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Use any kind of tape, or the chalk (builder’s plumb line chalk — a bottle is used for refills, costs a couple bucks, and has a neck less than the diameter of the golf ball
I bought a bottle of the blue plumb-line chalk today at Home Depot for $1 and put it in my golf bag to try out over the next few days. I had earlier tried some baby powder but it proved too hard for me to see on the golf ball. KPH
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My what? 3-iron? Hmm…. oh yeah – that club I leave in the living room. The longest iron I hit regularly is the 5, which is – and always has been – inconsistent. When I’m in a groove hitting the ball I get about 180 carry out of it, and in the aforementioned range session I hit it a few times about that well. My short irons are great, my middle irons are okay, my long irons are at home, and my woods are pure crap. I’ll try using a weaker grip – I do use a pretty strong grip.
Yeah. The reason I asked is I had a friend who had a very strong grip, and used a big forward press, and was able to hit his 7 iron 200 yds. Unfortunately, he couldn’t get the long irons and woods off the ground because he was severely de-lofting. A strong grip is good, but it can be over-done. If you make a grip change, be aware that you will have to also fix another compensation at the same time in order to keep the ball going straight. I would also try out George’s suggestion about checking the impact on the clubface. Before you buy.
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Chris: the use of impact tape or chalk on the ball will imprint EXACTLY on the clubface of your driver where you are hitting it. You will find proof of your loss of distance when you do that, and my guess is that your mishits will be on the toe. Toe hits are the worst in terms of loss of distance. Do me a favor: make the test next time at the range. Use any kind of tape, or the chalk (builder’s plumb line chalk — a bottle is used for refills, costs a couple bucks, and has a neck less than the diameter of the golf ball that you moisten and hold against the opened top to get chalk on it. Wipe off the excess back into the bottle and it leaves the dimples filled. Then position the ball on the tee with the blue or red spot facing the driver’s impact angle.) If you are hitting on the toe, before you hit your next shot, set up exactly the same and then have someone move the ball 1 inche closer to your feet before your takeaway. DO NOT CHANGE ANYTHING ABOUT YOUR STANCE. JUST GO AND SWING AS USUAL AND AIM AT THE BALL AS USUAL. ALL YOU ARE CHANGING IS HOW FAR THE BALL IS FROM YOUR FEET. If you hit on the heel, reduce the adjusted ball position. If you are still on the toe, try moving the ball even closer to your feet, same way. I don’t know if this will cure it, but for 90% of my pupils, it does. For reasons posted several times here. And then report back with your results. It also works to repair "long iron" blues, for the same reasons. But do the test first with your driver and 3 wood. George
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Lately I’ve been in a horrible slump. Shooting in the mid to high 80s when I’m accustomed to breaking 80 more often than not. The main problem seems to be getting off the tee. I cannot hit any of my woods to save my life. But I’m killing my irons, getting better distance and about the same accuracy than I ever have. These are the same woods I’ve been playing most of the summer (Big Bertha 3+, 4, 7). I hit them all about 150 yards carry, and get 30 – 50 yards roll. For reference, I get 150 yards carry with a well struck 8 iron. At the range today, I was hitting my 7-iron (carry and roll) longer than any of my woods. Does anyone have any suggestions to help get my woods going again? I’m desperate. Just a shot in the dark, but maybe your grip is too strong, and you are delofting your clubs too much. How well are you hitting your 3 iron? My what? 3-iron? Hmm…. oh yeah – that club I leave in the living room. The longest iron I hit regularly is the 5, which is – and always has been – inconsistent. When I’m in a groove hitting the ball I get about 180 carry out of it, and in the aforementioned range session I hit it a few times about that well. My short irons are great, my middle irons are okay, my long irons are at home, and my woods are pure crap. I’ll try using a weaker grip – I do use a pretty strong grip. Chris — Chris Fairchild http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/pepine/ Go O’s!!!! Before you buy.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Lately I’ve been in a horrible slump. Shooting in the mid to high 80s when I’m accustomed to breaking 80 more often than not. The main problem seems to be getting off the tee. I cannot hit any of my woods to save my life. But I’m killing my irons, getting better distance and about the same accuracy than I ever have. These are the same woods I’ve been playing most of the summer (Big Bertha 3+, 4, 7). I hit them all about 150 yards carry, and get 30 – 50 yards roll. For reference, I get 150 yards carry with a well struck 8 iron. At the range today, I was hitting my 7-iron (carry and roll) longer than any of my woods. Does anyone have any suggestions to help get my woods going again? I’m desperate. Just a shot in the dark, but maybe your grip is too strong, and you are delofting your clubs too much. How well are you hitting your 3 iron?
My what? 3-iron? Hmm…. oh yeah – that club I leave in the living room. The longest iron I hit regularly is the 5, which is – and always has been – inconsistent. When I’m in a groove hitting the ball I get about 180 carry out of it, and in the aforementioned range session I hit it a few times about that well. My short irons are great, my middle irons are okay, my long irons are at home, and my woods are pure crap. I’ll try using a weaker grip – I do use a pretty strong grip. Chris — Chris Fairchild http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/pepine/ Go O’s!!!! Before you buy.
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Words are less than adequate sometimes (usually…). My whole point was, if the impact velocity of the clubhead is the same for an on-center hit in one case and an off-center hit in the other, and since momentum going in equals momentum going out, the only thing that changed was "m" in the formula mv = mv. The distance of the shot is greatly related to the integrity of impact ("perfect impact"). Hence back to the analogy of the tack hammer vs. the sledge hammer driving a nail– the heavier sledge has more oomph. Which gets back to the point originally made in this string: SUPPORT (whether it is mass or applied force on the shaft…) DURING THE IMPACT INTERVAL IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE AMOUNT OF DECELERATION OF THE CLUBHEAD DUE TO ITS IMPACT WITH THE BALL. Ball velocity leaving the clubface is added to the velocity of the clubface itself to arrive at ball velocity relative to the ground/air. Since the ball leaves the clubface in either instance with approximately the same efficiency (66%, 75?, I don’t know the exact numbers and COR’s for any particular balls and impact velocities–testers know this stuff routinely), then obviously the difference in velocity of the ball in the air is due to the separation velocity of the clubhead. In other words, in a mishit shot the club "GOT SLOWED DOWN BY THE BALL" more than by a well hit shot. Any problem with this logic? George
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I didn’t originate that phrase, effective mass, Joe. Got it from physics (college minor, Ivy League school). The mass of the clubhead on a scale is x ounces. But the ball feels less than that if impact is not on the center of gravity. Okay, but I think you might be slightly abusing the word in this context. Effective mass is typically used to describe the amount of mass involved in dynamic events. But your description of momentum is basically for perfectly elastic impacts, and presumes that all the mass is effective. What you are really apparently doing is equating effective mass with "apparent" mass. Apparent mass is merely a way of describing inefficiency in mass terms. An off center hit is an inefficienct impact which could "apparently" result in less momentum transfer than "mv" would indicate. Apparent mass would be the ammount of mass that would combine with the actual velocity to result in the actual momentum transfer. I guess effective mass might end up being part of that mass reduction in some bad hits. It would depend upon the frequencies of the ball/club/impact. Anyway, regardless of the words used to describe the reality, the reality is that impact off center propels the ball with less separation velocity than a perfect impact golf shot. And since the two swings being compared had the same swingspeed at impact, how do you explain the reality of the difference [snip] Well, you could express it all in terms of energy transfer instead of momentum transfer. This would allow you to account for poor coefficients of restitution. Energy is lost in all sorts of manners from poor hits. You loose energy in heat from elastic deformation of the ball, club, and shaft. You actually lose energy from the sound the impact makes. There is friction between the ball and club face. Any nonelastic (i.e. permanent deformations) will rob energy. Off center hits cause the shaft to deform differently. It causes torques in the head and shaft which require rotational accelerations of the head and torsional strain energies in the shaft that will be different than hits on the "sweetspots". And none of this analysis would require you to mention effective mass. Of course, you could point out that energy itself has mass and since you are transfering energy from the club to the ball, you increase the mass of the ball, and decrease the mass of the club. But since it is by the ratio of m=E/c^2 don’t expect anyone to measure it. Before you buy.
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I didn’t originate that phrase, effective mass, Joe. Got it from physics (college minor, Ivy League school). The mass of the clubhead on a scale is x ounces. But the ball feels less than that if impact is not on the center of gravity.
Okay, but I think you might be slightly abusing the word in this context. Effective mass is typically used to describe the amount of mass involved in dynamic events. But your description of momentum is basically for perfectly elastic impacts, and presumes that all the mass is effective. What you are really apparently doing is equating effective mass with "apparent" mass. Apparent mass is merely a way of describing inefficiency in mass terms. An off center hit is an inefficienct impact which could "apparently" result in less momentum transfer than "mv" would indicate. Apparent mass would be the ammount of mass that would combine with the actual velocity to result in the actual momentum transfer. I guess effective mass might end up being part of that mass reduction in some bad hits. It would depend upon the frequencies of the ball/club/impact. Anyway, regardless of the words used to describe the reality, the reality is that impact off center propels the ball with less separation velocity than a perfect impact golf shot. And since the two swings being compared had the same swingspeed at impact, how do you explain the reality of the difference
[snip] Well, you could express it all in terms of energy transfer instead of momentum transfer. This would allow you to account for poor coefficients of restitution. Energy is lost in all sorts of manners from poor hits. You loose energy in heat from elastic deformation of the ball, club, and shaft. You actually lose energy from the sound the impact makes. There is friction between the ball and club face. Any nonelastic (i.e. permanent deformations) will rob energy. Off center hits cause the shaft to deform differently. It causes torques in the head and shaft which require rotational accelerations of the head and torsional strain energies in the shaft that will be different than hits on the "sweetspots". And none of this analysis would require you to mention effective mass. Of course, you could point out that energy itself has mass and since you are transfering energy from the club to the ball, you increase the mass of the ball, and decrease the mass of the club. But since it is by the ratio of m=E/c^2 don’t expect anyone to measure it. Before you buy.
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David, it looks like a lot of what I say goes over your head,
If it goes over my head why am I able to expand on it? or you bring to it an expectation that I’m saying "a" when I am actually saying "b".
Perhaps it’s because you’re saying both A and B. Tell me why Zoeller places the ball 5 " closer to his feet than where he sets his club.
Because it’s an individual thing for him. Tell me why most of the pros don’t do it. Tell me that John Daly is lying with what he writes on pg. 23 of his book.
I’m not going to call him a liar, he’s just mistakenly wrong and most of the pro’s don’t do it. Tell me that when you place your driver on the ground behind the ball at address position, and the ball is on a tee, that there is not a DIFFERENCE between the distance of your left shoulder to the ball than its distance to the center of the clubface. (One inch is enough difference to be pretty critical – how much forgiveness do you get with a 1" miss on YOUR driver…?)
I didn’t say there wasn’t a difference. A) You’re telling people to extend the left arm (Inkster???? and even you said you did it) to measure the distance between the left shoulder and ball for perfect impact. B) You’re telling them to address an imaginary ball outside the real one for perfect impact because of some flawed misconception you have about the down swing path. B contradicts A, so which one is Why do you continue to throw Kelley obfuscation into everyday English?
Why do I do it??????? You’re the one trying to mimic his writing style and rhetoric. Do you know what "obfuscation" means or did you just throw it out to sound intelligent? Can you tell me that if you stand with your shoulders parallel to a wall in front of you so that the fingertips of your left hand just barely touch the wall, and then you rotate your upper body to the left while your head remains exactly in the same place, that that action will not pull your fingertips away from the wall?
And if I did the same thing with my right hand the fingers would be pushed into the wall so we have a net gain or loss of 0. Your example show us what happens after impact, not the downswing, and it demonstrates linear motion not angular. In other words, are your fingertips the same distance from the wall when you are parallel to it than when you stand there without moving your head while you rotate your upper body to the left? Or are you able to make your arm get longer while your left shoulder turns away, allowing you to keep your fingertips touching the wall…?
What about your right hand, isn’t it holding the club too? Are you trying to tell us as the right arm straightens in the down swing and through impact that it gets shorter as your right shoulder gets closer? Do you pretend that the only way to swing back closer to you than where the ball is sitting is with an outside-in swing path?
No, you can do it if you have a hacker swing, but hitting the ball on the toe is caused by swinging outside-in because that is the only path that swings the club closer to your toes. Everything else is swinging it parallel too or away from the toe line. What if I placed a ball 2" further from the path of the Iron Byron than where the club travels when it swings. Your logic is that it is because IB is swinging outside-in.
Of course Mr. Hibbard, if you place the ball 2" outside of Iron Byron’s FIXED swing path he’s going to hit it on the toe. You really have a knack for pointing out the obvious. David, what’s wrong with your ability to see this very simple reality?
With your example above I think you’re the one without the ability to see simple reality. What are you missing?
Hopefully a lot of your bullshit.
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Joe: the EFFECTIVE mass of an off center hit IS less. That is the reason that something off the sweetspot leaves the clubface so slowly in comparison.
Don’t you mean "center of mass"? Seems that "center of mass" leap to "sweetspot" you accused me of wasn’t so big after all, huh Mr. Hibbard? What size shoe does your mouth take?
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"Less efficient." It’s not true that the mass has changed. However it is true that an offcenter collision is less efficient at transferring forward momentum to the ball. -joseph – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I didn’t originate that phrase, effective mass, Joe. Got it from physics (college minor, Ivy League school). The mass of the clubhead on a scale is x ounces. But the ball feels less than that if impact is not on the center of gravity. Anyway, regardless of the words used to describe the reality, the reality is that impact off center propels the ball with less separation velocity than a perfect impact golf shot. And since the two swings being compared had the same swingspeed at impact, how do you explain the reality of the difference
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I didn’t originate that phrase, effective mass, Joe. Got it from physics (college minor, Ivy League school). The mass of the clubhead on a scale is x ounces. But the ball feels less than that if impact is not on the center of gravity. Anyway, regardless of the words used to describe the reality, the reality is that impact off center propels the ball with less separation velocity than a perfect impact golf shot. And since the two swings being compared had the same swingspeed at impact, how do you explain the reality of the difference George – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think it’s a bit of a perversion to use terms like "effective mass." Or, well, relatively speaking, maybe it’s not. To say that the effective mass of a clubhead is reduced in an offcenter impact is correct … in the sense that a fairytale with a sensible moral is true. -joseph message Uhm. That ‘m’ to which you refer is ‘mass,’ which is not something you normally see change from one swing to the next. :-) Joe: the EFFECTIVE mass of an off center hit IS less. That is the reason that something off the sweetspot leaves the clubface so slowly in comparison.
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I think it’s a bit of a perversion to use terms like "effective mass." Or, well, relatively speaking, maybe it’s not. To say that the effective mass of a clubhead is reduced in an offcenter impact is correct … in the sense that a fairytale with a sensible moral is true. -joseph – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Uhm. That ‘m’ to which you refer is ‘mass,’ which is not something you normally see change from one swing to the next. :-) Joe: the EFFECTIVE mass of an off center hit IS less. That is the reason that something off the sweetspot leaves the clubface so slowly in comparison.
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mv before collision = mv after collision, so if the v is greater with the driver on well hit shots, the m is less than its optimum, obviously, on these bad ones. Uhm. That ‘m’ to which you refer is ‘mass,’ which is not something you normally see change from one swing to the next. :-)
Joe: the EFFECTIVE mass of an off center hit IS less. That is the reason that something off the sweetspot leaves the clubface so slowly in comparison. Boy, I do get convoluted — my wife wasn’t here to tame me. Hey, I don’t remember my English teacher’s name either — and I’m sure she is rolling her eyes… George
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mv before collision = mv after collision, so if the v is greater with the driver on well hit shots, the m is less than its optimum, obviously, on these bad ones.
Uhm. That ‘m’ to which you refer is ‘mass,’ which is not something you normally see change from one swing to the next. :-) Momentum alone ("mv") isn’t enough to characterize an collision. You also have to know the coefficient of restitution and the angles at which the bodies are colliding. In a perfectly elastic collision, both momentum and energy are conserved. In any other situation, some energy is lost after impact (as heat). Momentum is always conserved, but that fact alone doesn’t tell you what the state of the system after impact will be. In fact, many physically impossible outcomes conserve momentum–for example, a collision between two bodies of equal weight where they approach one another at one speed and depart at a faster speed! Momentum is conserved because the vectors cancel out, but this particular example is physically impossible because it requires a CR greater than 1 (thus the impact "creates" energy). In other words, it won’t work without flubber. -joseph
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Lately I’ve been in a horrible slump. Shooting in the mid to high 80s when I’m accustomed to breaking 80 more often than not. The main problem seems to be getting off the tee. I cannot hit any of my woods to save my life. But I’m killing my irons, getting better distance and about the same accuracy than I ever have. These are the same woods I’ve been playing most of the summer (Big Bertha 3+, 4, 7). I hit them all about 150 yards carry, and get 30 – 50 yards roll. For reference, I get 150 yards carry with a well struck 8 iron. At the range today, I was hitting my 7-iron (carry and roll) longer than any of my woods. Does anyone have any suggestions to help get my woods going again? I’m desperate.
Just a shot in the dark, but maybe your grip is too strong, and you are delofting your clubs too much. How well are you hitting your 3 iron? Before you buy.
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Reply to David’s comments herebelow and about other stuff: David, it looks like a lot of what I say goes over your head, or you bring to it an expectation that I’m saying "a" when I am actually saying "b". Tell me why Zoeller places the ball 5 " closer to his feet than where he sets his club. Tell me that John Daly is lying with what he writes on pg. 23 of his book. Tell me that when you place your driver on the ground behind the ball at address position, and the ball is on a tee, that there is not a DIFFERENCE between the distance of your left shoulder to the ball than its distance to the center of the clubface. (One inch is enough difference to be pretty critical – how much forgiveness do you get with a 1" miss on YOUR driver…?) Why do you continue to throw Kelley obfuscation into everyday English? Can you tell me that if you stand with your shoulders parallel to a wall in front of you so that the fingertips of your left hand just barely touch the wall, and then you rotate your upper body to the left while your head remains exactly in the same place, that that action will not pull your fingertips away from the wall? In other words, are your fingertips the same distance from the wall when you are parallel to it than when you stand there without moving your head while you rotate your upper body to the left? Or are you able to make your arm get longer while your left shoulder turns away, allowing you to keep your fingertips touching the wall…? Do you pretend that the only way to swing back closer to you than where the ball is sitting is with an outside-in swing path? What if I placed a ball 2" further from the path of the Iron Byron than where the club travels when it swings. Your logic is that it is because IB is swinging outside-in. David, what’s wrong with your ability to see this very simple reality? What are you missing? George
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Answer to below: Chris, for a full driver impacting a ball producing the distance of an 8 iron, there is only ONE explanation. You are NOT striking the ball with perfect impact –i.e., you are hitting off center where the effective mass of the club is a LOT less than its full weight. mv before collision = mv after collision, so if the v is greater with the driver on well hit shots, the m is less than its optimum, obviously, on these bad ones. What Mr. Kelley is trying to say is that you’re not hitting the ball on the sweet spot. Most mishits with drivers are on the toe. Most of these are for the reason that the natural turnaway of the left shoulder due to the mechanics of the forward swing means that during the downswing the club passes "closer to your feet" than where your extended left arm placed your clubhead at setup. The left shoulder has nothing to do with it and club being closer to your feet in the downswing is pure bunk. If the player is hitting it on the toe it’s probably because he’s swinging with an outside-in path. If you have access to John Daly’s book "Grip It And Rip It", read page 23. He does it, DL III does it, Fuzzy does it, and tons of players do it. It’s something that occurs naturally for many simply because a teed ball is closer to your left shoulder than the ground under it… In other words, the tee automatically puts the ball closer to your left shoulder than where a clubhead sits on the ground beside it. But if they use your left shoulder to ball measuring system you’ve been advocating why are you telling them to address an imaginary ball outside the real one for sweet spot impact? You don’t even trust your own advice? (DAVID — YOU GOT IT BACKWARDS. THE REAL BALL YOU ARE ABOUT
TO HIT IS TO BE PLACED CLOSER TO YOUR FEET THAN WHERE YOU NORMALLY ADDRESS THE BALL. THE IMAGINARY BALL IS WHERE YOU U S E D TO PLACE THE ONE YOU ARE ABOUT TO HIT. THE ONE YOU WILL HIT IS CLOSER TO YOU. SO THAT THE LEFT SHOULDER TURNAWAY’S REROUTING OF THE CLUB CLOSER TO YOUR FEET HITS THE BALL YOU WANT TO HIT, NOT THE IMAGINARY ONE YOU "ADDRESSED")
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Answer to below: Chris, for a full driver impacting a ball producing the distance of an 8 iron, there is only ONE explanation. You are NOT striking the ball with perfect impact –i.e., you are hitting off center where the effective mass of the club is a LOT less than its full weight. mv before collision = mv after collision, so if the v is greater with the driver on well hit shots, the m is less than its optimum, obviously, on these bad ones.
What Mr. Kelley is trying to say is that you’re not hitting the ball on the sweet spot. Most mishits with drivers are on the toe. Most of these are for the reason that the natural turnaway of the left shoulder due to the mechanics of the forward swing means that during the downswing the club passes "closer to your feet" than where your extended left arm placed your clubhead at setup.
The left shoulder has nothing to do with it and club being closer to your feet in the downswing is pure bunk. If the player is hitting it on the toe it’s probably because he’s swinging with an outside-in path. If you have access to John Daly’s book "Grip It And Rip It", read page 23. He does it, DL III does it, Fuzzy does it, and tons of players do it. It’s something that occurs naturally for many simply because a teed ball is closer to your left shoulder than the ground under it… In other words, the tee automatically puts the ball closer to your left shoulder than where a clubhead sits on the ground beside it.
But if they use your left shoulder to ball measuring system you’ve been advocating why are you telling them to address an imaginary ball outside the real one for sweet spot impact? You don’t even trust your own advice?
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I think it’s time to see a pro…could be any number of problems. But here are a couple of quick tips: * Ball position! * Hit "up" and through drives, tee shots. * full extension/shoulder turn. You could be punching your irons, but woods may be suffering as a result. * Try to NOT KILL your woods. Get back to a feeling of smooth swings. Let the club do the work, just put it back through the ball. *** see a pro *** Ron – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Lately I’ve been in a horrible slump. Shooting in the mid to high 80s when I’m accustomed to breaking 80 more often than not. The main problem seems to be getting off the tee. I cannot hit any of my woods to save my life. But I’m killing my irons, getting better distance and about the same accuracy than I ever have. These are the same woods I’ve been playing most of the summer (Big Bertha 3+, 4, 7). I hit them all about 150 yards carry, and get 30 – 50 yards roll. For reference, I get 150 yards carry with a well struck 8 iron. At the range today, I was hitting my 7-iron (carry and roll) longer than any of my woods. Does anyone have any suggestions to help get my woods going again? I’m desperate. — Chris Fairchild http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/pepine/ Go O’s!!!! Before you buy.
Before you buy.
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Lately I’ve been in a horrible slump. Shooting in the mid to high 80s when I’m accustomed to breaking 80 more often than not. The main problem seems to be getting off the tee. I cannot hit any of my woods to save my life. But I’m killing my irons, getting better distance and about the same accuracy than I ever have. These are the same woods I’ve been playing most of the summer (Big Bertha 3+, 4, 7). I hit them all about 150 yards carry, and get 30 – 50 yards roll. For reference, I get 150 yards carry with a well struck 8 iron. At the range today, I was hitting my 7-iron (carry and roll) longer than any of my woods. Does anyone have any suggestions to help get my woods going again? I’m desperate. — Chris Fairchild http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/pepine/ Go O’s!!!! Before you buy.
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Answer to below: Chris, for a full driver impacting a ball producing the distance of an 8 iron, there is only ONE explanation. You are NOT striking the ball with perfect impact –i.e., you are hitting off center where the effective mass of the club is a LOT less than its full weight. mv before collision = mv after collision, so if the v is greater with the driver on well hit shots, the m is less than its optimum, obviously, on these bad ones. Most mishits with drivers are on the toe. Most of these are for the reason that the natural turnaway of the left shoulder due to the mechanics of the forward swing means that during the downswing the club passes "closer to your feet" than where your extended left arm placed your clubhead at setup. Try the following protocol the next time you practice: Set yourself up to an imaginary ball, with your usual setup for a drive. But instead of teeing the ball there, put your teed ball 1 1/2" closer to your feet than where the imaginary ball is located. Then swing away. (Fuzzy Zoeller’s measurement is closer to 5 inches than 1 1/2.) I will be very surprised if this is not the reason for your problem. If you have access to John Daly’s book "Grip It And Rip It", read page 23. He does it, DL III does it, Fuzzy does it, and tons of players do it. It’s something that occurs naturally for many simply because a teed ball is closer to your left shoulder than the ground under it… In other words, the tee automatically puts the ball closer to your left shoulder than where a clubhead sits on the ground beside it. George
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Lately I’ve been in a horrible slump. Shooting in the mid to high 80s when I’m accustomed to breaking 80 more often than not. The main problem seems to be getting off the tee. I cannot hit any of my woods to save my life. But I’m killing my irons, getting better distance and about the same accuracy than I ever have. These are the same woods I’ve been playing most of the summer (Big Bertha 3+, 4, 7). I hit them all about 150 yards carry, and get 30 – 50 yards roll. For reference, I get 150 yards carry with a well struck 8 iron. At the range today, I was hitting my 7-iron (carry and roll) longer than any of my woods. Does anyone have any suggestions to help get my woods going again? I’m desperate. — Chris Fairchild http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/pepine/ Go O’s!!!! Before you buy.