the edge of the wall. Your head has moved at least 8 inches targetward by impact. Not only is this bad–but it should have actually moved the opposite way! On the takeaway, the head moves back a few inches as we pivot. On the downswing it Stays Back, until after imact and then goes to about it’s original position. By the finish it may be a few inches ahead of where it bagan as we relax. But Greg, this is a bad position. Your head has moved the wrong way–it’s probably 10 inches out of whack. snip The SLAP screen saver model illustrates Brad’s point quite well, i.e. the head moves back a few inches in the backswing but returns to the address position at impact and moves ahead of this position only after impact. In fact, the SLAP book and/or CD sounds like a good winter-time investment if you have not read it already I have seen that book, and wouldn’t personally recommend it for anyone who couldn’t already strike the ball reasonably well, and consistently so. I feel it better suited to those who would like one method of raising their already decent game – perhaps to, surprisingly, swing like a pro. Just my opinion. Leadbetters book would be more suitable, though I have the odd reservation, and look at the free material here www.ugt.co.uk – I like simple, not complex, esp for relative beginners or mid-high handicappers.
I beg to differ, Oz. I consider myself fortunate to have been directed towards that source of information before the start of my second season (thanks to discussions in this forum). It provided me (and my wife) with a solid foundation setup-wise at an early stage, hence simplifying the task of converging towards proper dynamics (or, if you prefer, avoiding improper ones), one step at a time. Cheers, Mike
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Brad’s post was a letter he e-mailed to me. I think he accidently posted it on RSG. Our discussion has to do with my reverse pivot, which is obvious in the 2nd sequence of pictures. http://www.ipns.com/dene-golf/ In reference to these pictures, Brad said the following…… snip IMPACT picture—look at your head by using the backround of the edge of the wall. Your head has moved at least 8 inches targetward by impact. Not only is this bad–but it should have actually moved the opposite way! On the takeaway, the head moves back a few inches as we pivot. On the downswing it Stays Back, until after imact and then goes to about it’s original position. By the finish it may be a few inches ahead of where it bagan as we relax. But Greg, this is a bad position. Your head has moved the wrong way–it’s probably 10 inches out of whack.
snip The SLAP screen saver model illustrates Brad’s point quite well, i.e. the head moves back a few inches in the backswing but returns to the address position at impact and moves ahead of this position only after impact. In fact, the SLAP book and/or CD sounds like a good winter-time investment if you have not read it already Cheers, Mike
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Brad’s post was a letter he e-mailed to me. I think he accidently posted it on RSG. Our discussion has to do with my reverse pivot, which is obvious in the 2nd sequence of pictures. http://www.ipns.com/dene-golf/ In reference to these pictures, Brad said the following…… "SETUP picture–your spine is not tilted to your right, It should tilt away from the target. The shaft is leaning away from the target and should be leaning towards the target. The shaft is leaning the wrong way! Your head is not far enough behind the ball. Tiger says–" I don’t get behind the ball at the top, I Set-Up Behind The ball at Address"! Remember–hands ahead of the ball shaft leaning towards ball, head behind the ball. Get your handle over your left thigh. IMPACT picture—look at your head by using the backround of the edge of the wall. Your head has moved at least 8 inches targetward by impact. Not only is this bad–but it should have actually moved the opposite way! On the takeaway, the head moves back a few inches as we pivot. On the downswing it Stays Back, until after imact and then goes to about it’s original position. By the finish it may be a few inches ahead of where it bagan as we relax. But Greg, this is a bad position. Your head has moved the wrong way–it’s probably 10 inches out of whack. THE TOP– You tilted, you didn’t turn. Your head is 6 inches targetward of where it started, and your spine instead of leaning away from the target–is leaning toward the target. Now heres a problem. You cannot get to your left side on the downswing–because you already ARE on your leftt side! You made a reverse-pivot, and cannot make a weight shift because your weight is already at the place in needs to shift to! You are a smart athletic guy, so when you got to the top, you knew you were not yet behind the ball and not yet coiled because you tilted and didn’t turn. So in an effort to get coiled, you took it back some more. This is what I call the fake turn. You didn’t turn, you tilted, so now you try and load it up. It only got worse. Incredibly–your rt forearm is targetward of your head–and your head is targetward of where it should be! ( don’t think I’ve ever seen a rt foream on that side of the head before!). Now compare this head position with the head in the impact shot. It’s in the same place. You got ahead of the ball–( never ever behind it) and stayed there until impact. Proof that you make a reverse pivot and never got Behind the ball. Fix– 1) Set up behind the ball from the get-go. Hands ahead of the ball, shaft leaning forward, and head well behind the ball. The spine needs to lean away from the ball. 2) Turn the tilted spine. Turn the shoulders flat, until your left shoulder is over your rt knee. Make sure your arms feel that they are to your right, and not behind your head. This should ‘feel’ like a 3/4 swing, but it really isn’t. 3) On the downswing, keep your head back–never let your head be over or in front of the ball. 4) Hit a thousand balls a day, in slow motion, with the correct set-up, and get the shoulders turning flat–left shoulder over rt knee. Greg–your power leaks are costing you 1 1/2 clubs in distance. Whatever your distances are right now, add 15 yards and thats what they will be. And at least 30 yards with a driver. Brad" Fellas….this is really great advice. I went to the range yesterday after reading this, focusing only on the setup he described and turning my left shoulder until it’s over my right knee. It was a very different feel from my ingrained tilt. Results were remarkable. I struck the ball so well…hitting 95 out of 100 balls farther and straighter. I finished my session with a 3 iron…a club I can only use for tree work. Every shot was pure. That’s the range….today is a round on a difficult golf course, but I still believe Brad prescribed the best cure I’ve received for my reverse pivot. -Greg
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I took a look at the down the line sequence. I was looking for swing plane problems. There are some issues, you are a bit steep especially on the downswing. But honestly I think that is because you have all that weight stuck on the left side from the bad pivot. From there, you absolutly must throw the club with your hands to try and save the shot. That gets you steep. Honestly I think the steep downswing is a result of the poor pivot, and therefor it may get corrected automatically if you turn over your rt side properly. I’d have no idea unless I saw it with the other corrections. Note of caution–sometimes when a fix works we overdo it. Don’t exagerate something that works. IOW-don’t get so far to your rt side that you go beyond and outside the braced rt knee. You’ll need to get the left shoulder over the rt knee, but don’t overdo it by swaying too far. And since you are going to turn and pivot better, keep that rt knee braced. You should feel that in doing the changes that you are making 3/4 swings with the club going to your rt, and not wrapping back behind your head. Your 3/4 swing will actually be a full swing. Then keep the head back there on the downswing. Did you see the photo of Mark O’Meara? Let me know how it works out.
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I took a look at the down the line sequence. I was looking for swing plane problems. There are some issues, you are a bit steep especially on the downswing. But honestly I think that is because you have all that weight stuck on the left side from the bad pivot. From there, you absolutly must throw the club with your hands to try and save the shot. That gets you steep. Honestly I think the steep downswing is a result of the poor pivot, and therefor it may get corrected automatically if you turn over your rt side properly. I’d have no idea unless I saw it with the other corrections. Note of caution–sometimes when a fix works we overdo it. Don’t exagerate something that works. IOW-don’t get so far to your rt side that you go beyond and outside the braced rt knee. You’ll need to get the left shoulder over the rt knee, but don’t overdo it by swaying too far. And since you are going to turn and pivot better, keep that rt knee braced. You should feel that in doing the changes that you are making 3/4 swings with the club going to your rt, and not wrapping back behind your head. Your 3/4 swing will actually be a full swing. Then keep the head back there on the downswing. Did you see the photo of Mark O’Meara? Let me know how it works out.