Question:
I remember another case of some troublesome kids at a course who had a different angle. At this course, there was a par 3 with a blind green. From the tee, the ground continued out flat for several yards and then dropped into a recess where the green was located. There was a periscope installed at the tee to determine if anyone was on the green, and where the pin placement was (for what help that was worth!). The green was on the edge of the course, adjacent to a neighborhood. On one day the kids hid near the green, and after the tee shots came sailing in, they’d run out and grab the ball closest to the pin and throw it in the cup! Then they’d disappear to their hiding place before the golfers came down the hill. Several "aces" were reported before someone caught on to what was really going on… and then they were all disallowed. Imagine having THAT rug yanked out from under you! BW
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At least you saw them! Imagine your surprise if you got up there and never knew what happened!
stroke and distance for a ball hit right down the middle! ouch! charlie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yesterday some colleges and I played golf. At hole 12, a narrow fairway in the wood, all of us landed our second shot pretty close to each other some 150 meters in front of us. When the last one in the group had made his shot two kids ran in from the wood and stole two of our golf balls. We yelled at them, but they ran off in a hurry. What would be a correct procedure according to the rules in such a situation? Was it correct to drop the ball from where we played our last shot, or could we have dropped from the point where the balls were stolen? PS: we ran into the same kids at hole 15 and got our golf balls back, and hopefully taught them a lesson. Regards, Stig Johansen (novice HCP 27)
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This is not a stolen ball tale, but fits in with penalty for lost ball. The 16th at my course is a 385 par four. The first 200 yds or so is flat,but then it doglegs left and is hard downhill. Once the tee shot leaves the flatland it’s impossile to follow the exact landing of the ball. After heavy rain the valley in front of the elevated green can become a lake. Here’s the tale . Playing for $$ one of our group kills a drive high and long down the right center of the fairway, great drive. Nope, for we never could find the ball. It was in the casual water, no doubt, but one guy kept claiming it was lost, and he was possibly technically correct. Three of us over ruled him using common sense rule, declared ball in casual water with no penalty. He screwed up his approach and bogied the hole anyways. From that day on we sentd a player to the top of the hill to ascertain where the drives end up. "Sweet Lou"
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Brings back at memory from the early 50s.I was a caddy at Sanky Head GC on Nantucket Island and we lived at the caddy camp on the course.One day we were going swimming and were passing the 5th green.This is a blind par 4.Flat off the tee for about 250yds then a slope to a severely sloping green.Around 440 yds total.This day there was a strong wind blowing towards the green from the tee.As we crossed the fairway in front of the green a ball came over the hill and with a high bounce rolled to about 30 yds short of the green.It was a magnificent drive.We grabbed that ball and put it in athe hole and disappeared into the scrub oak. Needless to say the result was chaos.The celibration went on till late in the evening.We were afraid to tell even our friends and this became a legend at the couse. A hole in one on the par 4 5th hole. Now you know the rest of the story! Dan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I remember another case of some troublesome kids at a course who had a different angle. At this course, there was a par 3 with a blind green. From the tee, the ground continued out flat for several yards and then dropped into a recess where the green was located. There was a periscope installed at the tee to determine if anyone was on the green, and where the pin placement was (for what help that was worth!). The green was on the edge of the course, adjacent to a neighborhood. On one day the kids hid near the green, and after the tee shots came sailing in, they’d run out and grab the ball closest to the pin and throw it in the cup! Then they’d disappear to their hiding place before the golfers came down the hill. Several "aces" were reported before someone caught on to what was really going on… and then they were all disallowed. Imagine having THAT rug yanked out from under you! BW
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My preference is to string them upside down by their shoelaces from a very high tree, and then proceed to play through according to the rules, leaving them for the rest of the round. Heather’s right: at least you were able to catch the thieves and retrieve the merchandise. She wasn’t so lucky. Teresa
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The correct procedure, according to the rules would be as follows: 1. drop all clubs immediately 2. chase kids 3. catch kids 4. throw kids in any nearby hazard – preferably water. 5. repeat as often as necessary At least you saw them! Imagine your surprise if you got up there and never knew what happened! Heather Yesterday some colleges and I played golf. At hole 12, a narrow fairway in the wood, all of us landed our second shot pretty close to each other some 150 meters in front of us. When the last one in the group had made his shot two kids ran in from the wood and stole two of our golf balls. We yelled at them, but they ran off in a hurry. What would be a correct procedure according to the rules in such a situation? Was it correct to drop the ball from where we played our last shot, or could we have dropped from the point where the balls were stolen? PS: we ran into the same kids at hole 15 and got our golf balls back, and hopefully taught them a lesson. Regards, Stig Johansen (novice HCP 27)
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The correct procedure, according to the rules would be as follows: 1. drop all clubs immediately 2. chase kids 3. catch kids 4. throw kids in any nearby hazard – preferably water. 5. repeat as often as necessary At least you saw them! Imagine your surprise if you got up there and never knew what happened! Heather
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yesterday some colleges and I played golf. At hole 12, a narrow fairway in the wood, all of us landed our second shot pretty close to each other some 150 meters in front of us. When the last one in the group had made his shot two kids ran in from the wood and stole two of our golf balls. We yelled at them, but they ran off in a hurry. What would be a correct procedure according to the rules in such a situation? Was it correct to drop the ball from where we played our last shot, or could we have dropped from the point where the balls were stolen? PS: we ran into the same kids at hole 15 and got our golf balls back, and hopefully taught them a lesson. Regards, Stig Johansen (novice HCP 27)
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Yesterday some colleges and I played golf. At hole 12, a narrow fairway in the wood, all of us landed our second shot pretty close to each other some 150 meters in front of us. When the last one in the group had made his shot two kids ran in from the wood and stole two of our golf balls. We yelled at them, but they ran off in a hurry. What would be a correct procedure according to the rules in such a situation? Was it correct to drop the ball from where we played our last shot, or could we have dropped from the point where the balls were stolen? PS: we ran into the same kids at hole 15 and got our golf balls back, and hopefully taught them a lesson. Regards, Stig Johansen (novice HCP 27)
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The children are considered as "outside agencies". The Rule you need to refer to is Rule 18-1. The procedure for a ball that is at rest and is moved by an outside agency is for the player to replace the ball without penalty before he plays a stroke. If the ball that is to be replaced is not immediately recoverable, the player may substitute another ball. If the exact spot is impossible to determine or is not precisely known, the player shall drop the ball at the estimated spot. See Rule 20-2b. Thus, the short answer to your question is to drop the ball at the estimated place where it was stolen. If the spot is precisely known you may replace the ball at that spot or the substituted ball at that spot if the original ball is not immediately recoverable. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yesterday some colleges and I played golf. At hole 12, a narrow fairway in the wood, all of us landed our second shot pretty close to each other some 150 meters in front of us. When the last one in the group had made his shot two kids ran in from the wood and stole two of our golf balls. We yelled at them, but they ran off in a hurry. What would be a correct procedure according to the rules in such a situation? Was it correct to drop the ball from where we played our last shot, or could we have dropped from the point where the balls were stolen? PS: we ran into the same kids at hole 15 and got our golf balls back, and hopefully taught them a lesson. Regards, Stig Johansen (novice HCP 27)