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Thanks to all who replied! The ball was definitely above the hazard so it was "in the hazard". He was right…..I was wrong, learned something new today. later, dale
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sunday afternoon my partner topped his tee shot. The ball came to rest on a wooden cart bridge. There was no relief available within the one club length that you would normally take from a cart path. <clip What was the proper play??? There are no local rules that apply AFAIK. later, dale If the ball was lying within the hazard (even though on the bridge) no relief is permitted.
I’m sure that you mean no free relief. He could certainly replay from his previous area, or take a drop with a penalty. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sunday afternoon my partner topped his tee shot. The ball came to rest on a wooden cart bridge. There was no relief available within the one club length that you would normally take from a cart path. I told him he could take the nearest point of relief, not nearer the hole. He refused relief citing his experience in a junior tournament last year. In the tournament, relief was not granted and the ball was played off the bridge. He chose to putt the ball forward off the bridge. What was the proper play??? There are no local rules that apply AFAIK. later, dale
If the ball was lying within the hazard (even though on the bridge) no relief is permitted. Tony FIAC Should have been easy, but its golf "A day without hitting golf balls, is a day longer to getting better" – Hennie Bogan "Hogan was really talkative today. Yeah? What’d he say? You’re still out!"
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BTW – If you play a ball off a wooden cart bridge use an iron with NO bounce; a no bounce wedge will get a shot airborne off such a lie – true! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sunday afternoon my partner topped his tee shot. The ball came to rest on a wooden cart bridge. There was no relief available within the one club length that you would normally take from a cart path.
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Playing the ball off the bridge is legal, it happened a couple weeks ago on either the PGA or the senior PGA Tour. It was raher interesting. . . . . The Pro elected to play it as it lied from the bridge and played a good shot. I believe (not positive) that about the only other alternative would be to declare the ball unplayable and proceed under one of those options. Or maybe of it lies "in a defined hazard" then there might be an option. wayne – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Sunday afternoon my partner topped his tee shot. The ball came to rest on a wooden cart bridge. There was no relief available within the one club length that you would normally take from a cart path. I told him he could take the nearest point of relief, not nearer the hole. He refused relief citing his experience in a junior tournament last year. In the tournament, relief was not granted and the ball was played off the bridge. He chose to putt the ball forward off the bridge. What was the proper play??? There are no local rules that apply AFAIK. later, dale
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Sunday afternoon my partner topped his tee shot. The ball came to rest on a wooden cart bridge. There was no relief available within the one club length that you would normally take from a cart path.
You are not limited to one club length. You find the nearest point of relief where the cartpath does not interfere with your stance and swing, then drop within a club length of that point, no nearer the hole. Have a look at the definition of "nearest point of relief" under Rule 24 Obstructions. I told him he could take the nearest point of relief, not nearer the hole. He refused relief citing his experience in a junior tournament last year. In the tournament, relief was not granted and the ball was played off the bridge. He chose to putt the ball forward off the bridge. What was the proper play??? There are no local rules that apply AFAIK.
Bridges normally (but not always) cross water hazards. By definition, the boundary of a water hazard extends vertically upward. So the first thing to determine is whether the ball is within the boundaries of a water hazard or not. For instance, sometimes the ends of a bridge might be outside the hazard boundary, but the centre of the bridge might be inside. You normally tell this by the line of hazard stakes. So the procedure is: 1. If the ball is *within a water hazard*, you don’t get relief from the bridge, since it is an immoveable obstruction in a water hazard (see Rule 24-2b). You can play the ball as it lies without penalty, or take the normal relief options from a water hazard as per Rule 26 with a one stroke penalty. (BTW, if you decide to play the ball as it lies, you can "ground" your club on the bridge, since basically it’s not considered to be "the ground".) 2. If the ball is *not within a water hazard*, then you can take the normal relief, without penalty, from an immoveable obstruction through Rule 24-2 i.e. find the nearest point that gives you relief from interference, then drop within a clublength, not nearer the hole. The reason your partner didn’t get relief in the tournament he cited is that 1. above probably applied i.e. the ball was deemed to be within the water hazard. Cheers Colin Wilson RSG Roll Call: http://u1.netgate.net/~kirby34/rsg/wilsonc.htm Trentham Golf Club: http://www.trenthamgolf.com
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Sunday afternoon my partner topped his tee shot. The ball came to rest on a wooden cart bridge. There was no relief available within the one club length that you would normally take from a cart path. I told him he could take the nearest point of relief, not nearer the hole. He refused relief citing his experience in a junior tournament last year. In the tournament, relief was not granted and the ball was played off the bridge. He chose to putt the ball forward off the bridge. What was the proper play??? There are no local rules that apply AFAIK. later, dale
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Dale, Assuming that the bridge is there because it crosses a hazard, his ball is considered in the hazard since the boundaries of a hazard extend upward. He can then proceed under the options available to him depending on whether the stakes marking the hazard are red or yellow. Kenny – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Sunday afternoon my partner topped his tee shot. The ball came to rest on a wooden cart bridge. There was no relief available within the one club length that you would normally take from a cart path. I told him he could take the nearest point of relief, not nearer the hole. He refused relief citing his experience in a junior tournament last year. In the tournament, relief was not granted and the ball was played off the bridge. He chose to putt the ball forward off the bridge. What was the proper play??? There are no local rules that apply AFAIK. later, dale
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<< The ball came to rest on a wooden cart bridge. I told him he could take the nearest point of relief, not nearer the hole. He refused relief citing his experience in a junior tournament last year. In the tournament, relief was not granted and the ball was played off the bridge. He chose to putt the ball forward off the bridge. What was the proper play??? Yes, he was correct. The bridge is part of the hazard. There is no relief. See rule 24-2b. Wendy