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One of the major keys is gripping the club so that the left hand *cannot* break down until *after* impact thereby allowing the right hand to apply power or touch as the shot demands. If you have discovered a grip which positions your left hand such that it *cannot* break down until after impact I would be very grateful to hear the details. Bill-OB

That isn’t an issue with a proper hold on the club with the left hand.  In the fingers, with no funny business of wrist twisting or manipulation during the downswing. Is "break down" a query that comes about because of a poorly taken grip or procedure? Even a baby can cling with his fingers "without effort", and a proper swing simply uses the left hand as a clamp/holder-onner, and not as an agent to apply force. How come the question arises about "break down?" GH – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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I’ve never seen a good physics explanation of the clubhead to ball energy transfer. If anyone can point me to one, I’d be grateful!

From Dave Tutelman’s Club Design Notes (http://www.clubmaker-online.com/physics3.html)                       1 + e                     1 + (m/M) where: e = An efficiency measure of momentum transfer (typically 0.67 for a full swing with a legal ball and a rigid clubface, up to 0.8 for partial swings or "springy" clubfaces). m = Mass of the ball (typically 1.62 ounces). M = Mass of the clubhead (typically 7 ounces for driver). To see how differently the clubhead speed and the clubhead mass effect the ball velocity, consider that A 10% increase in clubhead speed with no change in clubhead weight increases ball velocity 10%. A 10% increase in clubhead weight with no change in clubhead speed increases ball velocity only 1.7%. … In other words, and in summary: Distance is a strong function of clubhead speed. Distance is a weak function of clubhead weight. If you can’t swing a heavier clubhead very nearly as fast as a lighter one, the heavier head will cost you distance. Note: *e* is basically the COR of the clubface If you have ever used Max Dupilka’s trajectory model, the equation for the energy transfer bit is the same as Tutelman’s. Cheers Colin Wilson RSG Roll Call: http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=wilsonc Trentham Golf Club: http://www.trenthamgolf.com

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Much of the power in golf comes from the back of the golfer – , the mass of his body – the rotation of that body around a pivot axis.  Power is misunderstood sometimes, as in golfhitsballpropelsball it is mv = mv. Mass times velocity prior to impact = mass times velocity after impact, allowing for loss of energy through inefficiency of the bounce qualities of a golf ball and of the surface of your clubface. The clubhead weighs between 8 and 13 ounces or so – the lighter ones the ones used to produce distance as opposed to measured distances for approach shots.  A typical tour player achieves 150 mph ball velocity or more by meeting the ball with a 110 mph clubhead speed, which creates a 70 mpg ball speed at separation, from a clubhead which has been slowed down to 80 at that instant.  Sum of 70 + 80 = 150 ball speed vis-a-vis the ground. The mass of the clubhead doesn’t exert much influence though.  I’m sure I could swing a club twice as heavy as a normal one more than half as fast.  If it was purely ‘mv’ like you say, I’d hit this further.  I’d probably see my best results with a sledgehammer — I don’t know how fast I could swing it offhand, but say I have one weighing 30 lbs, and I could swing it only 10 mph.  That’s an increase of 50x over a normal club, and it’d be the equivalent of a 500 mph clubhead speed, via the ‘mv’ formula. Eat your heart out, Tiger :) Personally, I wonder if clubhead weight matters at all, once it weighs more than the ball (which they all do)  I wonder if anyone has ever done any Iron Byron testing with clubs identical other than head weight, swung at the same speed.  There may be a difference, but I’ll bet it wouldn’t be very big. I’ve never seen a good physics explanation of the clubhead to ball energy transfer.  If anyone can point me to one, I’d be grateful! —

Doug: that IS the formula.  it is pure physics – the law of momentum transfer. There is loss of energy due to COR of a ball at those speeds of about 65% and of the best drivers at about 85". so mass is VERY important, as is easy to calculate.  The problem about heavy clubs is the inability of humans to develop appropriate speed with them, making it "diminishing returns" to deal with them. Testing seems to show that clubs can be as light as can be made for an INCrease in the net bottom line golf ball velocity; this is the reason for superlight shafts and light grips.  But you DO have to have feedback from the clubhead to manage the club with accuracy for impact.  I have heard of drivers weighing total about 9 ounces – but the shafts and heads would be incredibly expensive — and probably subject to fracture more than the more substantial ones we use daily. Kelley, early in TGM, uses this formula and explanation of ball speed.  His physics explanations have not really ever been refuted – and this formula is really 101 or I wouldn’t understand it… George Hibbard – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A good friend will help you move, a true friend will help you move a body.

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I wish you were……funny! But you never are. How about trying alt.middleschool.humor -Greg – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m not even sure what a "weak gripper" is, but I’ll bet alot of the men in here suffer from it.

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Much of the power in golf comes from the back of the golfer – , the mass of his body – the rotation of that body around a pivot axis.  Power is misunderstood sometimes, as in golfhitsballpropelsball it is mv = mv.  Mass times velocity prior to impact = mass times velocity after impact, allowing for loss of energy through inefficiency of the bounce qualities of a golf ball and of the surface of your clubface. The clubhead weighs between 8 and 13 ounces or so – the lighter ones the ones used to produce distance as opposed to measured distances for approach shots.  A typical tour player achieves 150 mph ball velocity or more by meeting the ball with a 110 mph clubhead speed, which creates a 70 mpg ball speed at separation, from a clubhead which has been slowed down to 80 at that instant.  Sum of 70 + 80 = 150 ball speed vis-a-vis the ground.

The mass of the clubhead doesn’t exert much influence though.  I’m sure I could swing a club twice as heavy as a normal one more than half as fast.  If it was purely ‘mv’ like you say, I’d hit this further.  I’d probably see my best results with a sledgehammer — I don’t know how fast I could swing it offhand, but say I have one weighing 30 lbs, and I could swing it only 10 mph.  That’s an increase of 50x over a normal club, and it’d be the equivalent of a 500 mph clubhead speed, via the ‘mv’ formula. Eat your heart out, Tiger :) Personally, I wonder if clubhead weight matters at all, once it weighs more than the ball (which they all do)  I wonder if anyone has ever done any Iron Byron testing with clubs identical other than head weight, swung at the same speed.  There may be a difference, but I’ll bet it wouldn’t be very big. I’ve never seen a good physics explanation of the clubhead to ball energy transfer.  If anyone can point me to one, I’d be grateful! — A good friend will help you move, a true friend will help you move a body.

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One of the major keys is gripping the club so that the left hand *cannot* break down until *after* impact thereby allowing the right hand to apply power or touch as the shot demands.

If you have discovered a grip which positions your left hand such that it *cannot* break down until after impact I would be very grateful to hear the details. Bill-OB

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I had an interesting range session yesterday.  Over the last year, my left hand grip has become stronger and stronger in the hopes that it would help me square up at impact.  My instructor’s opinion was that I was not releasing the club, and that my swing was not Azinger-like enough to get away with that grip.  So he had me crank the left hand way around to where the back of the hand was pointing parallel left. I proceeded to strike the ball very well.  He said he will eventually strengthen the grip a little but he wants to exaggerate the change so I get use to turning the right over the left. I did miss hit some and the cause appeared to be the same every time. Instead of my nice, smooth, 80% downswing, the "hitting gene" would take over and induce a might thrash at the ball.   So for now I’m concentrating on three things:  tempo, tempo, and tempo! Dave Clary/Corpus Christi,TX Home: http://home.stx.rr.com/dclary Never Forget: http://www.politicsandprotest.org RSG Roll Call http://www.rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=claryd

My left thumb is *left* of the center-line of the shaft.  The back of my left hand is *really* facing the target when I set up.  This does a number of very good things I won’t get into here.   Btw, I can draw the ball, but I can’t hook it with that set up. Wonder who said/did that? ;) Scott

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Over the years I have heard/read this discussion many times with different answers to the right/left hand question. As an example of the pro-right hand side, here is a snippet from Tommy Armours book written in 1953. I know, different equipment etc.. but it is still interesting: "Your right hand, being the human element closest to the clubhead, is the instrument located to produce the clubhead speed you want. It all adds up to the swift-moving right hand being the source of the dynamic power. There is a false idea that golf is a left handed game for right handed players. The left handed game notion grew out of a failure to diagnose an error correctly. The error was in blaming the right hand for overpowering the left, when what really happened was that the left hand was too weak (during the swing). The error accounted for many mistakes in golf instruction since it made weakness, rather than strength, the governing factor." Bill-OB

Tommy Armour is correct …as was Hogan wishing he had 3 right hands! However, it depends on the shot you wish to hit.  The right hand can apply touch *and/or* power while the left provides the arc/stability. One of the major keys is gripping the club so that the left hand *cannot* break down until *after* impact thereby allowing the right hand to apply power or touch as the shot demands. Scott

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Watch PGA Tour golfers, and see what they do with the right arm. No letting up on the club with the right arm; they fire that right arm through the ball. So do all strong players.

I saw a piece on Vijay last week that showed his right hand coming off after impact. Check out the video that comes with the Whippy Tempomaster.  John Melvin lets go and still hits drives over 250 yards. Check out professional racquetball players.  The hardest hitters have great backhands because they coil their torsos and use the big muscles to fire the lead arm through (the equivalent of a left side golf swing for a right hander). I have no problem with saying the right side is important for power. It’s one view and is shared by my great golfers (like Hogan’s quote). But saying all you can do with a left sided swing is "bitch slap" the ball is wrong. Dave Clary/Corpus Christi,TX Home: http://home.stx.rr.com/dclary Never Forget: http://www.politicsandprotest.org RSG Roll Call http://www.rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=claryd

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There are many left-handers playing golf right-handed, and this adds another variable to the equation.  It’s never about a over-dominant right hand/arm for us, but about finding the right balance to control the very strong left side and bring the right arm into the mix.  Same reason I always used to fight rope pulls down the 3rd base line in softball. As I am improving and my right arm is more in control, so my grip is weakening.  Hard to say if it’s for the same reason that a better right-handed player does it, though. — Ron Blanchard http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=blanchardr I took the RSG 2002 Pledge to not encourage trolls "Make Golf Difficult Again."  -  Ian MacCallister

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I had an interesting range session yesterday.  Over the last year, my left hand grip has become stronger and stronger in the hopes that it would help me square up at impact.  My instructor’s opinion was that I was not releasing the club, and that my swing was not Azinger-like enough to get away with that grip.  So he had me crank the left hand way around to where the back of the hand was pointing parallel left. I proceeded to strike the ball very well.  He said he will eventually strengthen the grip a little but he wants to exaggerate the change so I get use to turning the right over the left. I did miss hit some and the cause appeared to be the same every time. Instead of my nice, smooth, 80% downswing, the "hitting gene" would take over and induce a might thrash at the ball. So for now I’m concentrating on three things:  tempo, tempo, and tempo! There is no power from the left hand/arm for a right hander. All the power comes from the right side/arm/hand. All you do with the left arm is bitch slap the ball. Rob — Service is the rent we pay for being RSG Masters 2002 ( http://home.att.net/~janellenrob/RSG-MS_02.html ) RSG Masters 2003 ( http://home.att.net/~janellenrob/RSG-MS-03P.html )

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There is no power from the left hand/arm for a right hander. All the power comes from the right side/arm/hand. All you do with the left arm is bitch slap the ball. Rob I read a fair amount of this left/right hand stuff in Hogan, Armour, and so on and can’t claim it ever made any sense to me.  Eventually I saw a teacher, he said "Too handsy", and I forgot about the whole thing.  Seemed to help a lot.

Much of the power in golf comes from the back of the golfer – , the mass of his body – the rotation of that body around a pivot axis.  Power is misunderstood sometimes, as in golfhitsballpropelsball it is mv = mv.  Mass times velocity prior to impact = mass times velocity after impact, allowing for loss of energy through inefficiency of the bounce qualities of a golf ball and of the surface of your clubface. The clubhead weighs between 8 and 13 ounces or so – the lighter ones the ones used to produce distance as opposed to measured distances for approach shots.  A typical tour player achieves 150 mph ball velocity or more by meeting the ball with a 110 mph clubhead speed, which creates a 70 mpg ball speed at separation, from a clubhead which has been slowed down to 80 at that instant.  Sum of 70 + 80 = 150 ball speed vis-a-vis the ground. 10 ounces is really not a lot of weight for a human weighing 125 to 300 lbs to handle – so it is not for most people that are long hitters that they are so strong as it is that they know how to use their 8 to 10 ounces of clubhead efficiently and their bodies to produce 110 mph clubhead speed.  It is done through large arc — amplitude of motion, and efficiency of mechanics (release happening when it should instead of being wasted before impact.) This act is elusive and it is not well taught mainstream.  It is almost never addressed.  Dean Reinmuth has totally missed passing that info to his engineer pupil he hopes to have break 80 "in ten lessons or less." It is "job one" of golf to know how a release happens, how handspeed is multiplied fourfold by the clubhead when you do it right. You already know of the concept, because when you snap a wet towel and produce a "crack" sound, the sound is not cloth smacking against itself – it is a cloth tail breaking the sound barrier of over 700 miles per hour!  Your little wrist snap produces a 700 mph speed OUT AT THE END OF THE FLAIL. So the phenomenon of centrifugal release (physicists please allow the words even if they are not microscopically correct for identifying the phenomenon….) is what needs to be grasped.  Once understood correctly, anyone can set about with common sense and a little guidance to produce reasonably decent clubhead speed. If he also happens to be VERY strong, he might do this better than Annika Sorrenstam, who drives only in the 260 range….  But again his strength will be no match for HER distance if he does NOT know what he is doing. Bottom line: the left hand is a CONNECTOR between the spinning body and the club, not a power source.  Same as a rope connection behind a tow car to pull a towee. The BODY and rotation and right arm apply push to the LEFT HAND to assist its delivery of body rotation to the fulcrum of the club mechanism – not a striking stick but a flail – in ITS most efficient use for driving distance. Bottom line then is that one must learn to handle the club’s release from a cocked position correctly, or else he will for a lifetime never have a single truly satisfying golf shot.  One that exPLODEs off the clubface.. And not from his personal strength, but from the collision of a 100 mph 10 ounce clubhead and a 1.6 ounce superball. George Hibbard www.perfectimpact.com

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – snip There is no power from the left hand/arm for a right hander. All the power comes from the right side/arm/hand. All you do with the left arm is bitch slap the ball. Rob Are you sure about that?  I always thought that the right hand/harm was more for control, and the left hand/arm for power. When I read great golfers speaking of their sourceof power, they talk about firing the right side. Almost all the hackers I see who can’t hit the ball worth beans, including myself on video, they don’t get through the shot with the right side; there is no turn at all, just a pull from the left side. When you do this, the club has to go outside the proper swingplane. I don’t read "firing the right side" as using the right hand/arm for power… to me, it has more to do with clearing the hips and attacking the ball from the inside. People can "think" what they want, of course (as can I). Rob Of course they can… I was only giving my (very humble) opinion.

My personal example will be available at RSG-ATL, as it was at the RSG Masters. The improvement in my game; the thing that makes me consistent these days, is that over the last 3 years, I have gained control over what my right hand does. If I left go with my right hand, do not have it firmly on the club, I hit a lot of bad shots, always hit weak shots. When I keep the grip pressure with my right hand throughout my swing (and you really feel it fire through just before contact) I hit great shots; better than I have ever hit, without a lot of effort. Of course, I still lift up my head, collapse my left side, etc, causing bad shots, but even so, getting the right side through makes those even shots all the better; the duffed 3W goes 200 yards, not 80 yards. The slice isn’t as bad, nor is the hook. Watch PGA Tour golfers, and see what they do with the right arm. No letting up on the club with the right arm; they fire that right arm through the ball. So do all strong players. Rob — Service is the rent we pay for being RSG Masters 2002 ( http://home.att.net/~janellenrob/RSG-MS_02.html ) RSG Masters 2003 ( http://home.att.net/~janellenrob/RSG-MS-03P.html )

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snip There is no power from the left hand/arm for a right hander. All the power comes from the right side/arm/hand. All you do with the left arm is bitch slap the ball. Rob Are you sure about that?  I always thought that the right hand/harm was more for control, and the left hand/arm for power.

Over the years I have heard/read this discussion many times with different answers to the right/left hand question. As an example of the pro-right hand side, here is a snippet from Tommy Armours book written in 1953. I know, different equipment etc.. but it is still interesting: "Your right hand, being the human element closest to the clubhead, is the instrument located to produce the clubhead speed you want. It all adds up to the swift-moving right hand being the source of the dynamic power. There is a false idea that golf is a left handed game for right handed players. The left handed game notion grew out of a failure to diagnose an error correctly. The error was in blaming the right hand for overpowering the left, when what really happened was that the left hand was too weak (during the swing). The error accounted for many mistakes in golf instruction since it made weakness, rather than strength, the governing factor." Bill-OB

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There is no power from the left hand/arm for a right hander. All the power comes from the right side/arm/hand. All you do with the left arm is bitch slap the ball. Rob

I read a fair amount of this left/right hand stuff in Hogan, Armour, and so on and can’t claim it ever made any sense to me.  Eventually I saw a teacher, he said "Too handsy", and I forgot about the whole thing.  Seemed to help a lot.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – snip There is no power from the left hand/arm for a right hander. All the power comes from the right side/arm/hand. All you do with the left arm is bitch slap the ball. Rob Are you sure about that?  I always thought that the right hand/harm was more for control, and the left hand/arm for power. When I read great golfers speaking of their sourceof power, they talk about firing the right side. Almost all the hackers I see who can’t hit the ball worth beans, including myself on video, they don’t get through the shot with the right side; there is no turn at all, just a pull from the left side. When you do this, the club has to go outside the proper swingplane.

I don’t read "firing the right side" as using the right hand/arm for power… to me, it has more to do with clearing the hips and attacking the ball from the inside. People can "think" what they want, of course (as can I). Rob

Of course they can… I was only giving my (very humble) opinion.

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snip There is no power from the left hand/arm for a right hander. All the power comes from the right side/arm/hand. All you do with the left arm is bitch slap the ball. Rob

Are you sure about that?  I always thought that the right hand/harm was more for control, and the left hand/arm for power.

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A true man has only strong grips and strong clubs. Actually, I believe way too many people believe that.   You don’t see anybody hitting a weak 2 wood do you? Maybe if a weak grip is appropriate – one should think of a "strong grip" as being one that weak people need to use to hit the ball an ordinary distance – but there’s no such thing as too strong (or too manly) when we’re talking macho. I wonder if another term would work as well to describe our grips.

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snip There is no power from the left hand/arm for a right hander. All the power comes from the right side/arm/hand. All you do with the left arm is bitch slap the ball. Rob Are you sure about that?  I always thought that the right hand/harm was more for control, and the left hand/arm for power.

When I read great golfers speaking of their sourceof power, they talk about firing the right side. Almost all the hackers I see who can’t hit the ball worth beans, including myself on video, they don’t get through the shot with the right side; there is no turn at all, just a pull from the left side. When you do this, the club has to go outside the proper swingplane. People can "think" what they want, of course (as can I). Rob — Service is the rent we pay for being RSG Masters 2002 ( http://home.att.net/~janellenrob/RSG-MS_02.html ) RSG Masters 2003 ( http://home.att.net/~janellenrob/RSG-MS-03P.html )

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I’m not even sure what a "weak gripper" is, but I’ll bet alot of the men in here suffer from it.

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Sounds more like neutral than weak. Other than saying it exists, I don’t think I have ever seen anybody actually write about or teach a true weak grip. I went from very strong grip to neutral a couple of years ago as I could not stop the draw from becoming a vicious hook and I like my game much better now.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I had an interesting range session yesterday.  Over the last year, my left hand grip has become stronger and stronger in the hopes that it would help me square up at impact.  My instructor’s opinion was that I was not releasing the club, and that my swing was not Azinger-like enough to get away with that grip.  So he had me crank the left hand way around to where the back of the hand was pointing parallel left. I proceeded to strike the ball very well.  He said he will eventually strengthen the grip a little but he wants to exaggerate the change so I get use to turning the right over the left. I did miss hit some and the cause appeared to be the same every time. Instead of my nice, smooth, 80% downswing, the "hitting gene" would take over and induce a might thrash at the ball. So for now I’m concentrating on three things:  tempo, tempo, and tempo! Dave Clary/Corpus Christi,TX Home: http://home.stx.rr.com/dclary Never Forget: http://www.politicsandprotest.org RSG Roll Call http://www.rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=claryd

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The tendency for many players is to weaken their grip as they get better. The swing gets better tempo and a better timed release as it improves.  A strong grip in conjunction with an improving swing may lead to hookitis – a disease Ben Hogan fought during his career.  A weak grip may not allow less accomplished players to square up the club at impact.  A good place to try to get to is ‘V’s pointing to your shoulder’.  Grips weaker than that can cause problems – slices and loss of distance; grips stronger than that can cause hooks. The other thing to guard against is the right hand and left hand grips not being the same.  For instance, I have a tendency to "separate my thumbs" either letting my right hand grip get too strong while maintaining an OK left hand grip or letting my left hand grip get too weak while right hand is OK.  This causes problems and the cure always seems to be painful for 2-3 weeks. Willowy, very flexible, long swinging (young) golfers are better served by a somewhat weaker grip than overweight, less flexible, older golfers because they don’t need to accelerate their longer swings as much to attain the same impact velocity. If in doubt, work with your Pro w/ videotape equipment so you’ll believe what he tells you. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I had an interesting range session yesterday.  Over the last year, my left hand grip has become stronger and stronger in the hopes that it would help me square up at impact.  My instructor’s opinion was that I was not releasing the club, and that my swing was not Azinger-like enough to get away with that grip.  So he had me crank the left hand way around to where the back of the hand was pointing parallel left. I proceeded to strike the ball very well.  He said he will eventually strengthen the grip a little but he wants to exaggerate the change so I get use to turning the right over the left.

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I had an interesting range session yesterday.  Over the last year, my left hand grip has become stronger and stronger in the hopes that it would help me square up at impact.  My instructor’s opinion was that I was not releasing the club, and that my swing was not Azinger-like enough to get away with that grip.  So he had me crank the left hand way around to where the back of the hand was pointing parallel left. I proceeded to strike the ball very well.  He said he will eventually strengthen the grip a little but he wants to exaggerate the change so I get use to turning the right over the left. I did miss hit some and the cause appeared to be the same every time. Instead of my nice, smooth, 80% downswing, the "hitting gene" would take over and induce a might thrash at the ball.   So for now I’m concentrating on three things:  tempo, tempo, and tempo! Dave Clary/Corpus Christi,TX Home: http://home.stx.rr.com/dclary Never Forget: http://www.politicsandprotest.org RSG Roll Call http://www.rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=claryd

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I had an interesting range session yesterday.  Over the last year, my left hand grip has become stronger and stronger in the hopes that it would help me square up at impact.  My instructor’s opinion was that I was not releasing the club, and that my swing was not Azinger-like enough to get away with that grip.  So he had me crank the left hand way around to where the back of the hand was pointing parallel left. I proceeded to strike the ball very well.  He said he will eventually strengthen the grip a little but he wants to exaggerate the change so I get use to turning the right over the left. I did miss hit some and the cause appeared to be the same every time. Instead of my nice, smooth, 80% downswing, the "hitting gene" would take over and induce a might thrash at the ball. So for now I’m concentrating on three things:  tempo, tempo, and tempo!

There is no power from the left hand/arm for a right hander. All the power comes from the right side/arm/hand. All you do with the left arm is bitch slap the ball. Rob — Service is the rent we pay for being RSG Masters 2002 ( http://home.att.net/~janellenrob/RSG-MS_02.html ) RSG Masters 2003 ( http://home.att.net/~janellenrob/RSG-MS-03P.html )

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I disagree because I read something. And if it’s right then the unhinging of the left hand is a major source of power. ("In Search of the Perfect Swing") The right hand is the "feel" hand. – Tiger Woods.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I had an interesting range session yesterday.  Over the last year, my left hand grip has become stronger and stronger in the hopes that it would help me square up at impact.  My instructor’s opinion was that I was not releasing the club, and that my swing was not Azinger-like enough to get away with that grip.  So he had me crank the left hand way around to where the back of the hand was pointing parallel left. I proceeded to strike the ball very well.  He said he will eventually strengthen the grip a little but he wants to exaggerate the change so I get use to turning the right over the left. I did miss hit some and the cause appeared to be the same every time. Instead of my nice, smooth, 80% downswing, the "hitting gene" would take over and induce a might thrash at the ball. So for now I’m concentrating on three things:  tempo, tempo, and tempo! There is no power from the left hand/arm for a right hander. All the power comes from the right side/arm/hand. All you do with the left arm is bitch slap the ball. Rob — Service is the rent we pay for being RSG Masters 2002 ( http://home.att.net/~janellenrob/RSG-MS_02.html ) RSG Masters 2003 ( http://home.att.net/~janellenrob/RSG-MS-03P.html )

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There is no power from the left hand/arm for a right hander. All the power comes from the right side/arm/hand. All you do with the left arm is bitch slap the ball.

Baloney!  If you use your upper body correctly the left side can provide all the power you need.  If combine it with the right sight then so much the better.   Dave Clary/Corpus Christi,TX Home: http://home.stx.rr.com/dclary Never Forget: http://www.politicsandprotest.org RSG Roll Call http://www.rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=claryd

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