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The original report did not show up on computer.
I don’t know why my original post is not in your listing. I’m sure you could find it if you searched for it on Google. Steven
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As some of you may remember, last month I posted messages on this board soliciting advice on which golf school I should attend. I got quite a number of responses, and did much Internet research. I received at least 20 brochures in the mail. Several of the RSG posters asked me to come back here and tell them how it all worked out. Yesterday I returned from one week in Scottsdale Arizona. In a word, it was GREAT. What follows is a blow-by-blow, or more appropriately, a swing-by-swing account of my trip.
<snip Thanks for the follow-up regarding your experience. I always like to hear that sort of stuff. A good, caring golf teacher is a special breed. Scott
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Can I assume the above cost included lodging? You provided your own transporttion.
No, you cannot assume it included lodging. As a matter of fact, I went on the commuter plan, staying with a friend who lived in N. Scottsdale. As a single accomodation, it would have cost me at least another 6 or 7 hundred dollars. ( I do not remember the exact amount) Transportation was additional.
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The original report did not show up on computer. Do I have a setting wrong. This has happened quite a few times when I get responses to posts that I didn’t get. This is not about a killfile. Unless someone has killfiled me as a recipient. ( : o)
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Thanks for the report.
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The four days came to $1145, including golf each day after school. — — — — — — — — — — Can I assume the above cost included lodging? You provided your own transporttion. Excellent review. Larry Make more long putts It drives your opponents crazy
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He stayed at an old friend’s house. No lodging was in that figure. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The four days came to $1145, including golf each day after school. — — — — — — — — — — Can I assume the above cost included lodging? You provided your own transporttion. Excellent review. Larry Make more long putts It drives your opponents crazy
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Thanks for the great trip report! I need some Arizona Golf right now. Gregg ps It is Arizona in Texas, 65 and 20-30 mph winds.
Don’t gripe. I’ve got snow on the ground. Kenny — Kenny Stultz RSG Rollcall: http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/stultzk.htm I took the RSG anti-troll pledge UIP info: http://home.globalfrontiers.com/rorider/
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As some of you may remember, last month I posted messages on this board soliciting advice on which golf school I should attend. I got quite a number of responses, and did much Internet research. I received at least 20 brochures in the mail. Several of the RSG posters asked me to come back here and tell them how it all worked out. Yesterday I returned from one week in Scottsdale Arizona. In a word, it was GREAT. What follows is a blow-by-blow, or more appropriately, a swing-by-swing account of my trip.
Thanks for the great trip report! I need some Arizona Golf right now. Gregg ps It is Arizona in Texas, 65 and 20-30 mph winds.
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Nice to meet you Gov. I’m real glad the AZ experience payed off and you enjoyed the trip. Troon North is special isn’t it? Hope to meet up with you again. Brad PS–I didn’t tell you everything!–hehehe (Most of post snipped) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As some of you may remember, last month I posted messages on this board soliciting advice on which golf school I should attend. I got quite a number of responses, and did much Internet research. I received at least 20 brochures in the mail. Several of the RSG posters asked me to come back here and tell them how it all worked out. Yesterday I returned from one week in Scottsdale Arizona. In a word, it was GREAT. What follows is a blow-by-blow, or more appropriately, a swing-by-swing account of my trip. Thursday evening I met Brad, better known around these parts as GLFNAZ, for a few beers. He’s a really nice guy. We chatted about golf, RSG ( he told me all the stuff behind the posts) and other stuff. I’m so glad he helped talk me into going to AZ. FRIDAY
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Great report, GL. And glad you enjoyed and profited from it. Except for nearly killing you it sounds great and is the kind of endorsement a school must have to be suitable. Brad advised you well. George
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As some of you may remember, last month I posted messages on this board soliciting advice on which golf school I should attend. I got quite a number of responses, and did much Internet research. I received at least 20 brochures in the mail. Several of the RSG posters asked me to come back here and tell them how it all worked out. Yesterday I returned from one week in Scottsdale Arizona. In a word, it was GREAT. What follows is a blow-by-blow, or more appropriately, a swing-by-swing account of my trip. I agonized over my decision for quite awhile. Should I spend more with one teacher as opposed to another? Which school used the best course? How many days, etc. etc. etc. My choice was a four day course at the Golf Schools of Scottsdale; a Golf Magazine top 25 school, head pro Andy Prosowski. The four days came to $1145, including golf each day after school. The school was located at the Orange Tree resort in Scottsdale; a nice, not desert, golf course. Approximately 6200 yards with water on 6 holes and sand all over the place. I was assured by the school’s manager, Ned Mullin, that I could, and was encouraged to, take a day off in the middle of the school. I was also assured that enrollment would be low and I would get much personal attention from Andy. MONDAY Andy met me at 8:45 am and sat me down in the restaurant to chat with me over a cup of coffee. He asked me all about my golf game, experience. He asked me what I wanted to accomplish and whether or not I had any physical problems. The most interesting question was how I considered my personality; i.e. laid-back, go-getter, or in-between. At 9:00am we went to the practice range and I met the one other student for the day (That’s right, one other student) a lady that was on her 3rd of 4 days with Andy. We started out with stretching and limbering up exercises. He next went through the grip, stance, address, etc., in fine detail. He was to repeat this routine each morning. He frequently went up to each of us and checked us individually. We then went through swing drills with a 7 iron. While I was doing the drill he video taped me on a portable video/computer system. He taped me for two swings from straight on and behind. We then went over the tape in slow and stop motion. Andy used a telestrator type pad to superimpose lines, angles etc. We quickly identified my faults, and we went right to work on fixing them. After drilling the full swing for awhile, we went over to the the putting green for some chipping lessons. After chipping we went to lunch along with the Ned. After lunch we went back to the range for more full swing work. At approximately 2:00, Andy sent me off with a threesome of guests to play a full round. And took the lady out for a practice round. I just managed to complete the 18 by darkness. FIRST DAY – I really liked Andy. He had a very easy going manner and obviously knew his stuff. We went right to work on correcting faults I had tried to correct in the past. I knew this was going to be really worthwhile. TUESDAY When I showed up at 9:00, I found 3 new students. I also found Kiersten, a young lady that has assisted Andy both at his Vermont school and at Scottsdale last year. We all started with exactly the same stretching and basic grip stance routine as the day before and as we would each day. We did a full swing lesson and Andy put each of us on video tape. Both Andy and Keirsten went up and down the line and each had valuable insight into what I was doing, right and wrong. Keirsten was very competent. After the full swing lesson we went to the sand trap and had a lesson in pitching, using the trap as the target to pitch over onto the green. I sucked. After the lesson we all went to lunch, after lunch we went back to the range and took a lesson in the long irons and driver. At approximately 2:00 I played a round with the three new students. My fingers were starting to hurt, and I developed a blister on my foot from my new shoes. WEDNESDAY We had a new student on this day, but the lady from the first day was gone, a total of five students, two instructors. The same morning routine was repeated. After the mid iron lesson and practice, at which Andy was most receptive to allowing me to concentrate on my driver, we went to the green for putting practice. I learned a new and improved grip. Keirsten was especially valuable for the mental part of my game, and she helped me understand feel on the green. After putting we had lunch. After lunch we went back to the range and continued working on my driver. At 2:00 I went out on the range with Andy, Keirsten, Ned and me. Just the four of us, for nine holes. Andy rode with me and assisted me with club selection, ettiquite, allignment, mental game, and just basic encouragement. Keirsten added when approprite. I SHOT THE BEST 9 HOLES OF MY LIFE! Even my pitching, which sucked so bad at practice, was excellent. Andy and I concluded that my on-the-course routines somehow centered me and relaxed me, whereas at practice I was more tense. In any event, the nine holes with Andy was more than I had envisioned. I had heard about some schools where the teachers merely followed you around. I also heard of schools where you went out EACH day with the instructor, so I thought this one-time-only round was not as good as that offered by other schools. So much for my predictions. The round was great. After the round, which we started on the back nine at my suggestion so I could see the last few holes while it was still light, I went by myself to the first hole and played by myself until I caught up with a group at 5, and called it a day. I went home with my fingers aching like hell. THURSDAY I took a day off and played the most exciting and enjoyable round of my life. I played TROON NORTH, the MONUMENT COURSE. It cost me $200 and was worth every penny. I took my camera and alternated shots with my club and shots with my camera. I was partnered with a guy from Boston. He was neither the best nor the worst partner I ever had. He threw a few minor tantrums when he screwed up. He did not seem pleased when his ball landed behind the monument on the 3rd hole, and my shot blew by it in the fairway. He seemed a bit impatient with my pre-shot routine. Hell, I’m no Sergio, but I do have a very definite routine consisting of two swings and a precise allignment, before I pull the trigger. I shot 111. Considering the challenge of the course, and my distraction at the beauty of it and my taking pictures, etc. I was quite pleased. I made some really great shots that I do not think I would have made before my lessons. I was never able to put together a totally complete hole. I drove great and putted lousy. I took a penalty for hitting into the desert and then chipped and putted well. And so it went. I did par the par three second hole. I’ll remember this round for the rest of my life. Thursday evening I met Brad, better known around these parts as GLFNAZ, for a few beers. He’s a really nice guy. We chatted about golf, RSG ( he told me all the stuff behind the posts) and other stuff. I’m so glad he helped talk me into going to AZ. FRIDAY My last day at school. My fingers were killing me. One of the students from the days before was gone, replaced by a new one. Five students, two instructors. Same routine in the AM as the other days. Andy had me hittin g into a tire to practice the impact position. We discussed my round at Troon and worked on some release problems. We talked about a new driver. He surprised me by telling me to get one with a firm or stiff flex. He said I have a fairly agressive swing ( he may have called it violent – one of my problems) and said I could get by with a stiffer flex. We worked a lot on the woods and driver. We all went for a pitching lesson and I sucked again. I can’t figure it out. After pitching we had lunch. After lunch we went back for some more woods and driver lessons. Before I went to play my last round with three of the other students Andy gave me his card and invited me to email or call him any time I had a question. On the first hole of the round I found myself behind a sand trap with an overhanging tree. I made a beautiful relaxed pitch with great trajectory. It hit the overhead branch, but I didn;t care. I asked the others to make sure and tell Andy the next day how nice I pitched. We played 15 holes before it got too dark and cool to continue. I had had enough. I was aching all over. CONCLUSION SCOTTSDALE is awesome. The Golf Schools of Scottsdale was everything I had hoped it would be. Andy is a very experienced and teaching professional. His laid-back manner is reassuring. He taught me much. His assistant was as capable as I would have expected. I didn’t get to take home a video, written materials or play each day with the instructor. I’m not sure those things are very valuable. Other schools offered similar programs with slight nuances. I definitely got my money’s worth.
Response:
As some of you may remember, last month I posted messages on this board soliciting advice on which golf school I should attend. I got quite a number of responses, and did much Internet research. I received at least 20 brochures in the mail. Several of the RSG posters asked me to come back here and tell them how it all worked out. Yesterday I returned from one week in Scottsdale Arizona. In a word, it was GREAT. What follows is a blow-by-blow, or more appropriately, a swing-by-swing account of my trip. I agonized over my decision for quite awhile. Should I spend more with one teacher as opposed to another? Which school used the best course? How many days, etc. etc. etc. My choice was a four day course at the Golf Schools of Scottsdale; a Golf Magazine top 25 school, head pro Andy Prosowski. The four days came to $1145, including golf each day after school. The school was located at the Orange Tree resort in Scottsdale; a nice, not desert, golf course. Approximately 6200 yards with water on 6 holes and sand all over the place. I was assured by the school’s manager, Ned Mullin, that I could, and was encouraged to, take a day off in the middle of the school. I was also assured that enrollment would be low and I would get much personal attention from Andy. MONDAY Andy met me at 8:45 am and sat me down in the restaurant to chat with me over a cup of coffee. He asked me all about my golf game, experience. He asked me what I wanted to accomplish and whether or not I had any physical problems. The most interesting question was how I considered my personality; i.e. laid-back, go-getter, or in-between. At 9:00am we went to the practice range and I met the one other student for the day (That’s right, one other student) a lady that was on her 3rd of 4 days with Andy. We started out with stretching and limbering up exercises. He next went through the grip, stance, address, etc., in fine detail. He was to repeat this routine each morning. He frequently went up to each of us and checked us individually. We then went through swing drills with a 7 iron. While I was doing the drill he video taped me on a portable video/computer system. He taped me for two swings from straight on and behind. We then went over the tape in slow and stop motion. Andy used a telestrator type pad to superimpose lines, angles etc. We quickly identified my faults, and we went right to work on fixing them. After drilling the full swing for awhile, we went over to the the putting green for some chipping lessons. After chipping we went to lunch along with the Ned. After lunch we went back to the range for more full swing work. At approximately 2:00, Andy sent me off with a threesome of guests to play a full round. And took the lady out for a practice round. I just managed to complete the 18 by darkness. FIRST DAY – I really liked Andy. He had a very easy going manner and obviously knew his stuff. We went right to work on correcting faults I had tried to correct in the past. I knew this was going to be really worthwhile. TUESDAY When I showed up at 9:00, I found 3 new students. I also found Kiersten, a young lady that has assisted Andy both at his Vermont school and at Scottsdale last year. We all started with exactly the same stretching and basic grip stance routine as the day before and as we would each day. We did a full swing lesson and Andy put each of us on video tape. Both Andy and Keirsten went up and down the line and each had valuable insight into what I was doing, right and wrong. Keirsten was very competent. After the full swing lesson we went to the sand trap and had a lesson in pitching, using the trap as the target to pitch over onto the green. I sucked. After the lesson we all went to lunch, after lunch we went back to the range and took a lesson in the long irons and driver. At approximately 2:00 I played a round with the three new students. My fingers were starting to hurt, and I developed a blister on my foot from my new shoes. WEDNESDAY We had a new student on this day, but the lady from the first day was gone, a total of five students, two instructors. The same morning routine was repeated. After the mid iron lesson and practice, at which Andy was most receptive to allowing me to concentrate on my driver, we went to the green for putting practice. I learned a new and improved grip. Keirsten was especially valuable for the mental part of my game, and she helped me understand feel on the green. After putting we had lunch. After lunch we went back to the range and continued working on my driver. At 2:00 I went out on the range with Andy, Keirsten, Ned and me. Just the four of us, for nine holes. Andy rode with me and assisted me with club selection, ettiquite, allignment, mental game, and just basic encouragement. Keirsten added when approprite. I SHOT THE BEST 9 HOLES OF MY LIFE! Even my pitching, which sucked so bad at practice, was excellent. Andy and I concluded that my on-the-course routines somehow centered me and relaxed me, whereas at practice I was more tense. In any event, the nine holes with Andy was more than I had envisioned. I had heard about some schools where the teachers merely followed you around. I also heard of schools where you went out EACH day with the instructor, so I thought this one-time-only round was not as good as that offered by other schools. So much for my predictions. The round was great. After the round, which we started on the back nine at my suggestion so I could see the last few holes while it was still light, I went by myself to the first hole and played by myself until I caught up with a group at 5, and called it a day. I went home with my fingers aching like hell. THURSDAY I took a day off and played the most exciting and enjoyable round of my life. I played TROON NORTH, the MONUMENT COURSE. It cost me $200 and was worth every penny. I took my camera and alternated shots with my club and shots with my camera. I was partnered with a guy from Boston. He was neither the best nor the worst partner I ever had. He threw a few minor tantrums when he screwed up. He did not seem pleased when his ball landed behind the monument on the 3rd hole, and my shot blew by it in the fairway. He seemed a bit impatient with my pre-shot routine. Hell, I’m no Sergio, but I do have a very definite routine consisting of two swings and a precise allignment, before I pull the trigger. I shot 111. Considering the challenge of the course, and my distraction at the beauty of it and my taking pictures, etc. I was quite pleased. I made some really great shots that I do not think I would have made before my lessons. I was never able to put together a totally complete hole. I drove great and putted lousy. I took a penalty for hitting into the desert and then chipped and putted well. And so it went. I did par the par three second hole. I’ll remember this round for the rest of my life. Thursday evening I met Brad, better known around these parts as GLFNAZ, for a few beers. He’s a really nice guy. We chatted about golf, RSG ( he told me all the stuff behind the posts) and other stuff. I’m so glad he helped talk me into going to AZ. FRIDAY My last day at school. My fingers were killing me. One of the students from the days before was gone, replaced by a new one. Five students, two instructors. Same routine in the AM as the other days. Andy had me hitting into a tire to practice the impact position. We discussed my round at Troon and worked on some release problems. We talked about a new driver. He surprised me by telling me to get one with a firm or stiff flex. He said I have a fairly agressive swing ( he may have called it violent – one of my problems) and said I could get by with a stiffer flex. We worked a lot on the woods and driver. We all went for a pitching lesson and I sucked again. I can’t figure it out. After pitching we had lunch. After lunch we went back for some more woods and driver lessons. Before I went to play my last round with three of the other students Andy gave me his card and invited me to email or call him any time I had a question. On the first hole of the round I found myself behind a sand trap with an overhanging tree. I made a beautiful relaxed pitch with great trajectory. It hit the overhead branch, but I didn;t care. I asked the others to make sure and tell Andy the next day how nice I pitched. We played 15 holes before it got too dark and cool to continue. I had had enough. I was aching all over. CONCLUSION SCOTTSDALE is awesome. The Golf Schools of Scottsdale was everything I had hoped it would be. Andy is a very experienced and teaching professional. His laid-back manner is reassuring. He taught me much. His assistant was as capable as I would have expected. I didn’t get to take home a video, written materials or play each day with the instructor. I’m not sure those things are very valuable. Other schools offered similar programs with slight nuances. I definitely got my money’s worth.