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I have decided to quit harping on the issue of Mike Dalecki’s sig line and whether it constitutes abuse of the rules against SPAM. I explained my position there but I have been persuaded by reasonable voices that it’s a losing battle. So, no more mention of that. I also said that I would repost my article accusing Mike of being a spammer in any thread where someone was getting beaten up for spamming. Threats are well, threatening, and not a good thing. Some people interpreted this incorrectly though, there was never an intention to follow Mike around, making his life miserable ie stalking Mike. The threat was that *in the event of someone getting beaten up about spamming* I would post the "Mike article" in *that thread*, just to point out that Mike’s spamming was also a fact, maybe worse because of the cloaked nature of it. Anyway, threats are cancelled, at least the ones with a defined trigger that doesn’t involve something that Mike does or says. If I see him promoting anything he has or might have for sale, depend on me to speak up. I think commercial influences should stay out of these discussion groups or all is lost. Spamming aside, Mike has a real tendency to try to control the agenda on the discussion group. I think any golf related topic is valid here, everybody’s opinion is "grist for the mill". Diversity of opinion is a good thing, something to be encouraged. Personally I believe that swing mechanics threads are entertaining, occasionally useful, more often not. I don’t think anyone who has played golf for a significant length of time believes that there is "one true way". People cannot guarantee success by sticking to lessons from one pro, from reading and religiously following the swing threads here, from reading golf magazines or by spending endless solitary hours on the practice tee. You have to watch for things the might be useful and try them to see if they work for you. Which things? Aye, there’s the rub. There’s a huge amount of "chaff" to winnow through to find the useful stuff. It may be that a 90 shooter might say something that works very well for a 75 shooter. I’d bet money that Tiger reads the golf tips in the mags too, by the way. Open minded people are always in the hunt looking for something that might work for them. I think the swing threads here fit into that broad view. There just may be a nugget or two for someone in the chaff. They are sometimes very entertaining as well. Anyway, it’s a free and open discussion group, people should not get smeared as "hacks" for posting there. Incidentally, I have shot 70 (gross) in competition on a course that has hosted national championships, played in a national tournament and a provincial Open and many unflighted amateurs. So, Mike – your methodology is unsound because I have made posts to swing threads. I would even forgive methodological errors though, if they didn’t come in such a smarmy, condescending package. So, don’t look for me to curl up at Mike’s feet, hanging on his every word. I think some of what he says is reasonable enough but his tendency to espouse the "one true way" model I think is wrongheaded. When he tries to squelch legitimate threads by smear tactics he is showing his evil side. When he tries to sneak in promotion of products he has to sell he is showing his commercial side. Good, bad, bad – that’s my overall review of Mike. The subject line is a reference to the IBM ad, about a business executive who wasn’t able to change fast enough and became obsolete. When contemplating his alternatives to this sorry situation (being taken over vs perishing) he said stubbornly "I’d rather perish". In the context of my stance on this news group I definitely choose not to be "acquired" ie join the herd that worships Mike and hangs on his every word. I think he’s kind of a conceited jackass myself (but that’s just my opinion). I also don’t intend to perish either. I intend to accept my responsibility as a citizen of the group to express my opinions and read other peoples opinions and cast my democratic vote on stuff that concerns the health of the group. I have learned how to make a major improvement in my putting here. Worth the effort of going through all this malarkey, I’d say. Post away lurkers. Stick to your guns, cross handed advocates. Good golf, everyone. jmkanes
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<clip extraneous, egotistical shit Hunc tu caveto, non compos mentis. ___ o ’ | / . "Someone likes every shot" bk Troll intolerant. I took the RSG 2002 Pledge. Ignore them and they’ll go away.
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I have decided to quit harping on the issue of Mike Dalecki’s sig line and whether it constitutes abuse of the rules against SPAM.
Rest of posting snipped for brevity I have an idea, Why don’t you just plonk Mike and never see his posts? That way you won’t be put into the position of feeling you have to read them to police his postings, and the rest of us can continue on with RSG. I intend to put you where I suggest you put Mike, in the killfile. Rick
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I pretty much don’t read any post that goes over 25 lines. If it can’t be summed up in less than that, then the person just likes to type. I think you may have made a point, but it was probably somewhere near the end of your diatribe, so I missed it. -G
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I have decided to quit harping on the issue of Mike Dalecki’s sig line
Nobody cares. HTH — Bob Andrews
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I pretty much don’t read any post that goes over 25 lines.
Hell, that eliminates just about all of Randy’s posts!! 
Dave Clary/Corpus Christi, Tx Home: http://home.stx.rr.com/dclary RSG Roll Call http://www.rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=claryd
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Mike has a real tendency to try to control the agenda on the discussion group.
Can you give an example of him trying to control the agenda? He’s made observations about swing mechanics thread and expressed an opinion about them. Can you quote one of his messages where he says he doesn’t want anyone posting any? I’ll save you the trouble–the answer is no. Exclusive of more looney writing in your latest post, you said some things I agree with about swing threads. I’m glad they are here. I think it’s possible they may actually help someone. But in no way do I feel an irresistible force from Wisconsin trying to take over my PC and stop me from participating. NO ONE controls what’s posted here outside of the rare post that may violate the poster’s ISP’s TOS. Dave Clary/Corpus Christi, Tx Home: http://home.stx.rr.com/dclary RSG Roll Call http://www.rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=claryd
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I’d bet money that Tiger reads the golf tips in the mags too, by the way. Open minded people are always in the hunt looking for something that might work for them.
I’d take that bet. Once you’ve read the golf mags for a number of years, you’ve read it all. There is no need to subscribe to any of them for more than a year or so because they simply re-write their stories over and over and over …. It is kinda fun to watch December’s big tip, which totally contradicts what they said in July. On the other hand, I can see Tiger, cuddled up with Elin by his side, reading Golf Digest’s latest spread and laughing his ass off. "Phil Mickelson …. How I gained 30 yards!" "David Duval’s Tips on the Mental Game." "Chip it Close Like DLIII."
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I’d take that bet.
I would too. There are only four recurring themes in all golf magazines: 1. How to get more power and hit it further 2. How to stop a slice 3. How to get it closer from the fringe/rough/bunker 4. how to putt better That’s all they’ve been re-hashing for the last few decades. — Cheers Colin Wilson RSG Roll Call: http://rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=wilsonc Trentham Golf Club: http://www.trenthamgolf.com
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: : Mike has a real tendency to try to control the agenda on :the discussion group. : :Can you give an example of him trying to control the agenda? He’s made 
bservations about swing mechanics thread and expressed an opinion about them. :Can you quote one of his messages where he says he doesn’t want anyone posting :any? I’ll save you the trouble–the answer is no. : :Exclusive of more looney writing in your latest post, you said some things I :agree with about swing threads. I’m glad they are here. I think it’s possible :they may actually help someone. But in no way do I feel an irresistible force :from Wisconsin trying to take over my PC and stop me from participating. NO ONE :controls what’s posted here outside of the rare post that may violate the :poster’s ISP’s TOS. : 
ave Clary/Corpus Christi, Tx :Home: http://home.stx.rr.com/dclary :RSG Roll Call http://www.rec-sport-golf.com/members/?rollcall=claryd : quote from Nov 2, 2003 at 10:49:47 If you look at the very best golfers who post here, ask yourself how many post swing advice (David Laville is an exception, but his posts tend to be more an explaining of the mechanics). Virtually none of the best golfers here post swing advice. There must be a lesson in that somewhere. Mike unquote I think that was the comment that started a small tear in my bunghole. There may be more posts that develop this theme, I think I recall one that showed a bit of pique and offered suggestions about what the *valid* topics were, one of which was clubmaking. He has made a major thesis out of the comment quoted above with his last big opus – Nov 23, 7:56 pm. I wondered at the time how he knew who were the best golfers amongst the posters. I viewed it then as I view it now, as an implication that if you post to swing threads, you must not be a good golfer. That is not likely to encourage anyone to post to them, don’t you think? Obviously, Mike is not going to come right out and say "no one will be allowed to post to swing threads". People would wake up and tell him to go fuck himself. These things take finesse. This comment was not something that I would have commented on, until I started to get suspicious that he was trying to steer discussion to stuff that was more, um, valuable to *him*. Then I saw the great review on the clangomatic and I started to get more suspicious. I still wasn’t ready to comment though. quote from Nov 15 15:58:08 post by Mike re clangomatic Played today. Played part of the time w/ one of the longest hitters at our club, somebody who’s routinely 40+ yards further than I am. Only not any more. I outdrove everybody today with the BoM, repeatedly and consistently, people that only a couple months ago I could rarely match. Only a couple of times was I not the long ball. I hit 10 out of 13 fairways, and two of the times I missed, they were close misses. One bad yank, but that was me, not the club. Even so, I hit the green from where it ended up. This club is wonderfully long on sweet-spot hits, and plenty long enough on mishits off the heel or toe. On a mishit I can expect to get approximately 220 yards, more than serviceable. By the end of the day, I had them asking me to try it. If I were you, I wouldn’t even fool w/ the Integra. Get the BoM. unquote. (forgot to copy "Mike" at the end) There was more good news from Mike on the Clangomatic in his year end summary of all the things that contributed to his successful year. Go look it up if you care to do so. It was the beating that Nicolas took that pissed me off and caused me to accuse Mike of being a spammer – just to make people aware that it was an issue, maybe. Why should Mike get a free ride while his buddies take some poor guy into the alley for a shit kicking? Before I posted I let myself get real worked up about a guy posting here in a golf group while sporting a "hey, I make golf clubs" type url in his signature. Always great to hear from you Dave. jmkanes
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This is not directed just at you, but at posts like yours in general (long). I love golf, and I love reading clever words resulting from a sharp mind, but no matter how well written a post is, you lose me about 2-3 paragraphs in….. Sometime the most effective way to prove a point is to make the observation, state the evidence to support it, and then walk away….the "bright lights" will understand and probably agree with you, and the "dim bulbs" won’t be helped by 4-5 more paragraphs of enlightenment, anyway….
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have decided to quit harping on the issue of Mike Dalecki’s sig line and whether it constitutes abuse of the rules against SPAM. I explained my position there but I have been persuaded by reasonable voices that it’s a losing battle. So, no more mention of that. I also said that I would repost my article accusing Mike of being a spammer in any thread where someone was getting beaten up for spamming. Threats are well, threatening, and not a good thing. Some people interpreted this incorrectly though, there was never an intention to follow Mike around, making his life miserable ie stalking Mike. The threat was that *in the event of someone getting beaten up about spamming* I would post the "Mike article" in *that thread*, just to point out that Mike’s spamming was also a fact, maybe worse because of the cloaked nature of it. Anyway, threats are cancelled, at least the ones with a defined trigger that doesn’t involve something that Mike does or says. If I see him promoting anything he has or might have for sale, depend on me to speak up. I think commercial influences should stay out of these discussion groups or all is lost. Spamming aside, Mike has a real tendency to try to control the agenda on the discussion group. I think any golf related topic is valid here, everybody’s opinion is "grist for the mill". Diversity of opinion is a good thing, something to be encouraged. Personally I believe that swing mechanics threads are entertaining, occasionally useful, more often not. I don’t think anyone who has played golf for a significant length of time believes that there is "one true way". People cannot guarantee success by sticking to lessons from one pro, from reading and religiously following the swing threads here, from reading golf magazines or by spending endless solitary hours on the practice tee. You have to watch for things the might be useful and try them to see if they work for you. Which things? Aye, there’s the rub. There’s a huge amount of "chaff" to winnow through to find the useful stuff. It may be that a 90 shooter might say something that works very well for a 75 shooter. I’d bet money that Tiger reads the golf tips in the mags too, by the way. Open minded people are always in the hunt looking for something that might work for them. I think the swing threads here fit into that broad view. There just may be a nugget or two for someone in the chaff. They are sometimes very entertaining as well. Anyway, it’s a free and open discussion group, people should not get smeared as "hacks" for posting there. Incidentally, I have shot 70 (gross) in competition on a course that has hosted national championships, played in a national tournament and a provincial Open and many unflighted amateurs. So, Mike – your methodology is unsound because I have made posts to swing threads. I would even forgive methodological errors though, if they didn’t come in such a smarmy, condescending package. So, don’t look for me to curl up at Mike’s feet, hanging on his every word. I think some of what he says is reasonable enough but his tendency to espouse the "one true way" model I think is wrongheaded. When he tries to squelch legitimate threads by smear tactics he is showing his evil side. When he tries to sneak in promotion of products he has to sell he is showing his commercial side. Good, bad, bad – that’s my overall review of Mike. The subject line is a reference to the IBM ad, about a business executive who wasn’t able to change fast enough and became obsolete. When contemplating his alternatives to this sorry situation (being taken over vs perishing) he said stubbornly "I’d rather perish". In the context of my stance on this news group I definitely choose not to be "acquired" ie join the herd that worships Mike and hangs on his every word. I think he’s kind of a conceited jackass myself (but that’s just my opinion). I also don’t intend to perish either. I intend to accept my responsibility as a citizen of the group to express my opinions and read other peoples opinions and cast my democratic vote on stuff that concerns the health of the group. I have learned how to make a major improvement in my putting here. Worth the effort of going through all this malarkey, I’d say. Post away lurkers. Stick to your guns, cross handed advocates. Good golf, everyone. jmkanes
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@aol.com says… : :Tiger is pretty curious :about techniques and it’s just possible he scans the golf mags. That’s :where I saw the great tip about not moving "yer bum when you putt". You :claimed original ownership of that I think by saying "move your butt and :miss the putt". I think golf magazines tips are a lot of chaff for a :few grains of wheat, that’s for sure. That putting tip was worth 2 yrs :subscription price to me though, easily. To bad I didn’t hear it from :you – why was that anyway? : ude, you don’t expect me to give away all my secrets, do ya? : Good point. Nassau bets, presses, double quad quintiple presses. 2 foot putt. You’re right. Randy was pretty generous though, must have got him in a senile moment.
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Despite what you may think I don’t enjoy this. I’m more from the Rodney King school–normally.
You’re a drunken wife-beater who can’t drive for shit?
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