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Since the 2004 election in Ohio has been discussed again here….and those who would suggest it’s "over" seem to deny there are still ongoing developments of any kind, I thought I’d share this bit I found on A.P. It’s excerpted from the end of an article regarding the State of Ohio’s recent purchase of touch screen voting machines, and the concern over their accuracy. Apparently, things are still moving along, though quietly. This won’t change anything of course…unless further investigation uncovers something. Even that won’t change the result, but next the next election may bring a tidal wave of anger votes… This is only the "tip of the iceberg", of what’s still going on in Ohio. "In Cleveland, up to 10 subpoenas have been issued in the handling of the presidential recount in December by the Cuyahoga County elections board, according to special prosecutor Kevin J. Baxter. The Erie County prosecutor said the investigation was in the fact-finding stage. The investigation was prompted by complaints from Green Party candidate David Cobb and Libertarian Party candidate Michael Badnarik. They claimed the sample recount precincts weren’t randomly selected and a test-run recount was done without witnesses. Cobb and Badnarik together received less than 0.5 percent of the vote in Ohio, which President Bush won to ensure his re-election."
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You lost. Get over it. LV
(the usual)
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You lost. Get over it. LV (the usual)
somebody, please make him say it again. I wanna see how many times we can make Lord Valve post "You lost. Get Over it." Winner gets a new roll of solder.
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did courageously avow: You lost. Get over it. LV (the usual)
You’re going to lose. Get ready for it. Ken Wilson Proud Owner of Lord Valve, PMG, John Wheaton, Claude Lucas, Freep the Xenophobe, Chuck, the rest of the Union of Rightwing Idiots Needing Explanations (URINE) and, at his own request, Karl Rovershank (aka Lars from Mars) Supporting the Troops at http://www.resisters.ca http://www.criticalhistory.com/
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You’re going to lose. Get ready for it.
Yawn. Heard it before; right here, all through the summer and fall of 2002 and 2004. You want quotes? ‘Cause I’m sure I can find you some. Lars
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You lost.
Nope. Having an election stolen isn’t the same as losing.
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Having an election stolen isn’t the same as losing.
Indeed not: claiming the latter wouldn’t necessarily be evidence of mental illness. Lars
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(the usual)
You’re annoying. Quit it. The Repair Guy http://repairguy1993.netfirms.com/
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message Having an election stolen isn’t the same as losing. Indeed not: claiming the latter wouldn’t
necessarily be evidence of mental illness. Lars
The only way the fraudulent Duh-bya adminsistration can "win" is either by cheating or telling lies to a bunch of credulous retards, morons and superstitious zealots who ironically had the right to vote.
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The only way the fraudulent Duh-bya adminsistration can "win" is either by cheating or telling lies to a bunch of credulous retards, morons and superstitious zealots who ironically had the right to vote.
Either that, or the only way a bunch of liberal losers can salve their battered egos over the utter rejection of their policies by the voting public time and time again, is the trap of thinking that everyone else but themselves must be stupid. I’ll take a real Honda over an empty parking place that some liberal SAYS contains a Ferrari, any day. Lars
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The only way the fraudulent Duh-bya adminsistration can "win" is either by cheating or telling lies to a bunch of credulous retards, morons and superstitious zealots who ironically had the right to vote. Either that, or the only way a bunch of liberal losers can salve their battered egos over the utter rejection of their policies by the voting public time and time again, is the trap of thinking that everyone else but themselves must be stupid. I’ll take a real Honda over an empty parking place that some liberal SAYS contains a Ferrari, any day. Lars
You’ll take a Honda because you can’t afford a Ferrari.
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courageously avow: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The only way the fraudulent Duh-bya adminsistration can "win" is either by cheating or telling lies to a bunch of credulous retards, morons and superstitious zealots who ironically had the right to vote. Either that, or the only way a bunch of liberal losers can salve their battered egos over the utter rejection of their policies by the voting public time and time again, is the trap of thinking that everyone else but themselves must be stupid. I’ll take a real Honda over an empty parking place that some liberal SAYS contains a Ferrari, any day. Lars You’ll take a Honda because you can’t afford a Ferrari.
I see him as more Yugo material myself. That’s if he can get a deal on a used one. Ken Wilson Proud Owner of Lord Valve, PMG, John Wheaton, Claude Lucas, Freep the Xenophobe, Chuck, the rest of the Union of Rightwing Idiots Needing Explanations (URINE) and, at his own request, Karl Rovershank (aka Lars from Mars) Supporting the Troops at http://www.resisters.ca http://www.criticalhistory.com/
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You’ll take a Honda because you can’t afford a Ferrari.
Have you *priced* a Honda NS-X lately? Wasn’t THAT long ago you *could* buy a Ferrari with that money. I’m happy enough with mine. It turns heads, goes like stink, and sticks in a turn like ugly on a zootwoman. If you’ll pardon the expression, Lars
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You’ll take a Honda because you can’t afford a Ferrari. Have you *priced* a Honda NS-X lately? Wasn’t THAT long ago you *could* buy a Ferrari with that money. I’m happy enough with mine. It turns heads, goes like stink, and sticks in a turn like ugly on a zootwoman. If you’ll pardon the expression, Lars
I’ll pardon your expression but only because you asked. I drive a Cooper Mini S. dark silver with white racing stripes. It sucks the road like…..wellllll I’ll leave it to your imagination old man.
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I drive a Cooper Mini S.
Heh. So it turns out you’re a lot farther from being able to afford a Ferrari than I am. Funny that someone who has to drive one of those, is worrying and talking about what luxuries OTHERS can and can’t afford. Let me guess: YOU’RE not a liberal either, right? It is to laugh. Lars
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I drive a Cooper Mini S. Heh. So it turns out you’re a lot farther from being able to afford a Ferrari than I am. Funny that someone who has to drive one of those, is worrying and talking about what luxuries OTHERS can and can’t afford. Let me guess: YOU’RE not a liberal either, right? It is to laugh. Lars
I drive it because I like it. It’s fun to drive, it’s easy on the gas and I have hauled as much as 42 gallons of paint in it. I wouldn’t buy a Ferrari because it doesn’t appeal to me. There are a lot of cars i would not buy. I would not buy a Mercedes. I might buy a Beemer. I have bought Saabs. I might buy a Swatch car for fashion kicks if Mercedes ever makes it. You know, Sam Walton never drove a new car or truck. What does Bill Gates drive? This article doesn’t actually say but Bill Gates says that money doesn’t have meaning. PLAYBOY: Even though your parents are well off on their own, how have they reacted to your extreme wealth? GATES: I don’t show it to them. I hide it from them. I have it buried in the lawn. It’s bulging a little bit, and I hope it doesn’t rain. PLAYBOY: Bad bet, living in Seattle. GATES: My money is meaningless to them. Meaningless. It has no effect on anything I do with my parents. [Pauses] If somebody’s sick we can get the best doctors, so it has that impact. But we talk about things that money doesn’t affect. PLAYBOY: We’re not suggesting that you talk only about money. GATES: We never talk about money. PLAYBOY: Does your net worth of multi-billions, despite the fact that it’s mostly in stock and the value varies daily, boggle your mind? GATES: It’s a ridiculous number. But remember, 95 percent of it I’m just going to give away. [Smiles] Don’t tell people to write me letters. I’m saving that for when I’m in my 50s. It’s a lot to give away and it’s going to take time. PLAYBOY: Where will you donate it? GATES: To charitable things, scientific things. I don’t believe in burdening any children I might have with that. They’ll have enough. They’ll be comfortable. PLAYBOY: Youll give them only a billion, maybe? GATES: No, no, are you kidding? Nothing like that. One percent of that. PLAYBOY: But they’ll grow up thinking, Gee, if Dad leaves me some of the money. . . . GATES: I’ll make it clear that it’ll be a modest amount. PLAYBOY: So you want them to be as self-made as you? GATES: No, that’s not the point. The point is that ridiculous sums of money can be confusing. PLAYBOY: In general, or only to the young or inexperienced? GATES: I think to anyone. PLAYBOY: Is it confusing to you? GATES: I’m very well grounded because of my parents and my job and what I believe in. Some people ask me why I don’t own a plane, for instance. Why? Because you can get used to that kind of stuff, and I think that’s bad. It takes you away from normal experiences in a way that is probably debilitating. So I control that kind of thing intentionally. It’s one of those discipline things. If my discipline ever broke down it would confuse me, too. So I try to prevent that. PLAYBOY: So why not give the kid a billion dollars and let him try to control it as well? GATES: Not earning it yourself, knowing you have it from a young age, being so different in that respect from the other kids you grow up with, would be very confusing. PLAYBOY: Won’t your being their dad be confusing enough? GATES: I will seek to minimize that in every way possible. I’ll be as creative as I can. That experience is bad for a kid. PLAYBOY: How do you entertain yourself with your money? GATES: I swallow quarters, burn dollar bills, that kind of thing. I mean, when I buy golf balls I buy used golf balls, and that entertains me. Ha, ha, ha. PLAYBOY: Seriously. GATES: I’m building a house. It has serious functions, but entertainment is most of it. It has a screening room. And I’m putting in these huge video screens and buying the digital rights to the world’s masterpieces and all sorts of art. I guess that’s indulgent. PLAYBOY: Rumor has it the house is mostly underground. GATES: Completely false. PLAYBOY: When will it be done? GATES: I thought it would take four years. It will take five, then I’ll move into the project. PLAYBOY: What else entertains you? GATES: I like to learn. I like puzzles. Ive even played some golf the past year and a half, because everybody else in my family does. Actually, right now I’m a little addicted. I get a kick out of being out there on the green grass. I’m just getting into the 90s now. PLAYBOY: We hear you don’t watch TV. GATES: I do watch television. I don’t have any TVs with their over-the-air receivers connected in my house. But when I’m in a hotel room or other places that have a TV, then I turn it on and flip the channels just like everybody else. I was watching cartoons on Nickelodeon on Sunday. Its amazing. PLAYBOY: What was on? GATES: Ren & Stimpy and Rugrats. Great! Cartoons have improved a lot since I was a kid. I’m not immune to the lures of television. I just try to stay away from it because I like to read. PLAYBOY: What do you read? GATES: The Economist, every page. Also The Wall Street Journal and Business Week. And I read Time. If I’m traveling, every once in a while I’ll pick up an issue of People. I read USA Today. PLAYBOY: What’s the most random thing you read? GATES: Fiction. That’s true randomness. My older sister has read all the trashy books. So, occasionally, I have her recommend one. Otherwise, I’m in the same traffic as everybody else. I’m in the same airplane delay as everybody else. I sit in the same coach seat as everybody else. Yeah, I’m here in meetings all day. Here at Microsoft I work hard. There are a lot of experiences I haven’t had. There are a lot of sitcoms I haven’t seen. I haven’t had a child yet. There are religions I don’t belong to. I think we all have our own slice of life. I eat at McDonald’s more than most people, but that’s because I don’t cook. PLAYBOY: You’re back to eating meat? GATES: Yes. That was only a three-year period when I was proving to myself I could do it. But in terms of fast food and deep understanding of the culture of fast food, I’m your man. PLAYBOY: Jack-in-the-Box? McDonald’s? GATES: Well, McDonald’s is more pervasive around here. We also have Jack-in-the-Box. I’m not the kind of guy who decides that just because a few people got sick, it’s necessarily going to happen to me. It wasn’t very crowded for a while, but I thought that was fine. PLAYBOY: The recent biographies of Bill Gates and Microsoft, Gates and Hard Drive, both explore the mythology that’s developed about your quirks, habits and exploits. We’d like to sort the actual from the apocryphal. GATES: Fine. PLAYBOY: We’ll start with an easy one. It’s always written that you rock compulsively in your chair, and we can attest that you’re doing it now and have been for most of this interview. GATES: Right. PLAYBOY: What about your penchant for driving fast and accumulating speeding tickets? GATES: [Smiles] I get fewer speeding tickets than I used to. PLAYBOY: Did you once get a cop fired for giving you a speeding ticket? GATES: Thats false. PLAYBOY: What about the story that while driving from Albuquerque to Seattle, you got three speeding tickets in one day from the same cop? GATES: No, no, no. I’ve always told the truth about that one. I got twospeeding tickets from the same cop. Two. Not three. I got three tickets on the drive, but only two from the same cop. But I don’t think anybody ever suggested that I said I got three from the same cop. PLAYBOY: There’s the story that your mother chooses your clothes and helps you color-coordinate by pinning them together this from a former girlfriend, who seems to repeat it without incurring your disapproval. GATES: There was one point in my life when my mother was trying to explain to me about what color shirt to wear with what ties. But this goes way back. And I think people listen to their mother’s advice when it relates to fashion. It’s not an area in which I claim to know more than she does. And it’s not that much effort to pick one shirt versus the other. I don’t look down at the color I’m wearing during the day. So if it pleases other people that I know a little bit more about which shirt to pick with which tie, thats fine. At that time I didn’t know much about it. I think I know a little bit about it now, but below average. PLAYBOY: Is it true that you cornered the market in McGovern-Eagleton buttons after Eagleton was dumped as a running mate? GATES: It’s certainly true that I made a lot of money selling McGovern-Eagleton campaign buttons. I’ll be glad to show them to you, but I don’t think it matters how much I made. It doesn’t aggrandize me when things get less and less accurate the farther they get from the source. PLAYBOY: Next: the $242 that you supposedly paid for a pizza to be delivered one night. GATES: That is just reporters’ randomness to the max. PLAYBOY: Did you have a million-dollar trust fund while you were at Harvard? GATES: Not true. [Throws up his hands, stands and starts pacing] Where does this randomness come from? You think it’s a better myth to have started with a bunch of money and made money than to have started without? In what sense? My parents are very successful, and I went to the nicest private school in the Seattle area. I was lucky. But I never had any trust funds of any kind, though my dad did pay my tuition at Harvard, which was quite expensive. PLAYBOY: How did he feel when you dropped out? GATES: I told him it was a leave of absence, that I was going back. PLAYBOY: Nice move. GATES: Hey, if I had completely failed I would have gone back, of course. Harvard was willing to take me back. I was a student on leave. PLAYBOY: When you were at Harvard, did you frequent the Combat Zone, home of hookers, drugs and adult films? GATES: That’s true. [Laughs] But just because I went there doesn’t mean I … read more »
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I drive it because I like it. It’s fun to drive, it’s easy on the gas and I have hauled as much as 42 gallons of paint in it. I wouldn’t buy a Ferrari because it doesn’t appeal to me. There are a lot of cars i would not buy. I would not buy a Mercedes. [more boring self-justifying along these lines snipped...]
Presumably because you couldn’t afford them. It must be, since it was the only reason you could imagine for MY not driving a Ferrari. And they say *we Republicans* are money-obsessed… I guess now we know why they say it. That was fun. Lars
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no, I was insulting you and THAT Lars is a non-partisan endeavor, a universal reaction to insultees, unless you’re Ghandi. That was fun too.
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I’ll pardon your expression but only because you asked. I drive a Cooper Mini S. dark silver with white racing stripes. It sucks the road like…..wellllll I’ll leave it to your imagination old man.
OK, those are *cool* little cars! I see them driving around and one of these days, I’m going to have to take a closer look. It’s good to hear they are easy on the gas, too. My current car gets *very* good mileage. I’ve been resisting getting a newere one, mainly for that very reason (38 mpg–highway). Mike
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courageously avow: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ll pardon your expression but only because you asked. I drive a Cooper Mini S. dark silver with white racing stripes. It sucks the road like…..wellllll I’ll leave it to your imagination old man. OK, those are *cool* little cars! I see them driving around and one of these days, I’m going to have to take a closer look. It’s good to hear they are easy on the gas, too. My current car gets *very* good mileage. I’ve been resisting getting a newere one, mainly for that very reason (38 mpg–highway). Mike
My Sportster gets 55 mpg, in town. And half the number of wheels is twice as much fun. Ken Wilson Proud Owner of Lord Valve, PMG, John Wheaton, Claude Lucas, Freep the Xenophobe, Chuck, the rest of the Union of Rightwing Idiots Needing Explanations (URINE) and, at his own request, Karl Rovershank (aka Lars from Mars) Supporting the Troops at http://www.resisters.ca http://www.criticalhistory.com/
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I say easy but since it’s supercharged, it ain’t all that easy. Just 31 highway. If you are very serious about gas milage – there are better cars. I am really getting a kick out of all the whining at the hardware store about gas prices. It’s up to $2.75 here. All those suburbans and F150s parked outside next to my Mini – anyway easy is relative. I liked the lines of the HOnda Insight, it reminded me of my first Saab, a Saab 96. I tried to look at the Insight but the Austin Honda dealer I went to didn’t want to sell it to me and he didn’t have any on the lot. His attitude was why would I want a two seater car? (I bought my Mini 2002). I decided I needed more trunk space than the Insight (as I said I could haul 45 gallons of paint in the back of that Mini – looks are deceiving) and I don’t mind admitting that the interior did it for me, it is totally cool design. I get suckered by design all the time. And I am having fun driving it. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ll pardon your expression but only because you asked. I drive a Cooper Mini S. dark silver with white racing stripes. It sucks the road like…..wellllll I’ll leave it to your imagination old man. OK, those are *cool* little cars! I see them driving around and one of these days, I’m going to have to take a closer look. It’s good to hear they are easy on the gas, too. My current car gets *very* good mileage. I’ve been resisting getting a newere one, mainly for that very reason (38 mpg–highway). Mike
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courageously avow: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I say easy but since it’s supercharged, it ain’t all that easy. Just 31 highway. If you are very serious about gas milage – there are better cars. I am really getting a kick out of all the whining at the hardware store about gas prices. It’s up to $2.75 here. All those suburbans and F150s parked outside next to my Mini – anyway easy is relative. I liked the lines of the HOnda Insight, it reminded me of my first Saab, a Saab 96. I tried to look at the Insight but the Austin Honda dealer I went to didn’t want to sell it to me and he didn’t have any on the lot. His attitude was why would I want a two seater car? (I bought my Mini 2002). I decided I needed more trunk space than the Insight (as I said I could haul 45 gallons of paint in the back of that Mini – looks are deceiving) and I don’t mind admitting that the interior did it for me, it is totally cool design. I get suckered by design all the time. And I am having fun driving it.
How do you deal with those whiners about gas prices? Ask them to calculate what they’re paying for bottled water and see how much they bitch. Particularly when tap water in North America is safe for the most part. Bottled water still costs more than gasoline here in Canada. And we’re not even talking the designer types for the really snooty. Ken Wilson Proud Owner of Lord Valve, PMG, John Wheaton, Claude Lucas, Freep the Xenophobe, Chuck, the rest of the Union of Rightwing Idiots Needing Explanations (URINE) and, at his own request, Karl Rovershank (aka Lars from Mars) Supporting the Troops at http://www.resisters.ca http://www.criticalhistory.com/