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You forgot one, Kim. Fuckenshit. It refers to the mix of drugs commonly referred to as ‘combo therapy’. Elmo http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile

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Following is a brief glossary of liver disease terms used by physicians and other medical professionals involved in the care of the patient.   Special thanks and credit for much of this information is due to Fred K. Askari, MD, PhD, author of Hepatitis C The Silent Epidemic:  The Authoratitive Guide, from Perseus Books, New York, New York 1999. Abdomen The area below the rib cage and above the legs, which contains the stomach, liver, spleen and bowels. Acute Hepatitis Inflammation in the liver of less than six month’s duration. Common causes include viral hepatitis, drug reactions, autoimmune hepatitis and Wilson’s disease, a disorder of copper metabolism that leads to accumulation of copper in the liver, resulting in liver fibrosis. Albumin A protein or molecule made in the liver that circulates in the blood. Albumin functions to bind other molecules and drugs in the circulation, and also serves a significant function in holding fluid inside blood vessels. If serum albumin levels fall, fluid may seep out of blood vessels into the abdomen. This may lead to ascites (fluid accumulation in the abdomen) or ankle edema (fluid accumulation in the ankles). The serum albumin level is used as a long-term measure of liver synthetic function. Aldactone A diuretic that promotes urination and retention of potassium. This drug is often prescribed in combination with another type of diuretic, furosemide, in the treatment of ascites. Side effects include increased serum potassium levels and breast tenderness. Alpha-1 Antitrypsin Deficiency A genetic disease that affects multiple organs including the liver in 20% of cases. The disease is characterized by the production of defective alpha-1 antitrypsin molecules in the liver, which are improperly exported from liver cells. The accumulation of misfolded alpha-1 antitrypsin molecules in the liver can lead to liver damage and ultimately cirrhosis. The main hallmark of this disease is lung problems, as alpha-1 antitrypsin normally functions to protect the lungs from damage. ALT– (a.k.a. SGPT) A liver enzyme that is measured in the blood. Elevations in this blood value are consistent with hepatitis or inflammation of the liver. Often followed as a marker for response to treatment during a course of therapy for hepatitis C. Antibody A protein made by the immune system that recognizes and binds to a foreign invader or antigen to try to destroy it. Antibodies can be made to fight specific foreign antigens, and their identification in the blood may serve as a marker of prior or ongoing infection. Many diagnostic tests for hepatitis C infection look for antibodies to the hepatitis C virus. Ascites The accumulation of fluid within the abdomen. The presence of ascites is one of the hallmark features of hepatic decompensation. Ascites is often treated with diuretics or paracentesis. AST — (a.k.a. SGOT) A liver enzyme that is measured in the blood. Elevations in this blood value are consistent with hepatitis or inflammation of the liver. Often followed as a marker for response to treatment during a course of therapy for hepatitis C. Autoimmune Hepatitis A form of liver disease in which the body’s own immune system attacks the liver, which leads to liver damage. This disease is diagnosed through liver biopsies and inferred from serum tests of ANA (antinuclear antibody), ASM or antismooth muscle antibody) or LKM (anti-LKM, liver-kidney antibody). This disease often responds to steroid treatment. Biliary Atresia Biliary Atresia begins in early infancy and causes damage to the liver due to the destruction of ducts which carry bile from the liver to the small intestine. Early damage mainly affects the major bile duct outside the liver which is why this disease is also called Extrahepatic Biliary Atresia; later damage mainly affects bile ducts in the liver. Billirubin A breakdown product of hemoglobin, which functions to carry oxygen in blood cells. This is a waste product that is normally eliminated from the body through the liver. As billirubin levels build up in the body, they give the skin and eyes a characteristic yellow color, called jaundice. Long-term marked elevations of billirubin can lead to damage to nerve cells, but this is generally not a problem in patients with liver disease from hepatitis C. Chronic Hepatitis Generally defined as inflammation in the liver of greater than six months’ duration. Causes include drugs, viruses, autoimmune liver disease, hemochromatosis (iron overload) and Wilson’s disease (copper overload). Hepatitis C is the most common cause of chronic hepatitis. Cirrhosis The endpoint of many different kinds of liver disease. It involves extensive fibrosis or scarring over throughout the liver. Cirrhosis is generally felt to be irreversible. Cirrhosis can be broken down into two phases: stable cirrhosis, during which the liver continues to perform its normal functions, and unstable or decompensated cirrhosis, during which the liver is not able to keep up with all of its chores. Consensus Interferon, INFERGEN A brand of interferon manufactured by AMGEN pharmaceutical company. Decompensated Cirrhosis Also referred to as "unstable cirrhosis." Decompensated cirrhosis consists of scarring over of the liver associated with symptoms of ascites, encephalopathy (confusion due to toxins normally cleared by the liver) or variceal bleeding (severe gastro-intestinal bleeding). Liver transplantation should be considered at this time. Diuretics Drugs that promote urination and allow the body to get rid of excess fluid and some salts. Often used to control ascites and accumulation of fluid in the lower extremitieis or edema. Edema Accumulation of fluid in the soft tissues outside of blood vessels, particularly in the legs around the ankles. Severe edema can extend from the ankles and into the abdomen. Encephalopathy Hepatic encephalopathy is mental confusion caused by the buildup of toxic waste products in the body that the liver normally clears. End-Stage Liver Disease (ESLD) The point of no return has been reached in cirrhosis, and decompensated or unstable cirrhosis has set in. At this time liver transplantation may be considered. Symptoms include muscle wasting, fatigue, ascites, encephalopathy or variceal bleeding. Extracorporeal Biliary Lithotripsy In this procedure, doctors find the gallstones using an ultrasound machine and position the patient so the high-energy shock waves focus on the stones. The waves break the gallstones into fragments, which either pass into the intestine or are dissolved with the help of medication. This treatment is performed in an outpatient setting, however, very few centers are available for this technique. Furosemide A diuretic that promotes urination and loss of sodium from the body, which can be beneficial for people with liver diseases, as they frequently have too much sodium in their bodies. Gallstones Gallstones form in the gallbladder when cholesterol or pigments crystallize out of bile. They can vary in size from as small as grains of sand to as large as golf balls. Sometimes gallstones get stuck in the bile ducts causing attacks of severe abdominal pain. The tendency to form gallstones is partially inherited and is more common in people who are obese, overeat or lose weight rapidly through extreme diets. Gilbert’s Syndrome Gilbert’s Syndrome is a fairly common, mild disorder. Hemochromatosis A disease of iron metabolism in which too much iron is absorbed through the gut and deposited in the liver, leading to cirrhosis. Other organs damaged by excess iron include the heart and kidneys. Genetic tests are available for the common mutations causing this disease. It is treated by phlebotomy or bleeding treatments. Hepatitis C (HCV) A liver disease caused by the hepatitis C virus. The virus is transmitted through contaminated blood from other people who have the disease. The infection can be characterized by a prolonged symptom-free period of chronic infection. Progresses to chronic hepatitis in the majority of infections, and may ultimately lead to cirrhosis, liver failure and liver cancer. In technical terms, the virus is a positive stranded RNA virus of the Flavivirdae family. More directly, a microscopic infectious particle consisting of RNA carries the instructions for making more viruses and several proteins, some of which cover the viral RNA molecule like an envelope conceals a letter. Hepatitis C Antibody Includes many different antibodies to a broad range of hepatitis C proteins. The initial test for antibodies usually is a straightforward EIA assay, sometimes referred to as ELISA, in which plates are coated with hepatitis C proteins and blood that reacts with the hepatitis C proteins is developed to change color. Hepatitis C RNA A serum test performed to detect RNA derived from hepatitis C circulating in the bloodstream. Two tests are commonly used – a qualitative test, which detects the presence or absence of hepatitis C RNA, and a generally less sensitive but more quantitative test which assigns a specific numerical value to the quantity of hepatitis C RNA circulating in the blood. Hepatitis C RNA levels are more frequently used to confirm active infection with the virus. Hepatologist A physician who specializes in the treatment of individuals with liver disease. At least one time, everyone with hepatitis C should be under this specialist’s care. HIV Human immunodeficiency virus, the virus that causes AIDS. Many patients with HIV also are infected with hepatitis C. Interferon A naturally occurring class of proteins used to simulate the immune system to fight hepatitis and certain forms of cancer. When used to fight hepatitis C, individual responses to treatment may be divided into three broad categories: (1) sustained responders who rid the virus from their blood and have their serum liver enzymes return to normal even six months after therapy is stopped; (2) … read more »

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Waldron answered: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 20:25:55 -0700, in alt.support.hepatitis-c Michael > Arends <mlare…@NODAMNSPAMearthlink.net> wrote: >>And then TADA, the results of my Liver biopsy, and then the most >>important part I think, when I am to start treatment (Finally) and all >>related details. > Mainly remember that there is no generic experience that’ll predict > how you will react.  I hear horror stories.  I’m well along into the > 4th month and I have yet to miss any work.  For my experience, it > ain’t fun; however, it has been NBD so far. > 12th week numbers due Tuesday.  We’ll see how I feel after those. > W.

Thanks Waldron. See my other latest posts from this morning… —                       ~\|//~                       -(o o)-        __________oOOOo–(_)–oOOOo__________       /            Michael Arends                 |  To Contact me, remove NODAMNSPAM   |       _____________________________________/

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Smiling Wickedly,  Waterspider answered: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Michael Arends" <mlare…@NODAMNSPAMearthlink.net> wrote in … >>Smiling Wickedly,  Waterspider answered: >>>Ask if you’ll be able to play the piano while on treatment (assuming > that >>>you can’t play now). >>>Waterspider >>LOL! ok.. Not sure if thats actually what I was looking for. But what >>the heck. I’m game.  Thanks..   >>Michael > OH NO, DON’T!!! > Quick, read my reply to Suzanne’s post. > Waterspider

Buwahahahaha  Thats OK. I think I got your drift  ;-) —                       ~\|//~                       -(o o)-        __________oOOOo–(_)–oOOOo__________       /            Michael Arends                 |  To Contact me, remove NODAMNSPAM   |       _____________________________________/

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"Paul" <dontspa…@westgreen.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message

news:lch8i0p39li83ahjb93a8e15f5040k37bv@4ax.com… > On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 20:24:17 -0700, "Waterspider" > <waterspi…@spamshine.net>, in message ID > <10i87ifm5rjt…@corp.supernews.com>, in the newsgroup > alt.support.hepatitis-c wrote: > >I’ve met lots > >of docs with perma-grin, but not one with a sense of humour. > My doc was doing the rounds just after my biopsy.  He told me to go > easy on the weight training that afternoon > Paul

You’re right, some do have a sense of humour. I remember coming out of surgery with a stainless steel rod replacing the shattered bone in my forearm and the surgeon saying (deadpan), "You won’t break that one again. You may bend it, but you will not break it." He *was* joking, wasn’t he? Waterspider

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Re: Important Questions for my doctor this Friday   Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Thu, Aug 19, 2004, 8:59pm (CDT-2) From: waterspi…@spamshine.net (Waterspider) "Paul" <dontspa…@westgreen.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message

news:lch8i0p39li83ahjb93a8e15f5040k37bv@4ax.com… On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 20:24:17 -0700, "Waterspider" <waterspi…@spamshine.net>, in message ID <10i87ifm5rjt…@corp.supernews.com>, in the newsgroup alt.support.hepatitis-c wrote:

I’ve met lots of docs with perma-grin, but not one with a sense of humour. My doc was doing the rounds just after my biopsy. He told me to go easy on the weight training that afternoon Paul You’re right, some do have a sense of humour. I remember coming out of surgery with a stainless steel rod replacing the shattered bone in my forearm and the surgeon saying (deadpan), "You won’t break that one again. You may bend it, but you will not break it." He *was* joking, wasn’t he? Waterspider ////////////////// The surgeon that performed my ‘ball’ surgery when my nut exploded and balls swelled to monumental proportion due to infection during my second round of treatment said to me, "You gotta lot of balls to be doing that treatment!", referring to the hcv drugs.   Elmo http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile

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Re: Important Questions for my doctor this Friday   Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Wed, Aug 18, 2004, 6:55pm (CDT-2) From: mlare…@NODAMNSPAMearthlink.net (Michael

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"Jadelee111512" <jadelee111…@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20011221103207.06350.00000636@mb-mq.aol.com… > SEVEN REASONS TO CRAWL UNDER A ROCK (TRUE STORIES)

I howled at #6.

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SEVEN REASONS TO CRAWL UNDER A ROCK (TRUE STORIES) 1. CURL UP AND DIE: I walked into a hair salon with my husband and three kids in tow and asked loudly, "How much do you charge for a shampoo and a blow job?" – Melinda Lowe, 39, Seguin TX 2. PAD PLEASE: An insurance man visited me at home to talk about our mortgage insurance. He was throwing a lot of facts and figures at me, and I wanted to follow as best I could, so I told my 6-year-old son to run and get me a pad. He came back and handed me a Kotex right in front of our guest. – Kate Newman, 46,Winston-Salem, NC 3. HO, HO, HO: I was taking a shower when my 2-year-old son came into the bathroom and wrapped himself in toilet paper. Although he made a mess, he looked adorable, so I ran for my camera and took a few shots. They came out so well that I had copies made and included one with each of our Christmas cards. Days later, a relative called about the picture, laughing hysterically, and suggesting I take a closer look. Puzzled, I stared at the photo and was shocked to discover that in addition to my son, I had captured my reflection in the mirror wearing nothing but a camera! – Name Withheld 4. LADY GOLFER: I was at the golf store comparing different kinds of golf balls. I was unhappy with the women’s type I had been using. After browsing for several minutes, I was approached by one of the good-looking gentlemen who works at the store. He asked if he could help me. Without thinking, looked at him and said, "I think I like playing with men’s balls." Colleen Collins, 31, Ferndale, MI 5. NUTS ABOUT YOU: My sister and I were at the mall and passed by a store that sold a variety of nuts. As we were looking at the display case, the boy behind the counter asked if we needed any help. I replied, "No, I’m just looking at your nuts." My sister started to laugh hysterically, the boy grinned, and I turned beet-red and walked away. To this day, my sister has never let me forget. – Faye Emerick, 34, Ellerslie, MD 6. PRICELESS: A lady picked up several items at a discount store. When she finally got up to the checker, she learned that one of her items had no price tag. Imagine her embarrassment when the checker got on the intercom and boomed out for all the store to hear, "PRICE CHECK ON LANE THIRTEEN, TAMPAX, SUPER SIZE." That was bad enough, but somebody at the rear of the store apparently misunderstood the word "Tampax" for "THUMBTACKS." In a business-like tone, a voice boomed back over the intercom. "DO YOU WANT THE KIND YOU PUSH IN WITH YOUR THUMB OR THE KIND YOU POUND IN WITH A HAMMER?" 7. MOM’S ADVICE: A teacher noticed that a little boy at the back of the class was squirming around, scratching his crotch and not paying attention. She went back to find out what was going on. He was quite embarrassed and whispered that he had just recently been circumcised and he was quite itchy. The teacher told him to go down to the principal’s office. He was to phone his mother and ask her what he should do about it. He did it and returned to his class. Suddenly, there was a commotion at the back of the room. She went back to investigate only to find him sitting at his desk with his penis hanging out. "I thought I told you to call your mom." She screamed. "I did," He said, "And she told me that if I could stick it out till noon, she’d come and pick me up from school."

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"m.L." <m…@icky.spam.com> wrote in message

news:pZUNc.1122$go.1091@fed1read07… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> A man and a woman, who have never met before, find themselves assigned to the > same sleeping room on a transcontinental train. > Though initially embarrassed and uneasy over sharing a room, the two are tired > and fall asleep quickly…he in the upper bunk and she in the lower. > At 1:00 AM, he leans over the side and gently wakes the woman saying, "Ma’am, > I’m sorry to bother you, but would you be willing to reach into the closet to > get me a second blanket? I’m awfully cold." > "I have a better idea," she replies. "Just for tonight, let’s pretend that > we’re married." > "Wow! That’s a great idea!!" he exclaims. > "Good," she replies. "Get your own darn blanket!" > After a moment of silence, he farted.

lol Not bad… Tai

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A man and a woman, who have never met before, find themselves assigned to the same sleeping room on a transcontinental train. Though initially embarrassed and uneasy over sharing a room, the two are tired and fall asleep quickly…he in the upper bunk and she in the lower. At 1:00 AM, he leans over the side and gently wakes the woman saying, "Ma’am, I’m sorry to bother you, but would you be willing to reach into the closet to get me a second blanket? I’m awfully cold." "I have a better idea," she replies. "Just for tonight, let’s pretend that we’re married." "Wow! That’s a great idea!!" he exclaims. "Good," she replies. "Get your own darn blanket!" After a moment of silence, he farted.

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In article <40FBA5D7.8D7B4…@execulink.com>, J <Aco…@privacy.net> wrote: > ???????? > J wrote: > > http://www.skincell.org/hidradenitis_suppurativa.shtml > > Hidradenitis Suppurativa > > Hidradenitis Suppurativa (HS) is an uncommon chronic inflammatory skin > > condition. > > It effects inverse areas of the body, top of inner thighs, bottom, > > genitals, armpits, under the breasts in women and less commonly the > > stomach, hair line and behind the ears.

I have very mild HS; I find that washing the affected parts with medicinal green soap helps quite a bit. Every now and then I need to have a lesion sewn open and a bunch of antibioitics. — "Did Father shoot him? I will eat Grandfather for dinner." – Helen Keller, on learning of the death of her grandfather

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I live in South Africa. Was only correctly diagnosed wit HS a few months ago. It developed slowly over years, and only since beginning off this year got worse, specially in the groin area, making it touch to sit some days. I was on antibiotics a few months but didnt help.  I am still trying to find the right treatment. I use a local aenesthetic some days when it is real sore. Life have to go on .. worlk etc. I am a computer programmer, so I do sit most of the time. Good luck all with all our pains and suffereing, find some happiness in between Luv Louis "J" <Aco…@privacy.net> wrote in message

news:40FBA58A.13870A4@execulink.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> http://www.skincell.org/hidradenitis_suppurativa.shtml > Hidradenitis Suppurativa > Hidradenitis Suppurativa (HS) is an uncommon chronic inflammatory skin > condition. > It effects inverse areas of the body, top of inner thighs, bottom, > genitals, armpits, under the breasts in women and less commonly the > stomach, hair line and behind the ears. > The symptoms of Hidradenitis Suppurativa vary greatly, it can be as > slight as black heads and pimples or as serious as large draining > lesions, growing to the size of golf balls. > It has been suggested that HS may not be as rare as believed, but that > people are hesitant to come forward through shame and embarrassment. > Also the figures are low through lack of accurate diagnosis. > Very little research has been done into Hidradenitis Suppurativa. It is > known as an ‘orphan’ illness, which means, because it is considered rare > there are no pharmaceutical companies that have taken up the challenge > to find a decent treatment or cure. What we do know however, is that it > is caused by the tendency of the appocrine hair follicle to become > blocked. The question now is why? > HS has been linked with auto immune disorders, it also has been found to > have a genetic link. HS is more common in women, and seems to be > effected by the hormones, although no exact pattern has emerged. As with > many skin disorders, HS symptoms are increased by stress. > The three clinical stages of Hidradenitis Suppurativa : > Stage 1: Single or multiple abscesses form, without sinus tracts and > cicatrization (scar formation) > Stage 2: Recurrent abscesses form, with tract formation and > cicatrization. There may be single or multiple widely separated lesions. > Stage 3: Diffuse or near-diffuse involvement or multiple interconnected > tracts and abscesses are observed across the entire area > It has been reported that as many as 80% of HS sufferers are diagnosed > as clinically depressed. Depression is common amongst people who have to > live in chronic pain. It can be treated with medication, but to cure the > depression completely the reason for the depression must be removed. As > there is no known cure for HS, this is not possible. > Diagnosis of Hidradenitis Suppurativa > If you have more than three boils in any one year, you should visit your > Medical Practitioner. > Boils can be a symptom of many illnesses and your doctor should test you > for these. The diagnosis of Hidradenitis Suppurativa generally comes > from the dermatologist, and is made from observing the areas where the > boil-like lesion are, and the common presence of black heads and > scarring. > It is easily diagnosed if the dermatologist is familiar with the skin > disorder. > Medical Treatments for Hidradenitis Suppurativa > There is not a single treatment that has been developed specifically for > Hidradenitis. Therefore active involvement in choosing treatment and > research is advisable. What may work for one patient, may be detrimental > to another. > Although HS is not Acne, the symptoms are sometimes similar and > Dermatologists are keen to suggest Acne treatments, which have been > proved to be ill-effective. > Here is a list of the current treatments that may be offered to HS > patients: > Antibiotics, (commonly tetracyclines) long term as a preventive measure, > and short term (typically Ciprofloxicillin) for secondary infections. > Many of these antibiotics react badly with sunlight and alcohol, and can > cause nausea and bowel problems. > High-dose systemic steroids for their inflammatory effect. > Birth control Pills, as a measure to balance hormones. > Retinoids have been used with limited results. > Surgical treatments for Hidradenitis Suppurativa > Stage 1: May need incision and drainage > Stage 2: recurring lesions can be surgically removed along with any > connecting tracts. Secondary healing is found to be most effective. > There is a 50% chance of reoccurrence. > Stage 3: As the disease progresses, skin grafts and plastic surgery may > be needed because of poor healing. > Radiotherapy is a treatment that is starting to be used again for HS. > A recent study by Frochlich et al in Germany reported complete relief in > 38% of patients, 40% dramatically improved and 2% had no effect. There > were no reported complications, associated with the radiation.

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???????? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -J wrote: > http://www.skincell.org/hidradenitis_suppurativa.shtml > Hidradenitis Suppurativa > Hidradenitis Suppurativa (HS) is an uncommon chronic inflammatory skin > condition. > It effects inverse areas of the body, top of inner thighs, bottom, > genitals, armpits, under the breasts in women and less commonly the > stomach, hair line and behind the ears.

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WOW Thank you I think you are on to something for me. I am taking this to my derm appt! THank you again sounds like what is possibly happening? Not jumping ahead of course but made me think… Warmly, Nicole C. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -J <Aco…@privacy.net> wrote in message <news:40FBA58A.13870A4@execulink.com>… > http://www.skincell.org/hidradenitis_suppurativa.shtml > Hidradenitis Suppurativa > Hidradenitis Suppurativa (HS) is an uncommon chronic inflammatory skin > condition. > It effects inverse areas of the body, top of inner thighs, bottom, > genitals, armpits, under the breasts in women and less commonly the > stomach, hair line and behind the ears. > The symptoms of Hidradenitis Suppurativa vary greatly, it can be as > slight as black heads and pimples or as serious as large draining > lesions, growing to the size of golf balls. > It has been suggested that HS may not be as rare as believed, but that > people are hesitant to come forward through shame and embarrassment. > Also the figures are low through lack of accurate diagnosis. > Very little research has been done into Hidradenitis Suppurativa. It is > known as an ‘orphan’ illness, which means, because it is considered rare > there are no pharmaceutical companies that have taken up the challenge > to find a decent treatment or cure. What we do know however, is that it > is caused by the tendency of the appocrine hair follicle to become > blocked. The question now is why? > HS has been linked with auto immune disorders, it also has been found to > have a genetic link. HS is more common in women, and seems to be > effected by the hormones, although no exact pattern has emerged. As with > many skin disorders, HS symptoms are increased by stress. > The three clinical stages of Hidradenitis Suppurativa : > Stage 1: Single or multiple abscesses form, without sinus tracts and > cicatrization (scar formation) > Stage 2: Recurrent abscesses form, with tract formation and > cicatrization. There may be single or multiple widely separated lesions. > Stage 3: Diffuse or near-diffuse involvement or multiple interconnected > tracts and abscesses are observed across the entire area > It has been reported that as many as 80% of HS sufferers are diagnosed > as clinically depressed. Depression is common amongst people who have to > live in chronic pain. It can be treated with medication, but to cure the > depression completely the reason for the depression must be removed. As > there is no known cure for HS, this is not possible. > Diagnosis of Hidradenitis Suppurativa > If you have more than three boils in any one year, you should visit your > Medical Practitioner. > Boils can be a symptom of many illnesses and your doctor should test you > for these. The diagnosis of Hidradenitis Suppurativa generally comes > from the dermatologist, and is made from observing the areas where the > boil-like lesion are, and the common presence of black heads and > scarring. > It is easily diagnosed if the dermatologist is familiar with the skin > disorder. > Medical Treatments for Hidradenitis Suppurativa > There is not a single treatment that has been developed specifically for > Hidradenitis. Therefore active involvement in choosing treatment and > research is advisable. What may work for one patient, may be detrimental > to another. > Although HS is not Acne, the symptoms are sometimes similar and > Dermatologists are keen to suggest Acne treatments, which have been > proved to be ill-effective. > Here is a list of the current treatments that may be offered to HS > patients: > Antibiotics, (commonly tetracyclines) long term as a preventive measure, > and short term (typically Ciprofloxicillin) for secondary infections. > Many of these antibiotics react badly with sunlight and alcohol, and can > cause nausea and bowel problems. > High-dose systemic steroids for their inflammatory effect. > Birth control Pills, as a measure to balance hormones. > Retinoids have been used with limited results. > Surgical treatments for Hidradenitis Suppurativa > Stage 1: May need incision and drainage > Stage 2: recurring lesions can be surgically removed along with any > connecting tracts. Secondary healing is found to be most effective. > There is a 50% chance of reoccurrence. > Stage 3: As the disease progresses, skin grafts and plastic surgery may > be needed because of poor healing. > Radiotherapy is a treatment that is starting to be used again for HS. > A recent study by Frochlich et al in Germany reported complete relief in > 38% of patients, 40% dramatically improved and 2% had no effect. There > were no reported complications, associated with the radiation.

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Roos Siska, Thanks for telling me about all the woofchat posts in the nineties. I came across the FAQ and realise I’ve an awful lot to learn. Daddy will have to teach me. I wonder if, when I get things right I’ll get T-R-E-A-T-S. You see, I know what hoomins are saying and trying to hide the meaning by spelling it. I also know B-I-S-C-U-I-T and W-A-L-K. Even if the hoomins in England said cookies instead of biscuits I’d know because I’ve been woofchatting to you doggies in America. He-he. I now know that the other day I was breaking the Woofchat Etiquette by saying b*th with all four letters. Sorry. I saw the list of doggy clubs. Which one do you think I should join? Is the WOOFCHAT registration still being maintained by Lynn Ramich? I’d hate to think I’ve been woofchatting illegally because I am not registered. Can you tell me more about the UDRR? It sounds an interesting way to get away from interfering hoomins. Got to go now because Daddy says he is going to backup the pooter. I don’t know what that means, is it something to do with shouting and pushing it backwards towards the wall when it goes wrong? Anyway, Daddy says that if the pooter does go wrong and I loose all my woofchat posts I can get them back by restoring them. All funny hoomin talk! Lick, lick, Ziska.

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Roos Ziska. I would recommend BHE (Bed Hogs International – I am vice-prezidoggy (preen)), Red Trash Dogs, poop-Eaters Division ( I also luv horse poop- you don’t hafta be red) , International FluffE Dog (for those of us slightly plump), and finally Fleasy Rider, if you like to ride wif Daddy in the metal cage thingie. I am very sensitive to momy’s voice. Sumtimes she squeals loudly, and I run outside to the OUT. My dady never squeals- I heard dady say momy is "low on patience" once. I don’t know what that means. Lynn Ramich doesn’t hafta put your name on the list, I don’t think. Me and momy haven’t woofed in a couple of years. What happened wuz ugly trolls who wrote mean things invaded Woofchat, and the list went  underground. We stayed above ground, so I haven’t woofed in a while. I’m used to being out of it , though. Do you know what happened the first time I ever posted to Woofchat? Momy made a misteak, and there was no message text, and sumbody wrote , "Is Siska a basenji?". Humf. Siska berian husky wif a lovely voice

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<whew! We’re glad to see Siska and Ziska woofing. We were afraid the story of how one of our kitties accidentally went to the Bridge scared all the doggies away. We love our kitties, well our kitty, as long as they’re inside. We didn’t know how to act when there was one in our Out.   They are supposed to stay inside. Then we can lick them and make them do that happy-grr noise. NellienellieNELLIE of the cooblyden

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Hi to the Doggies of The Cooblyden, RoooOOOooo Caspar, Rooroo Figgy, Harf! Harf! Floydie, Rumrum Gracie, Bauoo Nellie. It’s nice to know you’ve got a kitty at the Cooblyden. My Daddy says he would like to have a kitty but Mummy says she doesn’t like cccccats. If Gracie is the Queen who is the King? Is it Caspar? The majestic RooOOOooo of his sounds very imperial. What about princes and princesses? Mummy says I am her Princess. She also calls me Baby. When I’m having a snooze she suddenly shouts, "Where’s my baby?" So I have to get up, go to her, sit in front of her and look cute. It’s a real nuisance but you have to humour these hoomins, don’t you. Especially when she’s the Alpha female. The Funfair is still in the park so the last couple of days Daddy has taken me to the big woods where I can run through the undergrowth and dig into rabbit holes. Daddy says I should be careful running through the scrubs and bushes because that was how Charlie, who is at the Bridge now, got mange. TED said the mange bug got onto the bushes from foxes and then rubbed onto Charlie. I didn’t know Charlie and I can’t think what he must have looked like when he went bald. A bald German Shepherd, he must have looked horrible. But Daddy says he got better and grew all his fur again. Got to go now, Hug, hug, Ziska.

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Ziska woofed, If Gracie is the Queen who is the King?

Figgy is the king. MomnDad say they have to remind him that hoomins are alpha, whatever that means. So he hasta do DOWN a lot. I am the Queen because I rule. I found out I was Queen one day when Mom and I took one of our special trips where I don’t have to share her with anyone, and I get to make the hoomin in the middle of the ring, called a judge, come and pat me and give Mom ribbons. This trip, there was a interloper! Not only did she try to steal my ttenshuns, and make me share my Mom, but she had the gall to steal my name! It was "good girl Gracie, Gracie no, get in your cratie Gracie, Gracie gofurawalk?" Til my booful head was spinning. So I kept making a face at her, and on the third day, she went away! I did it! Now I make that face at anydoggie who wants to steal mymyMY ttentions. It’s not a snarl – it’s my Queen face. That’s not what Mom calls it, though. She said, "Now I know how a certain kind of woman came to be called a bitch." Hoomins!       (Gracie Too was a rescue girl I took to Kentucky, on the first leg of her trip to her forever home in Maryland. – Mom) Is it Caspar? The majestic RooOOOooo of his sounds very imperial.

Caspar is the Ambassador. He tells all the fosterdoggies that there are no bad, hurty hoomins here. And Mom says he is a Dip Low Mat, because he avoids fights and stays neutral. And he is a cooney, and doesn’t bark like me. RooOOOooo is his normal bark. What about princes and princesses?

I guess Floydie is a prince and Nellie must be a princess. But I am the Queen. I don’t care what Nellie says. Mummy says I am her Princess. She also calls me Baby. When I’m having a snooze she suddenly shouts, "Where’s my baby?" So I have to get up, go to her, sit in front of her and look cute. It’s a real nuisance but you have to humour these hoomins, don’t you.

You said it! My Mom calls me Sweetiegirl, and her liiiittle, liiittle Groo, and her Grooleygirl, and the Belly Rub Slut. When I’m snoozin, she says, "Where’s my little Gracie?" The Funfair is still in the park so the last couple of days Daddy has taken me to the big woods where I can run through the undergrowth and dig into rabbit holes.

That sounds like almost as much fun as going to the barn to hunt mousies! I love digging! Daddy says I should be careful running through the scrubs and bushes because that was how Charlie, who is at the Bridge now, got mange.

I suppose Moms and Dads know best. But I haven’t been to the barn since one of my eyes stopped working. Mom says I can’t play in the hay because my eye has no "blink reflex," whatever that is. Once something jabbed it and I got to have Eyemedsin 6 times a day! Eyemedsin is good! I get to put my paws in Mom’s lap, right at the "go lie down while we’re eating"   place, and she drips something in my eye, and gives me a T*R*E*A*T!!! Then she does it again! And again! The rest of the time, if I put my paws in her lap when she sits there, it’s "GracieOFF!" So Eyemedsin is Good! And I heard the PLV tell Mom I had to get it the rest of my life!! Isn’t that Great? It’s so my other retna doesn’t detatch. More silly hoominwurds. licks and paw-pokes – but don’t you dare get too near mymyMY Mom’s lap, or I’ll make my Queen face at you! Gracie, Queen of the cooblyden Collie-rado, USA alowan art earthlink dort net

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Hi! Mi namez Puck and I have the baddest breath in town.  If anyone wants to challenge me to a bad breth contest, I bet Ill win. Im really gud at eatin garbage – I havent met garbage yet I havent liked, and no matters how sealed off they are, I can still brak into ‘em.   Mom feedz me peppermintz to make my breath better, but it duzn’t work for long.  She wants to teach me to brush my teeth. I think she goz tu far here. Besides duzn’t she know havin bad breath is cool for a dog. See ya, Puck

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I know what you mean, Puck.  My mommie fed me those charcoal biscuits to control my breath (what’s wrong with strong odors, anway?) but they taste yucky and I spat it out.  She was mad but I gave her the puppyears and she laughed. Hobbes

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HI Everydoggie I found my Wink*wink frend. CHESSA says she luffs me!!!! HAPPYHAPPYHAPPY dance. Brandy Chessa’s Wink*wink frend Drive Thru Doggie ‘Dopted Doggie

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HI Everydoggie I found my Wink*wink frend. CHESSA says she luffs me!!!!

CONGRATULATIONS! ReBel the Chowser Hellion’s wink*wink

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| Hey Everydoggie | | Were are you. I think everyone forgot me. I saw a list of ‘Dopted Doggies and I | used to be on it – now I don’t see me on there anymore. | | No one has replied to my post or emailed me in a long time. Did I get some doggie | mad at me? | | | | Brandy | | Lonely doggie | | | Oh, no!  Quick!  Everydoggie send Brandy a woof | and tell him we like him lotsandlots.   | | Brandy, we like you a lot.  You didn’t do | any BADDOG thing at all.  My place on | ‘Dopted Dogs moved, too, but I think it | is ‘cuz there are so many of us now. | The list is maintained by a hoomin, I think. | So, since it’s a hoomin, we hafta make | ‘llowances. | | I am your good friend.  Specially if you | want my stoopid sister chessa for a | *wink,wink* friend! | | Siggie | | | | | | Hi Siggie ` Thanks, I sent you e-mail. Brandy

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Hey Everydoggie Were are you. I think everyone forgot me. I saw a list of ‘Dopted Doggies and I used to be on it – now I don’t see me on there anymore.

Yes you are Brandy, I didn’t take you off the list.  You are a forever Dopted Dog (every Dopted Dog is!  I’ll go check the list and if my stoopid bigpaws accidentally took your name away I’ll put it right back.  I could never take away the name of somedoggie whose mommy werks for the same werk that my Daddy does,no way. No one has replied to my post or emailed me in a long time. Did I get some doggie mad at me? Lonely doggie

I’m not mad at you, and I don’t think any other doggie is either.  You’re a Gooddog. Brandy, we like you a lot.  You didn’t do any BADDOG thing at all.   My place on ‘Dopted Dogs moved, too, but I think it is ‘cuz there are so many of us now. The list is maintained by a hoomin, I think.  So, since it’s a hoomin, we hafta make ‘llowances.

Harrumph!! I werk my little paws to the quick typing out the very crowded Dopted Dog list and you call me a hoomin??!!  BADSiggie.  Sheesh… you and I were the first Dopted Dogs and you ferget me.  To be honest, Mommy helps me sometimes wif the list, like when I rea…reurra…uh, made the list fit in less lines.  Hey, Maybe it IS Mommy’s fault that Brandy couldn’t find his name <Oops-No, Mommy, I’m not sayin you’re stoopid, not me Mommy, No, don’t take the T*R*E*A*T container away, nooooooo.   Gotta go suck up to Mommy wif my sad puppy eyes.  Bye! Brillig, Dopted Dobrador and KEEPER of the Dopted Dog List

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Hey Everydoggie Were are you. I think everyone forgot me. I saw a list of ‘Dopted Doggies and I used to be on it – now I don’t see me on there anymore. No one has replied to my post or emailed me in a long time. Did I get some doggie mad at me? Brandy Lonely doggie

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Hey Everydoggie Were are you. I think everyone forgot me. I saw a list of ‘Dopted Doggies and I used to be on it – now I don’t see me on there anymore. No one has replied to my post or emailed me in a long time. Did I get some doggie mad at me? Brandy Lonely doggie

Oh, no!  Quick!  Everydoggie send Brandy a woof and tell him we like him lotsandlots.   Brandy, we like you a lot.  You didn’t do any BADDOG thing at all.  My place on ‘Dopted Dogs moved, too, but I think it is ‘cuz there are so many of us now. The list is maintained by a hoomin, I think. So, since it’s a hoomin, we hafta make ‘llowances. I am your good friend.  Specially if you want my stoopid sister chessa for a *wink,wink* friend! Siggie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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: If you have a tail, that is. Mom says that I have a tail that’s only a : ninchlong. What’s that? I guess I’ll have to do puppy ears for her until : she explains. It means you have a petite little tail, not a big long waggy tail you can knock stuff off the table with. Molly, Queen of the Speckledogs, President of Everything, and Daddy’s Favorite

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Oh, and wag that tail even if every thing on the table comes crashing

down. If you have a tail, that is. Mom says that I have a tail that’s only a ninchlong. What’s that? I guess I’ll have to do puppy ears for her until she explains.                      **    Katie with an E    **                true and rightful Princess of Everything        beyootiful lady cocker, chipmunk digger, drive-thru dog

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Perry, T*R*E*A*T*S -and- birdiebirdiebirdies? Sounds very tempting.  Let me check my Fidofax…                      **    Katie with an E    **                true and rightful Princess of Everything        beyootiful lady cocker, chipmunk digger, drive-thru dog

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Thanks, dear sweet Katie with an E, for telling me how to make puppy ears.  Tilting the head is a nice touch. BTW, do you think you could come for a weekend and DEMONSTRATE how you do it?  We could have lots of fun, and my mom has great T*R*E*A*T*S.  There are lots of birdiebirdiebirdiebirdies that visit my yard.  I chase them away, but for you, dear sweet Katie with an E, I’ll let you catch them. Perry

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: Hi everydoggie.  Hobbes here. : I am locked up in my room because mommie said I was BAD.  I was just : playing around in the kitchen.  Mommie was cooking so I tried it too.  I : stood up on my little hindpaws and used my frontpaws to : SCRATCH,scratch,scratch.  Then the round burner things became really : bright.  I BARKED,barked,barked to let mommie see this wonderful bright : thing but she got mad.  She said BAD,bad,bad, get away from the burner. : Then she yelled at daddie– your dum mutt (wha’ts a mutt?) turned on the : stove!  Then daddie came and said BAD DOG and locked me up. : I was just trying to help. : : Hobbes the cocker spaniel  Poor you!! I think mutt means baddog or something. People say I’m a dumb mutt sometimes too. Do you cry when your locked up? I do then suckermom feels sorry for me and lets me out. if your still in your room all by yourself let out some pathetic whimpers, that might get them. If not bark like you did when you were a puppy- you know real high pitched and pathetic. Make it sound like you are so lonely and have to get out or you will just die of lonliness. If that doesn’t work I don’t know what will. Nene- the little dog —  Karen Rothstein                                                              

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Hobbes asked: : Then she yelled at daddie– your dum mutt (wha’ts a mutt?) turned on the Hi Hobbes Im Molly! Mutt’s a funny word. Sometimes it means a doggy whose dogmom and dogdad weren’t the same breed. Sometimes it means BADDOG. Sometimes it means cute silly gooddog. I think your Mommy meant baddog when she said it. Im sorry you got in trouble. My sister and me are Coonhounds but Mommy calls my sister a silly Spaniel. hoomins are weird sometimes.

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Hobbes, that’s AWFUL!  How can they call you names, just because you are being helpful?  That is BADmommy and BADdaddy.  You should explain that you just meant to help cook.  Maybe they will get you a stove of your own. If they don’t, see if you can find the things called "matches."  Sometimes when you chew on these just right, you can light a fire anyway. But then, if all else fails, just forget about cooking.  Most of the hoomin food tastes better raw, anyway.  Just eat and enjoy it! MollyanQue     |   that’s  Cinderbin Neg’s Molly Malone  CD CGC  ("Molly")   |     |     and   Fireside’s Que Continuum  CGC          ("Que")    |     |  both of us are Flat-Coated Trievers (and champion chewers) |     |  and both of us are "Pet Partners" with the Delta Society   |

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I was just trying to help.

Oh Hobbes, Some Hoomins just don’t realize that genius cockers such as we are just trying to make their lives easier. Can you make with the puppy ears? That always gets my SuckerMom. Or later, when your Dad and Mom are sitting in their chairs, snuggle up to their legs real tight. Get between them if you can. THEN do puppy ears. Works for me!                      **    Katie with an E    **                true and rightful Princess of Everything        beyootiful lady cocker, chipmunk digger, drive-thru dog

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Katie with an E, Oh gosh!  Oh doG!  I forgot "with an E" in my last post to you.  Will you forgive me, sweet Katie with an E? Perry

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Katie, What means doing the puppy ears?  Do you have to have longears to do it? Do you think a golden ‘treiver could do it?  Can you teach me?  I need all the tricks I can get, because sometimes my mom doesn’t have much sympathy for us poor downtrodden gooddogs. Perry

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Katie with an E, Oh gosh!  Oh doG!  I forgot "with an E" in my last post to you.  Will you forgive me, sweet Katie with an E? Perry

Yes, I will, since you’re so gallant in asking. Waggas. Just for the benefit of those who recently joined us, I am "Katie with an E" in order to be easily distinguished from Kati the akita, who has no E.                      **    Katie with an E    **                true and rightful Princess of Everything        beyootiful lady cocker, chipmunk digger, drive-thru dog

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Thanks for the advice, Katie with an E, and Nene and everyone else. I made the puppy ears, complete with a cocked head.  And CRY, cry, cry. Then suckermom and suckerdad came and they did let me out.  Hey guys, it worked! Thanks for all your help! Hobbes P.S.  Have you ever eaten crayons?  They make poop more colorful and gives mommie and daddie such a fright.  Heehee.  or rather, yip, yip.

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Have you ever eaten crayons?  They make poop more colorful

Sounds interesting! Now if I can only find some crayons…                      **    Katie with an E    **                true and rightful Princess of Everything        beyootiful lady cocker, chipmunk digger, drive-thru dog

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: Thanks for the advice, Katie with an E, and Nene and everyone else. : I made the puppy ears, complete with a cocked head.  And CRY, cry, cry. : Then suckermom and suckerdad came and they did let me out.  Hey guys, it : worked! : Thanks for all your help! : Hobbes : P.S.  Have you ever eaten crayons?  They make poop more colorful and gives : mommie and daddie such a fright.  Heehee.  or rather, yip, yip.  I’ve never eaten crayons but I eat flies!!! they are fun to catch and it annoys mom when I pounce on them and have my snacks. I scared mom once too when I ate these pretty mushrooms in the funyard. she called the TED and then mom made me throw up. I like them though and I eat them when they come up and badmom hasn’t seen them to pull out. The bad TED must have given me something strong though ’cause I always throw up when I eat them. When mom sees me she gets so scared and I get many many baddogs. Well mom is kicking me off the ‘pooter ’cause she has to work. Nene- —  Karen Rothstein                                                              

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Dear, sweet Katie with an E, Please, can you tell me how to make puppy ears?  I need help.  Mom’s getting imoon to the sad brown eyes trick. Perry

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I tried eating flies once, too but they taste funny — something about the stuff mommie sprays in the air to keep these little goodies away. Did you know that if you chew the funny long cords you get a shock?  Stay away from pooter cords! Hobbes.

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Woofchat is on Tuesdays at what time?  Worf won’t let me log out until I find out for him! Sarah G., mama to Worf

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Dear, sweet Katie with an E, Please, can you tell me how to make puppy ears?  I need help.  Mom’s getting imoon to the sad brown eyes trick.

I thought I did, but you know this aol place… Just perk your ears up, then swivel them forward so they frame your face and point out the sad brown eyes. Tilting your head is good too. Remember to look extra extra innocent. Works every time!                      **    Katie with an E    **                true and rightful Princess of Everything        beyootiful lady cocker, chipmunk digger, drive-thru dog

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Dear, sweet Katie with an E, Please, can you tell me how to make puppy ears?  I need help.  Mom’s getting imoon to the sad brown eyes trick. I thought I did, but you know this aol place… Just perk your ears up, then swivel them forward so they frame your face and point out the sad brown eyes. Tilting your head is good too. Remember to look extra extra innocent. Works every time!

It helps if you tilt your head to the side and accent all the wrinkles in your face, almost a frown.  Then Mama thinks you are really listening to her and trying to understand.  Then open your mouf and pant a little, drawing your ears back.  Mama calls this a smile. Oh, and wag that tail even if every thing on the table comes crashing down. — Sara, the shy mastiff,GoA President of the Big Heads Club of America Our motto: We are blockheads! hoomins, please, don’t look me in the eyes, but you can pat me if you are very gentle — Jennifer in California where it was a cool 82 F (28 C) yesterday the first woman God ever made was strong enough to turn the world upside down all alone – Sojourner Truth, 1851 You can do it, too.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi everydoggie.  Hobbes here. I am locked up in my room because mommie said I was BAD.  I was just playing around in the kitchen.  Mommie was cooking so I tried it too.  I stood up on my little hindpaws and used my frontpaws to SCRATCH,scratch,scratch.  Then the round burner things became really bright.  I BARKED,barked,barked to let mommie see this wonderful bright thing but she got mad.  She said BAD,bad,bad, get away from the burner. Then she yelled at daddie– your dum mutt (wha’ts a mutt?) turned on the stove!  Then daddie came and said BAD DOG and locked me up. I was just trying to help. Hobbes the cocker spaniel

I know you were LICKLICKLICK. but you momie was right I did that and almost burned my beautiful black Burner nose. It was sore but no damage done. I dod’t do that now. it was HOT. momie says she was happy we didn’t have gas or there would be some real damage. she had a cat that stuck its nose in a candle flame and cought its face on fire. Crusader, The Bernese Mt. Dog in Austin TX CGC — The attitude of unhappinesses is not only painful, it is mean and ugly

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oh gawd, ANOTHER damned liar advocating CRANK science. I mean, even the greenhouse gas loons who CLAIM to be scientist aren’t backing THIS particular line of BULLSHIT, because it’s just too damn stupid. So the Alaska Daily News and the team of expert scientists are BOTH part of a commie conspiracy, gosh, who’da thunk it! Don’t forget that this is the same kook who peddles an article claiming proof of runaway CO2 levels based on sampling from atop Mauna Loa, an active volcano… :O| Dang, that Associated Press is ALSO part of the commie conspiracy? Dang, who’d have thought! It gets better…the hysterically ultra-right-wing News Max, ALSO ran the story… http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/3/21/170709.shtml from the associated press…yes this two mile high volcano is isolated from CO2..

Bullshit. CO2 migrates upward from fissures created when magma rises below the surface. In fact, elevated levels of CO2 have been killing off trees in the Mammoth Lakes area due to depriving roots of O2 and nutrients: Invisible CO2 Gas Killing Trees at Mammoth Mountain, California Since 1980, scientists have monitored geologic unrest in Long Valley Caldera and at adjacent Mammoth Mountain, California. After a persistent swarm of earthquakes beneath Mammoth Mountain in 1989, earth scientists discovered that large volumes of carbon dioxide (CO2) gas were seeping from beneath this volcano. This gas is killing trees on the mountain and also can be a danger to people. The USGS continues to study the CO2 emissions to help protect the public from this invisible potential hazard. Mammoth Mountain is a young volcano on the southwestern rim of Long Valley Caldera, a large volcanic depression in eastern California. The Long Valley area, well known for its superb skiing, hiking, and camping, has been volcanically active for about 4 million years. The most recent volcanic eruptions in the region occurred about 200 years ago, and earthquakes frequently shake the area. Because of this, the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS) operates an extensive network of instruments to monitor the continuing unrest in the Long Valley area. Numerous small earthquakes occurred beneath Mammoth Mountain from May to November 1989. Data collected from monitoring instruments during those months indicated that a small body of magma (molten rock) was rising through a fissure beneath the mountain. In the following year, U.S. Forest Service rangers noticed areas of dead and dying trees on the mountain. After drought and insect infestations were eliminated as causes, a geologic explanation was suspected. USGS scientists then made measurements and discovered that the roots of the trees are being killed by exceptionally high concentrations of CO2 gas in the soil. Today areas of dead and dying trees at Mammoth Mountain total more than 100 acres. The town of Mammoth Lakes, just east of this volcano, has not been affected. http://quake.wr.usgs.gov/prepare/factsheets/CO2/ In addition, I never said anything about a "commie plot" – I was referring to the idea that all the CO2 measured at Mauna Loa could only come from atmospheric conditions, which is clearly questionable. (rest of blather snipped…)

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Oh gawd, ANOTHER damned liar advocating CRANK science. I mean, even the greenhouse gas loons who CLAIM to be scientist aren’t backing THIS particular line of BULLSHIT, because it’s just too damn stupid.

Don’t forget that this is the same kook who peddles an article claiming proof of runaway CO2 levels based on sampling from atop Mauna Loa, an active volcano… :O|

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Oh gawd, ANOTHER damned liar advocating CRANK science. I mean, even the greenhouse gas loons who CLAIM to be scientist aren’t backing THIS particular line of BULLSHIT, because it’s just too damn stupid.

So the Alaska Daily News and the team of expert scientists are BOTH part of a commie conspiracy, gosh, who’da thunk it! Don’t forget that this is the same kook who peddles an article claiming proof of runaway CO2 levels based on sampling from atop Mauna Loa, an active volcano… :O|

Dang, that Associated Press is ALSO part of the commie conspiracy? Dang, who’d have thought! It gets better…the hysterically ultra-right-wing News Max, ALSO ran the story… http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/3/21/170709.shtml from the associated press…yes this two mile high volcano is isolated from CO2..yes, that’s what the United States of America uses as among its main reading stations…a retraction and admission of error from you I imagine is forthcoming.. but being ultra right wing means never having to say you’re sorry (these nuts not long ago used to say there was no such thing as a greenhouse effect (which any high school science book will tell you why our planet isn’t freezing cold) much less a higher fossil fuel based one)…so we don’t hold our breath. If you do want to be taken seriously in the future, acknowledge you were mistaken here, not only the sources are legitimate but  scienficitally this IS the observatory the U.S. of A. uses and whose measurements are accurate…if you won’t ackknowledge when caught red handed, we’ll parade this past example every time you don’t like the message and try a clumsy "shoot the messenger" post about the "commie" scientific fact. P.S.  to readers: the ultra-right wing in the US is the most communist in the world. These bastards would turn into Stalinist leaders on a DIME. Just like the communist SOBs turned (almost overnight) into Capitalist ones because the two systems are (at deeper levels) so similar…we are alreayd not far from communist, really Corporate Socialism or Corporate Communism we already more or less have…the real policies of these "pro-market" Repugs and most mainstream democracy are anti-market, anti-cometition, but for central planning by giagantic Planned Economies (corporations, whose economies are larger than the economies of many countries) all under a state-guaranteed market, state welfare, susbidies and monopolies which are closely tied to the state-guanrateed markets of these central planned monstrosities. Mark my word: if climate change gets so bad that it can’t be denied any longer (which, since they are so damend good at deniying the obvious, would have to be truly disasterously bad), these Demo-publican leaders will realize that corporate-central-planning combined with ultra-unregulated markets is the Worst of Both Worlds for the environment..and will they give us de-centralized liberatory economics? Hell no, they will create some world coordianted communism, mark II. People like me will be called (correctly) anti-communist and I’ll be one of the few left over to condemn that system too. See, elites don’t mind shifting from one top-down anti-democratic economic system, to another. The fools posting here are dupes, don’t get angry at them, they would have been pro-communist if they were in 1970s USSR, they are buying the fake-capitalsim of todya’s USA as if it were real, and they will buy (and cheer-lead!) the Communism Mark II the corporate class will move the world towards if it becomes clear that’s the only way to avert disaster, while keeping themselves in power. More likely for a long time is denial and band-aid fixes, mixed together. Meanwhile greens and liberatrians and techno-activists and low-tech activists and others from many ideologies but who have their eyes open for the need for non-violent disobedience and de-centralized economics are building coalitions and the seeds and shoots of a de-centralized democratic economy and means of survival for communities in the future = = = = STILL FEELING LIKE THE MAINSTREAM U.S. CORPORATE MEDIA IS GIVING A FULL HONEST PICTURE OF WHAT’S GOING ON? = = = = Daily online radio show, news reporting: www.DemocracyNow.org = = = = Sorry, we cannot read/reply to most usenet posts but welcome email For more information: http://EconomicDemocracy.org/wtc/ (peace) And http://EconomicDemocracy.org/ (general) ** ANTI-SPAM EMAIL NOTE: For email "info" and "map" don’t work. Email instead ** to m-a-i-l-m-a-i-l (without the dashes) at economicdemocracy.org

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Oh gawd, ANOTHER damned liar advocating CRANK science. I mean, even the greenhouse gas loons who CLAIM to be scientist aren’t backing THIS particular line of BULLSHIT, because it’s just too damn stupid. Not so for commie boy here! THIS IS THE KIND OF LYING ASSHOLE WHO SPREADS THIS BULLSHIT.   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sorry CNN, egg on your face about poo-pooing the notion of giant hail in a cowardly effort to soothe special interests by launching a smear against The Day  After Tomorrow. Sure, the movie puts years of change into a few days, and like any drama, is filled with fiction. But the basic science is clear: Climate change is real and cause in large part by burning massive amount of fossil fuels (25 BILLION barrels of oil per year, plus coal, plus natural gas, etc)

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Sorry CNN, egg on your face about poo-pooing the notion of giant hail in a cowardly effort to soothe special interests by launching a smear against The Day  After Tomorrow. Sure, the movie puts years of change into a few days, and like any drama, is filled with fiction. But the basic science is clear: Climate change is real and cause in large part by burning massive amount of fossil fuels (25 BILLION barrels of oil per year, plus coal, plus natural gas, etc) But what about those giant hail balls you laughted at? Actually this one item is not fiction. The account is fictitious, but hail the size of grapefruit is not only possible, but is smaller than what’s already happened with the climate-gone-crazy. It’s not only scientificaly possible, it’s already started. And (sorry to ruine some of the drama for those going to the movie) but grapefruit isn’t the worst either: try basketball sized hail. And even larger. Report one of two, below on giant ice balls and global warming/climate change. From adn.com (Anchorage Daily News, Alaska) Global warming turns ugly as nature attacks with giant ice balls MIKE DOOGAN COMMENT (Published: December 16, 2003) I guess the world wasn’t dangerous enough. Now, apparently, big balls of ice have taken to falling from the clear blue sky. Fortunately for Alaskans, most of the big balls of ice fall from the clear blue sky over Spain. No one knows why. Perhaps it’s nature’s way of getting even for bullfighting. But they don’t all fall in Spain. According to a story that first appeared in the Toledo — the one in Ohio, not the one in Spain — Blade, "Last winter, an ice chunk that eyewitnesses described as ‘half the size of a car’ ripped through the roof of an automobile dealership in Lawrenceville, Ga." I’ll bet that gave them something to talk about around the coffee pot. Also last winter, another ball of ice, this one described as being the size of a basketball, crashed through the roof of a home in Lawrenceville. Nobody knows why Lawrenceville is being shelled. Do you suppose they’re holding clandestine bullfights there? Or have a large Spanish community? In many of these cases, the usual sources of ice from the sky — airplane toilets, comet fragments — have been ruled out. Instead, scientists think they are something fairly new: really, really big hailstones, formed in the same place and in the same way as more modest hailstones, the ones the size of, say, golf balls or canned hams. They even have a name for these big balls of ice that fall from the sky: Megacryometeors, which is Latin for big balls of ice that fall from the sky. These megacryometeors were first reported about three years ago, and more seem to be falling all the time. Most weigh 25 to 35 pounds, but, according to the newspaper article, one found in Brazil "tipped the scales at 440 pounds." Imagine that smacking you on the head. Sort of puts the health threat from eating too much red meat in perspective, doesn’t it? Now, big balls of ice falling from the sky would be worrisome enough. I mean, who wants to live in a world where nature is actively trying to knock your block off? But, of course, that’s not all there is to it. The leading theory is that it’s not nature causing these big balls of ice to fall from the sky. At least it’s not just nature. It’s also everybody’s favorite villain: us. Because what’s causing the big balls of ice to fall from the sky is global warming. You know about global warming. The planet is heating up, and scientists say a big reason is all the gunk humans pump into the air from smokestacks, automobile exhausts and exhaling. Until I read about these big balls of ice, I thought global warming would be a completely beneficial event for Alaskans. I mean, how could the weather getting warmer hurt us? Sure, it would be bad for cross-country skiers, but people so deranged as to intentionally go outside in the winter and start sweating will be able to find some other way to get frostbite. And the rest of us will be able to eat bananas off our own trees. So I was thinking we should be converting our furnaces to coal and giving good citizenship medals to people who drive big gas guzzlers, as ways of helping to speed global warming along. Maybe launching a "Warm the Planet" campaign to encourage people to emit more greenhouse gases in their daily lives. And, thinking long-term, trying to corner the local market in beach towels for resale at a dandy markup. But if it’s going to cause me to have to dodge giant balls of ice, I guess I’ll have to rethink my position. It’s one think to ignore the advice of people who want me to eat groats, wear unbleached linen and travel by ox cart. It’s another to have to spend the rest of my life looking up. Think of the stiff neck you’d get. And driving? I mean, not even a ‘72 Buick LeSabre is going to withstand a direct hit from a 440 pound ball of ice. Besides, what if giant balls of ice are just the first danger? What if they are accompanied by earthquakes, volcanic eruptions and rampaging giant lizards, just like in one of those movies that featured Steve Reeves in phony animal skins? So I guess I’ll have to behave myself and not try to help increase global warming. Give up my dreams of sunshine, palm trees and Cook Inlet’s golden beaches. Not to mention my plans for turning catastrophic climate change into an economic development opportunity. Know anybody who wants to buy a beach towel? Mike Doogan’s opinion column appears each Tuesday, Friday and Sunday. His telephone number is 257-4350, and his e-mail address is Source: http://www.adn.com/doogan/story/4524428p-4501069c.html DON’T MOURN, ACT! WEBSITES FOR ACTION: http://www.greenhousenet.org/ http://www.gristmagazine.com/dogood/climate.asp http://www.solarcatalyst.com/ Overview (and solutions) also at : http://www.PostCarbon.org See also the movie site:  http://www.thedayaftertomorrow.com/ The main trailer: http://www.thedayaftertomorrow.com/trailer/ A second one if you want: http://www.thedayaftertomorrow.com/trailer2/index.html See it for yourself..! = = = = STILL FEELING LIKE THE MAINSTREAM U.S. CORPORATE MEDIA IS GIVING A FULL HONEST PICTURE OF WHAT’S GOING ON? = = = = Daily online radio show, news reporting: www.DemocracyNow.org = = = = Sorry, we cannot read/reply to most usenet posts but welcome email For more information: http://EconomicDemocracy.org/wtc/ (peace) And http://EconomicDemocracy.org/ (general) ANTI-SPAM EMAIL NOTE: For email "info" and "map" don’t work. 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Tomorrow I have to take my daughter, my FIVE YEAR OLD daughter to the dermatologist to get an extremely suspicious-looking mole removed and biopsied.   Ouch, thats a tough procedure for so little of one, hope you got her a nice chocolate bar when she was finished.  Hope, hope, hope that its just dysplastic.  Robyn, didn’t you have a mole biopsied a while back?  Kathy J

Whew, well it turned out that we didn’t have to do anything about it.  The doctor could tell by looking at it under this high-powered microscrope that it’s benign.  What a relief!  I really didn’t want to put my daughter through the removal procedure – Of course, I’m still keeping my promise to take her to Build-A-Bear today anyway.  And yep, I had a piece of my face taken off last summer due to basal cell cancer. Robyn Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster #1557

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It was a very pleasant surprise today to see an entire article about my bmom (she owns an art gallery).  I’ll admit reading it is slightly bittersweet, especially when it spoke of how all her family has moved either into her town or close by to be near her (they’re a very close family), but I’m still happy to add the article to my collection of letters, pictures, etc.  Especially since it has a recent picture of her and the only one I have is probably about 20 years old.  I never got the nerve to pull out the camera when we met in person Just felt like sharing. Robyn Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster So glad you saw the article – every little bit helps when trying to put that puzzle together.  And, really happy for you that  you saw the recent photo. What a bonus.  By the way, smart idea re the newspaper subscription.  Will you mention anything to b’mother about the article? No, I don’t plan on doing so.  I don’t know how she’d feel knowing that I subscribed to her town paper. Did it mention her other children?  Do you know anything about your sibs?   Well, I do know both their names, my half-sis’s husbands name and the name of their two children.  Honestly don’t feel the need to know much more at this point.

  I don’t get it.  Are you still your bmoms little secret? Dad

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It was a very pleasant surprise today to see an entire article about my bmom (she owns an art gallery).  I’ll admit reading it is slightly bittersweet, especially when it spoke of how all her family has moved either into her town or close by to be near her (they’re a very close family), but I’m still happy to add the article to my collection of letters, pictures, etc.  Especially since it has a recent picture of her and the only one I have is probably about 20 years old.  I never got the nerve to pull out the camera when we met in person Just felt like sharing. Robyn Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster #1557 I sure can identify with that pleasent yet bittersweet stuff Robyn. Thanks for sharing.  Kathy J No problem It stung a little to read "Family traditions are important to ******", but what the hey.  I’ve got bigger fish to fry right now anyway. Tomorrow I have to take my daughter, my FIVE YEAR OLD daughter to the dermatologist to get an extremely suspicious-looking mole removed and biopsied.  Can you imagine?  Freakin’ five years old and it might be skin cancer.  Kid’s never had a sun burn in her life. <sigh Sorry, had to vent.  I’m worried sick Don’t blame/blaim you!  I’m sure everything will be fine, but how scary. Let us know how everything turns out! It turned out to be nothing.  Sorry to worry anyone, but I’m a bit paranoid after having skin cancer removed last year.

Perfectly understandable–I’m glad everything is ok! Robyn Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster #1557

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Well, I do know both their names, my half-sis’s husbands name and the name of their two children.  Honestly don’t feel the need to know much more at this point.

Has b’mother told them about you?  Mine hasn’t – that is why I am asking. Thanks. DMC

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It stung a little to read "Family traditions are important to ******", but what the hey.  I’ve got bigger fish to fry right now anyway. Tomorrow I have to take my daughter, my FIVE YEAR OLD daughter to the dermatologist to get an extremely suspicious-looking mole removed and biopsied.  Can you imagine? Freakin’ five years old and it might be skin cancer.  Kid’s never had a sun burn in her life. <sigh Sorry, had to vent.  I’m worried sick Thinking of you both. Hope things turn out O.K. Thanks!  It turned out to be a whole lot of nothing’ and I feel like an idiot for even bringing it up It’s an ugly mole, but not malignant.  My daughter is more than happy to hold onto it for a little while longe Robyn Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster #1557

So glad to hear the good news  See…all our good thoughts worked KL —-== Posted via Newsfeed.Com – Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==—- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups —= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers – Total Privacy via Encryption =—

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – says… It stung a little to read "Family traditions are important to ******", but what the hey.  I’ve got bigger fish to fry right now anyway. Tomorrow I have to take my daughter, my FIVE YEAR OLD daughter to the dermatologist to get an extremely suspicious-looking mole removed and biopsied.  Can you imagine? Freakin’ five years old and it might be skin cancer.  Kid’s never had a sun burn in her life. <sigh Sorry, had to vent.  I’m worried sick Thinking of you both. Hope things turn out O.K. Thanks!  It turned out to be a whole lot of nothing’ and I feel like an idiot for even bringing it up It’s an ugly mole, but not malignant.  My daughter is more than happy to hold onto it for a little while longe Robyn Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster #1557 So glad to hear the good news  See…all our good thoughts worked

Yes, "headology" can work wonders Robyn Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster #1557

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It was a very pleasant surprise today to see an entire article about my bmom (she owns an art gallery).  I’ll admit reading it is slightly bittersweet, especially when it spoke of how all her family has moved either into her town or close by to be near her (they’re a very close family), but I’m still happy to add the article to my collection of letters, pictures, etc.  Especially since it has a recent picture of her and the only one I have is probably about 20 years old.  I never got the nerve to pull out the camera when we met in person Just felt like sharing. Robyn Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster #1557 I sure can identify with that pleasent yet bittersweet stuff Robyn.  Thanks for sharing.  Kathy J No problem It stung a little to read "Family traditions are important to ******", but what the hey.  I’ve got bigger fish to fry right now anyway. Tomorrow I have to take my daughter, my FIVE YEAR OLD daughter to the dermatologist to get an extremely suspicious-looking mole removed and biopsied.  Can you imagine?  Freakin’ five years old and it might be skin cancer.  Kid’s never had a sun burn in her life. <sigh Sorry, had to vent.  I’m worried sick Don’t blame/blaim you!  I’m sure everything will be fine, but how scary.  Let us know how everything turns out!

It turned out to be nothing.  Sorry to worry anyone, but I’m a bit paranoid after having skin cancer removed last year. Robyn Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster #1557

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It stung a little to read "Family traditions are important to ******", but what the hey.  I’ve got bigger fish to fry right now anyway. Tomorrow I have to take my daughter, my FIVE YEAR OLD daughter to the dermatologist to get an extremely suspicious-looking mole removed and biopsied.  Can you imagine?  Freakin’ five years old and it might be skin cancer.  Kid’s never had a sun burn in her life. <sigh Sorry, had to vent.  I’m worried sick Thinking of you both. Hope things turn out O.K.

Thanks!  It turned out to be a whole lot of nothing’ and I feel like an idiot for even bringing it up It’s an ugly mole, but not malignant.  My daughter is more than happy to hold onto it for a little while longe Robyn Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster #1557

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Tomorrow I have to take my daughter, my FIVE YEAR OLD daughter to the dermatologist to get an extremely suspicious-looking mole removed and biopsied.  

Ouch, thats a tough procedure for so little of one, hope you got her a nice chocolate bar when she was finished.  Hope, hope, hope that its just dysplastic.  Robyn, didn’t you have a mole biopsied a while back?  Kathy J

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – says… It was a very pleasant surprise today to see an entire article about my bmom (she owns an art gallery).  I’ll admit reading it is slightly bittersweet, especially when it spoke of how all her family has moved either into her town or close by to be near her (they’re a very close family), but I’m still happy to add the article to my collection of letters, pictures, etc. Especially since it has a recent picture of her and the only one I have is probably about 20 years old.  I never got the nerve to pull out the camera when we met in person Just felt like sharing. Robyn Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster #1557 I sure can identify with that pleasent yet bittersweet stuff Robyn. Thanks for sharing.  Kathy J No problem It stung a little to read "Family traditions are important to ******", but what the hey.  I’ve got bigger fish to fry right now anyway. Tomorrow I have to take my daughter, my FIVE YEAR OLD daughter to the dermatologist to get an extremely suspicious-looking mole removed and biopsied.  Can you imagine? Freakin’ five years old and it might be skin cancer.  Kid’s never had a sun burn in her life. <sigh Sorry, had to vent.  I’m worried sick Robyn Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster #1557 Oh boy,  hope everything turns out ok. Ach, you’ll be happy to know, it’s just a mole and the dermatologist didn’t even want to remove it.  Turns out it was nothing.  I’m just a bit paranoid after getting a piece of my own face removed last summer Robyn Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster #1557

Good news! Marley

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It was a very pleasant surprise today to see an entire article about my bmom (she owns an art gallery).  I’ll admit reading it is slightly bittersweet, especially when it spoke of how all her family has moved either into her town or close by to be near her (they’re a very close family), but I’m still happy to add the article to my collection of letters, pictures, etc.  Especially since it has a recent picture of her and the only one I have is probably about 20 years old.  I never got the nerve to pull out the camera when we met in person Just felt like sharing. Robyn Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster

So glad you saw the article – every little bit helps when trying to put that puzzle together.  And, really happy for you that  you saw the recent photo. What a bonus.  By the way, smart idea re the newspaper subscription.  Will you mention anything to b’mother about the article?  Did it mention her other children?  Do you know anything about your sibs?  

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -It was a very pleasant surprise today to see an entire article about my bmom (she owns an art gallery).  I’ll admit reading it is slightly bittersweet, especially when it spoke of how all her family has moved either into her town or close by to be near her (they’re a very close family), but I’m still happy to add the article to my collection of letters, pictures, etc.  Especially since it has a recent picture of her and the only one I have is probably about 20 years old.  I never got the nerve to pull out the camera when we met in person Just felt like sharing. Robyn Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster So glad you saw the article – every little bit helps when trying to put that puzzle together.  And, really happy for you that  you saw the recent photo. What a bonus.  By the way, smart idea re the newspaper subscription.  Will you mention anything to b’mother about the article?

No, I don’t plan on doing so.  I don’t know how she’d feel knowing that I subscribed to her town paper. Did it mention her other children?  Do you know anything about your sibs?  

Well, I do know both their names, my half-sis’s husbands name and the name of their two children.  Honestly don’t feel the need to know much more at this point. Robyn Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster #1557

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Greiner says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – says… It was a very pleasant surprise today to see an entire article about my bmom (she owns an art gallery).  I’ll admit reading it is slightly bittersweet, especially when it spoke of how all her family has moved either into her town or close by to be near her (they’re a very close family), but I’m still happy to add the article to my collection of letters, pictures, etc. Especially since it has a recent picture of her and the only one I have is probably about 20 years old.  I never got the nerve to pull out the camera when we met in person Just felt like sharing. Robyn Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster #1557 I sure can identify with that pleasent yet bittersweet stuff Robyn. Thanks for sharing.  Kathy J No problem It stung a little to read "Family traditions are important to ******", but what the hey.  I’ve got bigger fish to fry right now anyway. Tomorrow I have to take my daughter, my FIVE YEAR OLD daughter to the dermatologist to get an extremely suspicious-looking mole removed and biopsied.  Can you imagine? Freakin’ five years old and it might be skin cancer.  Kid’s never had a sun burn in her life. <sigh Sorry, had to vent.  I’m worried sick Robyn Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster #1557 Oh boy,  hope everything turns out ok. Ach, you’ll be happy to know, it’s just a mole and the dermatologist didn’t even want to remove it.  Turns out it was nothing.  I’m just a bit paranoid after getting a piece of my own face removed last summer Good news!

You ain’t kidding! Robyn Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster #1557

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It stung a little to read "Family traditions are important to ******", but what the hey.  I’ve got bigger fish to fry right now anyway. Tomorrow I have to take my daughter, my FIVE YEAR OLD daughter to the dermatologist to get an extremely suspicious-looking mole removed and biopsied.  Can you imagine?  Freakin’ five years old and it might be skin cancer.  Kid’s never had a sun burn in her life. <sigh Sorry, had to vent.  I’m worried sick

Thinking of you both. Hope things turn out O.K. Rh. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Robyn Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster #1557

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – says… It was a very pleasant surprise today to see an entire article about my bmom (she owns an art gallery).  I’ll admit reading it is slightly bittersweet, especially when it spoke of how all her family has moved either into her town or close by to be near her (they’re a very close family), but I’m still happy to add the article to my collection of letters, pictures, etc.  Especially since it has a recent picture of her and the only one I have is probably about 20 years old.  I never got the nerve to pull out the camera when we met in person Just felt like sharing. Robyn Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster #1557 I sure can identify with that pleasent yet bittersweet stuff Robyn. Thanks for sharing.  Kathy J No problem It stung a little to read "Family traditions are important to ******", but what the hey.  I’ve got bigger fish to fry right now anyway. Tomorrow I have to take my daughter, my FIVE YEAR OLD daughter to the dermatologist to get an extremely suspicious-looking mole removed and biopsied.  Can you imagine?  Freakin’ five years old and it might be skin cancer.  Kid’s never had a sun burn in her life. <sigh Sorry, had to vent.  I’m worried sick Robyn Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster #1557 Oh boy,  hope everything turns out ok.

Ach, you’ll be happy to know, it’s just a mole and the dermatologist didn’t even want to remove it.  Turns out it was nothing.  I’m just a bit paranoid after getting a piece of my own face removed last summer Robyn Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster #1557

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Thanks, I appreciate that.  I probably wouldn’t be so worried if I hadn’t had my own cancerous mole removed last summer.  What my daughter has is small, but so is she!  I’m sure everything will turn out fine one way or another.

Sending good thoughts your way, and all the best in this Rupa

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – says… It was a very pleasant surprise today to see an entire article about my bmom (she owns an art gallery).  I’ll admit reading it is slightly bittersweet, especially when it spoke of how all her family has moved either into her town or close by to be near her (they’re a very close family), but I’m still happy to add the article to my collection of letters, pictures, etc.  Especially since it has a recent picture of her and the only one I have is probably about 20 years old.  I never got the nerve to pull out the camera when we met in person Just felt like sharing. Robyn Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster #1557 I sure can identify with that pleasent yet bittersweet stuff Robyn. Thanks for sharing.  Kathy J No problem It stung a little to read "Family traditions are important to ******", but what the hey.  I’ve got bigger fish to fry right now anyway. Tomorrow I have to take my daughter, my FIVE YEAR OLD daughter to the dermatologist to get an extremely suspicious-looking mole removed and biopsied.  Can you imagine?  Freakin’ five years old and it might be skin cancer.  Kid’s never had a sun burn in her life. <sigh Sorry, had to vent.  I’m worried sick Robyn Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster #1557

Oh boy,  hope everything turns out ok. Kathy 1

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It was a very pleasant surprise today to see an entire article about my bmom (she owns an art gallery).  I’ll admit reading it is slightly bittersweet, especially when it spoke of how all her family has moved either into her town or close by to be near her (they’re a very close family), but I’m still happy to add the article to my collection of letters, pictures, etc.  Especially since it has a recent picture of her and the only one I have is probably about 20 years old.  I never got the nerve to pull out the camera when we met in person Just felt like sharing. Robyn Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster #1557 I sure can identify with that pleasent yet bittersweet stuff Robyn.  Thanks for sharing.  Kathy J No problem It stung a little to read "Family traditions are important to ******", but what the hey.  I’ve got bigger fish to fry right now anyway. Tomorrow I have to take my daughter, my FIVE YEAR OLD daughter to the dermatologist to get an extremely suspicious-looking mole removed and biopsied.  Can you imagine?  Freakin’ five years old and it might be skin cancer.  Kid’s never had a sun burn in her life. <sigh Sorry, had to vent.  I’m worried sick

Don’t blame/blaim you!  I’m sure everything will be fine, but how scary.  Let us know how everything turns out! Robyn Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster #1557

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It stung a little to read "Family traditions are important to ******", but what the hey.  I’ve got bigger fish to fry right now anyway. Tomorrow I have to take my daughter, my FIVE YEAR OLD daughter to the dermatologist to get an extremely suspicious-looking mole removed and biopsied.  Can you imagine? Freakin’ five years old and it might be skin cancer.  Kid’s never had a sun burn in her life. <sigh Sorry, had to vent.  I’m worried sick Thinking of you both. Hope things turn out O.K. Thanks, I appreciate that.  I probably wouldn’t be so worried if I hadn’t had my own cancerous mole removed last summer.  What my daughter has is small, but so is she!  I’m sure everything will turn out fine one way or another. Robyn Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster #1557

One of my father’s friends who is 84 has had problems with skin cancer for many years. He has recently received a new laser treatment that for the first time in years has his many open sores taken care of. He golfs day and day out, and when he is not golfing, he is finding golf balls – he has raised about $3,000.00 this year to provide funds to the hospital in Aylmer Ontario to pay for the machine for the treatment. If I can remember what my mother told me, the newer treatments are much more focussed on the cancerous cells and do not do much damage to the surrounding cells. If you would like any further information, send me an e-mail. Doug Thomas

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It stung a little to read "Family traditions are important to ******", but what the hey.  I’ve got bigger fish to fry right now anyway. Tomorrow I have to take my daughter, my FIVE YEAR OLD daughter to the dermatologist to get an extremely suspicious-looking mole removed and biopsied.  Can you imagine?  Freakin’ five years old and it might be skin cancer.  Kid’s never had a sun burn in her life. <sigh Sorry, had to vent.  I’m worried sick Thinking of you both. Hope things turn out O.K.

Thanks, I appreciate that.  I probably wouldn’t be so worried if I hadn’t had my own cancerous mole removed last summer.  What my daughter has is small, but so is she!  I’m sure everything will turn out fine one way or another. Robyn Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster #1557

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It was a very pleasant surprise today to see an entire article about my bmom (she owns an art gallery).  I’ll admit reading it is slightly bittersweet, especially when it spoke of how all her family has moved either into her town or close by to be near her (they’re a very close family), but I’m still happy to add the article to my collection of letters, pictures, etc.  Especially since it has a recent picture of her and the only one I have is probably about 20 years old.  I never got the nerve to pull out the camera when we met in person Just felt like sharing. Robyn Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster #1557 I sure can identify with that pleasent yet bittersweet stuff Robyn.  Thanks for sharing.  Kathy J

No problem It stung a little to read "Family traditions are important to ******", but what the hey.  I’ve got bigger fish to fry right now anyway. Tomorrow I have to take my daughter, my FIVE YEAR OLD daughter to the dermatologist to get an extremely suspicious-looking mole removed and biopsied.  Can you imagine?  Freakin’ five years old and it might be skin cancer.  Kid’s never had a sun burn in her life. <sigh Sorry, had to vent.  I’m worried sick Robyn Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster #1557

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -It was a very pleasant surprise today to see an entire article about my bmom (she owns an art gallery).  I’ll admit reading it is slightly bittersweet, especially when it spoke of how all her family has moved either into her town or close by to be near her (they’re a very close family), but I’m still happy to add the article to my collection of letters, pictures, etc.  Especially since it has a recent picture of her and the only one I have is probably about 20 years old.  I never got the nerve to pull out the camera when we met in person Just felt like sharing. Robyn Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster #1557 I sure can identify with that pleasent yet bittersweet stuff Robyn.  Thanks for sharing.  Kathy J No problem It stung a little to read "Family traditions are important to ******", but what the hey.  I’ve got bigger fish to fry right now anyway. Tomorrow I have to take my daughter, my FIVE YEAR OLD daughter to the dermatologist to get an extremely suspicious-looking mole removed and biopsied.  Can you imagine?  Freakin’ five years old and it might be skin cancer.  Kid’s never had a sun burn in her life. <sigh Sorry, had to vent.  I’m worried sick Robyn Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster #1557

Here’s hoping there’s no reason to worry any longer by this time tomorrow. J. Reply to jmhjmd at aol.

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snip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I sure can identify with that pleasent yet bittersweet stuff Robyn.  Thanks for sharing.  Kathy J No problem It stung a little to read "Family traditions are important to ******", but what the hey.  I’ve got bigger fish to fry right now anyway. Tomorrow I have to take my daughter, my FIVE YEAR OLD daughter to the dermatologist to get an extremely suspicious-looking mole removed and biopsied.  Can you imagine?  Freakin’ five years old and it might be skin cancer.  Kid’s never had a sun burn in her life. <sigh Sorry, had to vent.  I’m worried sick Robyn Here’s hoping there’s no reason to worry any longer by this time tomorrow.

Thanks.  We won’t get the biopsy results until next week.  Due to her age, it IS highly unlikely that it’s malignant, but unfortunately, not unheard of.  I just wish the kid would get something normal, like a damn cold ;/ Robyn Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster #1557

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As some of you may remember, I started subscribing to my bmom’s home newspaper in an effort to possibly get information on family members, mainly through one of my grandparents’ obituaries (they’re in there mid-80s, but still going strong).  Of course, that’s no longer necessary after meeting my bmom and half-sis back in February.  So, I figured I’d just let the subscription run out and not renew it in August. It was a very pleasant surprise today to see an entire article about my bmom (she owns an art gallery).  I’ll admit reading it is slightly bittersweet, especially when it spoke of how all her family has moved either into her town or close by to be near her (they’re a very close family), but I’m still happy to add the article to my collection of letters, pictures, etc.  Especially since it has a recent picture of her and the only one I have is probably about 20 years old.  I never got the nerve to pull out the camera when we met in person Just felt like sharing. Robyn Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster #1557

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It was a very pleasant surprise today to see an entire article about my bmom (she owns an art gallery).  I’ll admit reading it is slightly bittersweet, especially when it spoke of how all her family has moved either into her town or close by to be near her (they’re a very close family), but I’m still happy to add the article to my collection of letters, pictures, etc.  Especially since it has a recent picture of her and the only one I have is probably about 20 years old.  I never got the nerve to pull out the camera when we met in person Just felt like sharing. Robyn Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster #1557

I sure can identify with that pleasent yet bittersweet stuff Robyn.  Thanks for sharing.  Kathy J

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Life and a Cup of Coffee Preaching is a violation of the alt.atheism FAQ/charter. (Not that I expect a christian to bother with things like rules…)

Notice how (IKnowShitDoYou) does the same thing almost every time? He starts a thread with similar garbage, then leaves it. Sort of like dropping a turd, then leaving it for everybody to admire. :/

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In a message sent ’round the world, IKnowHimDoYou poured fuel on the fire with the following: Life and a Cup of Coffee [ snip some treacle ] And so it is with your walk with the Lord Jesus Christ. Lame Analogy.  Don’t sweat the small stuff like religion, doctrine, etc.  Make sure you have your life set on the right relationship with Him first…everything else will fall into place. The majority of the world’s population has managed without Christ throughout history and to this very day. Nor is there any indication that Christians on the whole experience any more contentment than any one else.

Visit Thailand, get immersed in their Buddhism and you can FEEL the contentment bob Hong kong – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   Regards,    Josef There is something feeble and contemptible about a man who cannot face life without the help of comfortable myths.         — Bertrand Russell

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Life and a Cup of Coffee

Preaching is a violation of the alt.atheism FAQ/charter. (Not that I expect a christian to bother with things like rules…) — Mark K. Bilbo  -  a.a. #1423 EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion "Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism, because it is a merger of State and corporate power." – Mussolini

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In a message sent ’round the world, IKnowHimDoYou poured fuel on the fire with the following: Life and a Cup of Coffee      

[ snip some treacle ] And so it is with your walk with the Lord Jesus Christ.

Lame Analogy.  Don’t sweat the small stuff like religion, doctrine, etc.  Make sure you have your life set on the right relationship with Him first…everything else will fall into place.

The majority of the world’s population has managed without Christ throughout history and to this very day. Nor is there any indication that Christians on the whole experience any more contentment than any one else.   Regards,    Josef There is something feeble and contemptible about a man who cannot face life without the help of comfortable myths.         — Bertrand Russell

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Life and a Cup of Coffee       "A professor stood before his philosophy class and had some items in front of him. When the class began, wordlessly he picked up a very large and empty mayonnaise jar and proceeded to fill it with golf balls. He then asked the students if the jar was full. They agreed that it was. So the professor then picked up a box of pebbles and poured them into the jar. He shook the jar lightly. The pebbles rolled into the open areas between the golf balls. He then asked the students again if the jar was full. They agreed it was. The professor next picked up a box of sand and poured it into the jar. Of cour se, the sand filled up everything else. He asked once more if the jar was full. The students responded with a unanimous "Yes" The professor then produced two cups of coffee from under the table and poured the entire contents into the jar, effectively filling the empty space between the sand. The students laughed. "Now," said the professor, as the laughter subsided, "I want you to recognize that this jar represents your life. The golf ball are the important things–your family, your children, your health, your friends, your favorite passions–things that if everything else was lost and only they remained, your life would still be full. The pebbles are the other things that matter like your job, your house, your car. The sand is everything else–the small stuff." "If you put the sand into the jar first," he continued, "there is no room for the pebbles or the golf balls. The same goes for life. If you spend all your time and energy on the small stuff, you will n ever have room for the things that are important to you. Pay attention to the things that are critical to your contentment and peace and purpose. Play with your children. Take time to get medical checkups. Take your partner out to dinner. Take the senic route. There will always be time to clean the house and fix the disposal. "Take care of the golf balls first, the things that really matter. Set your priorities. The rest is just sand." One of the students raised her hand and inquired what the coffee represented. The professor smiled. "I’m glad you asked. It just goes to show you that no matter how full your life may seem, there’s always room for a couple of cups of coffee with a friend." So, remember, when things in your life seem almost too much to handle, when 24 hours in a day are not enough, remember the mayonnaise jar……and the coffee!" (Taken from an Internet Yahoo group.) And so it is with your walk with the Lord Jesus Christ.  Don’t sweat the small stuff like religion, doctrine, etc.  Make sure you have your life set on the right relationship with Him first…everything else will fall into place. That wasn’t bad, until the end. Why did you have to add that idiotic last paragraph?

The way I heard it, instead of coffee, it was beer. The other ingredients were the same. But there was no reference to any religious delusion. It was a real life analogy. drift

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Life and a Cup of Coffee       "A professor stood before his philosophy class and had some items in front of him. When the class began, wordlessly he picked up a very large and empty mayonnaise jar and proceeded to fill it with golf balls. He then asked the students if the jar was full. They agreed that it was. So the professor then picked up a box of pebbles and poured them into the jar. He shook the jar lightly. The pebbles rolled into the open areas between the golf balls. He then asked the students again if the jar was full. They agreed it was. The professor next picked up a box of sand and poured it into the jar. Of cour se, the sand filled up everything else. He asked once more if the jar was full. The students responded with a unanimous "Yes" The professor then produced two cups of coffee from under the table and poured the entire contents into the jar, effectively filling the empty space between the sand. The students laughed. "Now," said the professor, as the laughter subsided, "I want you to recognize that this jar represents your life. The golf ball are the important things–your family, your children, your health, your friends, your favorite passions–things that if everything else was lost and only they remained, your life would still be full. The pebbles are the other things that matter like your job, your house, your car. The sand is everything else–the small stuff." "If you put the sand into the jar first," he continued, "there is no room for the pebbles or the golf balls. The same goes for life. If you spend all your time and energy on the small stuff, you will n ever have room for the things that are important to you. Pay attention to the things that are critical to your contentment and peace and purpose. Play with your children. Take time to get medical checkups. Take your partner out to dinner. Take the senic route. There will always be time to clean the house and fix the disposal. "Take care of the golf balls first, the things that really matter. Set your priorities. The rest is just sand." One of the students raised her hand and inquired what the coffee represented. The professor smiled. "I’m glad you asked. It just goes to show you that no matter how full your life may seem, there’s always room for a couple of cups of coffee with a friend." So, remember, when things in your life seem almost too much to handle, when 24 hours in a day are not enough, remember the mayonnaise jar……and the coffee!" (Taken from an Internet Yahoo group.) And so it is with your walk with the Lord Jesus Christ.  Don’t sweat the small stuff like religion, doctrine, etc.  Make sure you have your life set on the right relationship with Him first…everything else will fall into place.

But why fuck around with a useless, less-than-important, space eating golf ball named Jesus which could easily be replaced with more pebbles and sand? -Mike#1375 BAAWA Knight!

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Life and a Cup of Coffee "A professor stood before his philosophy class and had some items in front of him. When the class began, wordlessly he picked up a very large and empty mayonnaise jar and proceeded to fill it with golf balls. He then asked the students if the jar was full. They agreed that it was. So the professor then picked up a box of pebbles and poured them into the jar. He shook the jar lightly. The pebbles rolled into the open areas between the golf balls. He then asked the students again if the jar was full. They agreed it was. The professor next picked up a box of sand and poured it into the jar. Of cour se, the sand filled up everything else. He asked once more if the jar was full. The students responded with a unanimous "Yes" The professor then produced two cups of coffee from under the table and poured the entire contents into the jar, effectively filling the empty space between the sand. The students laughed. "Now," said the professor, as the laughter subsided, "I want you to recognize that this jar represents your life. The golf ball are the important things–your family, your children, your health, your friends, your favorite passions–things that if everything else was lost and only they remained, your life would still be full. The pebbles are the other things that matter like your job, your house, your car. The sand is everything else–the small stuff." "If you put the sand into the jar first," he continued, "there is no room for the pebbles or the golf balls. The same goes for life. If you spend all your time and energy on the small stuff, you will n ever have room for the things that are important to you. Pay attention to the things that are critical to your contentment and peace and purpose. Play with your children. Take time to get medical checkups. Take your partner out to dinner. Take the senic route. There will always be time to clean the house and fix the disposal. "Take care of the golf balls first, the things that really matter. Set your priorities. The rest is just sand." One of the students raised her hand and inquired what the coffee represented. The professor smiled. "I’m glad you asked. It just goes to show you that no matter how full your life may seem, there’s always room for a couple of cups of coffee with a friend." So, remember, when things in your life seem almost too much to handle, when 24 hours in a day are not enough, remember the mayonnaise jar……and the coffee!" (Taken from an Internet Yahoo group.) And so it is with your walk with the Lord Jesus Christ.  Don’t sweat the small stuff like religion, doctrine, etc.

Unless, of course, you happen to believe in the wrong doctrine (such as theistic evolution), in which case IKHDY and Christians of his ilk believe you are going straight to hell. Fortunately, the wonderful message of this parable shines through despite the irrelevant Christian message you tacked onto the end. — "We have loved the stars too fondly     | a.a. #2001 to be fearful of the night."            | http://www.ebonmusings.org –Tombstone epitaph of                  | e-mail: ebonmuse!hotmail.com   two amateur astronomers,              | ICQ: 8777843   quoted in Carl Sagan’s _Cosmos_       | PGP Key ID: 0×5C66F737

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Life and a Cup of Coffee       "A professor stood before his philosophy class and had some items in front of him. When the class began, wordlessly he picked up a very large and empty mayonnaise jar and proceeded to fill it with golf balls. He then asked the students if the jar was full. They agreed that it was. So the professor then picked up a box of pebbles and poured them into the jar. He shook the jar lightly. The pebbles rolled into the open areas between the golf balls. He then asked the students again if the jar was full. They agreed it was. The professor next picked up a box of sand and poured it into the jar. Of cour se, the sand filled up everything else. He asked once more if the jar was full. The students responded with a unanimous "Yes" The professor then produced two cups of coffee from under the table and poured the entire contents into the jar, effectively filling the empty space between the sand. The students laughed. "Now," said the professor, as the laughter subsided, "I want you to recognize that this jar represents your life. The golf ball are the important things–your family, your children, your health, your friends, your favorite passions–things that if everything else was lost and only they remained, your life would still be full. The pebbles are the other things that matter like your job, your house, your car. The sand is everything else–the small stuff." "If you put the sand into the jar first," he continued, "there is no room for the pebbles or the golf balls. The same goes for life. If you spend all your time and energy on the small stuff, you will n ever have room for the things that are important to you. Pay attention to the things that are critical to your contentment and peace and purpose. Play with your children. Take time to get medical checkups. Take your partner out to dinner. Take the senic route. There will always be time to clean the house and fix the disposal. "Take care of the golf balls first, the things that really matter. Set your priorities. The rest is just sand." One of the students raised her hand and inquired what the coffee represented. The professor smiled. "I’m glad you asked. It just goes to show you that no matter how full your life may seem, there’s always room for a couple of cups of coffee with a friend." So, remember, when things in your life seem almost too much to handle, when 24 hours in a day are not enough, remember the mayonnaise jar……and the coffee!" (Taken from an Internet Yahoo group.) And so it is with your walk with the Lord Jesus Christ.  Don’t sweat the small stuff like religion, doctrine, etc.  Make sure you have your life set on the right relationship with Him first…everything else will fall into place.

That wasn’t bad, until the end. Why did you have to add that idiotic last paragraph?

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Life and a Cup of Coffee "A professor stood before his philosophy class and had some items in front of him. When the class began, wordlessly he picked up a very large and empty mayonnaise jar and proceeded to fill it with golf balls. He then asked the students if the jar was full. They agreed that it was. So the professor then picked up a box of pebbles and poured them into the jar. He shook the jar lightly. The pebbles rolled into the open areas between the golf balls. He then asked the students again if the jar was full. They agreed it was. The professor next picked up a box of sand and poured it into the jar. Of cour se, the sand filled up everything else. He asked once more if the jar was full. The students responded with a unanimous "Yes" The professor then produced two cups of coffee from under the table and poured the entire contents into the jar, effectively filling the empty space between the sand. The students laughed. "Now," said the professor, as the laughter subsided, "I want you to recognize that this jar represents your life. The golf ball are the important things–your family, your children, your health, your friends, your favorite passions–things that if everything else was lost and only they remained, your life would still be full. The pebbles are the other things that matter like your job, your house, your car. The sand is everything else–the small stuff." "If you put the sand into the jar first," he continued, "there is no room for the pebbles or the golf balls. The same goes for life. If you spend all your time and energy on the small stuff, you will n ever have room for the things that are important to you. Pay attention to the things that are critical to your contentment and peace and purpose. Play with your children. Take time to get medical checkups. Take your partner out to dinner. Take the senic route. There will always be time to clean the house and fix the disposal. "Take care of the golf balls first, the things that really matter. Set your priorities. The rest is just sand." One of the students raised her hand and inquired what the coffee represented. The professor smiled. "I’m glad you asked. It just goes to show you that no matter how full your life may seem, there’s always room for a couple of cups of coffee with a friend." So, remember, when things in your life seem almost too much to handle, when 24 hours in a day are not enough, remember the mayonnaise jar……and the coffee!" (Taken from an Internet Yahoo group.) And so it is with your walk with the Lord Jesus Christ.  Don’t sweat the small stuff like religion, doctrine, etc.  Make sure you have your life set on the right relationship with Him first…everything else will fall into place.

Bullshit!!

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Life and a Cup of Coffee       "A professor stood before his philosophy class and had some items in front of him. When the class began, wordlessly he picked up a very large and empty mayonnaise jar and proceeded to fill it with golf balls. He then asked the students if the jar was full. They agreed that it was. So the professor then picked up a box of pebbles and poured them into the jar. He shook the jar lightly. The pebbles rolled into the open areas between the golf balls. He then asked the students again if the jar was full. They agreed it was. The professor next picked up a box of sand and poured it into the jar. Of cour se, the sand filled up everything else. He asked once more if the jar was full. The students responded with a unanimous "Yes" The professor then produced two cups of coffee from under the table and poured the entire contents into the jar, effectively filling the empty space between the sand. The students laughed. "Now," said the professor, as the laughter subsided, "I want you to recognize that this jar represents your life. The golf ball are the important things–your family, your children, your health, your friends, your favorite passions–things that if everything else was lost and only they remained, your life would still be full. The pebbles are the other things that matter like your job, your house, your car. The sand is everything else–the small stuff." "If you put the sand into the jar first," he continued, "there is no room for the pebbles or the golf balls. The same goes for life. If you spend all your time and energy on the small stuff, you will n ever have room for the things that are important to you. Pay attention to the things that are critical to your contentment and peace and purpose. Play with your children. Take time to get medical checkups. Take your partner out to dinner. Take the senic route. There will always be time to clean the house and fix the disposal. "Take care of the golf balls first, the things that really matter. Set your priorities. The rest is just sand." One of the students raised her hand and inquired what the coffee represented. The professor smiled. "I’m glad you asked. It just goes to show you that no matter how full your life may seem, there’s always room for a couple of cups of coffee with a friend." So, remember, when things in your life seem almost too much to handle, when 24 hours in a day are not enough, remember the mayonnaise jar……and the coffee!" (Taken from an Internet Yahoo group.) And so it is with your walk with the Lord Jesus Christ.  Don’t sweat the small stuff like religion, doctrine, etc.  Make sure you have your life set on the right relationship with Him first…everything else will fall into place.

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Thank you for your response.  My son seems to be doing well right now—since Feb this year.  He is on Seroquel and Depakote.  For almost 2 yrs, after he was "on his own" he was doing the pot and alcohol and probably inhaling crap killing off brain cells. Of course during the time following graduation from high school, he couldn’t handle college, got into debt, lost his car due to it being towed while illegally parked—had too many parking tickets for us to try to help him.  Just a lot of bad judgment calls.   We pray the worst is behind us but we have to be ready to face the possibility of more problems ahead as Thomas stated. Right now he is reluctant to let us be involved in his treatment.  He feels it’s between him and his healthcare people.  I know, he is an adult but doesn’t have the maturity right now to deal with all this. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Yeah, I came down with it at 21 years old also. I am now 47. > I have learned to cope with it go on with my life. But I had a very > mild case. I have been able to live pretty much a normal life with > several years of working through things and getting used to life > with the illness. I don’t think about it much now….It seems like > another lifetime ago….. > – ———-

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I can’t believe it, I messed up the joke!  Here it is again. Linda Golf Balls: A man entered the bus with both of his front pockets full of golf balls, and sat down next to a beautiful (you guessed it) blonde. The puzzled blonde kept looking at him and his bulging pockets. Finally, after many such glances from her, he said, "It’s golf balls". Nevertheless, the blonde continued to look at him thoughtfully and finally, not being able to contain her curiosity any longer, asked "Does it hurt as much as tennis elbow?"

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>Arlinda joked: >A>I can’t believe it, I messed up the joke!  Here it is again. >A>Linda ><snipped joke> >I hate `Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409`!:-(  It’s ‘uckin’ >evil, not too mention broken! ><chesucat twitches>

Chesucat prefers rn and nn. Hard to get a virus with lynx hehe. M.

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Linda, Thats a good joke and I have copy and pasted it for friends who share our sense of humor. Damo http://community.webtv.net/damodara/MystoryasIseeit

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> Hi all,  I am basically a lurker.  I am a mom who’s 21 yr old son has been > diagnosed as paranoid schizophrenic.  I read this group to try to gain any > understanding I can on this condition…

I am a bit older than your son and I am diagnosed with schizophrenia.  I have struggled with the illness for many years now.  Best evidence indicates that schizophrenia is an inherited condition.  It usually does not become evident until the late teens or early twenties, perhaps because of the maturation process.  It is a lifetime illness and your son will need medicine and care for life.  The illness usually makes it very difficult to earn a living.  Plan ahead for your son’s financial future if you can.  All too many schizophrenics end up in poverty and despair. It is a good idea to learn as much about the illness as you can.  Try visiting this wesite: http://www.schizophrenia.com/ Thomas

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On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 19:18:35 -0500, "Thomas H. Alexander" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<thab…@ktc.com> wrote: >> Hi all,  I am basically a lurker.  I am a mom who’s 21 yr old son has been >> diagnosed as paranoid schizophrenic.  I read this group to try to gain any >> understanding I can on this condition… >I am a bit older than your son and I am diagnosed with schizophrenia.  I >have struggled with the illness for many years now.  Best evidence indicates >that schizophrenia is an inherited condition.  It usually does not become >evident until the late teens or early twenties, perhaps because of the >maturation process.  It is a lifetime illness and your son will need >medicine and care for life.  The illness usually makes it very difficult to >earn a living.  Plan ahead for your son’s financial future if you can.  All >too many schizophrenics end up in poverty and despair. >It is a good idea to learn as much about the illness as you can.  Try >visiting this wesite: http://www.schizophrenia.com/ >Thomas

Yeah, I came down with it at 21 years old also. I am now 47. I have learned to cope with it go on with my life. But I had a very mild case. I have been able to live pretty much a normal life with several years of working through things and getting used to life with the illness. I don’t think about it much now….It seems like another lifetime ago…..         – ———-

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A man entered the bus with both of his front pockets full of golf balls, and sat down next to a beautiful (you guessed it) blonde. Hi all,  I am basically a lurker.  I am a mom who’s 21 yr old son has been diagnosed as paranoid schizophrenic.  I read this group to try to gain any understanding I can on this condition.  On a lighter note, I have laughed at some of the jokes I’ve seen posted.  My husband fwd’d this one to me today. I had to laugh reading the one about the buttercups and pussy willows. Linda Golf Balls: The puzzled blonde kept looking at him and his bulging pockets. Finally, after many such glances from her, he said, "It’s golf balls". Nevertheless, the blonde continued to look at him thoughtfully and finally, not being able to contain her curiosity any longer, asked "Does it hurt as much as tennis elbow?"

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But it’s the only airplane I’ve ever flown that I can say I truly hated and couldn’t wait to be back on the ground. Wow, you’re the only person I’ve ever heard say *THAT* about the Cirrus. What didn’t you like about the way it flew? — Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination"

It seemed heavy on the controls requiring a lot of thumb action on the trim to make it bearable.  The stick is too far to the side making it similar to trying to fly using your door handle.  It’s more natural to have your hands towards the center, like a center stick or yoke, instead of having just one way out to the side.  I find the side stick gives you a very detached and somewhat helpless feeling.  Like enjoying the ride is more important than the actual flying.  If the electric trim failed, imagine reaching across to get your right hand on the stick.  Thank god for the parachute, because I wouldn’t want to have to horse that thing through some emergency maneuver. The feeling I get flying a Cirrus is the same I can get if I played MSFS while sitting in a lazyboy.  In these things PIC means "pilot in cirrus" because you sure as hell aren’t in "command" The glass panel, however wiz-bang cool, is more distracting than it is useful.  And no, I don’t want to look down at my knees to see the analog backups.  Maybe if I learned on something like that I’d be used to it.  The big moving map is great, I’ve gotta shoehorn one of them into my Musketeer, but gimmie a panel full of dials for my primary instruments anyday. It’s possible for them to make it more friendly to pilots who want to be more active in flight, instead of catering to the ijustgottapilotslicenseandmyothercarisamercedes crowd.  But they go where the money is.  I’m sure not all Cirrus owners are the Tom Cruise, Top Gun type, but all that I’ve met are.  Maybe this has something to do with the accident stats. If I win one in a raffle I’ll trade you even for your Pathfinder.

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I find the side stick gives you a very detached and somewhat helpless feeling.  Like enjoying the ride is more important than the actual flying.

I know exactly what you mean.  I flew a Lancair Super ES and absolutely hated it.  It felt like sitting in a Barcalounger playing Nintendo. Maybe it’s just prejudice from habituation, but as far as I’m concerned, side sticks suck.  Perhaps I’d feel differently if I got to try one in an F-16! — Dan C172RG at BFM

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But it’s the only airplane I’ve ever flown that I can say I truly hated and couldn’t wait to be back on the ground. Wow, you’re the only person I’ve ever heard say *THAT* about the Cirrus. What didn’t you like about the way it flew?

It fly’s like a car with bald tires drives on ice.

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Guy, I am concerned though about the incidents I’ve been hearing about all of the systems failing simultaneously.

So you’re another clarivoyant that’s better than any NTSB team? — Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

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Dan Luke opined I find the side stick gives you a very detached and somewhat helpless feeling.  Like enjoying the ride is more important than the actual flying. I know exactly what you mean.  I flew a Lancair Super ES and absolutely hated it.  It felt like sitting in a Barcalounger playing Nintendo. Maybe it’s just prejudice from habituation, but as far as I’m concerned, side sticks suck.  Perhaps I’d feel differently if I got to try one in an F-16!

One nice thing about wheels and centered sticks is that you can change hands from time to time, or even use two hands if desired.                          -ash                          Cthulhu for President!                          Why vote for a lesser evil?

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At least in an F-16, the control stick (IIUC) is in the RIGHT hand, which is the one with dexterity (for a northpaw).

Speak for yourself, RIGHTY!   Actually, a left side stick for a left-handed person is problematic, especially when ATC calls and says, "Aircraft XYZ, reroute to your clearance, advice when ready to copy." — Peter

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I sat in one to see how it "felt" and decided it was not for me and that was one of the reasons.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – At least in an F-16, the control stick (IIUC) is in the RIGHT hand, which is the one with dexterity (for a northpaw). Speak for yourself, RIGHTY!   Actually, a left side stick for a left-handed person is problematic, especially when ATC calls and says, "Aircraft XYZ, reroute to your clearance, advice when ready to copy." — Peter

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I find the side stick gives you a very detached and somewhat helpless feeling.  Like enjoying the ride is more important than the actual flying. I know exactly what you mean.  I flew a Lancair Super ES and absolutely hated it.  It felt like sitting in a Barcalounger playing Nintendo. Maybe it’s just prejudice from habituation, but as far as I’m concerned, side sticks suck.  Perhaps I’d feel differently if I got to try one in an F-16!

At least in an F-16, the control stick (IIUC) is in the RIGHT hand, which is the one with dexterity (for a northpaw). Yes, with a regular yoke you use the left hand with right hand for the throttle, but then you’re using the entire arm. (Try putting golf balls with just hands…it doesn’t work…that’s why you use still hands and control with the larger arm muscles.)

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I’m baffled by why the loss rate is so high for this airplane. My wife’s theory – which I am too polite to repeat – is that the plane attracts the wrong kind of pilot.

That being the case, imagine when the light jets hit the market. Hilton

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It is kind of disconcerting to see this happening, but keep in mind that it may not be statistically significant compared to the crash rate of Cessnas, Pipers, Beeches, etc… I expect that we’re all a bit more aware of Cirrus right now because of the recent BRS deployment, so any news regarding Cirrus is going to be noticed more now than it would be at another point in time.

Rest assured the acident rate of Cirrus is statistically off the chart compared to C/P/B.

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the electric trim is so fast you can’t trim the plane for hands-off flying (and therefore have to use the autopilot) IS.

what’s wrong with the manual trim… BT

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the electric trim is so fast you can’t trim the plane for hands-off flying (and therefore have to use the autopilot) IS. what’s wrong with the manual trim…

What manual trim?  You snipped the post, but the earlier poster was discussing a CIRRUS SR22, so your question doesn’t make sense.

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Errm…. have you ever sat in a Cirrus (either kind)? There is ONLY electric trim. No comforting trim wheel down by your right hand. fwiw in my plane (182RG) I never use the electric trim, partly because it doesn’t work very well and partly because I’ve just never got into the habit. (Funny, because the couple of times I flew a Mooney Bravo it seemed like second nature to use the electric trim).     John

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – the electric trim is so fast you can’t trim the plane for hands-off flying (and therefore have to use the autopilot) IS. what’s wrong with the manual trim… BT

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A four-place Cirrus crashed yesterday near Greenwood, SC.  There were not many details in the paper this morning.  There were four on board, all killed.  It went down in a wooded area near a golf course shortly after takeoff.  There was no mention of a parachute deployment.  They had arrived a few hours before for a business meeting and did not refuel before takeoff, but in the picture it appeared that the aircraft was destroyed by fire after impact so there must have been fuel on board. Yup, as much as we put down the zzzz guy… it was on his site just after midnight last night, and this is the first I’ve seen it other than there….

Good for him. Did he say that it was caused by space aliens or by evil agents from Pulsar this time?

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John, Honestly it’s just about like any other plane to fly, it has its idiosyncracies but they’re no big deal.

Just like the Bo back when it got its doctor killer reputation. — Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

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It is kind of disconcerting to see this happening, but keep in mind that it may not be statistically significant compared to the crash rate of Cessnas, Pipers, Beeches, etc… I expect that we’re all a bit more aware of Cirrus right now because of the recent BRS deployment, so any news regarding Cirrus is going to be noticed more now than it would be at another point in time. Someone mentioned they hate the plane… I have yet to fly in one, but I know it certainly offers everything I could hope to want in a small general aviation plane (except for the bathroom for my wife!)  It’s roomy, redundant, and fast. I really like the idea of the side stick… that must make dealing with charts soooooo much easier with all the space freed up in front of you. Not to mention more room for the three course meal mid-flight. I am concerned though about the incidents I’ve been hearing about all of the systems failing simultaneously. That is certainly not something I would expect to happen with a plane with dual redundant electrical systems. Especially not one costing over $300k. BRS is nice, but again, there is no substitute for training, practice, and more training to keep yourself current. Right now, I’m more than comfortable with the 172SP, and would love to fly an SR-22… it would make getting from NJ to Atlanta much zippier… but I know my experience level has a ways to go before I’m ready for the challenge of stepping up to something faster and more complex. — Guy Elden Jr.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What is it about these that has them involved in so many crashes? Are they that difficult to fly? Are there some gotchas with them? A four-place Cirrus crashed yesterday near Greenwood, SC.  There were not many details in the paper this morning.  There were four on board, all killed.  It went down in a wooded area near a golf course shortly after takeoff.  There was no mention of a parachute deployment.  They had arrived a few hours before for a business meeting and did not refuel before takeoff, but in the picture it appeared that the aircraft was destroyed by fire after impact so there must have been fuel on board.

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I haven’t said it quite as strongly as that, but it was kind of how I felt after my SR20 experiences. OTOH the SR22 is a different kettle of fish, at least it has enough power. The sidestick is honestly no big deal, although the fact that the electric trim is so fast you can’t trim the plane for hands-off flying (and therefore have to use the autopilot) IS. I’m baffled by why the loss rate is so high for this airplane. My wife’s theory – which I am too polite to repeat – is that the plane attracts the wrong kind of pilot. Honestly it’s just about like any other plane to fly, it has its idiosyncracies but they’re no big deal. In any case if they carry on going down at the present rate they’ll soon be uninsurable.      John

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – But it’s the only airplane I’ve ever flown that I can say I truly hated and couldn’t wait to be back on the ground. Wow, you’re the only person I’ve ever heard say *THAT* about the Cirrus. What didn’t you like about the way it flew? — Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination"

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A four-place Cirrus crashed yesterday near Greenwood, SC.  There were not many details in the paper this morning.  There were four on board, all killed.  It went down in a wooded area near a golf course shortly after takeoff.  There was no mention of a parachute deployment.  They had arrived a few hours before for a business meeting and did not refuel before takeoff, but in the picture it appeared that the aircraft was destroyed by fire after impact so there must have been fuel on board.

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A four-place Cirrus crashed yesterday near Greenwood, SC.  There were not many details in the paper this morning.  There were four on board, all killed.  It went down in a wooded area near a golf course shortly after takeoff.  There was no mention of a parachute deployment.  They had arrived a few hours before for a business meeting and did not refuel before takeoff, but in the picture it appeared that the aircraft was destroyed by fire after impact so there must have been fuel on board.

Yup, as much as we put down the zzzz guy… it was on his site just after midnight last night, and this is the first I’ve seen it other than there…. — ET "A common mistake people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools."—- Douglas Adams

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What is it about these that has them involved in so many crashes? Are they that difficult to fly? Are there some gotchas with them? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A four-place Cirrus crashed yesterday near Greenwood, SC.  There were not many details in the paper this morning.  There were four on board, all killed.  It went down in a wooded area near a golf course shortly after takeoff.  There was no mention of a parachute deployment.  They had arrived a few hours before for a business meeting and did not refuel before takeoff, but in the picture it appeared that the aircraft was destroyed by fire after impact so there must have been fuel on board.

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What is it about these that has them involved in so many crashes? Are they that difficult to fly? Are there some gotchas with them?

Rusty pilots? — John T http://tknowlogy.com/TknoFlyer http://www.pocketgear.com/products_search.asp?developerid=4415

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What is it about these that has them involved in so many crashes? Are they that difficult to fly? Are there some gotchas with them? Rusty pilots? — John T http://tknowlogy.com/TknoFlyer http://www.pocketgear.com/products_search.asp?developerid=4415

Slick airframe, glass cockpit with an analog pilot and a goofy side-stick are a few problems.  A good plane for wannabe airline pilots who don’t like to look out the windows.  "Stall? It dosen’t say on this here tv screen that I’m in a stall…  Whoops, wrong channel…" Quality control seems to be on par with Lightspeed, meaning they’re in the shop more than a British car.  They look good and are very comfortable.  But it’s the only airplane I’ve ever flown that I can say I truly hated and couldn’t wait to be back on the ground.

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But it’s the only airplane I’ve ever flown that I can say I truly hated and couldn’t wait to be back on the ground.

Wow, you’re the only person I’ve ever heard say *THAT* about the Cirrus. What didn’t you like about the way it flew? — Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination"

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What is it about these that has them involved in so many crashes? Are they that difficult to fly? Are there some gotchas with them?

Thurman Munson syndrome?

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What is it about these that has them involved in so many crashes? Are they that difficult to fly? Are there some gotchas with them? Rusty pilots? — John T http://tknowlogy.com/TknoFlyer http://www.pocketgear.com/products_search.asp?developerid=4415 Slick airframe, glass cockpit with an analog pilot and a goofy side-stick are a few problems.  A good plane for wannabe airline pilots who don’t like to look out the windows.  "Stall? It dosen’t say on this here tv screen that I’m in a stall…  Whoops, wrong channel…" Quality control seems to be on par with Lightspeed, meaning they’re in the shop more than a British car.  They look good and are very comfortable.  But it’s the only airplane I’ve ever flown that I can say I truly hated and couldn’t wait to be back on the ground.

I’m brand new to avaition, I;ve only been behind the controls of 2 planes, each twice around the pattern:  One an SR22, and one 194- something ercoupe … but I liked the "goofy" sidestick… — ET "A common mistake people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools."—- Douglas Adams

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