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I was looking for information about shafts so I posted to the group. If I had been looking for smart assed remarks I would have just asked my wife. CJ
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – you seem to know all the information needed to make this decision. why ask the group? sounds like you’re a pro already, and maybe you could teach us how to make a shaft decision for ourselves. jk <~~~~(has never had his swing speed checked…but when last checked his hdcp index was 5.7)
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you seem to know all the information needed to make this decision. why ask the group? sounds like you’re a pro already, and maybe you could teach us how to make a shaft decision for ourselves. jk <~~~~(has never had his swing speed checked…but when last checked his hdcp index was 5.7)
He’s just looking for confirmation of his reasoning. Anything wrong with that? Mike – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am planning to reshaft my irons and need some suggestions. A little information on which to base your suggestions: I am a longer than average hitter – 9iron ~ 155 yards The last time I had swing speed checked the driver was 110-116 MPH. I have a very high trajectory. (Too much air time, not good on windy days) I hit a draw on most shots. Planned or not. I am more swinger than hitter. I have a late release and strike the ball with a decending clubhead. I play the ball forward, off the left eye to left ear. I currently play with Harvey Penick Pro Tour irons with TTLite regular flex shafts. My clubs are standard lie which is 3 degrees too flat for me. So says the pro and the divot. I can’t get anyone to bend them more than 2 degrees for fear of cracking the hossel. I have extended the shafts 1/2" to compensate for this but it’s not enough. I want to stick with steel shafts. I don’t like graphite in my irons. I am leaning towards a stiff or possibly an extra stiff (depending on shaft spec) with a higher bend point. I am also in the process of building my own lie adjustment fixture. I don’t intend to adjust the lie until after I have a chance to evaluate the clubs with the stiffer shafts. Several of the shafts in my irons are slightly bent at the hossel so the pro’s suggestion of 3 degrees upright may be skewed due to the bent shafts causing the mark to be closer to the toe. If the target line is the X axis and the line perpendicular to my stance is the Y axis then the shafts are bent in a direction that causes a Y-Z rotation of the club head effectivly making the lie flatter. It seems that repeated ball striking, while imparting upward force to the ball is also imparting downward force to the clubhead and could cause a Y-Z bending of the shaft over a period of time. So, I think I need a stiffer shaft to accomodate my swingspeed, a higher bend point for lower trajectory and a pretty stout shaft tip. Any Suggestions? CJ Elmore
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am planning to reshaft my irons and need some suggestions. A little information on which to base your suggestions: I am a longer than average hitter – 9iron ~ 155 yards The last time I had swing speed checked the driver was 110-116 MPH. I have a very high trajectory. (Too much air time, not good on windy days) I hit a draw on most shots. Planned or not. I am more swinger than hitter. I have a late release and strike the ball with a decending clubhead. I play the ball forward, off the left eye to left ear. I currently play with Harvey Penick Pro Tour irons with TTLite regular flex shafts. My clubs are standard lie which is 3 degrees too flat for me. So says the pro and the divot. I can’t get anyone to bend them more than 2 degrees for fear of cracking the hossel. I have extended the shafts 1/2" to compensate for this but it’s not enough. I want to stick with steel shafts. I don’t like graphite in my irons. I am leaning towards a stiff or possibly an extra stiff (depending on shaft spec) with a higher bend point. I am also in the process of building my own lie adjustment fixture. I don’t intend to adjust the lie until after I have a chance to evaluate the clubs with the stiffer shafts. Several of the shafts in my irons are slightly bent at the hossel so the pro’s suggestion of 3 degrees upright may be skewed due to the bent shafts causing the mark to be closer to the toe. If the target line is the X axis and the line perpendicular to my stance is the Y axis then the shafts are bent in a direction that causes a Y-Z rotation of the club head effectivly making the lie flatter. It seems that repeated ball striking, while imparting upward force to the ball is also imparting downward force to the clubhead and could cause a Y-Z bending of the shaft over a period of time. So, I think I need a stiffer shaft to accomodate my swingspeed, a higher bend point for lower trajectory and a pretty stout shaft tip. Any Suggestions? CJ Elmore
CJ, I think that the shaft specs you’re considering will accomplish what you want, i.e., lower your trajectory. However, in doing that, realize that you’ll also probably give up some of that draw. You have two options if you want a custom lie angle. First is to try Dynacraft’s PC3 irons which have both 3* up and 3* down models. Second is to go to forged clubs, which can be bent quite a bit. Raven has a forged iron that is remarkably cheap, about $16 per head. It’s a smaller head than standard by a bit, but I really like the looks of it. I went back and forth between this head and the KZG Forged cavity II, and finally decided on the KZG. But I really like how this one looks. The only point to the Raven recommendation is that they are closer in cost to good cast heads than they are to good forged heads, and you can adjust the lie angle in a forged iron to exactly what you need, rather than hoping that the 3* adjustment to something like the PC3s works for you. As far as your shafts go, do you hit a lot of balls off mats? Bending the shafts is a remarkable occurrence from mere ballstriking. And the bending from ballstriking, if anything, should bend the toe of the club *up* not down, making it more upright. The best thing to do is try a couple of shaft options and see what they do for you. As far as lie angles, the only good alternatives are something like the PC3s or forged irons (unless someone else has a good recommendation for non-standard lie angles). Mike Mike Dalecki RSG-Wisconsin 2002 Info http://dalecki.net/rsgwis2002 I do not patronize spammers. Help keep RSG clean! Web Site: http://www.dalecki.net/clubdoctor/ RSG Roll Call: http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=daleckim
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Thanks for the suggestions. It looks like it will be between the Rifle 6.5-7.0 and the TT Dynamic Gold X100. I guess I need to find some place to demo clubs with these shafts so that I can "feel" them and see the trajectory. Golfsmith will have clubs to demo but there’s not much chance of seeing trajectory in a net. However I do recall someone telling mw that Golfsmith will "loan" you a club to take across the street to the practice range. I think I can just leave my driver’s license as collateral until I return the club. Thanks again, CJ ps. Dan, I dodn’t get your messages through my news server. I copied and pasted your comments from a Google search because I saw it yesterday while at work. I’ve gone through my message rules and can’t figure out why your messages don’t come through. ISP is EV1. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Both the Rifle 6.5’s & the TT Dynamic Gold X100’s sound like they’d do – you may even be best suited for Rifle 7.0’s. Certainly the R TT lites are a misfit – both per flex and bendpoint. CJ, You are a little longer than me (9i 145-150), but that may be due to the differences in shafts and loft. My 5 iron swing speed averages 92 mph and my driver swing speed averages 111 mph. I play Rifle Light 6.0 shafts in Golfsmith Tour Cavity irons. According to the Rifle fitting charts, I should be playing 6.5 or even 7.0, but I built a demo with the 6.5 and it felt too stiff. I use to be a hitter, but with lessons and practice have become much more of a swinger. For me the trajectory of the Rifle shafts is lower than the comparable flex Dynamic Gold shaft. — Dan Driscoll Member USGA, NCGA RSG FAQ: http://ttsoft.com/thor/rsggolf.html RSG Roll Call http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=driscolld
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you seem to know all the information needed to make this decision. why ask the group? sounds like you’re a pro already, and maybe you could teach us how to make a shaft decision for ourselves. jk <~~~~(has never had his swing speed checked…but when last checked his hdcp index was 5.7) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am planning to reshaft my irons and need some suggestions. A little information on which to base your suggestions: I am a longer than average hitter – 9iron ~ 155 yards The last time I had swing speed checked the driver was 110-116 MPH. I have a very high trajectory. (Too much air time, not good on windy days) I hit a draw on most shots. Planned or not. I am more swinger than hitter. I have a late release and strike the ball with a decending clubhead. I play the ball forward, off the left eye to left ear. I currently play with Harvey Penick Pro Tour irons with TTLite regular flex shafts. My clubs are standard lie which is 3 degrees too flat for me. So says the pro and the divot. I can’t get anyone to bend them more than 2 degrees for fear of cracking the hossel. I have extended the shafts 1/2" to compensate for this but it’s not enough. I want to stick with steel shafts. I don’t like graphite in my irons. I am leaning towards a stiff or possibly an extra stiff (depending on shaft spec) with a higher bend point. I am also in the process of building my own lie adjustment fixture. I don’t intend to adjust the lie until after I have a chance to evaluate the clubs with the stiffer shafts. Several of the shafts in my irons are slightly bent at the hossel so the pro’s suggestion of 3 degrees upright may be skewed due to the bent shafts causing the mark to be closer to the toe. If the target line is the X axis and the line perpendicular to my stance is the Y axis then the shafts are bent in a direction that causes a Y-Z rotation of the club head effectivly making the lie flatter. It seems that repeated ball striking, while imparting upward force to the ball is also imparting downward force to the clubhead and could cause a Y-Z bending of the shaft over a period of time. So, I think I need a stiffer shaft to accomodate my swingspeed, a higher bend point for lower trajectory and a pretty stout shaft tip. Any Suggestions? CJ Elmore
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(snip) I am a hitter of the ball. (snip) Hi. I’ve seen you say this in about three posts. What do you mean, exactly? Zane
Zane, IMO, swingers have long and even tempos through out the swing, including transition from top down and let the ball get in the way of the club face as it passes through, with a nice follow though and finish with club behind their head. I on the other hand, have a very fast take away, slow at the top and accelerate at 7oclock, hit the ball hard with intention, and some 3/4 follow through. Due to muscle mass in my upper body, I can NOT wrap the club around me for a nice even finish. Although I am able to hit the ball a good distance, I’ll never be able to wack my tee shot 290-300. G
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I am planning to reshaft my irons and need some suggestions. A little information on which to base your suggestions: I am a longer than average hitter – 9iron ~ 155 yards The last time I had swing speed checked the driver was 110-116 MPH. I have a very high trajectory. (Too much air time, not good on windy days) I hit a draw on most shots. Planned or not. I am more swinger than hitter. I have a late release and strike the ball with a decending clubhead. I play the ball forward, off the left eye to left ear. I currently play with Harvey Penick Pro Tour irons with TTLite regular flex shafts.
<snipped CJ, You are a little longer than me (9i 145-150), but that may be due to the differences in shafts and loft. My 5 iron swing speed averages 92 mph and my driver swing speed averages 111 mph. I play Rifle Light 6.0 shafts in Golfsmith Tour Cavity irons. According to the Rifle fitting charts, I should be playing 6.5 or even 7.0, but I built a demo with the 6.5 and it felt too stiff. I use to be a hitter, but with lessons and practice have become much more of a swinger. For me the trajectory of the Rifle shafts is lower than the comparable flex Dynamic Gold shaft. — Dan Driscoll Member USGA, NCGA RSG FAQ: http://ttsoft.com/thor/rsggolf.html RSG Roll Call http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=driscolld
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "CJ Elmore" <I.play.golf wrote in So, I think I need a stiffer shaft to accomodate my swingspeed, a higher bend point for lower trajectory and a pretty stout shaft tip. Any Suggestions? You haven’t said what shafts you’re playing now that gets you 155yd with a 9i and your height/weight and physical structure… G
Sorry, my eyes were looking at my wife this am and my mine was thinking about goof and how hard my shaft was…oops, excuse me, your shafts are …LOL… I can’t hit graphite irons shafts either. I play DG lite S-300’s in my irons in my 762 Titleists. I am thinking some of my irons feel to lite, which helps me to overswing. I am a hitter of the ball. Although I hit my 9i 130-135 carry, I am considering replacing some of my Lite S-300 shafts with regular S-300’s. With your swing speed, you could consider X-100’s. G
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "CJ Elmore" <I.play.golf wrote in So, I think I need a stiffer shaft to accomodate my swingspeed, a higher bend point for lower trajectory and a pretty stout shaft tip. Any Suggestions? You haven’t said what shafts you’re playing now that gets you 155yd with a 9i and your height/weight and physical structure… G He did tell us what shafts he was playing. "CJ Elmore" <I.play.golf wrote in <snipped I currently play with Harvey Penick Pro Tour irons with TTLite regular flex shafts. <snipped
Sorry, you’re right! brain fart 8=0 G
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(snip) I am a hitter of the ball.
(snip) Hi. I’ve seen you say this in about three posts. What do you mean, exactly? Zane
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My clubs are standard lie which is 3 degrees too flat for me. So says the pro and the divot. I can’t get anyone to bend them more than 2 degrees for fear of cracking the hossel. I have extended the shafts 1/2" to compensate for this but it’s not enough.
Sounds like 3* worth to me. Maybe you feel like you need more than 3*. Get forged clubs and then bend away.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "CJ Elmore" <I.play.golf wrote in So, I think I need a stiffer shaft to accomodate my swingspeed, a higher bend point for lower trajectory and a pretty stout shaft tip. Any Suggestions? You haven’t said what shafts you’re playing now that gets you 155yd with a 9i and your height/weight and physical structure… G
He did tell us what shafts he was playing. "CJ Elmore" <I.play.golf wrote in <snipped I currently play with Harvey Penick Pro Tour irons with TTLite regular flex shafts.
<snipped — Dan Driscoll Member USGA, NCGA RSG FAQ: http://ttsoft.com/thor/rsggolf.html RSG Roll Call http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=driscolld
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am planning to reshaft my irons and need some suggestions. A little information on which to base your suggestions: I am a longer than average hitter – 9iron ~ 155 yards The last time I had swing speed checked the driver was 110-116 MPH. I have a very high trajectory. (Too much air time, not good on windy days) I hit a draw on most shots. Planned or not. I am more swinger than hitter. I have a late release and strike the ball with a decending clubhead. I play the ball forward, off the left eye to left ear. I currently play with Harvey Penick Pro Tour irons with TTLite regular flex shafts. My clubs are standard lie which is 3 degrees too flat for me. So says the pro and the divot. I can’t get anyone to bend them more than 2 degrees for fear of cracking the hossel. I have extended the shafts 1/2" to compensate for this but it’s not enough. I want to stick with steel shafts. I don’t like graphite in my irons. I am leaning towards a stiff or possibly an extra stiff (depending on shaft spec) with a higher bend point. I am also in the process of building my own lie adjustment fixture. I don’t intend to adjust the lie until after I have a chance to evaluate the clubs with the stiffer shafts. Several of the shafts in my irons are slightly bent at the hossel so the pro’s suggestion of 3 degrees upright may be skewed due to the bent shafts causing the mark to be closer to the toe. If the target line is the X axis and the line perpendicular to my stance is the Y axis then the shafts are bent in a direction that causes a Y-Z rotation of the club head effectivly making the lie flatter. It seems that repeated ball striking, while imparting upward force to the ball is also imparting downward force to the clubhead and could cause a Y-Z bending of the shaft over a period of time. So, I think I need a stiffer shaft to accomodate my swingspeed, a higher bend point for lower trajectory and a pretty stout shaft tip. Any Suggestions? CJ Elmore
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Both the Rifle 6.5’s & the TT Dynamic Gold X100’s sound like they’d do – you may even be best suited for Rifle 7.0’s. Certainly the R TT lites are a misfit – both per flex and bendpoint. Remember that 1/2" longer effectively softens a shaft flex by about 1/3 of a flex grade – a crude rule of thumb. Get tested at a pro clubmaker for the best fit. Of course while you’re there get the lofts checked per factory specs and get your lies fixed. With 1/2" longer clubs, if you can get lies within 1 degree of ideal, that’ll be OK. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am planning to reshaft my irons and need some suggestions. A little information on which to base your suggestions: I am a longer than average hitter – 9iron ~ 155 yards The last time I had swing speed checked the driver was 110-116 MPH. I have a very high trajectory. (Too much air time, not good on windy days) I hit a draw on most shots. Planned or not. I am more swinger than hitter. I have a late release and strike the ball with a decending clubhead. I play the ball forward, off the left eye to left ear. I currently play with Harvey Penick Pro Tour irons with TTLite regular flex shafts. My clubs are standard lie which is 3 degrees too flat for me. So says the pro and the divot. I can’t get anyone to bend them more than 2 degrees for fear of cracking the hossel. I have extended the shafts 1/2" to compensate for this but it’s not enough. I want to stick with steel shafts. I don’t like graphite in my irons.
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"CJ Elmore" <I.play.golf wrote in So, I think I need a stiffer shaft to accomodate my swingspeed, a higher bend point for lower trajectory and a pretty stout shaft tip. Any Suggestions?
You haven’t said what shafts you’re playing now that gets you 155yd with a 9i and your height/weight and physical structure… G
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I am planning to reshaft my irons and need some suggestions. A little information on which to base your suggestions: I am a longer than average hitter – 9iron ~ 155 yards The last time I had swing speed checked the driver was 110-116 MPH. I have a very high trajectory. (Too much air time, not good on windy days) I hit a draw on most shots. Planned or not. I am more swinger than hitter. I have a late release and strike the ball with a decending clubhead. I play the ball forward, off the left eye to left ear. I currently play with Harvey Penick Pro Tour irons with TTLite regular flex shafts. My clubs are standard lie which is 3 degrees too flat for me. So says the pro and the divot. I can’t get anyone to bend them more than 2 degrees for fear of cracking the hossel. I have extended the shafts 1/2" to compensate for this but it’s not enough. I want to stick with steel shafts. I don’t like graphite in my irons. I am leaning towards a stiff or possibly an extra stiff (depending on shaft spec) with a higher bend point. I am also in the process of building my own lie adjustment fixture. I don’t intend to adjust the lie until after I have a chance to evaluate the clubs with the stiffer shafts. Several of the shafts in my irons are slightly bent at the hossel so the pro’s suggestion of 3 degrees upright may be skewed due to the bent shafts causing the mark to be closer to the toe. If the target line is the X axis and the line perpendicular to my stance is the Y axis then the shafts are bent in a direction that causes a Y-Z rotation of the club head effectivly making the lie flatter. It seems that repeated ball striking, while imparting upward force to the ball is also imparting downward force to the clubhead and could cause a Y-Z bending of the shaft over a period of time. So, I think I need a stiffer shaft to accomodate my swingspeed, a higher bend point for lower trajectory and a pretty stout shaft tip. Any Suggestions? CJ Elmore