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Hey all! I’m totally new to all this. When someone says 270cc for a driver head, what exactly is it referring to, volume or weight? Steve
Steve; As anyone in this group will tell you, I am an expert in almost all things. I believe that the answer to your question is either motorcycles or martinis. Oldtimer [AKA; Crusader Rabbit]
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When someone says 270cc for a driver head, what exactly is it referring to, volume or weight? Steve As anyone in this group will tell you, I am an expert in almost all things. I believe that the answer to your question is either motorcycles or martinis. Oldtimer [AKA; Crusader Rabbit]
It must be motorcycles then, for my Honda is begging for repairs… Steve.
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Truly, I knew this, that cc is for volume – should have been more pointed in my question. But I don’t see the connection as to why a driver clubhead’s volume is described and not the weight… So do tell: What does the volume mean to a driver clubhead?
Well, the weight SHOULD have been given, it’s at least as important as volume. Adding the volume to a driver spec is a very recent development, since the advent of titanium heads. Physically larger clubheads are more forgiving because: - Higher clubhead moment of inertia. (I.e.- more peripheral weighting.) - Bigger striking surface. And the next question… Why are woods so shaped?
A difference between woods and irons is that the center of gravity of woods is further back from the face. This gives it some different properties in the dynamics of their contact with the ball. As for the details of the shape: that’s mostly tradition, with a smidgen of Rule 4 and Appendix II thrown in. Actually cc is a measure of mass, not weight or volume.
Scott, you forgot the smiley. Oh, you were SERIOUS? That’s even funnier. Happy New Year! Dave
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Back to clubheads… A Wood/driver’s clubhead VOLUME has little descriptive meaning. IMHO (as someone entirely new to Golf), weight and mass distribution followed by clubface area are the most quantifiable values at the business end of a club.
True, to a point. There is a trend, driven by the consumer, and fueled by the manufacturers, that Bigger is Better–suggesting, of course, that a bigger club head is a) easier to hit, and b) more forgiving on mis-hits. Neither are necessarily true, but, some golfers think that it is true, and some manufacturers try to tell you, (the consumer), that is is true… So, for some folks, a bigger, (270 cc) clubhead is ‘better’ than a smaller (230 cc) clubhead. Weight is relatively constant for a specific numbered clubhead, and for woods, weight distribution is seldom specified, for irons one can often tell the weight distribution from the design. Sorry if I as a newbie seem to be delving into the technical side with pointless abandon, but I keep reading things in advertising and net info that make no sense to me – and I’d like them explained.
Get used to it, but: 1) KEEP READING, and 2) Keep Questioning! I currently own one club (oversize 1 wood), which will decide my golfing future ///
This paragraph may spawn ‘more’ responses than any of your other questions :{) DO NOT hang you golfing future on your ability to hit your driver! The driver is: 1) Likely the MOST DIFFICULT club in your bag to hit; 2) Close to the least used club in your bag. My recomendation would be to get a 6 or 7 iron. If you can hit that 135-150 yards consistantly, then there is hope for your game. Oh, almost forgot… The hosel is the sticky-outty bit of the club head that holds the shaft. — | | db miko Mac Shack Golf PCS-Class A Clubmaker London, Ontario, CANADA
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So do tell: What does the volume mean to a driver clubhead? Volume is one indication of overall size, the more volume, the bigger the clubhead is likely to be.
I’d say it’d have to be bigger! What matters to performance is more face area and weight distribution, but in general the bigger the head the bigger the face and the more permiter weighting.
Yeah, so I read. Club and component manufacturers seem to be engaged in a contest to see who can build the biggest, ugliest wood head around. The old jumbos (in the area of 200-230cc) already looked like those plastic toys they make for kids — way too big and light looking for the length of the shaft. I can’t imagine what a 270 must look like. Component manufactures generally give both size and weight, but size is hyped, while weight is burried in the details of the specs.
Yeah, I’m surprised at how light these things are. I kinda wish it was really heavy. Must be a good reason why it isn’t. manufacturers have experimented with alternate designs, some (like the no-hosel woods that I believe Calaway introduced) got away with it, others, like hosels in the center of the head or hollow clubheads, have been declared illegal because they don’t meet the rule that says "they must be generally plain in shape".
Whats a Hosel then? Still, that leaves a lot of variation: Deep or shallow faces, keel soles, flat soles, rounded soles, inset hosels, plain hosels, no hosels, etc. Like anything else subjective, you will find people who swear by just about any feature of a golf club and others who swear that the same feature is ruining their game.
Hmmm, too many goodies! Oooh. And apologies for sending the original message again. The stupid newsreader indicated it wasn’t sent and it got re-sent by accident. Steve.
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So do tell: What does the volume mean to a driver clubhead? And the next question… Why are woods so shaped? Steve Actually cc is a measure of mass, not weight or volume.
This is an area where more explanation is required. CC is, of course, Cubic Centimetres. It’s most popular usage is volume for liquids/fluids. In respects to mass, cc is also used to describe mass in only one situation – pure water – where 1cc of water weighs 1 gram and so 1000cc of water weighs 1000 grams or one Kilogram. Thus 1 litre of water = 1 Kilogram. Back to clubheads… A Wood/driver’s clubhead VOLUME has little descriptive meaning. IMHO (as someone entirely new to Golf), weight and mass distribution followed by clubface area are the most quantifiable values at the business end of a club. Sorry if I as a newbie seem to be delving into the technical side with pointless abandon, but I keep reading things in advertising and net info that make no sense to me – and I’d like them explained. I currently own one club (oversize 1 wood), which will decide my golfing future. If I can’t hit the ball with this thing a reasonable distance (at least 120 metres) with reasonable accuracy (15 degrees left or right) within a couple of weeks, I’ll be calling it GameOver. The good news (for me) is that I’m getting there, and while I still gape in awe as the ball is occasionally hit on the right right spot and really flies where it’s supposed to go (albeit in an 90 yard park). I should be ready to actually wander off to a golf course in a few months! <g Steve.
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Actually cc is a measure of mass, not weight or volume.
c.c. is definetely a unit of VOLUME! — Leo
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey all! I’m totally new to all this. When someone says 270cc for a driver head, what exactly is it referring to, volume or weight? Steve, "cc" is an often used abbreviation for ‘cubic centimeter’, a measure of VOLUME. Truly, I knew this, that cc is for volume – should have been more pointed in my question. But I don’t see the connection as to why a driver clubhead’s volume is described and not the weight. When I saw Irons being given the attribute of weight and that drivers get a volume, I guessed that volume could either be an alternate (read ancient) way of giving clubhead weight for drivers. So do tell: What does the volume mean to a driver clubhead? And the next question… Why are woods so shaped? Steve
Weight is certainly a consideration in buying & building woods and all the major manufacturers / distributors include the head’s weight, as well as volume, in theri descriptions. For example, as I flip through the DYnacraft catalog, driver weights are listed for each one I see, with the typical weight being from 200 to 204 grams. The higher the number (ie: 3 wood, 5 wood), the higher the weight. — Norman Unsworh, Owner Clark Systems Custom Golf Visit our Web Site at http://home.earthlink.net/~clarksystems/
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So do tell: What does the volume mean to a driver clubhead?
Volume is one indication of overall size, the more volume, the bigger the clubhead is likely to be. What matters to performance is more face area and weight distribution, but in general the bigger the head the bigger the face and the more permiter weighting. Club and component manufacturers seem to be engaged in a contest to see who can build the biggest, ugliest wood head around. The old jumbos (in the area of 200-230cc) already looked like those plastic toys they make for kids — way too big and light looking for the length of the shaft. I can’t imagine what a 270 must look like. Component manufactures generally give both size and weight, but size is hyped, while weight is burried in the details of the specs. Weight doesn’t matter much in a complete OEM club, since the OEM has already chosen the propper shaft type and length to make a club with a reasonable swingweight, but the clubmaker uses weight on both woods and irons to predict swingweight and aid in the selection of shafts and grips to match. And the next question… Why are woods so shaped?
Historical more than anything else. Originally they were nothing more than bent sticks with a carved flat spot, and looked more like little hockey sticks. As assembly got more sophistocated, the bulbous shape of a wood was I suspect simply a reasonably easy shape to carve that was strong and had low wind resistance. Many manufacturers have experimented with alternate designs, some (like the no-hosel woods that I believe Calaway introduced) got away with it, others, like hosels in the center of the head or hollow clubheads, have been declared illegal because they don’t meet the rule that says "they must be generally plain in shape". Still, that leaves a lot of variation: Deep or shallow faces, keel soles, flat soles, rounded soles, inset hosels, plain hosels, no hosels, etc. Like anything else subjective, you will find people who swear by just about any feature of a golf club and others who swear that the same feature is ruining their game. — Warren Montgomery Lucent Technologies, formerly AT&T’s systems and technology business
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey all! I’m totally new to all this. When someone says 270cc for a driver head, what exactly is it referring to, volume or weight? Steve, "cc" is an often used abbreviation for ‘cubic centimeter’, a measure of VOLUME. Truly, I knew this, that cc is for volume – should have been more pointed in my question. But I don’t see the connection as to why a driver clubhead’s volume is described and not the weight. When I saw Irons being given the attribute of weight and that drivers get a volume, I guessed that volume could either be an alternate (read ancient) way of giving clubhead weight for drivers. So do tell: What does the volume mean to a driver clubhead? And the next question… Why are woods so shaped? Steve
Actually cc is a measure of mass, not weight or volume.
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Hey all! I’m totally new to all this. When someone says 270cc for a driver head, what exactly is it referring to, volume or weight? Steve, "cc" is an often used abbreviation for ‘cubic centimeter’, a measure of VOLUME.
Truly, I knew this, that cc is for volume – should have been more pointed in my question. But I don’t see the connection as to why a driver clubhead’s volume is described and not the weight. When I saw Irons being given the attribute of weight and that drivers get a volume, I guessed that volume could either be an alternate (read ancient) way of giving clubhead weight for drivers. So do tell: What does the volume mean to a driver clubhead? And the next question… Why are woods so shaped? Steve
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Hey all! I’m totally new to all this. When someone says 270cc for a driver head, what exactly is it referring to, volume or weight? Steve
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Hey all! I’m totally new to all this. When someone says 270cc for a driver head, what exactly is it referring to, volume or weight?
Steve, "cc" is an often used abbreviation for ‘cubic centimeter’, a measure of VOLUME. — | | db miko Mac Shack Golf PCS-Class A Clubmaker London, Ontario, CANADA